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NBC reveals details of final year of Premier League coverage

The 2021-22 Premier League season kicks off this weekend across the networks of NBCUniversal and Peacock, beginning this Friday, August 13 with newly promoted Brentford hosting Arsenal at 3 p.m. ET on NBCSN and Universo. Coverage begins at 1 p.m. ET on NBCSN with a special two-hour, season-opening edition of Premier League Live.

NBC Sports’ match commentary team of Arlo White, Lee Dixon and Graeme Le Saux call an opening-weekend tripleheader, beginning with Friday’s match from Brentford Community Stadium.

Highlighting the opening Saturday, August 14, Mohamed Salah and Liverpool visit newly-promoted Norwich City at 12:30 p.m. ET on NBC, Peacock and Universo. White, Dixon and Le Saux will call the match.

On Sunday, defending champions Manchester City headline the action as they visit Tottenham and new head coach Nuno Espirito Santo at 11:30 a.m. ET on NBCSN and Telemundo. White, Dixon and Le Saux will call the action live from Tottenham Hotspur Stadium.

NBC Sports’ Rebecca Lowe hosts this weekend’s Premier League Mornings, Premier League Live and Goal Zone shows alongside former Jamaica National Team player Robbie Earle and former Premier League footballer Robbie Mustoe. They will be joined for Friday’s Brentford-Arsenal and Sunday’s Tottenham-Manchester City matches by White, Dixon and Le Saux who will provide pre- and post-match coverage from a special pitch-side desk.

Saturday’s coverage begins at 7 a.m. ET with Premier League Mornings on NBCSN, followed by Manchester United, who finished second in the Premier League last season, hosting Leeds United at 7:30 a.m. ET on NBCSN and Universo. Five matches will be presented at 10 a.m. ET: Leicester City v. Wolverhampton Wanderers (NBCSN, Universo), Everton v. Southampton (USA Network), Burnley v. Brighton & Hove Albion (Peacock), Christian Pulisic and Chelsea v. Crystal Palace (Peacock), and Watford v. Aston Villa (Peacock).

Following Saturday’s Norwich City-Liverpool match at 12:30 p.m. ET (NBC, Peacock and Universo) is Goal Zone at 2:30 p.m. ET on NBC and Peacock.

Sunday’s coverage begins with Premier League Mornings at 7 a.m. ET on NBCSN, followed by West Ham visiting Newcastle at 9 a.m. ET on NBCSN and Tottenham-Manchester City at 11:30 a.m. ET on NBCSN and Telemundo. Opening weekend coverage concludes with Goal Zone at 1:30 p.m. ET on NBCSN.

This season, Peacock will stream all games airing on the NBC broadcast network live. In addition, Peacock will feature studio shows, full match replays and the Premier League TV channel. All matchdays and windows exclusively on Peacock will feature NBC Sports’ Premier League studio coverage.

LIVE STREAMING

Premier League coverage will be available on Peacock Premium. Peacock is currently available across devices. Peacock Premium is included at no additional cost for Comcast’s eligible Xfinity X1 and Flex customers and Cox Contour customers.

Premier League games on NBC and NBCSN will be streamed on NBCSports.com and the NBC Sports app — NBC Sports Group’s live streaming product for desktops, mobile devices, tablets, and connected TVs. Coverage will be streamed via “TV Everywhere,” giving consumers additional value for their subscription service, and making high quality content available to MVPD customers both in and out of the home and on multiple platforms. The NBC Sports app is available on the iTunes App Store, Google Play, Roku Channel Store, Apple TV and Amazon Fire.

 

Premier League TV schedule

All times Eastern.

 

Saturday, October 1

07:30 am EDT
Arsenal vs. Tottenham Hotspur
USA Network, fubo TV, Sling Blue, DirecTV Stream
10:00 am EDT
Liverpool vs. Brighton & Hove Albion
Peacock Premium
10:00 am EDT
Fulham vs. Newcastle United
Peacock Premium
10:00 am EDT
Southampton vs. Everton
Peacock Premium
10:00 am EDT
Crystal Palace vs. Chelsea
USA Network, fubo TV, Sling Blue, DirecTV Stream
10:00 am EDT
AFC Bournemouth vs. Brentford
Peacock Premium
12:30 pm EDT
West Ham United vs. Wolverhampton Wanderers
USA Network, fubo TV, Sling Blue, DirecTV Stream

Sunday, October 2

09:00 am EDT
Manchester City vs. Manchester United
Peacock Premium
11:30 am EDT
Leeds United vs. Aston Villa
USA Network, fubo TV, Sling Blue, DirecTV Stream

Monday, October 3

03:00 pm EDT
Leicester City vs. Nottingham Forest
USA Network, fubo TV, Sling Blue, DirecTV Stream

Saturday, October 8

10:00 am EDT
Newcastle United vs. Brentford
Peacock Premium
10:00 am EDT
AFC Bournemouth vs. Leicester City
Peacock Premium
10:00 am EDT
Manchester City vs. Southampton
Peacock Premium
10:00 am EDT
Chelsea vs. Wolverhampton Wanderers
USA Network, fubo TV, Sling Blue, DirecTV Stream
12:30 pm EDT
Brighton & Hove Albion vs. Tottenham Hotspur
NBC, Peacock Premium, fubo TV, Sling Blue, DirecTV Stream

Sunday, October 9

09:00 am EDT
West Ham United vs. Fulham
Peacock Premium
09:00 am EDT
Crystal Palace vs. Leeds United
USA Network, fubo TV, Sling Blue, DirecTV Stream
11:30 am EDT
Arsenal vs. Liverpool
USA Network, fubo TV, Sling Blue, DirecTV Stream
02:00 pm EDT
Everton vs. Manchester United
USA Network, fubo TV, Sling Blue, DirecTV Stream

Monday, October 10

03:00 pm EDT
Nottingham Forest vs. Aston Villa
USA Network, fubo TV, Sling Blue, DirecTV Stream

Friday, October 14

03:00 pm EDT
Brentford vs. Brighton & Hove Albion
USA Network, fubo TV, DirecTV Stream, Sling Blue

Saturday, October 15

07:30 am EDT
Leicester City vs. Crystal Palace
USA Network, Universo, fubo TV, DirecTV Stream, Sling Blue
10:00 am EDT
Wolverhampton Wanderers vs. Nottingham Forest
USA Network, Universo, fubo TV, DirecTV Stream, Sling Blue, Universo
10:00 am EDT
Fulham vs. AFC Bournemouth
Peacock Premium
12:30 pm EDT
Tottenham Hotspur vs. Everton
NBC, fubo TV, DirecTV Stream, Sling Blue, Peacock Premium, Universo

Sunday, October 16

09:00 am EDT
Manchester United vs. Newcastle United
USA Network, Telemundo, fubo TV, DirecTV Stream, Sling Blue
09:00 am EDT
Leeds United vs. Arsenal
Peacock Premium
09:00 am EDT
Aston Villa vs. Chelsea
Peacock Premium
09:00 am EDT
Southampton vs. West Ham United
Peacock Premium
11:30 am EDT
Liverpool vs. Manchester City
USA Network, Telemundo, fubo TV, DirecTV Stream, Sling Blue

 

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142 Comments

142 Comments

  1. Ra

    August 20, 2021 at 8:19 pm

    @Hans. Great insights on the economics side and many thanks for the link. I wish I knew it before the Olympics. A real NBC killer. It seems to be easier to find EPL games there than on NBC’s schedule.
    This is my plan C now. Plan A = 100% Bundesliga. Plan B (for a couple of games in the season)= go to a pub or sports bar and watch it there. Plan C = Reddit. Plan D = just kidding, there is no plan D. I do not subscribe to cable to watch a league on moral grounds.
    Yes, fps is indeed tricky. The reason is that the electrical grid in Europe is 50Hz and here is 60Hz. The whole equipment operates at 60 cycles per second.

    @ Michael F @Mercator I also agree that NBC’s coverage is ok, but not worth a cable subscription. Give me the world feed instead for $10, as I am not willing to pay more for a dog and pony show at the start of the game that I always skip anyway. I would even get it for $5/mo with no narration at all.

  2. Hans

    August 20, 2021 at 7:50 pm

    Just another take on what to expect from Comcast’s bid for the EPL rights.
    As background to this in September 2018 Comcast Corp. dropped its bid for 21st Century Fox’s entertainment assets amid mounting odds, clearing the way for rival Walt Disney Co. to acquire key pieces of Rupert Murdoch’s media empire for $71.3 billion. This was a huge loss for Comcast. However, they did acquire the European pay-television giant Sky PLC for $39 Billion.
    I believe this turned out not to be too smart of a move. At the time cord cutting was not a problem in Europe yet nor was a pandemic on the horizon, however investors didn’t like the deal and the stock tanked 7%.
    To finance this deal Comcast needed to offer a corporate bond sale and it was one of the largest in history. The Comcast bond yields 1.75% above that of the treasuries interest rate in the given year.
    Many questioned if this was a smart deal as it could possibly be a financial ball and chain that investors and share holders did not like.
    Moving forward to 2021. Sky, the European pay-television giant, posted a 10.6 per cent increase in revenue to $5 billion for the first quarter of the year despite the ongoing challenges posed by the global coronavirus pandemic. However, overall profits dropped by almost 40 per cent due to higher sports programming costs.
    In the UK, Sky last year agreed a deal with English soccer’s Premier League to defer a rebate of more than $236.5 million until the 2021-22 season. Comcast posted a 2.2 per cent revenue increase which it attributed to the rise of higher demand for its broadband services during the pandemic as its internet business grew, largely fueled by a growth in remote working and streaming demand.
    Don’t know if this will figure into their bidding but it looks like investing into the EPL is not the guaranteed profit making machine that it was at one time. Should this pandemic continue for some time and should another banning of fans or dropping of games happen that will all eat into the profits. I think all those who are bidding will weigh their options.

  3. Hans

    August 20, 2021 at 6:59 pm

    @Mercator
    The fps thingy can be a PITA. For my Home Theater room I run a HTPC with madVR software that will send he correct frame rate to my Projector who can do 23.976/25/29.976/50/59.962 having lived in Europe I quickly realized I needed the multi frame rate display. For PCs it is no problem as madVR a DirectShow video renderer takes care of this. Your US bought TVs this may be a problem because vendors may only offer the 60Hz refresh rate. This always baffled me as the European models always offered multi frame rates.
    You are correct with a VPN you get access to the various players of the UK networks.

  4. Michael F

    August 20, 2021 at 6:57 pm

    @Mercator. You raise some good objective points in your last reply and it’s good you recognize that NBC’s production coverage of the league is good. I don’t know or have all the answers to your questions about NBC. They set a model and have been keeping it. They’ve also done some tinkering around with how their air matches on Peacock and when their cable network matches will air on Peacock etc. I get the frustration some have with that inconsistency. I don’t share your strong criticism with how the Peacock app or stream quality is. Sure it’s not ESPN quality, but neither is Paramount+ with video quality. In fact, my experience – Peacock is superior with regards the latter. Peacock also has a ton of EPL show content throughout the week on-demand and on their EPL live channel that fans of the EPL can really embrace. Just pointing out the pluses with the minuses. I don’t find the Peacock app too much an issue at all. But that’s me. Maybe I am not as hard core like with multi-screen viewing and as I have mentioned, I rarely can watch matches live, so what is aired on Peacock live is already available for me on-demand with pause, rewind etc as I watch.

  5. Hans

    August 20, 2021 at 6:42 pm

    @Ra
    I do separate my viewing according to what matches are on. The UK sports providers are very expensive but I do like very much BBC’s Match Of The Day (MOTD) and MOTD2 for Sundays. Gary Lineker is excellent and his co hosts are superb. On the first MOTD of this season he had Alan Shearer and Ian Wright on as pundits. The full 90 minute show is available for download less then 30 minutes after it ended. Search on old (dot) reddit (dot) com /r/ for footballhighlights/ and you will find the MOTDs postings and in my opinion the best highlights and analysis.
    I do like ESPN-FC for different analysis as well as watching a few games from the Bundesliga & Serie A live.or on demand on my streaming services. For EPL games I either use Peacock or if only on cable than a P2P tracker that has 20 different channels of sports programs and if I can’t find it there then Google is my friend to find the links for live coverage.
    The only way that I know on getting BBC live is through IPTV but you need invitations to those sites that are not easy to get. Another way is to search the Discord server for it.
    Hope this helps in you finding the BBC programs you want. The Geo blocking is another problem that requires VPNs to get what you want. On the bright side the momentum is with us.

  6. Mercator

    August 20, 2021 at 6:22 pm

    @Michael F – A bare majority of households have cable, down from 75% a few years ago. Among people under 50, a majority do not have cable in their house. Keep in mind all these numbers include Youtube TV, Sling, etc. So how can NBC really say it is doing a good job of promoting the league, when half the games are not available to a majority of consumers under 50? How can NBC say it’s doing a good job with the league, when its asking customers to pay an extra $35-40 dollars for cable, the majority of which won’t even go to NBC or the EPL! The Peacock app doesn’t work properly, it has no compelling features like multiview. They are alienating their biggest group of fans with this sort of stuff. Maybe you don’t expect these games available to stream for a reasonable price, but every football fan under 30 does for sure. NBC does not accommodate that market at all, and if they don’t it’s going to be like the NBA where a lot of people tuned out and a lot pirate because of Sinclair’s nonsense. In terms of production I actually think NBC does a great job. It was a bit off last year but its still very solid, and very strong start on opening week. That’s not the issue, the issue is the accessibility and affordability of the game to under 50 fans, the majority of who do not have cable. It’s more fun when everyone can be involved, which is hard when you say pay $50 a month to watch a few games. I can afford that, I pay it anyway although I split the fee and login 3 ways. But I want my friends to be able to enjoy it as well (except the Chelsea fans they can ask Roman to pay for their cable).

    @Ra – The EPL is pay just about everywhere. Although places like Canada and India its cheaper. The difficult part is actually paying for the subscription, need a bank account in country usually which requires and address and it all gets complex quickly to actually pay a foreign broadcaster. I think DAZN has PayPal now though and its better to use a North American broadcaster. This is an issue with the IPTV as well, the frame rate in Europe is different and I find it noticeable when watching sports on US TV’s. Something about 25fps/50fps instead of 30/60 because of PAL. Not an expert, but I notice the UK streams are not great on US TV, whereas they look fine on a UK TV with the same stream. Same issue with other English broadcasters like Astro or Star. As a result, I tend to prefer the NBC stream which looks best on my main US TV, Sky I usually watch on the smaller TV from England or for the punditry. Realistically, the US broadcasts are almost always the best for US viewers unless the game is on Fox or isn’t being broadcast in the US at all. I recommend ExpressVPN as well – they have a mediaviewer VPN you can use which basically gives you access to UK apps like BBC and ITV without actually charging your location (so all the US apps still work perfectly as if the VPN isn’t on).

  7. Ra

    August 20, 2021 at 6:06 pm

    @Hans Does BBC offer a good alternative? I was able at some point to get a lot of content just by using a proxy and connecting to OTA networks in other countries, like Globo in Brazil.

  8. Michael F

    August 20, 2021 at 5:49 pm

    @Hans. I would have been disappointed if we didn’t hear from you. 😄. Good long take with some good information. I will say that I more in the middle of younger vs older generation of viewing habits. I haven’t had a cable box in 10 years and would be happy to cross over completely to streaming only apps and have done so to a degree (yea I know, for most here.. a live tv stream service doesn’t count). But I choose to pay for what I specifically want. I am a huge fan of the EPL and the carrier that has it is NBC. I do think they do a great job covering this league, but to each it’s own. That said, wherever the EPL goes for next contract, I will no doubt follow.

  9. Leo

    August 20, 2021 at 5:29 pm

    Italian football fan needs to pay $5/mo. Serie A (Paramount+), Coppa Italia (Paramount+), CL/EL (Paramount+).
    Spanish football fan needs to pay $12/mo. LaLiga (ESPN+), Copa del Rey (ESPN+), CL/EL.
    French football fan needs to pay $13/mo. Ligue 1 (Fanatiz), French Cup (Fanatiz), CL/EL.
    German football fan needs to pay $47/mo. Bundesliga (ESPN+), DFB-Pokal (Sling Orange), CL/EL.
    English football fan needs to pay $52/mo. Premier League (Sling Blue + Peacock), FA Cup (ESPN+), Carabao Cup (ESPN+), CL/EL.

  10. Hans

    August 20, 2021 at 5:05 pm

    @Ra
    ExpressVPN has a page dedicated for connecting from the US to Canadian DAZN. The same for my Rugby fixes with Australian Stan Sport. What you basically need is a VPN, if needed a fictitious address and Paypal to pay for it. job done. DAZN excepts PayPal for payment.

  11. Hans

    August 20, 2021 at 5:00 pm

    @ Michael F. & Yespage you knew I would be wading into this heated conversation 😆
    1. This is not a fight between Cable & Streaming users, it is a fight between an older generation and a younger generation that does things in a different way, demanding over the Internet Access.
    2. It is also a matter of convenience having ALL your sporting events in one place, one delivery method available on ALL your devices. ONLY streaming offers that. The IPTV providers got this one tuned to perfection. $8 per months for all the soccer sporting events from the vast majority of the leagues in one place with easy navigation and multiple screens.
    3. The EPL is VERY concerned about piracy and they also know when you have gotten used to the easy and convenience of IPTV it will be very hard to convince users to change and abandon what they like. Just ask the Cable customers if they would like to change?
    4. Piracy, Comcast are crooks and set the bar for piracy. During a pandemic when people are being in lock down mode, they wanted to enforce metered Internet Access. They did the bait and switch with Peacock customers, they were begging for people to treat them like they treat their customers, shabbily like chumps and anybody can take their moral high ground and stick it where the sun doesn’t shine when it comes to Comcast. They set the example.
    5. Pricing. ESPN+ I renewed for $50 per year next renewal will be $60. Paramount+ $60 per year next renewal for me will be $100 per year commercial free. That kind of pricing is what potential Peacock customer will compare it too, instead Comcast neutered their streaming service this season compared to last season. With the global community being connected on how to get their sports fixes, users will set an upper price limit according to their ways and means as well as how much they are willing to pay for convenience.
    6. VPNs. The EPL is very well aware of the fact that International rights are differently priced in different regions but they don’t care. Therefore it again shapes up to be a war between network provider and consumer. The Canadian provider DAZN offers for $150 per year the EPL, the UCL & UEL and Serie A. Why can they offer it at this price and Comcast can’t? Add to this $100 per year for the VPN and for $250 per year you have all the soccer in one place plus whatever other sports events they offer.
    7. Finally what do we know about the upcoming bidding for rights. Two different contracts for 3 and 6 years have been offered. Since the EPL investigated in 2018 the feasibility of their own streaming service this surely is an indication that they do care very much about this platform. They would make Billions more with their own DTC service but there are difficulties associated with this. The technical infrastructure, who will do the pay processing, who will do the marketing? What matters is the streaming platform is on their radar and they show interest in the younger generation that uses it.

  12. Michael F

    August 20, 2021 at 4:10 pm

    @Mercator. Forgive me for my last sentence about you not caring for the EPL that NBC provides, as I did admittedly misread what you said at the end of your last post.

  13. Ra

    August 20, 2021 at 4:04 pm

    @Michael F. It is not a zero-sum game. We should all demand better and cheaper. Both cord-cutters and cord-lovers could get a better deal. Something like Disney announced today:
    https://espnpressroom.com/us/press-releases/2021/08/disney-media-entertainment-distribution-and-the-national-cable-television-cooperative-reach-comprehensive-carriage-agreement/

  14. Ra

    August 20, 2021 at 4:01 pm

    A good alternative is to VPN. Have you found solid alternatives abroad? I found it for many leagues but not for the EPL.

  15. Michael F

    August 20, 2021 at 3:56 pm

    @Ra. You forget that I subscribe to a live tv stream service for more than just the EPL. I am an American born citizen that follows all American sports along with being an avid watcher of old classic films and thus I utilize this subscription heavily. Do I wish it was cheaper? Sure, I also wish my car payments were less… but like anyone else that wants to something specific and legally, they have to pay for it.

    @Mercator Your quote: “The inability of paying for a streaming option for the EPL is criminal in 2021”.
    Thank you for this incredibly over-hyped dramatic statement. In a world where more cable-like subscriptions (traditional or live tv stream) is in the a majority of households over those like you that have ‘cut the cord’ completely… This is just your very subjective opinion (which I am sure is shared by a few others). The fact of the matter is you are ticked off at a provider that refuses to do what YOU want (even tho you claim you dont care much for what it provides while you watch what other providers give you in its stream service – thats puzzling to be sure)… and thus you don’t want to pay extra for this provider you despise — and perhaps you are ticked off at everyone else who does.

  16. Mercator

    August 20, 2021 at 3:11 pm

    @Michael F – Then what are you defending? That is the only thing most of us take issue with (aside from Peacock’s technical drawbacks), and it’s clearly deliberate by NBC because this is exactly what NBC does with all its sports broadcasts. It’s what it did during the olympics, and most viewers politely told them to piss off. It’s not a contractual issue, NBC has freely moved just about any match, including big ones, on Peacock. The EPL isn’t going to stop NBC from also streaming their games if they are still on TV. I get your point, its a free country and they are free to engage in stupid and greedy business practices. I’m also free to find another way to watch the match. And yes, we all went bonkers on ESPN for not putting the Euros on ESPN+. I cancelled, and promptly signed up again because they got La Liga and actually the Disney bundle is good value for a family. People don’t mind paying, but they aren’t going to be ripped off.

    The inability to pay for a streaming option for the EPL is criminal in 2021. Even Bein sports, little as they have now, I pay my 7 bucks to Fanatiz only for the Bein sports content. Not great value, but not a complete middle finger like NBC is offering to cord cutters. No need to make excuses or look for reasons why NBC is taking this approach. It’s because they are greedy and they think consumers have no choice. They are welcome to take that stance, but I will pirate on principle then. They are lucky I’m even willing to pirate, the alternative is I don’t watch the matches, care much less if at all about EPL and stick to ESPN+ content.

  17. locofooty

    August 20, 2021 at 2:28 pm

    One thing is for sure, don’t expect the same for the next EPL cycle even if NBC keeps it. NBCSN is gone. That tells you where sports networks are heading. They’ll want to strengthen Peacock. I’m not optimistic on USA keeping the same amount of programming hours for EPL.

  18. Ra

    August 20, 2021 at 1:55 pm

    @Michael F. You guys are confusing the inequality with income. If you are worried about the smaller players, it is wiser to join their supporters’ club than to spend more at a multi-billion corporation. The cable used to be the norm, and how was that better than we have today? Streaming is actually benefiting smaller leagues and teams by giving them exposure, something that cable never provided them before.
    My tip – save the ridiculous money you are spending on cable, ask @Hans and @Mercator for some tips, and spend at your local businesses instead. Everybody will be happier.

  19. Michael F

    August 20, 2021 at 1:43 pm

    @Yespage 👍👍👍. Great post. To advertise piracy as a good thing and that all of us should do it to justify theft because one doesn’t want to pay for they think is too much for something is as ludicrous as can be. Especially when there is so much exposure of a product already (ie soccer leagues available on many platforms at a reasonable price). And… it is indeed a very selfish viewpoint and stance as @greg alluded to in a very insightful post above on the impacts it has on everyone else.

  20. Ra

    August 20, 2021 at 1:42 pm

    @Yespage. Be happy. Why does it bother you that others can do it for free? I personally applaud and would like more tips. You won’t receive a ‘Comcast Customer of the Year’ award anyway.

  21. Yespage

    August 20, 2021 at 1:31 pm

    There is a war here between cord cutters and cable/sat subscribers. Cord cutters demand that they have access to everything, like it is written in the Constitution. Champions League going to Viacom provides cord cutters a good deal, it does not provide cable/sat subscribers a good deal, as they lost programming without the bill going lower.

    NBC is following a model they’ve been doing for years and cord cutters are fuming that NBC doesn’t just change everything to suit them. It was never just available with the cut cord, so don’t blame these companies for not automatically changing things because you cut the cord when you knew this stuff wouldn’t be available!

    Justify stealing all you want, ‘it isn’t below my price point’ isn’t an ethical argument for theft.

  22. Ra

    August 20, 2021 at 1:23 pm

    @Michael F. I was indeed furious with ESPN+ over Euro. I had just a couple of days left in my billing cycle and immediately canceled it.
    But then on amazon prime day, they offered 3 free months of the bundle worth $42. I took it as an apology request and accepted it. 🙂
    I now have it for free until 9/15 and I also got hooked to the bundle. So I guess it is a win-win.

  23. Michael F

    August 20, 2021 at 1:17 pm

    @Mercator. And you might reply back stating it makes no sense that all live matches are not on Peacock so that more households can be reached.
    At the end of the day, a company can pretty much do what they want with the product they pay for in the limits of the contract they have. Just like what ESPN did with Euro 2020.

  24. Michael F

    August 20, 2021 at 1:06 pm

    @Mercator. Thank you for providing some numbers. I want to go on record that I am not making the argument that EPL is so valuable that it must be on traditional TV. You are making remarks that I’ve never stated. I only made reference that like any league that makes a contract with a provider will want to reach as many households as it can to profit from it and get exposure. EPL is currently still in a contract with NBC that was made six years ago. You and I do not know the details of that contract and how NBC is to broadcast the matches.
    It is interesting how much you praise Disney, when so many here were furious over the Euro 2020 coverage on ESPN+ when they all thought they would receive the same broadcast feed as on cable network ESPN, and instead received a split screen experience of all matches.
    What comes around goes around. And I am sure you and others will something to be displeased about any provider because it seems hard to please anyone where spending money is concerned.

  25. Ra

    August 20, 2021 at 12:51 pm

    I know for sure that I will not subscribe to cable to get EPL. I will watch Bundesliga instead. EPL would be better off if people pirated before turning to another league. At least they would keep brand awareness, engagement and ad dollars. Their biggest risk is to lose relevance with the younger crowd, many of which never have and never will have cable.
    If NBC renews, Bundesliga will be much more relevant in five years and by then I might not even care who gets EPL.

  26. Michael F

    August 20, 2021 at 12:50 pm

    @Mercator. Your point about no stream option to view all live EPL matches at any set price is valid. I’ll give you that. I certainly am not defending that. NBC has had this model of certain exclusive live matches on NBCSN etc, and the rest on their stream app all along (NBC Sports Gold and now Peacock). They have done this for years during this six year long contract with the EPL. Without knowing for sure, but have you ever given thought that it’s possible its written in the existing contract with EPL to have some live matches always exclusive on their cable network. That contract ends this year. It wouldn’t at all be shocking if that was in the existing contract still in play. All the other euro league contracts you have referenced with ESPN+ and Paramount+ are relatively new contracts with a stream only all the matches. Since we don’t know the contract details, you speculate just as much as me with regards what NBC ‘should’ do!

  27. Mercator

    August 20, 2021 at 12:46 pm

    The NBC deal is 6 years $1 billion I believe, which would put it under the $175m a year for La Liga. Not a huge gap I guess, what’s $10 million a year among friends. And of course the EPL will be higher when they get a new deal. But this argument that the EPL is SO VALUABLE it can only be put on TV, and its insane business to stream the games as well, is ludicrous. Again, ESPN is putting La Liga, which it pays more for than NBC pays for the EPL, on ESPN+. Every match. CBS puts every champions league match on Paramount+, and say what you want the Champions League is the most prestigious club competition in the world, beyond the EPL. There is zero reason NBC needs, from a viewership perspective or a financial perspective, to refuse to stream the games on Peacock. In fact, this strategy has probably tanked the service for most football fans. They would have been the runaway leader if they just put all the games on a working peacock app. But hey, if they were competent, they would be working at Disney and not NBC.

  28. Ra

    August 20, 2021 at 12:45 pm

    @Michael F. If I correctly recall the #s, the EPL went for $1.2B/5 years and LaLiga $1.4B/7 years. I believe that the next EPL deal will go for $1.8-2.2B/5 years.
    It is more expensive, but not that far off. Based on these numbers a fair value would be ~$10 for a service with all games. Why peacock does not offer all games in their $10 tier is hard to say.
    Based on all the inconsistencies in their offering, I think that they have executives with different agendas competing internally for the rights and exclusivity without a clear top down strategy or vision. They want to be everything for everyone and are displeasing everybody.

  29. Mercator

    August 20, 2021 at 12:39 pm

    @ Michael F – That is fine, you get value out of the rest of your cable subscription, then congratulations. Most people, an increasing number of people, are not getting value out of their cable. This is why so many cancel. FORCING consumers to subscribe to an entire cable package to watch ONE channel is a rip off and an old way of doing business that thankfully IPTV is putting an end to. You have gone back to this ridiculous argument of saying it has to be on TV to reach a big audience. Fine, no one is objecting to it being on TV. We are objecting to the fact there is NO streaming option without an entire cable package to actually watch half the EPL games. NBC is unique in this regard, ESPN+ and CBS put all the games on streaming, even if they are on cable as well (Euros were an exception and ESPN got taken to task for that). Like I said, offer a streaming option without an entire cable package, or people will pirate your product.

    Here is the reality: A good majority of sports fans are young males willing and able to get the games for free, in better quality than what they could pay for. If you don’t offer them a comparable product, at a reasonable and convenient price, they will not be paying any of you a dime and they will still watch all the matches.

  30. Michael F

    August 20, 2021 at 12:32 pm

    @Mercator. And btw… I am not making excuses for NBC. And I will refute your claim that the Champions League is watched as much week to week throughout the whole calendar year than the EPL. The Champions league becomes a well sought after product to view by households by the time the late stages of the tournament arrives (ie final 16) after group stage. I highly doubt a high number of households are tuning in in great numbers thruout all mid week matches at 3pm thruout the whole group stage and eligibility to make the group stage.

  31. Michael F

    August 20, 2021 at 12:27 pm

    @Mercator. Please present the facts by way of reputable sources to your information that ESPN is paying way more for LaLiga than NBC is for EPL.

  32. Michael F

    August 20, 2021 at 12:23 pm

    @Mercator. The reality is… any cable-like subscription (traditional cable or live tv stream service) that people have is not just to watch EPL matches. Like myself, they watch other content and channels as well to justify having the subscription. It could be offensive to completely ignore that very reasonable fact out of convenience to state your argument. 😄

    Here is a reality: the EPL and any provider that has a contract with them, is interested in reaching as many households as they can to profit off advertisements and exposure. And as @Ra already has highlighted, there are many millions that still have a cable-like subscription (traditional or live tv stream service).

    One intriguing consideration for EPL is a possible venture into an exclusive contract with Amazon Prime or Netflix, which also has a huge number of households it reaches.

  33. Mercator

    August 20, 2021 at 12:14 pm

    @Michael F – You just speculate with no basis. First of all the NHL.tv package will be available on regular ESPN+. This has been announced already, with no additional fee. You act like the EPL is billions and billions of dollars. ESPN is paying way more for La Liga than NBC pays for the EPL, yet all La Liga games are on ESPN+ for $5 bucks. The EPL rights, on a good day will get about as many viewers and cost about as much as the NHL package, which again is all on ESPN+ for $5 bucks. I have no idea why you continue to make excuses for NBC, and continue to make up insane speculative reasons to justify why they are charging 10x as much for one league as what ESPN or CBS are charging for, quite frankly, bigger tournaments in the Champions League, more expensive leagues in La Liga. and provide a much better experience on their apps.

  34. Michael F

    August 20, 2021 at 12:05 pm

    @Yespage. You are spot on correct! I’ve been saying that over and over.

    People think if EPL goes to a different provider, that the cost of streaming it will stay the same?? Think again and live in reality. The bid for EPL will be high for any provider, and the provider will want to make a profit off it. LaLiga, Bundesliga etc is niche by comparison and not anywhere near the popularity of the EPL. Despite what some think just because they only watch those leagues because they don’t want to pay extra and only stream ESPN+ or Paramount+ etc.

    I will be shocked if… a) English premier league has all live matches only on a stream service like ESPN+ at the that stream service’s current subscription price… or b) not have some high profile matches exclusively ‘live’ only on a the provider’s cable network after 2022. Let’s see if all out-of-market NHL live games are available on ESPN+ for $6 a month. I highly doubt it. And that will be a measure to know what to expect for the EPL, regardless of who picks up the next contract.

  35. Mercator

    August 20, 2021 at 11:49 am

    Yes, $45-50 bucks for one league is a rip off. We know this now because ESPN and CBS are giving us tons of leagues and champions league for like $5 bucks a month. You also need to subscribe to cable, which even money aside, is OFFENSIVE if you just watch to watch the EPL games. I do not want to pay for Fox, or other nonsense channels, to watch the football. If NBC had a $15 add on to Peacock to get the rest of the EPL content, I don’t think people would mind that much. But to say hey go buy a cable package if you want to watch the games…well I don’t think that works for many consumers anymore, and its hardly suprising that consumers then turn to an offering that does allow them to stream the games without an entire cable subscription. The simple fact is this isn’t 2002 anymore, we can all stream the games on the internet. Prices must, and will, adjust to reflect that. No one is pirating ESPN+ content, because piracy is actually less convenient and more expensive than ESPN+. Not the case for NBC, piracy gets you a better product at a fraction of the price. Telling people they should be glad they aren’t getting ripped off like its 2002 isn’t going to stop them from turning to alternatives. I just hope the EPL considers this when they they look to a new rights package – they should be wary about putting a lot of customers in a position where they will get into the habit of piracy, which in my experience is exactly what NBC’s offering does for many people.

  36. Yespage

    August 20, 2021 at 11:25 am

    Some people want everything for almost nothing. Yes, it’d be nice to have a stream only option for all EPL games. But if that came out and was over $100, people would be whining about that price. Stuff costs money. When Fox had the rights, you needed to pay at least $45 (on Dish for Latino Dos) to get FSC and then $15 more a month for Setanta. And people are complaining about $10 a month for the smaller team games and replays (on Peacock) and the cost for Sling to get NBCSN.

    They want things to be cheaper… and it got cheaper. Sling and Peacock get you every game this year, for $45 or $50 a month. It has never been cheaper… other than Fox’s streaming service which was awful.

  37. Mercator

    August 20, 2021 at 10:55 am

    @ Greg. The money you fork over to Comcast or some record label isn’t going to a new no-name artists or league 4 players, it’s going into Bryan Robert’s pocket or Aubameyang’s new Lamborghini fund. No, I think I’ll side with the punter who just wants to watch the local team plays without handing over 10% of their net wages to Sky or Comcast. It’s not so much about the money for me though and I actually pay for all this stuff one way or another now that I signed up for Fanatiz again – the IPTV is just better quality, more convenient and has international channels I can’t even pay for here. My IPTV app has multiview… how can an app programmed by one guy be more stable and have significantly more features than Peacock (or Paramount+). These companies don’t even try in many cases, thank god we have other options.

    @Michael F – You need to check the numbers. MNVO’s are included int he cable figures, they are still falling rapidly. These numbers will fall through the floor the moment ESPN and RSN’s can be streamed without cable. Something like 40% of Americans regularly pirate, closer to 75% for people under 30. You are not in the majority in your views – I promise you the average person dislikes Comcast significantly more than they dislike people downloading or streaming things for free. How do soccer fans watch the game? In my experience among a large group of 20-30 yr old fans, ESPN+ and dodgy streams. ESPN+ because a lot of people have it through family or their cell phone and it has all the games. Many I know have Peacock free through Comcast, but they still pirate because half the games are not on peacock and it just becomes habit to grab a stream.

    I’m sorry if these views so not align with your moral view of the world, but this is the reality today. The simple fact is in the internet age these companies no longer have a monopoly on the content they are charging for. That’s going to require a radical shift, just as the music industry went through a radical shift when it was apparent the industry did not have a monopoly on music anymore. There are ways to do well in this environment – ESPN+ is a solid app, with solid content, for a reasonable price. Not suprising they are the one exception to the dodgy streams for the football fans I know, whereas every major sporting event for NBC is like a huge advertisement for piracy.

  38. Ra

    August 20, 2021 at 10:05 am

    @Michael F. I agree that cable will not go anywhere soon. 77M+ households still have it, which is a quite significant number. But the issue here is are trends and customer segmentation.
    How does a typical soccer fan consume media? Are they inclined to subscribe to cable? The soccer persona (in the US) tends to be an early adopter, have high-speed internet, live in urban areas, etc, etc.
    My assumption is that soccer streaming rights are guinea pigs in the US. Important enough to get meaningful data, but not too expensive to try new things. That is why all streaming sports apps here are soccer-focused.

  39. Ra

    August 20, 2021 at 9:55 am

    @Michael F. They do include the likes of YouTube TV in the statistics as an MVPD and they are not gaining significant momentum. Check the table in the link. My guess is that the SlingTV increase in Q2 is driven by vacation, kids at home, and the Euros. This is where MVPD is significantly different from cable – people can churn accounts to see one event or to watch for a month.
    https://www.leichtmanresearch.com/major-pay-tv-providers-lost-about-1230000-subscribers-in-2q-2021/

  40. Michael F

    August 20, 2021 at 9:51 am

    @Ra. Fair enough. I can your point of view completely if all you watch is soccer. What i don’t get is when i see repeated commentary about cable-like package conglomerates are about to fall anytime and are an endangered species (traditional or live tv stream). Unfortunately, the facts show otherwise and folks here commenting on this site need to face that reality.

  41. Ra

    August 20, 2021 at 9:45 am

    @Michael F. I don’t care if cable goes away or not. I just care about getting all soccer without it.
    I also could not care less to see the big 4 sports on cable pay-wall.
    I only care about soccer. And NBC is the last bastion that needs to fall.
    All media players admit that soccer is uniquely positioned to be a predominant streaming-focused offer.

  42. Michael F

    August 20, 2021 at 9:40 am

    An additional comment on this topic. These cord cutter sites always provide a statistical percentage or figure as to how many have ‘cut the cord.’ I doubt very much they include those that left traditional cable so as to sign up with a live tv stream service (ie sling, utube tv, fubo tv, at&t now etc). I bet if they did, they wouldn’t see that much of a significant drop in overall numbers from traditional cable to now what you can ‘streaming’ cable. . Point is… if your viewing habits havent changed and you love live professional or college sports in america, you need a cable-like subscription to something to watch all the content. People are always willing to pay for something they ‘got’ to have. That pretty much defines America. 🙂

  43. Michael F

    August 20, 2021 at 9:26 am

    @Ra. I was simply provided factual numbers as to how many viewers take in the EPL, which is still significantly higher than the other Euro leagues.
    I understand your displeasure over the cable conglomerate, but the facts are… there are still many subscribed to cable/sat or live tv stream services like Sling, Utube Tv, FuBo tv (heck, that last one is advertised on this site constantly)… so that consumers can watch the EPL and so that many many more consumers can watch the big 4 American sports (NFL, MLB, NBA, NHL).
    I am not at all an strong advocate to the millions and millions of cable-like subscriptions (I mentioned above) that exist, but it is reality and I am utube tv subscriber so that I along with millions and millions of others can legally watch the majority of the professional live sports leagues and local pro sports teams in this country. And you are kidding yourself, if you think that’s going away anytime soon.

  44. Ra

    August 20, 2021 at 7:24 am

    @Michael F Just to make myself clear – I am not saying that the games shouldn’t be on cable, but rather, that all games should be on streaming as well. As CBS does. Or ESPN with LaLiga and Bundesliga.
    I got olympics for $10 by churning accounts. I would rather look for reddit links than to pay $35-65 for cable. And with a clear conscience. I even deleted the cable app 2 days into my subscription. I could not stand seeing all this BS in a grid. Even history channel is now a reality-show network. It is a bunch of reality shows, conspiracy theories, pseudo-science, celebrity gossip and some old movies. Soo depressing – cable is a sign of the decline of Western civilization.

  45. Ra

    August 20, 2021 at 6:55 am

    @Michael F. I don’t see your point. You are comparing apples to oranges. There is no way to tell how many incremental subscribers are there because of NBC compared to ESPN. CBS or a streaming service. I would not jump to the conclusion that it is necessarily higher.
    EPL is the most competitive league in the world and with the best cultural fit.
    I watched the Spurs game on NBCSN because my month of Sling is not over from the Olympics. The game was enjoyable, but I have no plans on continuing to follow once my month is over. I am not willing to spend $35 on Sling or $65 on a better service to watch it. It is simply not worth $830/yr (65*12+50) for EPL and F1 alone, plus an occasional NatGeo doc. Most content on cable is pure garbage – it is depressing to see what cable broadcasts. No wonder we are where we are as a society in 2021. I will not watch it on these terms.

  46. Michael F

    August 19, 2021 at 11:50 pm

    @Ra. So you wonder how many are not watching EPL because of NBC? Well… listen to the latest World Soccer Talk podcast which reveals that NBC had the best opening weekend for EPL in tv ratings since 2015. Also, as a point to point comparison of leagues — the Man City vs Tottenham match averaged 818,,000 viewers on cable NBCSN, while the LaLiga opening weekend kickoff match of Barcelona vs Real Sociedad on over-the-air ABC on same day only averaged 465,000 viewers.
    So, EPL is by far the most watched euro domestic league here in the US… despite your assumption that so many steer away from the EPL because of NBC. 😄

  47. Hans

    August 19, 2021 at 10:24 pm

    I have subscribed and plan to renew Paramount+ (with no adds) also the normal ESPN+ for both I pay the yearly subscription. Peacock I subscribed for a year last November when they did the bait and switch I got a refund of $50 but the access was not cut off and I imagine because they have my details for the yearly renewal which is ticked and so I have till end of october to make a final decision. Not yet decided what to do but since they have the major Rugby competitions most likely I will renew.
    As far as EPL is concerned I feel your pain with the West Coast time zone. However since Comcast is trying to screw around with their customer I have no qualms of conscience to repay that. ALL the games from the Premier league are available for download less then an hour after completion. The Reddit subfolders are brimming with links for downloads. Granted it is less convenient but you get it when you want it at no cost to you.

  48. Ra

    August 19, 2021 at 9:45 pm

    Some argue that NBC promotes EPL with NBCSN or USA channel, pitching soccer for an audience that is not necessarily interested in the sport.
    I wonder how many heavy soccer fans are not watching EPL because of NBC. I watch most leagues but EPL. Peacock is ridiculous. You get only 2nd rate games or old news.
    You can get EPL for $40 (sling + peacock) or all other soccer competitions for $20, with no hassle and no complicated schedule. For me the choice is obvious.
    Regarding LaLiga, the money invested is negligible for ESPN, but is overvalued. They are paying $30M compared to LaLiga’s $175M and they are a technically superior league. I hope they go with the same appetite after the EPL.

  49. dr

    August 19, 2021 at 8:57 pm

    “What exactly has changed with NBC’s coverage of the premier league since the old NBC Sports Gold days?” For those of us in western time zones who can only watch replays, the answer is: NBC Sports Gold made replays available by 9pm EST on the day of the match. Peacock messed up with this at first last year, but after complaints eventually got pretty good at making match replays available in a timely manner. So far this year Peacock has decided that the next day is good enough (which it isn’t). I hope they change their minds about this.

    If there is contract language between the EPL and NBC that embargoes match replays for such a long period, I’d be curious to see it.

  50. Hans

    August 18, 2021 at 10:45 pm

    Here is a very novel idea. Comcast and ViacomCBS have joined together in Europe to provide in 2022 a combined streaming service waiting on regulatory approval. Think this may be difficult to get approval in the US. But the EPL rights are being sold separately in the different countries in Europe to the different providers.

  51. Michael F

    August 17, 2021 at 3:32 pm

    @greg. I wasn’t going to touch that one about Mercator’s thoughts on piracy, but your reply was excellent. Anyone who thinks piracy is good for the producer or the consumer is not at all thinking it through. And the comment that ‘consumers are broadly in favor of piracy’ is as subjective as anything. Oh sure, there is a big enough Robin Hood audience out there that doesn’t think twice about stealing because they think they are already being robbed – that still doesn’t make it right. And I would love to know the actual overall statistics of who does piracy among all consumers. I doubt it’s anywhere close to a majority. So ‘broadly’ is a term used quite loosely in this context.

  52. greg

    August 17, 2021 at 3:16 pm

    @mercator – ask musicians who used to depend on sales of their music if they’re better off thanks to napster & pirating. That led to the attitude that the fruits of their labor should be free, which is what led to Spotify and that “should be free” mindset leading to far fewer people paying for music. Work goes into making music, and like any labor it should be compensated. It takes home recording & musical equipment to make music, also studio time at least for mastering if not recording. Those costs should be compensated. Did record companies wildly over-price CDs (and now vinyl again)? Yes. But the artists, especially indie artists & major-label artists not selling millions got hit hard. Piracy is not just ripping off the labels, it’s ripping off the artists. Thankfully Bandcamp makes it better for artists, but you should still pay for music.

  53. Michael F

    August 17, 2021 at 1:54 pm

    @Don Dickerson. Funny take. I enjoyed it. I am perhaps not just like many of the soccer viewers here that just want to watch as much as soccer as possible, no matter what league it is. I will pay for something if i want to view something specific.

    My priority is the English Premier League. Although many could debate other Euro leagues have equal quality but that is not why i prefer the EPL. I enjoy the ‘flavor’ of the EPL and its match atmosphere above any other league and for me its not even close. And i suppose i could argue it provides greater competition as a league of 20 clubs than the others, by evidence of the number of top clubs in the EPL that have success in euro wide competition (ie Champions and Europa). I choose to deep dive into this one league and follow it closely. There is way too much soccer as you have said to have time to do it that for every league or more than one.

  54. Don Dickerson

    August 17, 2021 at 12:44 pm

    There are like 5000 games on every damn Saturday and you only want to talk about the couple that are on cable. Get out of the EPL box and watch other soccer leagues. If you MUST have the EPL then hey pay for it and just pray it goes to CBS (Paramount) next year. Because even if say it went Fox guess what that’s another fee you would have to take on but if it goes to CBS then all a soccer fan would need is CBS and ESPN+. Hell who knows how much Fox would make you pay could be NFLST levels of money needed for every match.

  55. Mercator

    August 17, 2021 at 12:11 pm

    @Ra Excellent point, I think you nailed it. We are all better off today because of napster, even if you never pirated one song. We will all be better off today because of IPTV, even if you never use it. I think the one thing these leagues aren’t considering is habit. Once you figure out how to pirate, its rare you go back. I think the NBA has already lost my generation of fans to piracy, I don’t know anyone who doesn’t pirate the games and most people don’t know what channel the game is on but know 3-4 solid streaming links. I don’t take NBA ratings seriously because of it, 4 out of 5 people I know who watch are not counted in those metrics. I only got IPTV because of this Peacock nonsense, but now that I have it… its not going away even if Peacock does. They need a new approach – my Sat footy group chats are full of streaming links now for matches, wasn’t like that even 3-4 years ago, everyone just seemed to watch EPL on NBCSN. Michael F seems confused, consumers are broadly in favor of piracy, the RIAA tried for years to sue people and was broadly despised by the public, and accomplished nothing.

    @Hans I think its much trickier than you think, and I’m not sure overall revenue is the only relevant metric. What is great for leagues about the current system is consistency, you know what you are getting paid 3-4 years in advance, no surprises and no nonsense. DTC is a variable revenue stream – Messi leaves your league and next thing you know every club is facing a 10% or 20% hit to revenues as global fans cancel. Pricing is also tricky – you better believe the English will riot if foreign fans get $5-10 EPL and brits are left with Sky and 3pm blackouts, and even at $5 bucks a month this is a massive price INCREASE for markets like India. Segregate the pricing and you are back to the VPN issue with most subscribers paying Indian rates, although this is probably the right approach. Plus, insulation is always good in business. We are all on here slating NBC, but I’m sure the EPL is glad they have a middle man to take that flak for them. I wouldn’t jump straight to a DTC model either if someone else will still pay me billions for the rights and I don’t have to deal with the actual consumers (who are often cheap, fickle and obnoxious).

    @Michael F Yes, hopefully that will be the EPL’s move this time, to go with a Netflix or Amazon (or Apple). One step closer to the same system we have for music – pay one of the tech companies $10 bucks and get everything you want. The cable system going to die sooner than you think – it will be dead the minute ESPN offers a package that doesn’t require cable.

  56. Michael F

    August 17, 2021 at 11:20 am

    @Ra I agree. I am not a cord cutter in the truest sense, only in the traditional sense… using only streaming apps via high speed internet source. Of course we could have easily predicted the live tv stream services to come full circle and mirror a cable-like conglomerate. Anyone who couldn’t see this is kidding themselves. Which is why I am not sure it will all truly go away and die like you and many hard core cord cutters hope it will. American big 4 sports alone (i.e. NFL, MLB, NBA, NHL) hold a big monopoly share and interest in keeping it alive.

  57. Ra

    August 17, 2021 at 11:07 am

    @Michael F. I must have misunderstood you. It depends on the viewpoint, but you are not a really a cordcutter if you have a Cable-like app. If you have a grid and pay for a bunch of channels you did not care for, you are in a cable-like ecosystem.
    I do not bother to use IPTV, but morally, it is a far better alternative than to be indirectly funding misinformation on Tucker Carlon’s show.

  58. Michael F

    August 17, 2021 at 8:14 am

    @Hans. That was a good take and information. I also am subscribed to The Athletic which provides insightful articles on Sports Business. It shall be interesting to see what the EPL does next to try to grow their sport in the U.S. I think the idea of a contract with Netflix or Amazon is intriguing, considering the number of households it would reach. That certainly would also be a sort of a game changer. Your points of exclusivity for EPL with a provider make sense and it’s why I wonder if they would shy away from both ESPN and Paramount for that very reason.

  59. Hans

    August 17, 2021 at 1:09 am

    Let us take the networks out of the pictures because the rights to sell are with the EPL. They will only accept what is profitable for them. What that is no one knows for sure except those who have received the 73-page invitation to tender from the EPL. But we can get some idea where it is all heading and I will quote again from two articles from the Athletic to make the point what may be of interest to the EPL.

    ——–
    Feb 8th 2020
    The Premier League chief executive Richard Masters has admitted it is inevitable English football’s top flight will launch a Netflix-style streaming service in the coming years — a move that could result in lower subscription costs for fans… and greatly increased revenues for clubs.

    With the value of the British rights falling slightly and the rapid growth in video-on-demand streaming, the Premier League has been exploring the possibility of cutting out the middle men and going “direct to consumer” with its own “over-the-top” service.

    Speaking this week at the league’s new headquarters in London, Masters explained that the organization spent significant amounts of time and resources on “building our expertise and capacity in direct-to-consumer” during the last rights cycle, which was concluded in 2018.

    Masters said the league is continuing to build its expertise and has set up a “club broadcast advisory group” — comprised of the chief executives of Brighton & Hove Albion, Crystal Palace, Liverpool and Manchester United — to make sure everyone is on the same page.

    “We were ready last time and we will be ready next time, should the opportunity arise,” says Masters. “I’m not saying it will happen in the next cycle, or when it will happen, but eventually the Premier League will move to a mix of direct-to-consumer and media-rights sales.”

    ——–
    Jul 6, 2021 in an article “The Premier League’s international TV rights auction”

    What these bidders were bidding for, how their bids must be presented and what obligations they would have to meet before getting any rights is all explained in the league’s 73-page invitation to tender. This is the manual for the Premier League’s business model, and it tells you where the league believes its business is heading.

    The Premier League, along with other sporting bodies, needs to be wary not to force users to watch events illegally. Piracy is an ongoing problem that is showing no signs of easing up and will only continue to proliferate with further fragmentation or price rises.

    To summarize the EPL has looked into streaming since 2018. It has setup a broadcast advisory group made up of CEOs from clubs. The EPL couldn’t care less who has the rights in the US as long as their brand grows in the country and their income increases. In the bid that broadcasters submit I am sure they have to explain by what means and ways they plan to present the EPL brand to consumers.
    ——–
    We can see that the leagues are very much interested in audience growth and that now happens to be in the streaming world. La Liga was not happy with beIN and their growth in the US. Therefore it went to ESPN who is doing their best to grow the La Liga brand in the US.

    In addition Serie A was not happy with how ESPN gave priority to the Bundesliga and La Liga while they took the backseat on ESPN. They felt that their brand would reach a wider audience with ViaCBS and it left ESPN.

    Now the EPL is monitoring all of this and will now make their demands in the negotiations and there is no indication at this point who has their nose in front. All we know is EPL wants a huge exposure in the US where the market for Soccer games is not having the same draw as other sports. It wants to reach as many households as possible and they really don’t care how that is happening as long as it gets done. Just imagine the rights would go to Netflix’s 209 million subscribers or it becomes an Amazon Prime exclusive for its 112 million subscribers. All these subscribers would become potential customers of the stuff that the EPL clubs sell.

    Bottom line the EPL couldn’t care less who gets the rights as long ad their profits are maximized,

  60. Michael F

    August 16, 2021 at 10:44 pm

    @Ra. You are taking my comment way out of context. I am simply stating the realities of a cable/sat or live tv stream package that people pay for so as to be able to watch certain content they want (and be able to watch it in their own language).

    I have obviously hit a real nerve with several cord cutters here. I know there is still two camps and we continue to be in a transitional world of sorts as streaming grows. How you interpreted me defending cable is beyond me. I am actually considered a ‘cord cutter.’. I haven’t been a cable/sat subscriber for many years now. Although I now subscribe to a live tv stream service (utube tv) to continue to receive some traditional “cable sports networks’ like NBC Sports, ESPN and TCM (yes I like old Hollywood movies).

  61. Michael F

    August 16, 2021 at 10:23 pm

    @JP. I think you know exactly what I meant. Tell me… What exactly has changed with NBC’s coverage of the premier league since the old NBC Sports Gold days? Why are people expecting it might change tomorrow? Maybe if we complain louder and more often or use CAPS they will listen??

    All along… Comcast has had matches continue to be only on their NBC Sports networks where you need cable/sat or live tv stream service… and perhaps one Saturday match a week on NBC over-the-air and then the rest exclusively on their stream service – which is now Peacock. Point is… Nothing has really changed at all. Oh… except you now get an extra live match on Peacock that airs on NBC. They threw a bone!… and yet the same tired complaints continue.

    Of course it doesn’t satisfy those that wish they would do exactly as ESPN+ or Paramount+ does. Those others also don’t have an existing tv contract with the English Premier league. And until that changes (which it won’t for this season), maybe we can get onto another topic that is current and relevant for today’s world soccer talk. 🙂

  62. Ra

    August 16, 2021 at 9:50 pm

    @Michael F. Your comment on cable is preposterous. It is utterly absurd that someone has to end up paying Fox News to be able to watch a soccer match. Please enlighten me – how can I watch all EPL and avoid that a single penny of mine ends up with Fox News? This is exactly why cable will be dead sooner rather than later. Same applies to MSNBC for those on the other end of the political spectrum.

  63. Ra

    August 16, 2021 at 8:53 pm

    @Yespage I realized now that I did not make myself clear in the first comment. By competition. I meant IPTV and P2P and not necessarily other cable providers. I don’t like any cable providers, but some are more reasonable. To me yhe best model is unbundled. I believe that with $5-10/mo, EPL could provide a much better streaming service than what NBC offers. Something similar to what F1 offers. You can watch it if you have ESPN, but the best service, with 30+ cameras and 8+ language options, you can get directly from F1TV.
    I believe a similar model would work fantastic for EPL.
    People that think NBC’s coverage could not be improved either lack imagination and expertise or have a conflict of interest.

  64. JP

    August 16, 2021 at 7:58 pm

    @MichaelF (aka Comcast executive in disguise) says “So let’s suppose Peacock showed all EPL matches live that is also on NBC linear networks. How is that fair to those that pay for these linear network services?”

    ESPN did/does this when they show Bundesliga over the air, same for the Barcelona match yesterday. CBS does this whenever they show UCL (or Super Cup last week) on CBSSN, also available on Paramount+

    MichaelF says “So maybe the EPL has in their contract with NBC to ensure live matches are exclusive on NBC’s linear network? That wouldn’t be so hard to understand. There are still many cable/sat and live tv subscribers. I am sure to get some replies here, or should I say more whining. 🙂”

    By linear NBC network do you mean NBC or NBCSN/USA/CNBC? Because the matches on NBC are simulcast live on Peacock and undercuts your argument. Also, I’ve just cut the cord, but able to see Spurs/City if I wanted even though it was on NBCSN. With an HD antenna could watch it on Telemundo, completely legal and not stealing.
    The only person whining here is you with the tired defense of Comcast’s business practices whenever someone comments with legitimate complaints about the service.

  65. Ra

    August 16, 2021 at 5:43 pm

    @Yespage. Yes, industry disruption is the most savage kind of competition. It was not the fight between labels that brought us the likes of Spotify. It is Napster who redefined the whole industry, and in hindsight I am grateful for it.

  66. Michael F

    August 16, 2021 at 3:55 pm

    @Michelangelo. Your quote: “most likely it’s going to be ESPN+“. Not that I am really biased by any specific provider… but what inside information gives you the idea that this quoted statement of yours is accurate? Or is it what you wish for or are you just following social media?? 😄

  67. Yespage

    August 16, 2021 at 3:52 pm

    @ Ra – Competition? The EPL benefits from that competition of the TV companies trying to outbid each other for the broadcasting rights. We are the ones that pay the broadcasting rights. We do not benefit. It isn’t like the EPL gives all the stations the coverage rights and people tune into the channel they think provides the best coverage. There is only one owner providing coverage.

  68. Michelangelo

    August 16, 2021 at 3:52 pm

    @MichaelF- That would be crazy we will see but most likely it’s going to ESPN+. I love the Disney Plus bundle so it’s a treat.

  69. Michael F

    August 16, 2021 at 3:51 pm

    @Michelangelo. If ESPN gets the next EPL rights… you are dreaming if you think all EPL matches will be exclusively live on ESPN+ or if it will not have an extra cost for all EPL matches beyond its current $6 a month subscription.

  70. Michelangelo

    August 16, 2021 at 3:48 pm

    Who will get the rights to the EPL will it be ESPN +?

  71. Michael F

    August 16, 2021 at 3:47 pm

    @Hans. I am not the one irked or constantly making comments in angst over Comcast. It is you that is the one being angry. I enjoy the soccer with a clean conscience, as I pay for my services. Your continuous comments to try and ‘educate’ us all on how stupid we are for actually paying for the services provided is… if I may frank – asinine.

  72. Michael F

    August 16, 2021 at 3:41 pm

    @Edward There are 380 EPL matches a season. Peacock advertises 175 exclusive live matches and provides delay on-demand of all the other matches shown on linear NBC networks.
    Why the heck is anyone so surprised over this and claims Peacock is providing false advertisement and ‘going back on their word’ … is a bunch of garbage. So the matches shown on linear NBC network is now on-demand on Peacock 24 hours later and not on later the same day. This is a new season and they never made any claims.

    And so the same cord cutters continue to whine! Maybe they should rename this site: ‘World Soccer whine!”

    So let’s suppose Peacock showed all EPL matches live that is also on NBC linear networks. How is that fair to those that pay for these linear network services?

    This is the EPL. The most coveted domestic euro league to view and it’s not even close. Despite what angry cord cutters suggest here.. So maybe the EPL has in their contract with NBC to ensure live matches are exclusive on NBC’s linear network? That wouldn’t be so hard to understand. There are still many cable/sat and live tv subscribers. I am sure to get some replies here, or should I say more whining. 🙂

  73. Hans

    August 16, 2021 at 3:36 pm

    @Michael F.
    Yes, very proud to get my free P2P coverage since I can’t match Comcast’s thievery I try my best to look out for number 1, ME unlike you as Comcast treats you like a chump.
    Thank you for replying to my hundreds of redundant comment as they must irk you especially so since in Comcast’s eyes you are a prime suspect to be fleeced 😆

  74. Edward

    August 16, 2021 at 2:31 pm

    Peacock is back to playing the role of Gold this season, the way NBC probably wanted it to be. We are getting an extra match on TV during the 10am match window so far.

  75. Ra

    August 16, 2021 at 9:49 am

    @Hans @Michael F Competition is always good. It benefits us all. Michael F – It may not seem obvious to you but you are getting a better product (the Olympics coverage shows you that) because of alternative competitors. You could be watching in-game commercials if they think they can get away with it.

  76. Michael F

    August 16, 2021 at 9:35 am

    Hans the pirate strikes again… and is proud of it. 😄. Yes, we know you hate Comcast. You’ve made that clear enough in the hundreds of previous redundancy comment posts here on this site.

  77. Hans

    August 15, 2021 at 7:06 pm

    We have the answer for when full matches will be available on Peacock when they originally aired on NBCSN like this Sunday’s matches. The wait time is TWENTY FOUR (24) hours later. In what universe does that make sense? I guess in Comcast’s greedy one trying to force users to get a cable subscription.
    Did I watch Man City vs. Spurs live in HD, YES
    Did Comcast get a cent from me, NO
    They try to play cord cutters like chumps, thank you because you will not get a dime from us. Is this an indication that they try to suss out if it is worth splurging big on the PL rights? If they don’t get the streaming public on board they may encounter a loss.

  78. Bharath Krishna

    August 13, 2021 at 3:37 pm

    @Efrain I am seeing it on YouTube TV guide in my Apple TV /Roku/Google TV

  79. Bharath Krishna

    August 13, 2021 at 3:35 pm

    @Efrain I am seeing it on YouTube TV guide in my Apple TV /Roku/Google TV

  80. Michelangelo

    August 13, 2021 at 10:11 am

    Peacock isn’t doing it for me. Half the matches are on NBC and NBCSN so having Peacock only gets you maybe the other 3 or 4 games in the week. All the big clubs play on the main networks so it’s good for viewers in a way. The worst thing that Peacock did was obtain rights to the WWE because I can’t stand it how their platform works. Anyways I wish the Italian Serie A had the same coverage similar to the Premier League but unfortunately that is never goin to happen. Forza Napoli!!!

  81. SaintsFan

    August 12, 2021 at 8:56 pm

    Yeah – misunderstood. Thought Peacock were showing every NBC game live & that included NBCSN. Not just the main terrestrial NBC channel.
    Whatever – enjoy the season everyone. Come on you Saints!

  82. Hans

    August 12, 2021 at 6:02 pm

    The recording of streamed content requires technical know how hand tools, because everything that is streaming on ALL streaming service providers which have DRM protection is available on P2P trackers. So it can be done. Just Google for “how to record peacock streaming” and you will find that there are work arounds, but they are technically illegal.
    It is a matter of users wanting to watch WHAT they want WHEN they want, that started with TIVO 23 years ago and Comcast still doesn’t get it. Once again it is really only a problem with Comcast’s Peacock because the other streaming services make it available ASAP. Paramount has the games available almost instantly after the matches have ended. Again the only reason I can think of is Comcast wants you get their cable package their is no other explanation for not putting the games on after completion. As a matter of fact it would be in their interest since they haven’t implemented yet the start of the live game if you missed it or can pause it.

  83. Kevin

    August 12, 2021 at 5:42 pm

    Re: Premier League content on Peacock and NBC overall — Premier League TV came back in full today. New episodes of Fantasy PL, Premier League Today, Kelly and Wrighty, etc today. On demand available in Premier League Hub
    https://www.peacocktv.com/watch/sports-premier-league-hub

    Not to be too much of an NBC fanboy but that plus all the actual on air programming will add up to be more than ESPN provides from La Liga TV and on air. Though it’s nice to see plenty to stream on both network sites.

  84. Michael F

    August 12, 2021 at 3:24 pm

    @Mercator. Thanks for your feedback on that. It’s good to get the details of first hand experience (both good and bad). I will have to check out the ESPN+ LaLiga hub.

  85. Mercator

    August 12, 2021 at 3:03 pm

    @Michael F The problem again is that the games are not up on peacock quickly. Some have not been up until after 6pm ET. I am not on the east coast either and this was initially a huge annoyance for me. I used to just DVR NBCSN and if the games started at 6AM local time, I wake up at 8 and start the 6AM game and just watch all the way through (skipping commercials of course to catch up). I think this is what many non-east cost people do, as do many who actually have things to do weekend mornings. Peacock makes this whole operation impossible. I have not found a legitimate way to DVR the Peacock games so that I can start a match in progress from the beginning, or be assured that I can watch the match anytime after it has occurred (and not 4 hours later when Peacock uploads it). I use the IPTV to DVR the UK broadcasts, but even this misses the 3PM GMT games that are only on Peacock. It’s very annoying and it must not be helpful to the business because I went from watching EPL the whole weekend to skipping around now and only watching Arsenal and big matches.

    If you think ESPN’s content is shallow and NBC is so great, I suggest you compare the La Liga hub on ESPN+ with the EPL hub on Peacock. It’s night and day, ESPN is doing significantly more apparently and there is certainly much more coverage of smaller clubs than NBC provides. And I do notice when I miss an Arsenal match because the Peacock is buffering or the NBC app is broken again. It’s an incredibly unprofessional way to treat a top club in a top league. Only Fox would be worse.

  86. Jagular

    August 12, 2021 at 12:09 pm

    I’m glad that NBC Sport Gold is gone.

    I don’t want fox to get their hands on the EPS, because for sure, they’d drop games on FS2 and Fox Soccer plus, neither of which I get with my current cable package. I would rather CBS and/or ESPN gets the EPL as I already subscribe to Paramount+ and the Disney Bundle. I would also be happy with Discovery+ and HBO Max as I also subscribe to those. Amazon too for that matter.

  87. Efrain

    August 12, 2021 at 9:18 am

    @Bharath I don’t see any 4K info on Tottenham match Sunday. Do you have link or info on that?

  88. Michael F

    August 12, 2021 at 9:03 am

    Btw… I am on the east coast. If I didn’t have utube tv, I would have to wait till 9pm eastern to watch matches aired live on linear NBC sports network. This may sound funny, but west coasters that have completely ‘cut the cord’ certainly have a more appealing scenario. So you get several EPL matches available live on Peacock and shortly after those matches are complete, they are available via stream on Peacock thruout your long day. Then, you have all the linear NBC sports matches aired earlier available at 6pm. It’s quite easy to avoid any spoilers. What a great day and evening of watching the EPL!

  89. Michael F

    August 12, 2021 at 8:50 am

    @David. I am slightly confused by your comments. Matches shown live on Peacock are available to stream not long after it is complete. Matches shown live on Linear NBC sports network are available to stream on Peacock later that day. If you have linear tv via a live tv stream service like uTube tv or via cable/sat… you have DVR to record those live matches. I set all sports leagues to record on utube tv. Easily the most attractive live tv stream service there is because it is unlimited DVR – all recordings kept for 9 months. Never need to worry about running out of recording space.

  90. Edward

    August 11, 2021 at 11:20 pm

  91. Bharath Krishna

    August 11, 2021 at 11:01 pm

    Sunday Tottenham Hotspur vs. Manchester City
    game is in 4K on YouTube TV.

  92. David

    August 11, 2021 at 9:33 pm

    There is a tacit assumption that most NBC watchers are on East/Central time.

    With Peacock, those of us on the West Coast have lost the ability to watch live games at 4.30am and, unless regularly sleep deprived, at 7.00am. The inability to record Peacock means waiting until 6.00pm on Saturday to watch chosen games AND avoiding all news of EPL scores until then.

    With NBC SN, no such limitation.

    Does anyone have a means of recording live streams?

  93. Michael F

    August 11, 2021 at 8:09 pm

    Typo correction above: ‘fire cutters’ should ‘cord cutters’

  94. Michael F

    August 11, 2021 at 8:07 pm

    And btw… I am with Tony! I hope NBC retains the EPL rights over such other options like being a joint bid with ESPN and CBS. That possibility is not at all appealing for anyone who likes a deep dive of the EPL. I foresee coverage of this premier league will suffer with ESPN and CBS as they only draw their attention to the top 6 clubs. ESPN has been famous for drawing a broad but narrow brush over every sport or league it covers. While I am a fan of ESPN FC show for what it is… just watch that and you will understand what I mean. It only focuses on the top flight euro league clubs and its superstars. The appeal for those following EPL on NBC over the years has been because it gives the league such in depth exclusive attention.
    I realize those fire cutters that wish to consume parts of any soccer match from every single Euro league that exists on all stream services, viewing these matches simultaneously on multiple split screens… will probably not understand this. My question is… how much is actually enough and how could you know that you’re missing anything? 🙂

  95. Michael F

    August 11, 2021 at 7:44 pm

    @Michael and all… who are wondering if Peacock will continue to replay on demand all EPL matches on their stream service: If you simply go into Peacock, choose sports tab – you will see a new ‘Hub’ for Premier League and you will note all matches show up in “Upcoming Replays” in this hub.

    It’s always best to be properly informed before presumptuously laying negative criticism of something. 🙂

  96. UnitedFan 3478

    August 11, 2021 at 6:30 pm

    @Chris Guardiano From my point of view, I do see a joint bid for the EPL winning the rights. Either ESPN/Fox or ESPN/CBS. Mainly because if the EPL was on ESPN and Fox/CBS, then they can get more viewers. If La Liga is bad now, why wouldn’t ESPN go for the EPL? There are 8 networks that can air the EPL: ABC, ESPN, ESPN2, ESPN Deportes, Fox, FS1, and Fox Deportes. While games can also be streamed on ESPN+. That’s way more networks than NBC and USA. Now that Fox only has the MLS and World Cup, they can make the EPL their main priority over the MLS. ESPN can also make the EPL their main priority over the Bundesliga and La Liga, also considering that they have the FA Cup and Carabao Cup. I wouldn’t mind CBS instead of Fox, so that they have both the EPL and UCL, just like how Fox did.

  97. Chris Guardiano

    August 11, 2021 at 5:34 pm

    @Yespage I certainly agree with you about NBC’s EPL coverage being better than Fox. I am old enough to remember the days the EPL was on FSN and FSC every week in the late 90’s and early 2000’s and that was seen as revolutionary because it brought the EPL into more homes here in the US especially FSN because it was a basic cable channel. Before Fox came in, the EPL was on SportsChannel America for its first 3 seasons but when that channel folded, the EPL wasn’t available in the US again until 1998. However towards the end of Fox’s run with the EPL, they really prioritized the Champions League over the EPL and basically gave ESPN (who also had EPL rights at the time) all of the big matches to air while putting more and more matches behind a paywall in the form of Fox Soccer Plus in the hope that people would subscribe to the service to watch not only the EPL but also the Champions League. This failed badly because people weren’t willing to pay an additional $9.99 on their cable bill to watch their team and Fox hurt their chances of keeping the EPL with this move which allowed NBC to get the rights.

  98. Anthony

    August 11, 2021 at 10:53 am

    I am assuming the games on USA Network will still be available in the old school “NBC Sports” app which requires a TV subscription verification. That’s how I basically watch most NBC Sports content anyway.

  99. Yespage

    August 11, 2021 at 9:23 am

    USA is almost certainly more available in US Households than NBCSN was. That means it is an increase in potential viewership. I’m not exactly certain why so many people became so sour in NBC’s coverage of the EPL. It hasn’t changed much and it was heralded for years as a breath of fresh air over Fox coverage. The overlap with Peacock can be frustrating (or more likely the inability to restart or pause while the game is on-going) as was the EPL’s staggered schedule due to the pandemic, but overall, NBC has done quite well with EPL.

    Some people just want the EPL games for next to nothing in cost.

  100. Anthony

    August 11, 2021 at 8:01 am

    English Premier League is by far the most relevant league as evidenced by this year’s transfer window…. But the current partner in the US (NBC) is losing its main sports cable channel. USA/Peacock are unproven. Other (ESPN) networks don’t have the space for it on cable TV to take it on by itself. Other providers (Discovery, DAZN, Amazon, CBS Sports Network, etc) are unproven. Very odd situation. I still think some kind of split contract makes the most sense here.

  101. Efrain

    August 11, 2021 at 7:37 am

    If NBC isn’t going to improve streaming quality then I hope they lose the rights. Unbelievable that they still stream sports in 30fps, the pq sucks on Peacock. ESPN on the other hand, streams at 60fps and you can clearly see the difference. With all things going streaming it’s crazy how such a huge corporation doesn’t invest in the technical stuff.

  102. Andrew

    August 11, 2021 at 7:37 am

    Just to address John Culea above,

    “Political garbage in sport is an automatic yellow card” in your mind because it inconveniences you as a privilege white man and that you disagree with the positions of society trying to demand that racism end and all citizens be treated equally.

    Anyway, with NBCSN going away and the issues with Peacock, it’s going to be a really tough last season on the contract for NBC Sports.

  103. Rich

    August 11, 2021 at 6:46 am

    This is probably the longest I’ve seen the EPL wait to announce American rights. We’d usually know who has the next contract by now.

  104. Jasinho

    August 10, 2021 at 10:15 pm

    I was hoping for the longest time that Sky Sports News would be on Peacock because of them being under Comcast’s roof and because that is the best place to get the latest sports news especially for a footy aficionado like yours truly. Since they’ve thought it is a better idea to put clips on youtube, I’ve slowly given up on that hope and it brought me to a point where I wouldn’t be bothered if NBC lost the rights.

    If it is not NBC, I hope it will be CBS for the Premier League simply because they have the means to air all the big match windows without interference with their other properties aside from Serie A.

    I am still not betting on ESPN because of the 1730 GMT / 1230 US East window. I think that is the one time the EPL wants to actually be on tv in the US.

    Anyone familiar with FOX’s history with broadcasting football should realize by now we want nothing to do with them.

  105. Edward

    August 10, 2021 at 10:11 pm

  106. Tony

    August 10, 2021 at 9:24 pm

    Please ,Please , Please NBC retain the Premier League rights ……………….If ESPN / ABC get it just think …………………Taylor Twellman every weekend ………………… he is bad enough every few years during a big tournament ………………. But every week ………………..

  107. Kevin

    August 10, 2021 at 6:54 pm

    @Mercator “Not all of the games are on Peacock though!”

    Exactly, Comcast may know cable’s days are numbered but they still want you to have it! They want you to have both. We’re in the in-between years, I think this will get sorted out with better subscription services in the future. If ESPN gets the rights and offers it over-the-top on ESPN+ next year then that would be a game changer.

  108. dave

    August 10, 2021 at 5:47 pm

    Agree with @Mercator that “NBC is so annoying . . . Every time I have to change the channel or flip to peacock, I . . . may not be back” and “Even a cable login on Peacock, so you could go there, login with cable, and watch EVERYTHING would be much better”
    .
    I have access to NBCSN, USA, CNBC, NBC, Peacock, etc. I wish there were a way – as there is with ESPN app and used to be with EPL/NBC Gold – to type my passwords once and have all NBC Sports content I pay for available in the same place
    .
    Peacock Olympics was a bust for me – never found the live Peacock events. Those could have been simulcast on the NBC Sports app with “type password to validate Peacock access”

  109. Ra

    August 10, 2021 at 5:21 pm

    @Christopher Harris. Enquiring minds want to know – who do YOU speculate will get the rights for EPL? The most obvious (and boring) would be NBC because of Comcast-Sky…blah
    $s aside, which one would make most sense for EPL from a ‘grow the audience’ perspective?

  110. Mercator

    August 10, 2021 at 4:51 pm

    @Kevin Not all of the games are on Peacock though! NBCSN/NBC was perfectly fine before Peacock. Peacock would be perfectly fine if they showed all the games. Instead, NBC makes you dance between 3 channels and a streaming platform every weekend to watch one league! Even a cable login on Peacock, so you could go there, login with cable, and watch EVERYTHING would be much better. Hell, even if they just took a consistent approach week to week (Peacock early, NBC 12:30, everything else NBCSN) so you knew where to check for a match, that would be a great improvement.

    At this point I don’t even think its malice or greed, I think NBC is just incompetent. They bottled the Olympics and they bottle every sport they broadcast (the Notre Dame homer in my office just figured out what Peacock is…oh boy). Fundamentally, NBC is a Comcast company, meaning they have no idea how to actually please their customers because that has never been their business.

  111. Don Freeman

    August 10, 2021 at 3:49 pm

    Where is word of goal zone or goal rush on peacock premium for same time kickoffs as there will be 5 10 am eastern kicks this Saturday? Will it be available as the premier league has gone back to multiple games in 1 window this season?

  112. Kevin

    August 10, 2021 at 2:10 pm

    “Not sure what was wrong with the original formula – EPL all weekend on NBCSN, with an NBC game.”

    Well, cable is dying and even Comcast knows that. NBCSN won’t even exist in 2022. Comcast needs products with a good (and valued) following to boost their streaming platform so matches go to Peacock exclusively to pick up more subscribers. Not ideal for the cable subscriber but then again I still remember the days of live weekend matches on PPV only so…

  113. Ra

    August 10, 2021 at 12:48 pm

    @Hans. Great article. I personally think that ESPN is now more likely to go all-in after the UPL. They have subscriber targets to hit and deep pockets. They probably need another boost now. Without Messi, they may reconsider and go more aggressively after the EPL, even if it was not part of the original strategy.

  114. UnitedFan 3478

    August 10, 2021 at 12:48 pm

    Good thing NBC is unlikely to keep the EPL 🙂 Let’s hope ESPN/Fox is the new home, perhaps ESPN+ can stream all the games that are on ABC, ESPN, ESPN2, and ESPN Deportes, and there can also be games on Fox, FS1, and Fox Deportes. I would really rather have a joint ESPN/Fox bid over NBC, also because then I would only need ESPN+ for the EPL, Carabao Cup, and FA Cup and Paramount+ for the UCL.

  115. Hans

    August 10, 2021 at 12:32 pm

    Found this most interesting article from the Verge and it may shine a bit of light on what many of us would like to know who airs the 2022/2023 PL season. below are a few highlights from the article.
    www (dot) theverge (dot) com/2021/8/9/22617399/peacock-olympics-streaming-whats-next

    With the Olympics over, Peacock needs to figure out what’s next? It hasn’t given viewers much of a reason to stick around after the Games.

    Peacock very much acts like a broadcast network offering users more of the content they might expect to watch on NBC. Richard Broughton, a research director at Ampere Analysis, to which he adds “Peacock’s content offering and its original strategy look like a broadcast network,”…”But it’s likely to drive people towards the ad-funded tier as opposed to premium.”

    Roberts (chairman and CEO of Comcast) said during the earnings call that the company remains “optimistic” about its future programming slate, which includes the 2022 Beijing Winter Olympics, Monday Night Football, originals, and pay-one streaming rights to Universal films after they debut in theaters beginning in 2022.

    Interestingly in the entire article many sports events are mentioned but not ONCE was soccer or the PL mentioned.

    Finally Broughton (a research director at Ampere Analysis) said Peacock is now faced with a decision about whether it wants to compete with the deep-pocketed, major players in streaming like Netflix, Amazon, HBO Max, Disney Plus, and Apple TV trying to grab subscriber dollars, or whether it wants to compete more like price-sensitive but ad-supported services like Hulu. That said, Broughton argued that Peacock’s hybrid model will allow it to experiment with what’s working and “test out a few different strategies without fully committing from day one.”

    You can read into this what you want, but it doesn’t look to me like they are all in for the PL.

  116. MAHLUF

    August 10, 2021 at 12:16 pm

    Looks like a headline that Kartik wrote – how misleading can you be?

  117. Mercator

    August 10, 2021 at 11:18 am

    NBC is so annoying. Looking at the schedule it looks like some improvement, everything on NBCSN except the big NBC game. Then why are the early games only on Peacock? Huge EPL fan but you are begging me to start the weekend off with the Bundesliga or La Liga. Not sure what was wrong with the original formula – EPL all weekend on NBCSN, with an NBC game. No channel changing, no messing with Peacock. Every time I have to change the channel or flip to peacock, I’m check for other games on ESPN and may not be back.

    Oh well. I will still watch the Arsenal and City/United/Chelsea stepped up in the market big time up, so should be a fantastic season. Excited to have Dixon and Le Saux back after so much amateur punditry over the summer tournaments.

  118. Ra

    August 10, 2021 at 10:51 am

    Guys, it is Comcast. You should assume the worst-case scenario. By ‘select’ they reserve the right of not streaming any from NBCSN.
    It is funny to see how burdensome the process is and many still defend NBC. Typical Stockholm syndrome… 🙂

  119. Michael

    August 10, 2021 at 10:31 am

    @Michael F this is essentially my question. Last year all matches were eventually available on demand via Peacock. This year it seems unclear. See this text from the Peacock site FAQ.

    “live coverage of exclusive matches and on-demand replays* of select matches.” The “of select matches” part is concerning.

    Source:
    “Can I watch the 2021-22 season of Premier League on Peacock” question on the Peacock site.

  120. Michael F

    August 10, 2021 at 10:07 am

    @Kevin Correct. Although i would add that Peacock does stream the complete matches of these cable/sat subscription matches later in the day. Typically by 9pm eastern they show up.

  121. Kevin

    August 10, 2021 at 9:57 am

    “Can we get some clarification on if “ALL” premier league matches will be available via Peacock Premium?”

    **This season, Peacock will stream all games airing on the NBC broadcast network live.**

    NBC over-the-air channel. Matches on NBCSN, USA, CNBC will continue to be cable/sat/subscription only and not ‘over the top’ on Peacock.

  122. Michael F

    August 10, 2021 at 9:56 am

    If you look at Christopher Harris’ response to David above, he makes it clear. The answer to the quote below this paragraph, is only matches on over-the-air broadcast NBC will also be live on Peacock. All other matches aired live on linear cable networks NBC Sports Network or CNBC or USA Network would be available via delayed stream only on Peacock later in the day, as was last season. And of course, Peacock has other EPL matches aired live exclusively.

    “This season, Peacock will stream all games airing on the NBC broadcast network live.”

  123. Kevin

    August 10, 2021 at 9:55 am

    Man is that ever a ‘be careful what you wish for’

  124. Michael

    August 10, 2021 at 9:44 am

    Can we get some clarification on if “ALL” premier league matches will be available via Peacock Premium? I know some will be available live. But I’m wondering if “ALL” matches will be available eventually on Peacock Premium. The NBC press release was unclear. Thank you.

  125. locofooty

    August 10, 2021 at 9:38 am

    Players take a knee silently (silently!) for 60 seconds and people get offended. Bye, the EPL will not miss you.

    @UnitedFan I can’t see ESPN doing that having La Liga, Bundesliga and lower leagues for the next 6-8 years. What are the EPL’s objectives in the next rights cycle? How does streaming come into play? It will be interesting.

  126. Soccer Watcher

    August 10, 2021 at 8:53 am

    And so it will be another season for me not watching the EPL. Can’t support a league that continues to support hate, destruction, and terrorism by bending the knee to support those who perform those acts.

  127. UnitedFan3478

    August 10, 2021 at 8:33 am

    So this is the final year? If so, I can’t wait for ESPN to get the EPL 🙂

  128. Ra

    August 10, 2021 at 6:47 am

    I’ll skip EPL this year, thank you. Maybe next year if all games are on streaming.
    I already have 2,000+ matches to choose from with Paramount+ and ESPN+.

  129. Hans

    August 10, 2021 at 1:31 am

    I presume it will be like last year full match replays of all games that aired live on the cable channels, however when they will appear on Peacock+ is another story. Last year some were not available until many hours later some had a wait time of > than 8 hours.
    Just keep a look out of where the games will be aired for the 2022/2023 season and the provider might change.

  130. Brian

    August 10, 2021 at 12:17 am

    Will Peacock have full match replays of games that originally aired live on NBCSN and the other NBC cable properties, or will Peacock have full match replays only of games that were available live on Peacock?

  131. Michael F

    August 9, 2021 at 11:24 pm

    @SaintsFan. I think you misunderstood that. What it is saying is Peacock will stream (later in day) every match aired live on NBC sports network.

  132. David

    August 9, 2021 at 11:23 pm

    For the Gaffer:
    This is unclear – “Peacock will stream all games airing on the NBC broadcast network live.”
    Does this mean airing on big NBC. or both bigNBC, CNBC, NBCSN, etc?

    • Christopher Harris

      August 10, 2021 at 7:06 am

      Big NBC only

  133. SaintsFan

    August 9, 2021 at 10:57 pm

    Peacock showing every game live? That seems a little under the radar considering that is quite a game changer.
    No need for a cable/sat./streaming thing like Dish or Sling to watch every game live. Just a Peacock subscription.
    Everton 0 Saints 1. Joint top of the league.

  134. Don Dickerson

    August 9, 2021 at 10:50 pm

    Another year without The Premier League for me. I mean I haven’t had a live tv service for years and don’t plan on it as of now because of the price. Why can’t they give us all the matches on Peacock and just put whatever they want on the Cable side.

  135. Michael

    August 9, 2021 at 10:32 pm

    Who has the American rights after NBC?

  136. Jackie Martling

    August 9, 2021 at 9:49 pm

    Any chance of Sky Sports News running on the Peacock app? NBC/Universo/Comcast now own Sky, why not open it up here?

    The daily airings of Sky Sports News on NBCSN at 11:00 am is greatly appreciated, but often bumped by other programming (Olympics, Mecum Auto Auctions – yikes!)

  137. locofooty

    August 9, 2021 at 9:34 pm

    Thanks for the sched…you have Peacock listed for the Everton vs. Saints match.

  138. Justin

    August 9, 2021 at 9:29 pm

    This 60-year-old white male West Texan appreciates the players taking a knee. Guys who look like me need to be reminded that other folks don’t have the automatic respect we get whether we deserve it or not.

  139. Karlos

    August 9, 2021 at 8:46 pm

    I agree. Let me enjoy my Sports escape without politics. If iI want politics I know where fox news or cnn are located!

    BTW – NBC is a mess with all the different channels! Makes it hard to cut the cord and they buy Peacock too. And ESPN plus and Paramount!

  140. Lee Gaucher

    August 9, 2021 at 6:57 pm

    Arlo White’s style is insufferable.

    The EPL has already announced that all twenty team captains have agreed to continue “taking the knee” this season.

  141. John Culea

    August 9, 2021 at 6:18 pm

    Great to see Lee Dixon calling all three games this weekend. He is NBCSN’s best color commentator while Jon Champion and Peter Drury are neck-and-neck for top play-by-play. Arlo White is OK.
    I wish that Alan Perry was used.
    Rebecca Lowe does an excellent job in the studio.
    Not likely to happen but I’m one who will not be disappointed if the players stop “taking a knee.” Political garbage in sport is an automatic yellow card.

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