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Turbulence (EPL Talk Review Podcast)

Speaker 1: All of those things that had gone wrong.

Speaker 2: I’m not saying throughout the season, I mean the five games we’ve had so far. It’s dragged on already as [inaudible 01:19:08] this year.

Speaker 1: Up, I would imagine a phrase that we’re going to have to get used to.  Maybe not get used to on the podcast. Three-nil West Brom in the end positive results of course for West Brom a good one for Steve Clark there Kartik.

Speaker 4: Yes, good win to finally show some attacking intent and some ability to play with the kind of openness the flashiness we saw from West Brom at times last season. I think what was most interesting though is that Clark continues to get his tactics right. He’s been able to great [inaudible 01:19:51] and now there is obviously a solidity that’s built since the transfer window shut and they played very well. I agree with Matt that it really was not a three-nil type performance but it was one or two-nil efficient match at home and the type of match just West Brom’s going to need to win if they’re going to avoid being in a prolonged relegation fight this season.

Speaker 1: Champions elect  that let Arsenal, Kartik as you called them, three- one against Stoke. They almost switch roles in this game. Arsenal scoring from three set pieces, Stoke, obviously, with the open players. Everyone was tweeting and then a weird stat in the second half.  Stoke, 65% of the possession in the second half and only 21 few have been passed than Arsenal, which I think says something about both teams.

Speaker 4: Yes, Arsenal has become more pragmatic the last few seasons. We’ve talked about this before Lawrence how Arsenal’s become more – their shape has gotten better, they’ve had player that have gotten stuck in when they needed to. I know the Arsenal-Stoke rivalry, if you can call it that, has brought that term back in to the forefront in English football. Aaron Ramsey got a goal today, which is appropriate against Stoke, continuing his great run. Aaron Ramsey right now for me one of the best players in the Premier League. Maybe the best Welsh footballer on the planet, believe it or not. Even though there’s a guy that went for a hundred million or something that’s Welsh too.

Speaker 1: Really Kartik the person who backed him from the start was Piers Morgan.

Speaker 4: Yes, Piers Morgan tweeted that today, which was hilarious because I don’t know how many times during the course the last season Piers Morgan would have tweets like “What is Wenger thinking? What does he see in Aaron Ramsey that no other human being sees?” Well that’s. Now, he’s come good, Piers Morgan has tweeted “I backed him all along”.

Speaker 1: Piers Morgan on the fourth or the 12th or maybe the 12th  of the fourth, I can’t work it out. Depends on if it’s an American or English one. “What does Wenger see in Ramsey? A complete and utter liability #Arsenal.” I imagine the word liability is also just automatically linked to the word #Arsenal. “Boom”, he then says on the 22nd of the 9th showing the way around the [inaudible 01:22:20]. “One-nil, unbelievable, Aaron Ramsey again, thank God I saw his potential last season and stood by him.” Maybe [inaudible 01:22:30] sarcasm. I don’t know.

Speaker 4: That tweet that you read is not the only tweet about Ramsey. When Piers Morgan and Morgan our Morgan can relate to this because we had him on television covering football matches when Fox still had the contract …

Speaker 2: Oh god, don’t remind me.

Speaker 4: [Inaudible 01:22:48] and thankfully now NBC’s contract with Pierce Morgan will not be near our television sets on Premier League on Saturdays and Sundays. Morgan, do you remember Piers Morgan talking about how rubbish Aaron Ramsey was repeatedly on the air. Why does Wenger replay this guy. This is the type of player you would never see in the top four team in English football.  He’s the Cartiff City player, I think he once said.

Speaker 2: Cartiff City’s ironically a Premier League team now.

Speaker 3: Now they are right but the point being Piers Morgan is just a comical wind up. More seriously on this game, Arsenal are showing a resourcefulness in how to win matches. Although I suspect the biggest test of the season is going to come next week at the Liberty. That’s going to be a big game and that’s going to tell us a lot about Arsenal. Arsenal have faired very poorly against Swansea, since Swansea came up into the league. Even faired poorly at the Emirates against them. This is going to tell us a great deal about Arsenal this game, very big game against Swansea.

Speaker 1: We should also say it is okay one second to be slagging off a player and the next to be absolutely in love with them. That’s just the nature of football, we just love the irony. Someone should talk about Stoke really shouldn’t they because I think we said in the pre-season, at least I said it in the pre-season podcast that I thought that they would at least try and change things up a bit this season. In the beginning it was difficult to see. There were signs today in this game though frankly Morgan.

Speaker 3: Yes, there were. I guess Sparky has either a better idea of how to play on the ground as Tony Pulis did or I know maybe …

Speaker 1: Well everyone’s got a better of – there are eight year olds with a better idea. [Crosstalk 01:24:32]

Speaker 3: Exactly or maybe it’s justTony Pulis didn’t know how to communicate it to his players how he did it but we’re seeing the same – again. Keep it down, don’t hold it long you idiot.

Speaker 1: Up.  They’re all like wait, do you mean push-up or kick the ball up?

Speaker 3: Again it’s the fact that he’s also done it with pretty much the same squad that Tony Pulis has.  I think yes their style of play has definitely been drastically different this year under Mark Hughes than it has been unto Tony Pulis. I still for the life of me do not understand why Jonathan Walters is starting games for Stoke. He’s been so poor for them. He’s had some just shocking performances this year. Again two of the goals that they let in were because he just could not keep up with his man on a set piece. I think that once they wean themselves off of Jonathan Walters and then Marko Amautovic looked pretty good today.

He’s had a couple of decent games for the. If he can get maybe some form under him maybe they will be able to drop Walters completely and just not have to deal with him. I think he’s been a huge hindrance on them this year. We’re really watching with demise of a player who was a pretty decent Premier League striker for a couple of years.

Speaker 1: [inaudible 01:25:53] Morgan 2016. I told you Jonathan Walters was worth keeping an eye on. This [inaudible 01:25:58] side are going to do great at this tournament.

Male: [Crosstalk 01:26:01] fantastic avatar.

Speaker 1: They really will be. I believe he’s actually very good on the ukulele. Cardiff City nil, Tottenham Hotspur one. Yet another one-nil win for Tottenham Hotspur, Matt.

Speaker 2: Yes, there’s so much swapped identities in the Arsenals state games. It’s like Tottenham swapped identities with their North London rivals of the 80s and early 90s. A retro reference for all you out there. To be fair, for Tottenham the season goes on. They’ll look back at these one-nil wins and at the moment you people are sort of not being overly critical but are raising questions to how are they only winning one-nil. Should they be not putting these sides to bed a bit more easily.

Speaker 1: [Inaudible 01:26:55] anywhere, I don’t know.

Speaker 2: He might have gone somewhere, yes.  The fact of the matter is they brought a lot of new players. They’re still gelling as we’ve said on numerous times already this season that they still need time to gel and to actually sort of find that identity together as a team. They’re still winning games, it doesn’t matter whether you them one-nil, two-nil, three-nil, whether you win them with beautiful football or get through eventually with a last minute goal, they’re still picking up the points and putting up themselves in position that when the players, let’s play with each other properly, as they will do eventually. This Tottenham team is going to get better as the season goes on. They’re going to put themselves in an excellent position for the league.

Speaker 1: Yes, to at least being in the top four, not to actually win the league. Cardiff City is starting off with somewhat of a difficult fixture list though Kartik.

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  1. Jake

    September 25, 2013 at 8:30 am

    Long time listener, first time poster. Just wanted to point out Kris’ silence during the Ramsey/Piers Morgan discussion. I actually am a big fan of his analysis, but towards the end of last season, I remember a number of his articles on Soccernet advocating for Ramsey’s dropping/sale.

  2. Kartik Krishnaiyer

    September 24, 2013 at 11:47 am

    Good point Adam Heap.

  3. Adam Heap

    September 24, 2013 at 7:01 am

    I love listening to this podcast, but sometimes I wish you guys would all show a little support for the sides you follow! Kartik, you could hardly have sounded less enthusiastic about how well your club played in the derby (in spite of their history in derby matches, I know) – we all know which teams the presenters are backing, show some love for them every now and again – we know you need to be unbiased but supporters can’t help but love our clubs!

    • Jake

      September 25, 2013 at 8:27 am

      I dont think Morgan holds anything back…

      • Morgan Green

        September 25, 2013 at 4:55 pm


  4. Kartik Krishnaiyer

    September 23, 2013 at 5:27 pm

    I thought I mentioned Marshall but perhaps not. In fact I don’t know if I was called upon during this game, but it was late and we were trying to get the pod done. Lloris could have been sent off for that handball, as we saw a similar call last week. I don’t think Cardiff played with ten men behind the ball the entire game having now watched the full 90. Cardiff at times in the second half played a higher line and kept the ball.

    If you feel we don’t cover Spurs closely enough or are too biased towards Arsenal (an accusation you and some other Spurs fans have made towards me which conveniently ignores that Arsenal has finished ahead of Spurs for 17 consecutive seasons and with that they have earned some deference when compared to Spurs)we’d love to have you come on the podcast. Your points are well taken on this game. But understand with PSG-Monaco the biggest game of the weekend was on at 2:55 as was Milan-Napoli and having some other items to complete I didn’t get a chance to watch the game as closely as I would like before the pod. I have now watched it entirely. I also think this win indicates Spurs are a likely top 3 team as they have fared better than Everton and Man City (both outside the top 3 right now in my estimation) in South Wales. In fact this result gives Spurs more points in South Wales than City has in three trips to the area the last 3 seasons so that counts for something.

    Again, apologies. We try our best but sometimes it’s not good enough I suppose. If you want to help us with prep or even coming on in the future to discuss Spurs that’d be great!

    • Balboa77

      September 23, 2013 at 8:34 pm

      Dust on the podcast is a must listen for me. I am convinced “Dust” is a combination of people yelling at a computer screen while one person types. MAKE THIS HAPPEN!

      • Dust

        September 23, 2013 at 9:30 pm


    • Dust

      September 23, 2013 at 9:29 pm

      Thanks both of you for responding…

      I don’t think you are anti spurs, it’s a good example of a game that didn’t have the review it should’ve…

      I check back in every now and again, to see what changes (if any) there are to the coverage, esp with the changes on the site.

      Anyways…Thank you for asking, if time allows I’d be interested.

      • jtm371

        September 23, 2013 at 9:37 pm

        do it it would be EPIC!

        • dust

          September 24, 2013 at 12:57 pm

          Im happy to do it, Chris reached out for the king interview. If at some point they want it to happen i’m sure they will reach out, they have a million and one things going on.

      • COYS_USA1

        September 24, 2013 at 12:17 pm

        If Dust cant do it I would love to be on the pod

        • Balboa77

          September 24, 2013 at 8:58 pm

          No one invited you.

  5. Dust

    September 23, 2013 at 4:50 pm

    It sounded like no one watched the Spurs game, here are some talking points from the game oh…and it was Naughton was at left back, not Vertonghen.

    Cardiff’s keeper played out of his skin, he was peppered with shots and some how kept them out. It was complete domination by spurs…

    Cardiff no17 holding Lloris arm as the corner came in while another player used Dawson as human ladder for the disallowed goal they had.

    Lloris handled the ball on the edge (started on the line but handled it over the line too) of the 18m, after another dodgey back pass from Naughton.

    The football Spurs played was very very good, Cardiff had to play with 10 men behind the ball for 80 minutes.

    Lamela made the difference when he came on, as a very tired Cardiff couldn’t cope with his trickery and runs between them, yes Holtby played his part and did well.

    I can’t believe its co-incidence that when I choose to listen its only then that the summary of non major games are so poor.

    Cardiff’s keeper absolutely deserved a mention after putting on a performance similar to YL for WHIFC Paulinho & Dembele were sublime.

    Conceding 1 goal in 8 games (5 in BPL) for Spurs and scoring 16 best defensive record in BPL. And yes that’s quite an achievement with Dawson at the back.

    Contributors to the pod in the u.s have access to the games On Demand within an hour or so of them finishing, maybe I’m crazy, but perhaps someone from WST on the pod should watch, and then report.

    Just a thought.

    • Christopher Harris

      September 23, 2013 at 4:58 pm

      To be fair, the Tottenham match was being played at the same time as the biggest match of the weekend. Damn the Europa League!

      I’m sure a lot of people were watching the Arsenal-Stoke match instead of the Palace-Swansea one, too 😉

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