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Turbulence (EPL Talk Review Podcast)

Speaker 4: Yes, very difficult but they took three points against Manchester City at home and played very well in that game. Salvaged a point against Everton at home. Again, a very good result for them. Got a nice result at the KC Stadium against Hull, a draw there. Hull has been better than most people have expect. I think Hull has actually been pretty good since second half of the Chelsea game, they’re opening games. That’s not dropped points for Cardiff at all to get a point at Hull at this stage of the season. Today they were right there. Marshall made a number of great saves, but Spurs have something about the side.

A resourcefulness and we saw that when [inaudible 01:28:31] laid on that goal. [Inaudible 01:28:32] he came on for the last four minutes of regular time plus stoppages and I felt it had a good  impact.  [inaudible 01:28:39] is playing pretty well from where I sit. [inaudible 01:28:47] has been pretty good as a surprise starter as far as I’m concerned. I thought maybe he’s going to get loaned out again this season instead EVB has worked him in to the squad. The competition for places at Spurs I think has led  to a real fight in the squad. Everybody knows when they’re on the pitch they need to make most of the opportunities.

We even saw that in the Europa League game earlier this week, which unfortunately for Spurs Danny Rose got injured in that match and was unable to play today and they don’t have a natural left back replacement so Vertonghen has gone out to left back. I just think Spurs there’s something happening there. It’s not just all the money they spent but the competition for places is helping the squad and I think the squad harmony at least at this point even with all the new players appears to be real good. Maybe sooner or later some of the guys that are hold overs from previous seasons are going to start to sulk but it hasn’t happen yet.

Speaker 1: [Inaudible 01:29:44]  in Norfolk or at least maybe even North Norfolk, Norwich nil, Astonvilla one. Christian does this mean that Lambert can change his backline around and still have that old fashioned approach, give hakuna matata? Which means no worries for the rest of your days or if it’s this weekend, it means no worries for the rest of the game.

Speaker 2: Wow, yes. I think really that the old [inaudible 01:30:18] heck of a lot [inaudible 01:30:20]. I thought he was absolutely outstanding and if …

Speaker 1: [Crosstalk 01:30:23]

Speaker 2: The penalty said there was a string of really top saves in there. I think it’s something more important to draw from that Villa. They didn’t need Benteke to win because there’s been a real reliance on him this season. Again, you probably don’t complain when he’s scoring the goals but it’s when something like Saturday happens and he gets injured and you have to go off.  That’s a real concern. He had good form going into according to his three meeting against Norwich but to get [inaudible 01:30:58] off the mark is a big one. He himself was quite lucky because I thought the chance he missed before the actual goal was terrible. Other than that, it was the very [inaudible 01:31:12] performance from Villa. They were steady, I thought. For Norwich though it’s a surprise because we went into this season with such optimism for everything Hughton had done and particularly the signs he made, they seemed all very shrewd, bought from kind of developmental leagues with players who probably we’re ready to move on to the next tier but it just hasn’t quite worked on them yet.

I don’t think it will continue, I think it’s bad form rather than a bad season. It’s something you’ve got to remember is it that they’ve got a really shotty record against Villa as well. I think they’ve only won one of the last eleven meetings prior to the weekends. One of the last 12 now is we have boggy teams, I think New Castle is [inaudible 01:31:59] and this is just another instance of that piling it on because again we’re only five games in to the season. That’s just over a month’s worth of football.

Speaker 1: Yes. Seriously, you didn’t like hakuna matata? It’s a wonderful phrase.

Speaker 2: I loved it, I just didn’t want to top it.

Speaker 1: It is hard. I was trying to think of a Disney references in football over the weekend. If anyone has got anything. Other people talk about it being Mickey Mouse football or something.

Speaker 2: Can we reference [inaudible 01:32:29] at all?

Speaker 1: Why?

Speaker 2: [Inaudible 01:32:33] of life.

Speaker 1: [inaudible 01:32:38] I thought that would be a play. I also thought it could be hakuna mataba, which could actually be a great line for the team. Anything else?

Speaker 4: They’re better than that.

Speaker 1: I imagine it’s difficult to think upon the spot. I’m not imagining that, I actually know it’s difficult to think up on the spot. If you do have any Partitino Pocahontas but it’s difficult to fit in there because of the parallels between a Native American and indeed a Spanish crusader in many ways.

Male: It’s also somewhat difficult [inaudible 01:33:11].

Speaker 1: There’s plenty more. If he can think of any tweets [inaudible 01:33:16] I’d be very interested to hear them. Anyway, [inaudible 01:33:19] two-nil win. Swansea over Crystal Palace. Earlier in the week Swansea obviously demolished the 10 man Valencia three-nil, Bonnie’s influence on this side quite brilliant but it didn’t need to even be on the pitch today. Swansea managing in both early sessions in both halves within 80 seconds, a meteor broken deadlocked. Early in the second half they’d done exactly the same. It really just felt as if at times Swansea was just cutting Crystal Palace open at will. [inaudible 01:33:53] was completely different level today actually. I think his play was incredible. Hold up play was fantastic. Crystal Palace struggled to keep up with that and in bringing on Campania in the second half it would change things up a little bit but by then it pretty much looked like a training game from 65 minutes on. I’m not even kidding it, it was pretty much training game for Swansea by the end of the second half. Anyone else impressed by John [inaudible 01:34:18] ?

Speaker 3: He was fantastic.

Male: [Crosstalk 01:34:20]

Speaker 3: He gave you everything. It would have been – if he would have been sent off, it would have been the greatest 10 minutes in Premier League history. He was.

Speaker 1: [Crosstalk 01:34:35]

Male: He does look like one of the vultures from the Jungle Book.

Speaker 1: Sure, we can be offensive like that. That’s fine, Schmack, that’s a one. Everybody wants to be Schmack you put in the comments section.

Speaker 2: From the Aristocats, yes.

Speaker 1: The Aristocats, yes.

Male: Yes, I think on a serious note [inaudible 01:34:54] is that player in the middle of a park that…

Speaker 1: [Inaudible 01:34:58]

Male: [Inaudible 01:35:00]

Speaker 1: Yes.

Male: Supporter that what you want [inaudible 01:35:02] season and he’s going to really help them two way player box to box player that that was maybe the one thing really missing in their squad last season other than [inaudible 01:35:13].

Speaker 1: Excellent distribution to stay out there on the pitch. Although Crystal Palace did somewhat allow that and I think Ian Holloway was right post game to say that they did look as if he side had given up. At least maybe just after the second goal went in early in the second half. They did create chances but they didn’t create enough. I meant there weren’t enough clear cut chances. I don’t even remember one save in the game. The [inaudible 01:35:38] which even looked relatively threatening. So disappointing from Crystal Palace. I think at one point Holloway described them as embarrassingly good Swansea and then they were embarrassingly good but they looked like a, I’m going to say it, top six side in the Premier League. Wonder if they can actually complete that at this season.

Male: [Crosstalk 01:35:59]

Speaker 1: Yes, but not of the standard of the Ropere League I’m talking. I’m talking about the Champions League here Matt, these team were great.

Male: Wow that’s a big call.

Speaker 1: Yes, it is big but I think [inaudible 01:36:14] done a great job. This is the first time I’ve seen them play.  I will see them play again in this season. They were excellent, really excellent team. Sorry Chris, there was a reference in there?

Speaker 2: Under the seas there?

Speaker 1: Good, under the sea say, good. No it’s good, under the Swansea.

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  1. Jake

    September 25, 2013 at 8:30 am

    Long time listener, first time poster. Just wanted to point out Kris’ silence during the Ramsey/Piers Morgan discussion. I actually am a big fan of his analysis, but towards the end of last season, I remember a number of his articles on Soccernet advocating for Ramsey’s dropping/sale.

  2. Kartik Krishnaiyer

    September 24, 2013 at 11:47 am

    Good point Adam Heap.

  3. Adam Heap

    September 24, 2013 at 7:01 am

    I love listening to this podcast, but sometimes I wish you guys would all show a little support for the sides you follow! Kartik, you could hardly have sounded less enthusiastic about how well your club played in the derby (in spite of their history in derby matches, I know) – we all know which teams the presenters are backing, show some love for them every now and again – we know you need to be unbiased but supporters can’t help but love our clubs!

    • Jake

      September 25, 2013 at 8:27 am

      I dont think Morgan holds anything back…

      • Morgan Green

        September 25, 2013 at 4:55 pm


  4. Kartik Krishnaiyer

    September 23, 2013 at 5:27 pm

    I thought I mentioned Marshall but perhaps not. In fact I don’t know if I was called upon during this game, but it was late and we were trying to get the pod done. Lloris could have been sent off for that handball, as we saw a similar call last week. I don’t think Cardiff played with ten men behind the ball the entire game having now watched the full 90. Cardiff at times in the second half played a higher line and kept the ball.

    If you feel we don’t cover Spurs closely enough or are too biased towards Arsenal (an accusation you and some other Spurs fans have made towards me which conveniently ignores that Arsenal has finished ahead of Spurs for 17 consecutive seasons and with that they have earned some deference when compared to Spurs)we’d love to have you come on the podcast. Your points are well taken on this game. But understand with PSG-Monaco the biggest game of the weekend was on at 2:55 as was Milan-Napoli and having some other items to complete I didn’t get a chance to watch the game as closely as I would like before the pod. I have now watched it entirely. I also think this win indicates Spurs are a likely top 3 team as they have fared better than Everton and Man City (both outside the top 3 right now in my estimation) in South Wales. In fact this result gives Spurs more points in South Wales than City has in three trips to the area the last 3 seasons so that counts for something.

    Again, apologies. We try our best but sometimes it’s not good enough I suppose. If you want to help us with prep or even coming on in the future to discuss Spurs that’d be great!

    • Balboa77

      September 23, 2013 at 8:34 pm

      Dust on the podcast is a must listen for me. I am convinced “Dust” is a combination of people yelling at a computer screen while one person types. MAKE THIS HAPPEN!

      • Dust

        September 23, 2013 at 9:30 pm


    • Dust

      September 23, 2013 at 9:29 pm

      Thanks both of you for responding…

      I don’t think you are anti spurs, it’s a good example of a game that didn’t have the review it should’ve…

      I check back in every now and again, to see what changes (if any) there are to the coverage, esp with the changes on the site.

      Anyways…Thank you for asking, if time allows I’d be interested.

      • jtm371

        September 23, 2013 at 9:37 pm

        do it it would be EPIC!

        • dust

          September 24, 2013 at 12:57 pm

          Im happy to do it, Chris reached out for the king interview. If at some point they want it to happen i’m sure they will reach out, they have a million and one things going on.

      • COYS_USA1

        September 24, 2013 at 12:17 pm

        If Dust cant do it I would love to be on the pod

        • Balboa77

          September 24, 2013 at 8:58 pm

          No one invited you.

  5. Dust

    September 23, 2013 at 4:50 pm

    It sounded like no one watched the Spurs game, here are some talking points from the game oh…and it was Naughton was at left back, not Vertonghen.

    Cardiff’s keeper played out of his skin, he was peppered with shots and some how kept them out. It was complete domination by spurs…

    Cardiff no17 holding Lloris arm as the corner came in while another player used Dawson as human ladder for the disallowed goal they had.

    Lloris handled the ball on the edge (started on the line but handled it over the line too) of the 18m, after another dodgey back pass from Naughton.

    The football Spurs played was very very good, Cardiff had to play with 10 men behind the ball for 80 minutes.

    Lamela made the difference when he came on, as a very tired Cardiff couldn’t cope with his trickery and runs between them, yes Holtby played his part and did well.

    I can’t believe its co-incidence that when I choose to listen its only then that the summary of non major games are so poor.

    Cardiff’s keeper absolutely deserved a mention after putting on a performance similar to YL for WHIFC Paulinho & Dembele were sublime.

    Conceding 1 goal in 8 games (5 in BPL) for Spurs and scoring 16 best defensive record in BPL. And yes that’s quite an achievement with Dawson at the back.

    Contributors to the pod in the u.s have access to the games On Demand within an hour or so of them finishing, maybe I’m crazy, but perhaps someone from WST on the pod should watch, and then report.

    Just a thought.

    • Christopher Harris

      September 23, 2013 at 4:58 pm

      To be fair, the Tottenham match was being played at the same time as the biggest match of the weekend. Damn the Europa League!

      I’m sure a lot of people were watching the Arsenal-Stoke match instead of the Palace-Swansea one, too 😉

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