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There’s no consistency in the presentation of soccer games. They range from NBCSN to ESPN + to ‘ Sports Gold’ and PlayStation. I suggest you put the FA Cup Games on FoxSN and the Premier League on NBCSN. As to the Euro and Championship games, find a regular channel for them. I do not see why I have to pay to see games on my computer (small screen) when I outlay almost $200 a month for Comcast, Xfinity and Time Warner. Signed ‘old disgruntled City fan’ Rex Hearn.
Great comment. I pay a tons of money for the cable ($270/month) and I want to watch every soccer game in the TV. Whoever does not pay for cable lets pay for ESPN+ or NFL Gold, but do not force me to watch the games in my Apple watch, since I pay enough money to enjoy watching them in the TV. I am an Arsenal fan and I see all its game are now shown in the NBC gold.
Agreed, I too am a Gooner and have to search around to see where I can watch all the games i possibly can. Although, I disagree with the previous comment that ‘ALL’ Arsenal games are shown through NBC Sports Gold app.
Premier League games are on NBCSN (or other affiliated channels) & NBC Sports Gold (which is another $49.99/yr)
Europa League games are shown on the ‘Absolute Shite’ B/R app ($2.99/match or $9.99/month) along with their very poor commentary team (usually only 1 person).
Champions League games are also shown on the B/R app, with the occasional games being shown on TNT.
FA Cup games are available through ESPN, but only through their ESPN+ app ($4.99/month)
And finally, the League Cup (Carabao Cup) is also only viewable through the ESPN+ app.
All of the above apps require the ability to stream and not all smart TV ‘s have them all. I had to buy a Roku last year, as my Samsung TV;s would not support NBC Sports Gold. All of these costs add up as everyone wants a piece of the pie! If you’re like me, you want to watch all the games and you have to pay the price.
It still sucks though.
Gooner checking in –all Prem clubs are exclusively on Gold at a minimum of 3x a year. I think the frequency of the Project Restart matches and their inability to roll over to CNBC means they are going to be forced to putting some unusual match-ups on Gold.
Wow another crazy comment on here, so these different leagues and associations in different countries should all get together with the U.S. TV and streaming networks, forget out about who is paying more for rights and the networks should forget about their other programming and revenue and they should put it all on one channel and all lose money TO GROW THE GAME!!!!!!!!!!!!! and make WST commentors happy.
Also it’s 2019, you do know there are tons of ways to see streaming on a TV right??? You should get with the times.
+ + + Agree with Payasos! I would love to know who Rex Hearn and Vasil think they are addressing with their “suggestions” . . . the Grand Master of all soccer broadcasts worldwide???? Over-riding all franchise and broadcaster agreements? For the record I want all dramas and comedies from Amazon, Hulu and Netflix to be merged into one channel, because I don’t like paying three subscriptions. And all British shows from PBS, BritBox, and Acorn TV put onto BBC America, so that I don’t have to search for them and have them conveniently in one place. Oh, and all college basketball broadcasts cancelled, because I hate the game and it clutters up the menus on my TiVo
Chris. I love your humor,! Rex Hearn 88, City fan since 7 !!
Get directv now app. $35/month, invludes all the main sports channels including nbcsn, tnt, galacision, univision, foxsports. Best decision i ever made cutting cable and switching.
I totally agree with Rex . FIX IT !!!!
I’m sure they will get right on that for you!!!!!!!!!!!!
Are all Premier League teams playing on May 4th and May 12th? The 12th is Decision Day so that is a definite. But does the 2nd to last week also have all the teams playing in one day? Kind of like a Decision Day preview? Except all games are not on TV networks. Decision Day they are.
My cable shows Leicester v Burnley on Sat. 3/16 on NBCSN. Guess they are shuffling things with the FA Cup games?
Hi Tom, NBCSN has moved things around so the Leicester-Burnley game will be on NBCSN.
Chris.
I have tried on various occasions of finding a site; if any, that would allow me to watch all of Arsenal’s games with no success.
Is there any venue that allows for subscription?
I’ve read that The Gold and BR live don’t offer much quality.
Could you also advise on the same topic for Barcelona. I watched the majority of their games on Fubo and then had a major problem cancelling their service. The BBB of New York stated that there were numerous complaints about the company.
Thank You.
Mike Borelli
Hi Mike, if you want to watch every single Arsenal game this season, you’ll need:
ESPN+ — To watch FA Cup and League Cup games
Premier League — You’ll need a streaming platform that offers NBC and NBCSN (as well as CNBC)… we recommend Sling Blue with World News Extra add-on
NBC Sports Gold Premier League Pass — For access to all of the Premier League games not televised
B/R Live — To watch all of the Arsenal games in the Europa League
If you want to watch every single Arsenal game this season, you’ll need:
LaLiga – To watch all of the games on beIN SPORTS and beIN SPORTS en Español, you can subscribe to Sling Blue plus Best of Spanish TV or Fanatiz (or other streaming services)
B/R Live — To watch all of the Barcelona games in the Champions League
For Barcelona games, your best bet to make sure you don’t miss anything is to bookmark our LaLiga TV schedule page (which includes all Barcelona games in all competitions): https://worldsoccertalk.com/la-liga-tv-schedule/
Same applies to Arsenal at https://www.worldsoccertalk.com/premier-league-tv-schedule
Is there a reason why the first home game at the new Tottenham Hotspur Stadium isn’t being shown by NBCSN? Why show a game that is a nailed on home win (Man City) instead?
Hello Doc,
I agree with you 100% I’m sure there is going to be a beautiful opening ceremony at the new stadium. It’s also a London Derby. This is NBC Sports we’re talking about, remember. What in the world do they know about the EPL or professional football in general?
Sky Sports News has been on NBCSN for a month now. I wonder if NBCSN learned anything from them?
Probably has more to do with it turning towards the end of the season and Manchester City and Liverpool are in a title race. I’d expect those two to be on TV whenever possible from here on out unless one of them builds a very sizable lead (doubtful).
It seems that they listened! Well done NBCSN!
Are NBC sports gonna use 10 networks for next week of championship Sunday. Just like last year or not ?
Yes. Check out the TV guide for more info: https://worldsoccertalk.com/premier-league-tv-schedule/
This year won’t be on E!, Bravo, and Oxygen channel this Sunday.
Now this is Golf channel and streaming of 2 matches on NBC Sports.com and app
Great, Liverpool on NBCSN the last Sunday. Can stream that, won’t be able to stream NBC. Hopefully, the matchup doesn’t swap if Leicester pulls off a shocker today.
Can any co-commentator experts help with this piece of detective work? Who was the NBC/fubo sidekick “color” commentator for the Bournemouth vs Spurs match last Saturday? WorldSTalk listed it as Kevin Kilbane but when I searched the name the person who came up had a completely different voice. It also does not seem to be Joe Speight who was listed as the main play by play commentator, or at least his name was listed first.
I’m obviously not someone who follows the different talent employed for Prem games etc. They mostly seem very good and add to the enjoyment of watching, but this guy has the perfect voice for his profession and I kinda like the way the timbre or inflection of his voice often reflects the actions he’s describing, admittedly not really heard in this clip. Thanks to anyone who can correctly identify the voice.
The NBC Sports highlights clip link is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRhYKSAdIqU
The co-commentator in that clip is Clive Allen.
NBC has increased he price of Gold to $65 and it appears That the normal NBC Sports package might not have on demand games anymore (because gold is now touting it as a feature).
It’s been quiet on here about NBC’s update to the Gold app. The information released is vague but my understanding of it is that no on demand match replays will be available till after 9pm ET. That would be a big disappointment for me. It’s hard avoiding scores that long and if you watch something on ESPN in the meantime then you have all the scores and news flashing on the bottom. Kick in the teeth again for supporters of clubs outside the so called Big 6. Anyone able to make sense of what is going on?
I think the only thing that is vague is whether the exclusive games will be available on demand before 9 PM. Otherwise, it seems pretty straightforward. $40 gets you 140 mid and lower tier matches or upper tier mid-week games live (and only live). $65 gets you the On Demand for all 380 games in addition to the 140 exclusive live games, plus additional football programming fluff (or not fluff if you have no Cable/Sat/IPTV).
$65 isn’t a bad price, but it does come with some risk. Used to be easy to avoid spoilers for the EPL.
I contacted NBC and they said matches exclusive to Gold would be available soon after the final whistle. The national games on NBCSN, etc, would not be available till 9pm ET. Hopefully this is how it turns out but you never know
Oh, I really hope this 9PM nonsense isn’t true for Gold subscribers. I am in the same boat, I need to watch all EPL games on demand and avoid spoilers, so waiting until 9 PM isn’t going to work. I didn’t like that they raised the price, but I will accept it, but not any other changes.
The Leicester – Wolves game has been moved to Sunday according to the Premier League website
What is my best choice in purchasing a program to watch all of the Arsenal games? Is that even possible.
Thank You.
You can subscribe to NBC Sports Gold Premier League Pass to access every Arsenal game. More info is at https://worldsoccertalk.com/2019/07/09/nbc-makes-big-changes-nbc-sports-gold-premier-league-packages/
Any of the games that are on TV will be delayed on NBC Sports Gold. But you’ll get on-demand access to the match hours after it ends.
It’s not what I would want from a streaming package.
#MyPLMorning…. Is it just me or is this so cringeworthy? I dont care that Scott in Kansas is sitting with his baby in Chelsea gear watching the game on TV, or Dan in Florida has dressed up his dog. They put on the screen that an ex Cinncinnati Bengals WR has tweeted he is excited to watch the game and we got a full screen picture of JJ Watts dogs sitting next to a swimming pool. We then got lots of Rebecca Lowe rating peoples breakfasts. I don’t have the vocabulary to describe how awful this is. Someone make them stop. Please.
Greg – I agree with you 100% It’s childish. ”Rebecca Lowe rating peoples breakfasts” Perhaps she’s auditioning to work for the Food Network. Don’t expect NBC to improve. The Peacock network has shown it’s true colors.
Get real guys, they are trying to attract a broader audience, which is all good for the game in the US. It’s entertainment, and it is NOT at the expense of good feedback and analysis of the games.
Does anyone know if the Norwich/Watford match will be available on the app after the live stream, or must one watch it live? Thanks!
Normally you can watch on delay but obviously I personally can’t guarantee that for this game.
Sometimes it will take a while for it to show up after the live game has finished. Usually after an hour it should appear. Come on Norwich. Sucks that they didn’t put this Friday night game on TV.
I am watching the replay of the Sheffield United vs Manchester United game on MU Tv on Roku. The video quality is outstanding, the way a premier league game should be seen. I then saw the Spanish replay of the Chelsea game on the Nbc Sports app and the video quality was less than stellar. Let’s say it was atrocious, why oh why is their video quality not up to snuff? If you have the Premier League then your app should be pristine video quality. They have eye money and the resources. They are charging for Gold and yet MU TV has way better quality, as does Espn Plus. It’s like they do it on purpose so you can have cable. Ok I’m done, just felt it needed to be said.
NBC Sports gets a little lazy with the video quality because they know that no other tv network in the United States has any plans to buy the rights to broadcast the PL anytime in the near future.
You may be right
Can somebody please teach the idiots at NBC about what full match stats are. I’ve noticed this many times, but today for example after the Arsenal v Manchester United game, Rebecca Lowe asked to see the (full match stats) instead the control room ignored her request and put something totally different on the screen. This happens quite often. She never persists and changes the subject or cuts to a commercial break.
Is Liverpool vs United at 11:30 or 12:30EST on Sunday?
11:30AM ET.
At least you can watch ALL GAMES ie PREMIER LEAGUE , UEFA, ETC in the US
I had a subscription for all games in Australia and it has been cancelled – NO MORE LIVE STREAMING – ALL GONE !!
How lucky are you guys !!!
Is Liverpool scheduled to play on Sundays this season? I can’t watch them on Sundays.
Due to the virus, soccer watchers are at the mercy of network TV. Watching ‘Goal Zone’ for an hour or two gets to be boring with its goal a minute progress. Fun at first but boring. Why not re-broadcast games from this season’s Premier League. A second sighting could be most instructive. Also, when the League starts up, why not run the words the fans sing across the bottom of the screen. I’m sure someone has written a book with all the various rallying cries notated. Is that a good idea. I’m aware there may be some ‘rude’ words used – bleep them out ! Rex Hearn, 89, Manchester City
supporter since 7.
Run all the Premier League team’s songs, chants, rallying cries etc, along the bottom of television screens at each game. Surely after all these years some enterprising fan has collected them in book form to which you may refer. Bleep out the ‘bad’ words.
We understand ! Rex Hearn. 89, Manchester City supporter since 7.
Love that we have the start of a fixture list. Just wondering about your source? NBCSN’s listings don’t look to go up to the first weekend and (at least Man Utd’s) the club official sites still have games ‘to be confirmed.’
Not trying to be argumentative. Just wanting some info. Thanks very much.
Hi Ian, the clubs and NBC Sports (as well as other media outlets) wait until everything is officially announced before publishing the schedules. We’re an independent news organization so we have no ties to the TV companies or clubs or leagues, so we can often publish the schedules ahead of anyone else.
I’m expecting the schedule to feature more games on NBC, but we should have more details in the next week.
Makes sense & appreciated.
Tbh, less worried about channel, more concerned with dates & kickoff times. So, in the case of Utd, if 3pm on the 19th is for sure/good to go, that’s what I’ve been waiting (im)patiently for. Thanks again.
Isn’t the Liverpool v Palace game on 23 June on Telemundo instead of Universo. It says that it is on Telemundo in the official Premier League app and I am just wanting to make sure that it is true
Hi Steven, the Liverpool-Palace game is on Universo, not Telemundo. Sometimes the official Premier League app has the wrong listings.
Will the Peacock games next Sunday be on Gold as well or is Brighton-Newcastle on Monday the swan song for live games on Gold?
Yes, the Peacock games on Sunday will be on Gold as well. Brighton-Newcastle will be on Peacock and Gold also. But it’s very likely that 2 games on the final day of the season, July 26, will be on Peacock/Gold. We won’t know which ones yet until probably Wednesday 7/22 or Thursday 7/23.
I was curious to see if the replays of games today would pop up on Peacock and how you’d find them, if you’d be able to watch them without being spoiled. I have Gold but wanted a preview of how long I’ll have to wait next season to see these replays. So far–almost 7 ET–there’s nothing. Not sure if that’s indicative of anything or if they’re not putting replays up today (I got the $29.99 special Premium deal).
It’ will be the same stupid rules next year unfortunately. Replays for all matches will be available after 9 pm ET. I tried the Gold this year, but never had enough discipline to not look up the scores until 9 pm. I will not sign up for package next season.
https://soccer.nbcsports.com/2020/07/15/premier-league-peacock-how-to-watch-fixtures/
“NBC Sports and Peacock will present more than 175 exclusive Premier League matches on Peacock Premium in the 2020-21 season. In total, Peacock Premium will present more than 1,500 hours of Premier League live match and shoulder programming – the most robust offering ever available in the U.S. Included are full-event replays for all 380 matches on-demand (after 9 p.m. ET).”
Here in the U.S. a company called DON BEST publishes the official schedules for Baseball, Football, Hockey and Basketball. IT makes it very easy to track your wagers, post the odds, track different sportsbooks to select the best odds. ETC. Do you know if there is anything like that published in the U.K. I would love to subscribe to it as it would make wagering on the games less time consuming and more enjoyable. I would imagine if there is they also might publish for the German, and other Premier level leagues. Thanks for any help you can give me.
According to Wave Broadband’s schedule the August Europa League games will be now be on Galavision not Unimas.
Anyone know why the date/time decisions for even just September’s EPL games are being made apparently via sundial? I would’ve thought they’d have been out same day as the fixtures themselves.
Sky Sports picks the games for their television broadcasts, which sometimes require approval from police for games that are derbies or matches that are considered to be more dangerous requiring additional police protection for fans. The process takes time.
How many Premier League soccer fans are now screwed out of watching games – even when willing to pay additional monthly streaming fees – when most games have gone to ‘streaming’ on Peacock but Peacock owners refuse the App to Amazon Fire Stick and Roku users because Peacock, Amazon, and Roku refuse to come to agreement terms. Peacock blames Amazon and Roku and Amazon and Roku blame Peacock. I blame all three of them because they have cheated a huge number of Premier soccer fans from a great deal of pleasure. A pox on all three of these selfish organizations!
And they’re dropping the NBCSN app on Roku. That means I’m paying for things and can’t access them. It’s just infuriating. I am paying for two subscriptions through NBC Sports Gold. If they remove that App from Roku I’m going to insist upon refunds for those subscriptions and cancel Peacock, which I am already paying for. I’ll be done.
I only know that for years I enjoyed matches on NBCSN. I don’t have or want any other source; being on a fixed income does that to a person! It’s just more money for what you already had to begin with. They took it away, now you have to pay to get it? I think you call that extortion!? And I’ve read lots of negative comments about Peacock. I’ll just be happy with what I am able to get on NBCSN and NBC. At least this Saturday and Sunday I actually will get 3 each day; unless that changes between now and then!!! 🙁
Can anybody find a phone number to call Peacock for live help? Their pop up “help” chat makes me pick a topic and then finally gives me a chance to type my issue. From then on it keeps repeating the same messages: “Sorry, I can’t answer direct questions yet” and “Pick a topic and I’ll take you to the right place.” It’s just a bot which cannot go beyond that.
I mentioned before to very wary of giving them your credit card information. I signed up for the monthly $4.99 deal (this after they cut short my free trial after one brief visit). Then they billed me an additional total of $99.99 for premium and plus. Now they don’t even have proper billing support access. Rip off artists. Even if I get my $ back this ain’t ******* worth it for the trouble and crap service.
You can reach Peacock customer service through an online form:
https://www.peacocktv.com/help/web-to-case
So apparently, if you want to watch the reigning EPL champs, you need Peacock at the moment. Maybe in November I can watch Liverpool.
I noticed that!!! I only have seen them once on NBCSN. A real shame. Like I tell everyone, it was fun while it lasted! 🙁
It appears that Mercum Top 10 and US Poker Open 2019 (yes, 2019…) is priority over Liverpool v Arsenal on NBCSN.
Looks like Christopher Harris was right. NBC is screwing over its cable subs a bit more this year.
Chris: thanks for the link. I left a message for Peacock in their text box explaining being charged for both monthly & annual. WTF! My bank’s fraud dept. agrees I have a case, to be activated early Oct if I don’t get resolution through the vendor directly.
I caution people again to be wary of this vendor. Do you want the shock of being wrongly charged? The hassle of dealing with an organization that hides its phone number? Whose chat line appears inoperative? Other contact info made difficult to obtain? Even the investigator writing up the case noted difficulty reaching them. Do you have the time and disposition to deal with such problems for such a poor service? Addiction to our team comes at a high price with P/cock. Will report outcome.
Hi Rye, NBC Sports and Peacock are a legitimate organization. They’re not trying to trick anyone. Obviously it looks like an error occurred with your experience.
Many companies make it difficult to find their phone number. Try looking for Google’s phone number for their customer service!
Have you contacted NBC Sports/Peacock via e-mail at support@nbcsports.com or their phone number at 833-888-6227?
Why are some replay on demand games Spanish only?????
So I’m trying to introduce a friend to the Premier League but Peacock means that we can’t watch matches like United/Arsenal at her house.
I already pay for Peacock Premium but, unlike every other non-HBO service, it is difficult to watch Peacock outside of the home. My friend has an old Roku and a Amazon fire stick, so the app is unavailable. And she is a Comcast customer.
Does NBC really want to just give up on building a US PL fambase? This match should be on NBC, not hidden to ensure casual fans don’t get into the League. But if you are paying for it then it should be available wherever you want to watch it.
To be clear, I’m happy to pay for these matches. But NBC is making it very difficult for me to share my love of the game with others.
A quick update on my Peacock tribulation. Good news. Thanks to Chris H. giving me Peacock’s email I received the overcharge refund. The sign up process was clunky, user unfriendly, and I had no confirmation that it went thru. So I tried again but this time more cautiously opting for the monthly, as my confidence in Peacock ebbed. Bingo… access to the Prem! I received the monthly charge, but later also got charged for the whole year for the failed sign up. My error was that, in my initial frustration to get activated, I must have entered my email incorrectly. So they were also charging me for that service, feeding to nobody or someone lucky! It was the result of a harried fan being careless out of frustration, but why not install a system that would require email validation?
Man City v Liverpool is on Peacock this weekend.
Really!?!?!?!
I get what they’re doing, trying to drive sign-ups with Peacock, but I’d worry they’re going to erode their more casual fanbase and see overall viewing numbers start to drop. Eventually the casual viewer who doesn’t have Peacock will see the games on NBC/NBCSN and say, “Nah,” and just watch or do something else.
Combine that with all the Champions League games on a streaming service, and so many of the “big teams/games” that the casual viewer is drawn to, and I worry that general American interest in not just the Premier League but European football in general will slowly start to dissipate and you’ll be left with just the hard-core fans.
Hi Chris,
You’ve got West Ham playing twice this weekend and no mention of the Villa game, which is what I’m looking for.
is this listing sponsored by peacock premium? all games on Monday 28th are on NBCSN, Brighton Arsenal on the 29th is on NBCSN, Spurs Fulham on the 30th is on NBCSN, did they just recently change this. Looks like Peacock Premium subscribers have been screwed over??
Liverpool v Man United on Peacock, 1st and 2nd in the league, say it isn’t true !! How greedy is that ? Just using it to force in new Peacock viewers !! I have Peacock, but I don’t want to watch this game on my IPad. I hope they lose the next Premier League contract.
@Rebecca it is very interesting you would hope NBC loses the EPL contract to another provider. I only say this because there are many cord cutters that hope this same thing happens — but only so they can actually watch a top level match like this one via a stream only service (like Peacock).
There are currently unhappy campers on both sides and I don’t think another provider is going to fully make both parties happy. Not as long as providers know that their traditional cable networks still draw a significant revenue stream, yet also can do so via their separate stream-only service. The transition to streaming only services has certainly gotten the ire of many — some wanting it to move faster and others wishing it wouldn’t happen.
The critics of NBC have been vocal, and I can understand that to a degree — but I can’t help but wonder if think these folks will get an unpleasant surprise if EPL did change providers. I think it won’t be much different. EPL is most watched euro soccer league in the US and any provider will do what they can to maximize their revenue possibilities.
@Rebecca You don’t have to watch this on your iPad there are several ways how you can watch this on Your big screen depending on your setup. 1st if you have a fairly new TV it may be possible to screen mirror directly to the TV. If you have a later model of the Roku devices with their latest software you can screen mirror to the Roku. If you have an Apple TV box you can airplay from your iPad to the TV. Finally buy from Amazon an HDMI adapter for your iPad it plugs in where you charge the iPad and then connect the iPad via an HDMI cable to a free HDMI port on your TV. You then control the start and end of the game from your iPad but the video and sound comes from your TV.
I do have an HDMI connector, but on Peacock and MUTV it continually freezes. I Have just bought a gen6 IPad and maybe this will do better. I pay for Peacock Premium on my old pad, how do I get to install it on my new one without having to pay twice?
@Rebecca You should definitely be able to see an option to just login to Peacock app with your current profile (do not sign up again) on the new iPad so as to not be recharged.
@Rebecca since Peacock allows multiple streams at the same time your old iPad installation will not prevent you from installing the app from the Apple App store and than being charged again. Just install the app and provide login credentials like email address and password.
As far as your freezing problem is concerned it could be that your WiFi connection to the iPad is not very good. Make sure that your WiFi connection is excellent (5 bars). Other users did complain that Peacock does buffer the stream too many times to their liking. So distinguish between buffering and freezing, buffering will show a twirling circle. I always have to make sure not to connect to my Routers 5GHz connection as somehow that one is not as good as my 2.4GHz connection.
Unless streaming apps such as Peacock can give the ability to watch on demand, with the freedom to delay the start of the game like with any game on DVR/Youtube TV we are going backwards. If I pay for the product I should be able to access the content whenever I want to, how I want to and at a time that best suits me. I don’t understand how this is hard when other platforms can manage it.
@LTx In other topics here it was hotly debated what you mentioned. Several factors contributed to the lack of features in the Peacock App. It was rushed to the market because Comcast/NBC was late to the streaming game and the start of the EPL season was upon us. There was no clear strategy how to present to the public the games as is evident by the dividing the matches between NBC, NBCSN and Peacock and than again a change in strategy by dropping 205 games from the On-Demand Peacock streaming. It all reeks a bit of an amateurish approach. All indications are that sometime this year after the 2020/2021 season ended further changes and moving more EPL content to Peacock are in the making. The whole rollout of the EPL broadcast feels a bit half baked and everyone hopes that either a decent Comcast/NBC solution or a change in rights owner will be implemented to the satisfaction of the EPL fans.
peacock? yuppies just don’t get it. why would i pay money to watch a game on a tiny computer or phone screen and deal with a buggy connection when i can watch on my 50 inch hi-def. is there a cadre of satan trolls who meet regularly and laugh at what lie they just sold some yolo fomo sucker. you know what their motto is, “if you ain’t changin’ your dying.”
I am so angry that I can’t watch the big game on NBCSN!!!!!!! Liverpool v. Man. Utd. on peacock now!!! Not going to pay anything when I already have cable that has NBCSN and NBC, I used to watch every single one that was on those channels, and there were a few on Gold, but I pay enough to my Cox Cable company. Now I am paying for less??? I don’t think so!!! We’re not made of money, especially these days!!!
It’s all a RIP, put it on ESPN+. Oldsters can’t afford all the Comcast and NBCSN is so expensive on it’s own. I don’t think Peacock is very realiable and isn’t carrying many some weeks and then several other weeks. Makes you dizzy trying to figure it out each week.
There is an error on the scheduling. On Sunday the 7th you show Wolverhampton v. Leeds and on Monday the 8th you show Leeds v. Crystal Palace.
As s Leicester City fan I was miffed there was no game scheduled so went to their site and see they are scheduled to play Sunday v. Woverhampton.
Otherwise keep up the good work!
https://twitter.com/pkafka/status/1359628828147142665
so NBCU-Warner potential merger? that would be hbomax and peacock together?
Next week’s Arsenal vs. Man City game on Peacock will have spanish comm by the Telemundo crew available for the first time.
Gaffer….the EPL schedule is missing games for this weekend? Thanks.
The schedule hasn’t been finalized yet. Life, for me, is more complicated with Peacock streaming more of the big games.
Do the brave thing everyone and cancel Peacock! Then they will have to implement a different model.
And then subscribe with Fubo who know is charging ~$70? They added twice international pkgs to our plans that we don’t want and raised the price twice by $5! That means, annually you’re paying ~$840 which is CRAZY!
Chris, NBC saying today that Leeds villa will only be on peacock Saturday
Thanks for catching that. Yesterday, they said the game would be on NBCSN. But Peacock it is.
Thanks for all you do Gaffer!
I love that all soccer fans are so literate. English as a soccer language wins every time.
Big sigh ! The Super League died before it arrived ! The people / fans as well, let
the greedy buggers know a thing or two by venting their distaste. Be on the alert
everyone, some smart alec tv exec will try other ways to extract more dollars from
‘the beautiful game’. And Oh, how pandering Super League were in burying mention that they would be doing the same for women’s soccer down the road. All my women friends spotted that caveat and laughed in disgust. Leave well alone , it’s half time and the game’s about to re-start.
Is network / cable tv dead? I pay Dish $*120 a month for third rate shows and reruns. Should I be just buying the individual streaming at $5.00 a pop?
The answer would be yes.
Here’s one example of what $25/month can offer you:
https://worldsoccertalk.com/2020/07/30/soccer-mega-pack-includes-epl-champions-league-laliga-and-mls-for-25-per-month/
Looks like all of the games on Tues and Wed are available through Peacock. The Peacock app also suggests like all of Sunday’s matches at the end of the season will be streamed on Peacock as well.
Looks like NBC sports championship Sunday will be all streaming on peacock and not on tv on liner networks.
…Other than CNBC, USA, Golf Channel, NBC, NBCSN…
Won’t be long until all EPL games are on Peacock as I expected when Peacock was launched, So now I have to buy a streaming TV? Wonderful.
Any news on EPL TV Rights? I believe it will be either ESPN/Fox (Just like the MLS) or Paramount+
There’s no way NBC will keep it
Moving to the US next week, so was wondering which are the best subscriptions to buy if I want to stream Premier League and Champions League games (specifically Chelsea) ?
Your best bet is the combo of
Paramount+ (for Champions League games)
Peacock (for Premier League games that are not televised and exclusive to streaming)
and either fuboTV or Sling Blue for the Premier League matches that are on NBCSN, USA or NBC channels.
You may want to look at this too –
https://worldsoccertalk.com/2020/07/30/soccer-mega-pack-includes-epl-champions-league-laliga-and-mls-for-25-per-month/
Is there any update on EPL TV Rights? I just want to hear that ESPN acquired the rights so that I can cancel my Peacock subscription.
We’re not going to post about updates to the Premier League TV rights until a deal is done, so your best place to go for the latest updates is to listen to our weekly podcast. We talk about it in the latest episode, and I’m sure we’ll talk about it in the next few too.
https://www.worldsoccertalk.com/podcast
@Michael F. For the record… LoL
I agree with you also that ESPN may prevent us completely of watching some EPL games without cable, should they acquire the rights.
I just saw that the France vs Finland game will be a ESPN2 exclusive. Did I have plans of watching this game? No. Does it piss me off? Absolutely!!
Any news on EPL TV Rights? I just want to finally hear that ESPN/CBS acquired the rights, because Peacock is really bad and I could save so much money a month by cutting Peacock and keeping ESPN+ and Paramount+. I don’t understand why is it taking so long for the EPL TV deal to be announced.
ESPN and CBS could’ve announced a deal by now. There’s no way NBC will keep the EPL, especially considering that the EPL would then be on the same networks as the FA Cup, Carabao Cup, EFL Championship, and UCL if ESPN and CBS were to acquire the rights.
Fox has nothing except for the Copa America, MLS, and World Cup. They have no chance to get the EPL.
Is there any news? I have been waiting forever for news on EPL TV Rights.
Comcast, which owns Sky, has renewed UK rights for the Premier League for another 3 years, why does anyone here think Comcast won’t also insist on retaining the US rights?
@SteveK In the UK, the EPL is on multiple broadcasters (Sky Sports, BT Sport) and those broadcasters also have other UEFA leagues.
Disney and ViacomCBS combined have every UEFA league except for the EPL.
If those 2 were to bid for the EPL, they would easily win the rights. Because then, the FA Cup and Carabao Cup would be on the same exact channel as the EPL, which is ESPN+
So would the UCL, on Paramount+
That’s why NBC is bad and will not renew the rights. Even Fox has no chance.
ESPN and CBS are the only ones who have a chance of getting the EPL.
@SteveK Why did they decide to cancel NBCSN? It doesn’t add up if they were all in.
They either are planning to go full steam on soccer streaming, which seems a sound strategy considering that all your competitors are already doing it or they are unlikely to offer a strong bid.
It just doesn’t make sense to buy a soccer property to drive cable subscriptions in the US. Everywhere else, yes. Here? No way.
Peacock is the future for sports overflow that’s why NBCSN is going away, prestige properties will still have a place on NBC and USA. And while BT Sport and Amazon have slices of the Premier League pie in the UK those are just slices, I believe Comcast and Sky still pay over 4 times what BT Sports does. That’s why I think Comcast is still all in here, at least until the Premier League gets all its ducks in a row to stream directly to consumers.
I don’t think Comcast cares one whit that peripheral cup competitions like FA/Carabao and lesser leagues are on rival streamers as long as they can position the PL as the jewel in the crown for US viewers (and advertisers, of course.)
To add to what SteveK just said, and I won’t pretend to believe I know for certain who gets the EPL rights beyond 2022, (like some here), but why would the Premier League want to be added to ESPN or CBS lineup that already has most other euro leagues, plus Champions and Europa?? Why would they want to be sharing time with providers and networks that can only give them shared time and shared resources, when right now they have an all-exclusive provider that gives them total priority and attention, with a live studio show that devotes a full day to it on match days?
I find it very funny that someone would suggest that “ESPN and CBS are the only ones who have a chance of getting the EPL” simply because they subjectively think NBC is bad. That’s like subjectively thinking your favorite soccer club will definitely win the domestic league title simply because they want to.
The EPL will want to do what’s best for them and what makes the most sense for obtaining more viewership and growing their league in the US. There are plenty of options aside from ESPN, CBS or NBC for them to explore… (i.e. Amazon Prime, Netflix to name a couple). They will certainly listen to any and all offers from providers and what their long term plan is to prioritize their league.
An additional comment to the cancelation of NBCSN. Obviously, people are not paying attention here and using this one strategic move to suggest that NBC is losing viewership to the EPL. The strategy of NBCSN being eventually demised makes total sense when you consider this 24 hour channel doesn’t have enough sports related programming today to fill its schedule and justify its viewership numbers. Plus the advent of Peacock streaming. As noted numerous times before (but ignored by some), the USA Network is in more households by way its more basic cable and live tv stream packages than NBCSN. Thus, the rationale is the EPL can be exposed to more viewers.
Btw… if anyone thinks NBC is losing viewership of the EPL, it was reported that the Liverpool/Chelsea match a couple of weeks ago was the fourth most watched EPL match in the USA ever.
Again… I am not suggesting or pretending to know what happens with the EPL rights beyond 2022, I am simply providing some facts that people conveniently leave out to add weight to their statements that are simply nothing but conjecture.
@Michael F. I am one that commented on the cancellation of NBCSN, but I did not imply that it is due to low EPL viewership numbers. However, it does imply that NBCSN had lower viewership overall, after all even NBC is smart enough not to cancel something successful. It may also speak to their unwillingness to further invest in sports properties to air in a channel like NBCSN. Their unwillingness to maintain it may be due to:
a) they are moving more content towards streaming. They still need to do a wholehearted commitment to Peacock if they want to see it grow. (It did have the Olympics, but just some bits, same with EPL. No blockbuster. Nobody really talks about it besides some EPL games.)
b) they will focus their investment elsewhere
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Michael, I am still looking forward to hearing your defense of Peacock/NBC for the blackout this weekend. 🙂
I’m basing the chances of EPL moving away from NBC based on how Chris and Kartik have approached the subject in various podcasts
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At 1st it was something like, well since ESPN got La Liga that means they’re probably out. EPL wouldn’t want to be a shared property on CBS, etc
Now, it’s IF ESPN gets EPL, or IF there’s a joint bid, etc. Also, that money is the main motivating factor and not necessarily dedicated time on over the air TV to grow the fanbase.
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With that change in tone over recent months, they must be hearing something, no longer a slam dunk for NBC.
@JP. Or… they are simply providing a subjective opinion of what they would like to see, since it’s not been a secret that Kartik especially has not been fond of NBC in recent years for whatever reason.
I don’t know this for a certainty specific to this site, but media will try to slant things to gain more click bait responses from those that like to make commentary and gather attention. And as per usual, the only ones we typically hear from on comment posts is those that don’t like something. So it’s easy to please those vocal ones.
I am just not convinced they are hearing anything to suggest they know definitively what is going to happen next with EPL rights.
@JP Also, with so many stars and interest now in EPL, why wouldn’t they want to be a shared property?
They are more likely to benefit from it now, especially if they get on ESPN+.
With the crisis in Barca and Barcelona, they would actually benefit from ‘ converting’ Barca/Real fans to the EPL.
I was never a fan of LaLiga but I would watch some matches. Because Barca, Real, and Juve are still backing the SuperLiga, I will not watch any of the 3. Period. I won’t even watch to see them fail, I am indifferent.
@MichaelF, if they are trying to generate clickbait why wouldn’t they have started earlier. The recent change in their stance that ESPN is not interested to “IF” they got EPL is kind of huge, and “IF” can hardly be called clickbait.
Not saying they know definitively what’s going to happen, just that it seems like the situation is more open than previous.
I don’t watch much EPL so really don’t care where they go, just chiming in.
@JP. Where have you been? This whole topic of NBC potentially losing the EPL rights beyond 2022 has been nothing but click bait for a number of years now on this site. It is easily THE most centered topic by all WST followers, and again… those not happy with something are the most vocal, repeating their displeasure over and over and over on any topic related to NBC articles posted on this site (even articles that have nothing to do with EPL contractural rights).
Here’s what seems more likely to me…I suspect when the PL worked behind the scenes with Comcast to rollover the UK rights deal for another 3 years, with Sky committing to another 4 billion pounds, they also privately agreed to let Comcast keep the US rights as long as they can agree on a fair market value. Inertia is very powerful.
Yeah, whoever gets the EPL rights for the next period of time will be who gets it. I thought I read we might not know until the spring. The sooner the better for me, so I can adapt if necessary. At this point, anyone but Fox and Turner. Everyone in play has the pockets, though Disney kind of got into trouble overpaying for things like the NFL, but seem to have reacquired the overbid bug.
@MichaelF, been here over 3 years!
I didn’t say the change of tone was in articles, it’s been on the podcasts itself. There are very few actual articles about the potential new holder for EPL rights. I think the one you have an issue with was Kartik saying why he thinks NBC has slipped, and so on. Nothing about actual EPL rights.
At the risk of wading in to a debate about NBC, I will comment that @MichaelF is probably about right with “NBCSN being eventually demised makes total sense when you consider this 24 hour channel doesn’t have enough sports related programming today to fill its schedule . . .”
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NBCSN (from Versus) and FS1/2 (from Speed/Fuel) started with the NBC and Fox desires to build their own ESPN partly in response to ESPN winning the CFB championship rights in 2008. Those strategies did not work, especially on the NBCSN side
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Running a 24-hour network requires a ton of content. NBCSN has very few studio shows to fill dead time (ESPN/FS1 each have shout shows during the day and ESPN still has many versions of Sports Center). NBCSN fills much of its time with old car auctions, old Ninja Warrior episodes, and even infomercials. There is no meaningful audience for that, so NBCSN commands $5/year/sub in carriage fees where ESPN commands $100/year/sub in carriage fees
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I add this context simply to note that the shutdown of NBCSN has little if anything to do with EPL. It is a consequence of the much broader interplay between NBC and ESPN
@dave, you are certainly right about the differences in NBCSN/FS2 compared to ESPN that don’t make it feasible for those to remain. I will add, however, that ESPN was once in a similar situation. With enough patience and will to bid on new rights as they emerge, no reason someone couldn’t actually compete with ESPN.
Now with the streaming/cable divide, makes little sense to invest so much in a cable channel with the thought of becoming a behemouth in 10 years in mind. But we have to remember there were days (early 90’s and even later) where ESPN was showing back to back to back to back to back reruns of SportsCenter all morning and either obscure sports in the afternoon if not past year NFL team highlights or half hour recaps of decade old NCAA Final Fours!
@dave @JP What I do not get is why Peacock will try to push a cable subscription with EPL.
If you want to charge, they should offer all games on Peacock.
I tried a single month in the last year and canceled my subscription after being infuriated by their policy.
They could get $5/mo from me, but they chose instead of trying to force me into a $65 cable subscription so that they could get <$2/mo. The USA is their most expensive network at a cost of $1.65/subscriber.
I would never do that. The only thing they achieved is a more creative myself.
I can still watch the EPL games I want, but they are not part of my solution.
It is a lose-lose scenario. I have the inconvenience of setting it up and they, of losing another subscriber.
@JP ESPN is always ahead. That’s how they became the most expensive channel in cable.
Now, with Disney heavily investing in the future with ESPN+, NBC wants to innovate by copying a ’90s model. They are a dinosaur.
It is funny that ESPN has the biggest to lose with cable decline and are also the ones more heavily investing in future business models. They want to future-proof themselves while Comcast dreams of the good ol’ days.
@JP. Thanks. I just think ANY negativity by Kartik regarding NBC will spark overall displeasure commentary on this site about NBC and its coverage of EPL matches on their linear networks and streaming service etc.
With regard to Kartik thinking the overall quality of NBC’s coverage of the EPL is slipping: This is incredibly subjective and I personally feel this opinion has no weight at all. Those that diligently follow the EPL for years (like myself) has not seen this ‘slippage’ and the quality of match days has been consistent. The Covid pandemic certainly impacted live studio Premier League Mornings at different locations, which is something everyone should expect it would. The NBC studio expertise and presence on match days never slipped in quality, with Rebecca Lowe being the gold standard for host. When Kyle Martino left, Tim Howard and Danny Higgenbotham replaced him. They actually added expertise and presence, not reduced. Their transfer window coverage continues to be the most thorough of any euro league coverage by any US provider. These are things never mentioned by Kartik when the topic of NBC and the premier league is a focus. Like many soccer followers on this site, Kartik jumps around and tries to watch as many matches from different euro leagues as possible. What he then misses, is what every viewer that focuses on EPL sees. It’s impossible to be completely objective when you are not watching all of what the provider offers throughout the match day.
On the podcast from a couple of weeks ago, Kartik was very positive about the transfer deadline day coverage, and watched it practically all day long.
https://worldsoccertalk.com/podcasts/the-boys-are-back-in-town-world-soccer-talk-podcast/
Thank you Chris. Admittedly, I missed the last couple of podcasts, so I appreciate that feedback.
Did Michael legit just unequivocally declare that he knows “what every viewer that focuses on EPL sees”? SCREAMING.
don’t forget the 24/7 PLTV channel on Peacock!!!
@Disco George. Yes I did. Perhaps that was a slight over exaggeration as I was typing quickly my thoughts. The point I was attempting to make should be clear however.
Love your profile name btw.
Money will talk, as usual. Especially in the times we are in of a pandemic, economic uncertainty and industry shifts.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-09-14/comcast-faces-2-billion-u-s-battle-for-premier-league-rights?sref=TXtONuyU
@Ra, it pains me to admit how good ESPN’s service is because I despise most of their personalities and past/current policy to try to make ESPN the story instead of just covering events.
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But, was shocked all of the US Open was on either ESPN3 or ESPN+ (or both). Was expecting the later rounds to be ESPN/ESPN2 exclusives. And the announcers (before the final) weren’t the usual suspects, quite refreshing.
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It’s also crazy the amount of college football they have available to stream live. I don’t care about this anymore, but know millions more do.
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The fact the NHL out of market package is going to be included in the base ESPN+ subscription and not an add on like UFC is also amazing. Still won’t believe it until I see it!
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Of course, goes without saying love all their soccer coverage, and their platform is currently the best.
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Yes, they are in prime position to do very well even if the cable model disappears. Know more price increases are on the way in coming years. Only hope when they do move all their prime/expensive properties like NBA to streaming they have a pricing structure that allows us to pay for what we want instead of passing on the costs to everyone.
Carefully sticking my toe into this comment stream and trying to offer a simple opinion of what may matter to the EPL and how that may influence where the rights go. The EPL doesn’t care who airs the games as long as points 2 & 3 are met.
1. Unless we are privy of the replies from interested parties bidding for the rights, everything is speculation or hopeful wishes.
2. EPL’s priority is brand growth as was the case with La Liga and why ViacomCBS got it.
3. EPL wants to increase their profits.
Only the EPL knows what is best in their interest and we don’t know which has priority here cable channels, TV stations or streaming. However since the EPL investigated years ago into their own DTC service, it looks like they place a high value on streaming.
The dilemma how to settle this problem requires a drastic step perhaps equivalent to ripping of the band aid from the festering wound of loosing cable subscribers. I totally agree with the statement from Matt Belloni former editor of The Hollywood Reporter and an entertainment lawyer:
“When the epitaph for broadcast television is written, it won’t be streaming video that is credited as the killer; it’ll be the networks’ inability to adapt to an on-demand ecosystem and co-exist with (and even capitalize on) what streaming does well”.
For me it looks like from the present setup Comcast/NBC have yet to find a solution to adapt to the on-demand ecosystem and implement what streaming does best. However that may change in 2022.
The United Rugby Championship who established their own streaming service for the 2021/2022 season just published their subscription prices $25 for a weekend pass and $140 for a season pass for 151 games (16 teams). OUTRAGEOUS. But an indication of where things may be heading.
@Hans I agree – EPL is testing the waters with streaming because they know that is how the model will evolve.
Another indication is that EPL just did a deal for broadcasting EPL in Latin America.
I don’t know the details about other countries, but for Brazil, ESPN just got the rights for EPL after ~10 years.
They stated that every single EPL game will be on streaming and the announcer kept saying during the match, how the future has arrived and this is the new way of experiencing all the great Disney sports properties.
Regardless of who gets the rights, I believe all games will be on streaming starting next season.
The other risk for EPL is that people watch EPL despite Peacock/NBCSN, while many are watching LaLiga, Bundesliga, or Eridivise because of ESPN and Serie A because of UCL/Paramount.
I think that by pigeonholing themselves into NBC’s multiple, confusing paywall, they might lose MS for these other leagues.
The problem, Hans, with you continuing to trot out this quote from Matt Belloni: “When the epitaph for broadcast television is written, it won’t be streaming video that is credited as the killer; it’ll be the networks’ inability to adapt to an on-demand ecosystem and co-exist with (and even capitalize on) what streaming does well” is that it is taken out of context, he’s actually referring to scripted programming, traditional episodic TV shows, in other words, and recognizing their value on streaming platforms. His quote actually supports what Comcast is doing right now with the PL, Comcast is strategically using NBC and USA for their promotional capabilities and funneling viewers to their streaming platform for value-added viewing experiences. Comcast knows traditional cable is dying a slow death and frankly I don’t think they care about streaming competition because they’ll be happy to sell you faster & more expensive high speed internet packages to do all that streaming, legal or otherwise. By slotting 175 live matches of the PL on peacock and on demand replays of all 380 matches for a ridiculously low monthly price Comcast is already giving us what “streaming does well” and this year will be all about gaining subscribers, working any kinks out with the app and/or the delivery platform and that’s why you will see more, not fewer, Chelsea and Man City and Liverpool games on peacock.
Here’s the link for the full Belloni piece that Hans likes:
https://ckarchive.com/b/k0umh6hkzzle
I’d suggest Comcast knows full well they have created lots of value around the Premier League, both in the UK with Sky and here in the US with NBC, and I bet Belloni would agree the way they are already positioning the Premier League on peacock is to Comcast’s advantage, not to their detriment.
@Hans. Good take and I don’t disagree with all your points made.
@Ra. Your last comment about people following a specific league despite the provider carrying it may be true, certainly seems so for some soccer fans that have commented here on this site – when they cannot obtain what they want so readily at a price point they are willing to pay.
That said, despite all the criticisms aimed at NBC for things mentioned by commenters here over the last couple of years, I do love their coverage of the EPL on match days and the priority they give to all 20 clubs. And with the combination of Peacock’s on demand of daily PL shoulder programming and the 24/7 PL channel… this is how i expect a provider to cover a league. Maybe that’s why i am not overly excited to see it change hands to another provider, as i might get short changed in the future. But who knows.
@Michael F. I want all games on streaming, not necessarily a change in the provider. But this seems less likely to me as they are antiquated.
I would gladly subscribe to Peacock if they showed all games live and added some great of the content that NBCUniversal has.
@JP says “I will add, however, that ESPN was once in a similar situation . . . showing back to back to back to back to back reruns of SportsCenter all morning and . . . obscure sports in the afternoon . . . ”
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Off topic, but I find the story of ESPN from their start through today to be fascinating. Prior to ESPN, “game of the week” was literal and it might take a day or two to learn who won other games. Today, almost any game is available for cheap and legal viewing, and finding the score is as easy as clicking a button. ESPN is not the only reason for that, but they are a cornerstone of the story
@Stevek. That was an excellent response. Always two views to everything and plenty of interpretation.
Editors… : You should have a link to your weekly “Matchweek X” post with the commentators assignments. Unless it eludes me – it’s hard to find esp with no search function.
Manchester Derby on Telemundo, good to see.
I’ve been watching the Premier League since 2010. I really resent people trying to remove matches to make you pay extra for what you were already getting! First there was Gold and now freakin’ Peacock! Case in point: Sunday the 28th, there are no matches on regular cable TV! Discovery+ is doing the same thing with our programmes from Travel Channel, etc. Pay extra and you can see them! I don’t think so! Many of us just don’t have that extra and all those so called extras add up! The more they take away, the more fans they will lose! I enjoy my Premier League matches, but I resent the extortion to make people pay when they a) already were getting it and b) can’t or won’t pay for it!
When she tells you a massive game is on Peacock Rebecca Lowe reminds of the song about local news where the anchorwoman can tell you about the plane crash with a twinkle in her eye!
Great Aston Villa win on 5th December 2021. However the disallowed goal (at about 45 minutes) probably should have been allowed. One handed control — refer to Newcastle goal previous day (4th December 202`1) — goal allowed (around 40 minutes) when goalie had two hands on the ball and was then dispossessed and then goal scored. Not consistent rules. What do the EPL commentators think about these inconsistent rule applications? Rebecca Lowe and friends should have a thought or two about this.
Roger, rewatched the Newcastle goal you are talking about on the Peacock highlights and I think the two situations are different rather than inconsistent. I did not know this at the time but we all know this now–it’s actually in the laws that one hand on the ball while pressed against a surface like the goalpost or the ground means the goalie has possession–and hence the ball can’t then be kicked out of his possession, if you will. Granted it was a just for a split second but I can understand why the VAR determined Schmeichel technically had possession.
What Nick Pope did was grab the ball high in the air and then he came down on a player (Schar) and that act, the landing if you will, dislodged the ball, putting it back in play. Schar had his back turned, he was actually barged into from behind first by Tarkowski and was falling forward a bit as a result. He clearly wasn’t jumping into Pope, in slow motion it seemed Schar wasn’t even aware Pope was about crash onto him, Schar was passive.. Yes Pope had possession for a split second while he was in the air but I suspect VAR thought it was his own actions, his leap and lunge forward, that caused him to then lose the ball as he came down on top of Schar and Tarkowski. Callum Wilson was then the quickest to react. If Schar was more active, if he was facing Pope or jumped up into Pope, then I bet the goal would not have stood. I also suspect a good goalie coach would have advised to punch the ball away in that much traffic.
@Roger and @Stevek, I was watching the Aston Villa game and the disallowed goal struck me as a poor use of VAR. They should have also looked at a full-speed replay, which I think is clear that Schmeichel never had control (no matter how generously the text is interpreted). Refs too often fixate on stills and super-slow-motions and lose sight of context
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It was compounded by horrible explanations. There is apparently an exception to the control rule that applies when the goalie makes a save and gives up a rebound. NBC declared at halftime that Michael Oliver got it wrong and should have applied the exception, then the Premier League said the exception did not apply even though there was a save and rebound. Does not inspire confidence.
Does anyone understand the rationale behind NBC replays on Peacock being delayed until the next day? For those on the West Coast it means having to get up before 7am (or earlier) to watch Sat games, and sometimes before 6am on Sundays. We have no ability to record such matches, And with the demise of NBC SN from Jan 1 next, our choices will be even more limited. What is NBC’s business reason for delaying these replays? At the very least, make them available within 2/3 hours of them taking place.
@David Yes, they want you to “embrace the future” and subscribe to cable…and to pay extra for the “state-of-the-art” equipment that is able to record live TV.. Wow. So cool – it costs only $20/mo extra in fees for the equipment..
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No, it is because Comcast is a dinosaur…
David, NBCSN going away shouldn’t affect you, whatever Premier League content used to be there will be moved over to USA, Comcast appears to be positioning USA as more of a sports destination, so if you previously could DVR NBCSN you should also be able record that content on USA. I’m glad they’re getting rid of NBCSN, too much chaff, just give me the wheat.
“Does anyone understand the rationale behind NBC replays on Peacock being delayed until the next day?”
When I was predicting that the PL had already decided to give the US rights to Comcast back when Comcast agreed to roll over the UK rights, I wondered if this was something the PL asked for, i.e. that this is not a decision made solely by Comcast, it’s something imposed on them. Perhaps it is to protect other rights holders in different time zones? For instance, in the UK it used to be if you don’t watch Match of the Day live you have to wait before it becomes available on the iPlayer…not sure if that is still the case but maybe that delay is imposed on them…we’d have to check other rights holders in other time zones to see if they also delay their PL replays to know for sure.
“For those on the West Coast it means having to get up before 7am (or earlier) to watch Sat games, and sometimes before 6am on Sundays. We have no ability to record such matches”
This is a legitimate complaint, the earliest games should never be only on Peacock. Period, full stop. They should always be on USA so they can be recorded and rewound via DVR. Two things might mitigate this for you:
1. Get an Apple TV, you may be able to rewind those early Peacock games in progress and sleep for an extra hour and a half, I can confirm this works within a game I’ve been watching, you can go all the way back to the beginning, but since I’m on the East coast I’ve never tried it from a late cold start. I’m sure someone here has and can confirm whether that works;
2. Now that Comcast knows it has the rights for the next 6 years I think it’s likely to improve things, let’s hope this has been resolved by next August and you on the West coast receive a little more love.
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No sound business reason and I don’t think the EPL has set that as a demand as during the previous contract Comcast switched NBCSN games from available after a few hours to next day. Can’t imagine that the EPL will micro manage the business side of a rights owner as only the owners are in the seat to manage their profits. The EPL may decide that this is an additional factor if two bids are very close.
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But this argument has raged on the WST site between cablers and streamers for awhile now and it will only be settled in the future perhaps in a year or two or after a season ends to give a reason why to change the broadcast without loosing face.
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I can imagine that for Peacock in this case is the bottom line, profit, which means paying subscriber numbers and only Comcast knows that. But since they are also an Internet Access provider other decisions may factor in. Until the suits in the decision making offices will act, expect that the streaming services will publish increase of subscribers without independent verification. However Peacock of all the major streaming services has the least amount of paying premium subscribers. This has NOTHING to do with the EPL broadcast but with Peacock’s original content.
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So sit tight and see if anything changes on Comcast’s side and I feel for your dilemma but just think of the people living in Hawaii. You can always find that the matches are available for download and Google is your friend here.
It seems to me there might be a misconception about replays on NBC/Peacock. To clarify:
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1. If a game is on Peacock originally, the replay is available almost immediately after the game ends.
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2. If a game is on cable (NBCSN or USA), the replay is available almost immediately after the game ends on the NBC Sports app, though with some commercials included.
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The 24-hour delay is only for Peacock-only subscribers for games that were on a cable network in the first place. Also, it seems that live DVR controls are becoming more ubiquitous for Peacock, which is a major improvement.
Well, I guess I’ll just be able to watch the matches they give me on USA. Most people can’t afford to keep paying $4.99 for this app and $4.99 for that app, etc. I’ll settle for what they give me and if in the end I lose interest, I’m sure I won’t be the only one that will be disappointed because of people’s greed. Oh well, it was nice while it lasted.
Oh good, the nonsense with top matches like North London derby on Peacock is continuing. I guess they have important things to put on USA like a Chicago Fire (not the MLS team) marathon.
Wow! It seems that Peacock has really stepped up (for the next short future) their game. Full winter Olympics and most marquee games (for the next 2 wks, which seems to be the period of their strategy). Their strategy resembles a pendulum. Why don’t they offer games simultaneously on both platforms and stop creating resentment?
@Ra, do you think they’ll add live MotoGP races this spring to Peacock?
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I no longer have much use for the Olympics, summer or winter. With no NHL players the hockey can be ignored again just like in 2018. Can make do with whatever they show us on OTA NBC if I’m really bored and no other sports on. Other than the downhill skiing and the oddly hypnotic speed skating (not short track, the old school variety) don’t care about anything else. All the X Games type snowboard events, figure skating, basically anything that requires “judges” to determine a winner.
@Ra Your question: ‘Why don’t they offer games simultaneously on both platforms and stop creating resentment?’
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Answer: They do offer all matches on Peacock. Only ones that were live on USA Network are then available 24 hours later on demand. The rest are live on Peacock. Which lately… have been scheduling more marquee profile matches live as you pointed out.
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To be clear… no other network provider (ESPN or CBS/Paramount) offers all their games simultaneously on both platforms (i.e. their cable network and streaming app). They only offer all their matches on their streaming app and CBS maybe airs one Serie A match a week or a CL match on their cable network later and I am not even sure if they do air those few matches live on their cable network.
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I know you know this. But you are simply p*ssing into the wind yet again to fuel this ‘resentment’ (as you call it). It is amazing for one that doesn’t follow the EPL to be so interested in what NBC/Peacock does so as to comment about them at every article posting (as you do).
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Its $5 a month we are talking about here. It breaks the bank for no one. To suggest an additional $5 a month would be an really an issue for anyone who is an avid Premier League follower is just plain nonsense.
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All this said… I will admit and do actually find it odd how NBC/Peacock chooses which matches will be aired live on USA vs Peacock. It holds no pattern of predictability at this point. That can be frustrating for some for sure.
As an additional comment: Perhaps we are now seeing NBC/Peacock’s longer term strategy that was suggested by Chris Harris long ago when NBCSN went off the air, and matches moved to USA Network. The strategy is more live matches on Peacock.
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So far, I have to yet to see a match aired on any other NBC cable network aside from USA since the beginning of the year. Before they would air live matches simultaneously on two cable networks (i.e. NBCSN and USA) at times.
@Michael F It shows that you’re not paying attention….Every Serie A match and every Bundesliga match is live on P+ and ESPN+ respectively, even if they are being shown on CBS/CBSSN/ABC/ESPN….
@JP I really doubt that. MotoGP is still delusional thinking that people will line up to pay $200/season. In the meantime, I can get F1TV for $27.
Paramont+ not offering Formula E makes even less sense. Formula E appeals to the young generation (https //www.fiaformulae.com/en/news/2018/april/sign-of-the-times-formula-e-captures-new-younger-audience/), while cable is popular among baby boomers.
Makes no sense to carry as a CBS Sports exclusive property. You can watch live races on youtube in countries with no TV coverage, so, CBS sports is what is preventing people from watching it.
But never mind – I have limited interest in spec racing (even though they claim the contrary).
@Michael F I am waiting to see if you or someone else from customer service can help me get my Peacock refunded… 🙂
You are missing Michael F’s point, Ciro, he knows the lesser league matches are all live on those streaming apps, his point is that the Premier League is special enough, with large enough rights fees to NOT just be shunted onto a streaming app, there are PL matches on network TV a la NBC, cable TV a la USA and on a streaming app. The fact that it is not deemed valuable enough for a Serie A game of the week on CBS or a Bundesliga or La Liga game of the week on ABC or ESPN is not a valid stick to keep beating Comcast with…Comcast does simulcast its NBC matches on Peacock and loads up USA matches on demand after 24 hours. No other Euro league is on network, cable and streaming week in and week out.
Not all PL games are live on Peacock, it’s not a new stick to beat Comcast with and it’s not a mystery why. The PL is special, commands much higher rights fees and attention. What is live on Peacock is a bargain
@Ciro, I don’t think that’s a fair comparison. Serie A and the Bundesliga simply aren’t part of regular programming for their networks. It’s easier for them to show those games both on streaming and TV because they’re so infrequent, sort of “special occasions.”
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With the Premier League on practically every weekend (and more) as part of the cable footprint for Comcast networks, it makes a lot more sense–whether or not it’s the right approach–to take this approach. Not many people are going to sign up for or hold onto cable to see one or two Borussia Dortmund games, but they’re much more likely to do that if it’s for 20 Liverpool games.
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And I think it does matter that Comcast not only has their networks, like NBCSN and now USA, but they’re also a cable company, so yeah, keeping that system afloat does matter to them (whether we like it or not). That’s not a consideration in the same way for Disney or Viacom.
“Why don’t they offer games simultaneously on both platforms and stop creating resentment?”
You’d have to be an idiot or troll or charter member of the anti-Comcast cabal on this site to expect every Premier League game to be live on Peacock for a mere $5 a month. But look down the road a bit and it isn’t unreasonable to expect the new President of Peacock to change things up a bit for next season, maybe she will figure out a seamless way to put all those USA games on Peacock with some sort of cable authorization, that will help those few fans too stupid to figure out which games are on USA each week. Like any fan of any team can’t quickly figure out when and where their team is being shown.
Maybe by next season we can even expect all PL matches to be live on Peacock, look how Comcast is handling the Olympics on Peacock this time, in theory it has done a complete about face compared to last time, every event live, every event available for reply on demand upon completion, no matter what may be shown on network or cable. Nothing held back sounds too good to be true but what if it turns out be as amazing as they make it seem? Bodes well for the PL.
@Ciro. I am not paying attention?? I am pretty sure it’s you that is not paying attention. See the responses after yours and above this one. They covered it. Educate yourself.
@Ra. Funny. However I am just a customer like yourself and cannot help you there. It does puzzle me that you signed up for a streaming service that you hate so much for a league you claim you don’t follow. Go figure. 🙂
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Btw… I have this educated suspicion based on what I witness here that you actually are a huge fan of the English Premier League, since you are so devoted to comment on its provider constantly, obviously hoping you can conveniently watch all EPL matches cheaply or conveniently without a need to pirate.
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I mean, to suggest you are not a fan of the EPL, but actually compassionately speaking for the EPL fans out there that might be unhappy, is at the very least — a very far fetched notion. 😄
Anti Comcast Cabal here enjoying the dig analysts take at the cable providers. From the NY Times:
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Cable TV Is the New Landline
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Old habits die hard. But technology can change entrenched ways of doing things slowly and then very quickly. As recently as a decade ago, nearly all Americans — more than 85 percent of U.S. households — paid for packages of TV channels from cable or satellite companies.
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Now, the share of American homes that pay for conventional TV service is closing in on 50 percent, according to recent assessments from the investment analyst Craig Moffett and S&P Global Market Intelligence’s Kagan research group.
@Michael F. Yes, it is so shameful that I watch my couple of EPL a month hidden in a closet…but Peacock has been generous – no need for that if I can not watch it live 🙂
@JP I saw that Amazon is producing a ‘Drive to survive` for MotoGP…
And Netflix another for PGA golf (this one definitely not my cup of tea)
@Hans I am willing to bet that the percentage of households “that pay for conventional TV service (via cable or satellite packages) is NOT including all those households that transitioned over to a cable-like live TV stream service (aka UTube TV, FuBo, Sling, DirectTV stream, Hulu Live TV etc).
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I would like to see the percentage of households including those.
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Also, this is a good read from the Streamable web site: ‘New Figures Reveal a Slower Erosion of Sports Channels When Compared to Non-Sports Channels’.
Quote from it: “Sports Business Journal has new figures that show sports fans’ unwillingness to part with cable over the fear of missing out on the action.”
https://thestreamable.com/news/new-figures-reveal-a-slower-erosion-of-sports-channels-when-compared-to-non-sports-channels
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I am NOT advocating cable. I am just pointing out the reality of what is going on. There are always two sides. You seem to only quote from articles that bring attention to one side.
@Ra So you’re happy with Peacock. I guess I don’t understand all the editorials from you then on it and NBC in general. That’s a bug up your buttocks that doesn’t seem to leave you alone.
Taking digs like that, though, is such low hanging fruit. In that same article, a little later on from the quote you pulled, is something much more interesting:
“Old TV still has some life left. For now, Americans spend a majority of their TV time watching conventional television rather than streaming video. Streaming is also a tough business. And including the quasi-cable-TV services from online companies like YouTube and Hulu, about two-thirds of U.S. households pay for some old-school TV channels. An optimist would say that it’s stunning that cable TV has stayed this resilient.”
So the much more nuanced reality is that Comcast and Disney still benefit from all those brave cord-cutters who sign up for YouTube TV and Hulu et al, those cord-cutters are still paying for “cable” just packaged and delivered in a different way…that’s also why Comcast and Disney are so willing to re-up their carriage deals…in effect Disney is actually helping Comcast keep their system afloat as Nosferatu mentions because it is still so mutually beneficial…and who do you think benefits from supplying all these cord cutters with the high speed internet required to stream their pseudo cable and streaming apps? That’s right, Comcast.
Even shameless pirates have to pay the Comcast piper unless they live in an area with real high speed internet competition.
Excellent link Michael F, I too have felt ESPN+ could be the first to go completely OTT direct to the consumer with the requisite substantial price increase, of course. But even that could be still 5 years away. An ex president of ESPN was on the Andrew Marchand and Steve Ourand podcast about a month ago discussing this very thing, he said it will happen within 5 years and quicker than we think, one host agreed, one host disagreed. A good listen, the guys name is Steve Bornstein, very smart, very engaging and totally plugged in. Episode 10 from Dec. 8th
John Ourand, not Steve, my apologies.
” and who do you think benefits from supplying all these cord cutters with the high speed internet required to stream their pseudo cable and streaming apps? That’s right, Comcast.
Even shameless pirates have to pay the Comcast piper unless they live in an area with real high speed internet competition.”
The shameless joy of enjoying being scr*…go figure. You should be advocating for more competition. No wonder Comcast seems to think we are all morons.
Meanwhile, I have the option of ATT fiber, Google fiber, spectrum, and I still advocate for more competition.
@Ra Yes… you are so brilliant and so many of us are morons. More of your repeated senseless editorial.
@SteveK It is quite humorous how @Hans always cherry picks stuff from articles he quotes from. Like I said, always just points out the one side of things. Extremely subjective. Not providing the whole story that defines the reality.
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These cord cutter hacks are not living in reality.
@SteveK… your quote: “I too have felt ESPN+ could be the first to go completely OTT direct to the consumer with the requisite substantial price increase, of course. But even that could be still 5 years away.”
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Of course it will be with a price hike. I will quote yet once again a very astute comment made by @greg awhile back… and will keep quoting it as necessary. One comes through a wire attached to your TV, the other from a wire attached to a router. Here it is:
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“an app or platform where you can access lots of disparate content from multiple providers in one ecosystem? We know that’s essentially cable (and cable-like Fubo, etc), right?
So I keep coming back to the fact that this whole “cord-cutting, let’s stream what we want” will almost inevitably end up with some platform doing exactly that, either thru licensing or acquisition, and it’ll essentially be cable all over again but hey, it’ll be streaming.”
@Ra As a further response to this quote of yours: “No wonder Comcast seems to think we are all morons. Meanwhile, I have the option of ATT fiber, Google fiber, spectrum, and I still advocate for more competition.”
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I am not sure what on earth you are trying to say here, but the reality is… many areas only provide ONE true option for high speed internet to suit their household and/or work-from-home business needs.
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For me, that’s Spectrum and there is no other option close to meeting this requirement.
@Michael F – The numbers include services like YouTube TV, Hulu Live, etc. You can read Disney’s public filings, the number comes from Nielsen and includes all the major OTT cable providers. Youtube TV and Hulu only have about 3 million subscribers each. The numbers are declining and declining quite rapidly.
I think you are also mistaken about the revenues a company like Comcast is making when people cut the cord. I have the absolute highest tier internet plan and I’m paying less than half of what I paid before. Internet is better regulated as well – no real taxes, I can use my own modem/router so no equipment from Comcast…it’s actually perfectly fine aside from the upload speed, but Comcast is making about 1/3rd the revenue.
SteveK – Of course Comcast could put all the games on Peacock for $5 bucks. They already paid for the rights, it cost them NOTHING to put the games all on Peacock, other than potentially retained cable subscribers. How many people do you think are going to hang on to an expensive cable bill to see an EPL team play every other week? None. I know because everyone I know cut cable and found otherways to watch for free. I would argue if they put them all on Peacock, they would make more revenue through Peacock subscriptions than they are ever hoping to make on retained cable subscribers (who are quitting in droves anyway).
Meanwhile, I’m spending the afternoon enjoying a proper streaming service in ESPN+. El Classico on now and then I will multicast it with Tottenham v. Chelsea. All in 60 fps and El Classico is even on ESPN cable if you really want that sort of thing. All for about $3.33 a month. But there is no way on earth NBC could afford to put Norwich v. West Ham on USA today as well as Peacock… that 5th hour of Law and Order reruns ) is critical to the business!
@Mercator. If true, that is interesting. Hey, I’m all for seeing conglomerates disappear and provide more choice and option. I also see it’s a pie in the sky scenario that we actually truly get there… even after the old cable world disappears if/when it finally does. See my comments above about what it will probably look like as it all shifts to all streaming.
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Btw… I don’t see how many folks have a choice for several high speed internet provider options in the home for heavy stream usage and work-from-home that requires a lot of date usage.
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In my area, there is only Spectrum that provides gigabyte internet that I require. No other provider comes anywhere near close to that. So if you have an option to go cheaper than a traditional cable company provides like Spectrum, good for you.
I am 98% sure today’s EPL game on Peacock was 60 FPS. Tried on Apple TV and Shield, and both looked very smooth. I even switched between this game and ones on paramount plus and ESPN plus just to compare as both the latter ones are 60fps platform. Anybody else had the same observation?
@Michael F – Comcast is the only gigabit provider in my area and I call them every year on Xmas day to argue with someone in the Philippines in order to get deals the US based reps refuse to give me. Right now I pay $70 for unlimited gigabit (but I use their modem/router because somehow thats $5 cheaper than my own) and its actually a 2 year deal so I didn’t have to do the dance with them this Xmas.
That said, my neighbour has T-mobile home internet and he seems pleased with it, and I have a relative in Europe who is in the Starlink beta and it actually works. Give it 5 years and you will be able to get reliable 200mbps+ from any mobile phone company, Elon Musk or a traditional wired provider. I can already use my phone and travel router to get wireless internet for the whole house.
Also almost no one really needs gigabit at this point. Gigabit is alot, HD streams are like 10mbps, most people don’t need anything close to gigabit. I only have it because its the only one with 35mbps upload speeds on Comcast.
@Mercator. You are getting a bargain at $70 for unlimited gigabyte while using their modem. I am paying $75 for the same unlimited gigabyte internet and I have my own modem and mesh router.
@Mercator The gigabit internet will come in handy once we finally get our matches in 8k HDR10+… 🙂
The case for speeds greater than 300mbps is that these are the advertised speeds – the actual speeds are usually lower. I have been getting 600-800 actual Mbps on my Gigabit. The actual big difference between cable and fiber is actually the latency and upload speeds (https //www.whistleout.com/Internet/Guides/cable-and-fiber-internet-differences).
That being said, my 30-day peak usage was only 80mbps, but upload speed and latency make a huge difference to me when working on large files on Office 365.
@Michael F – I want to use my own modem but if I do it would be $75 a month instead of the $70 I pay now using Comcast modem. Typical Comcast, their routers broadcast some public wifi (using your internet) by default so Comcast is pushing their own stuff. To get free Peacock I literally went to the store, got a flex, signed up for Peacock and then handed it back. Every time I deal with them I feel like Larry David.
@Ra – I actually get a little over 1000mbps (the plan is 1200mbps), but this is just on speed tests. Practically, I don’t think anything uses more than about 300 when the Xbox downloads stuff. But apparently you need 1200mbps down if you want 35 up, so I have to get the highest plan for Teams/365 stuff also. I’ve been lobbying the neigbhors and HOA to get AT&T to install fiber.
@Nacho – Unfortunately I did not watch the match on Peacock today, but great news if it’s really been pushed up to 60fps.
@Mercator. That is very typical with how a cable company works. When I turned in my cable box to eliminate cable tv from my bill, the Spectrum service person says… “come back next month and we’ll knock off $40 off your bill for xx amount months if you sign up for cable tv again.” I just laughed at her and walked out. They never offered that on the phone before when I called to tell them of my intentions to drop cable tv. Only when I make the trip to the store with cable box in hand.
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More than anything else, I dropped cable tv because it’s archaic and antiquated with physical boxes, additional add-on costs, and limited features for convenience. It wasn’t even about the money I saved at all. I signed up immediately for a live tv stream service. Was with FuBo for two years and been with UTTV since (for the last two plus years). To have the convenience of your content on any device wherever you go, unlimited DVR cloud capabilities and features and no additional hardware… is so much better.
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I can live with one outstanding bill to get my high speed internet from Spectrum. If there were other gigabyte internet options in my area, I would certainly play the leverage in negotiations between them. Unfortunately, Verizon FIOS only ran fiber as far as the next town over. And I am not in the boonies. Just 20 miles away from the nearest city.
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@SteveK
Couldn’t give a rat’s ass about any of those figures pro or con, just LOVE the line:
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It is a perfect description of what is to come 😆
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Living in an area where there is Fiber to the home FIOS. When moving to a new home in 2008. 1st requirement was High Speed Internet access, only then from any prospective area came the house selection.
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How fantastic that decision was in view of the pandemic. Had Comcrap for 2 years, then FIOS arrived at my door, which was a no brainer for me. Main reason for switching was because those greedy bastards started to mess with capping the monthly download quota. They are the epitome of a trashy business.
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I have many times mentioned before Comcrap should get out of the media business and concentrate on the ISP business which would make their stock pop. But then we are talking big egos here that will not listen to wall street, hedgefund owners and stock holders.
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Let the anti Comcast cabal enjoy the descend as “Cable TV Is the New Landline”. Best quote of 2022 so far.
@Hans I no longer have a landline, but I would bet that a good many households still do. Glad you are so easily amused.
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You seem to always have a brain freeze that I might be an advocate for cable TV conglomerates. It’s simply a necessity for my entertainment consumption of certain content. I don’t squabble about dollars spent for something I enjoy and take in. No different than the necessity of requiring high speed internet service from the same companies who provide cable TV, although I am with a live TV stream service for that.