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Martin lol (EPL Talk Preview Podcast)

There is so much going on in the EPL this week. Will managers have time to look at their squads for the weekend? Will they even know who will be in their squad by the weekend. That’s arguably a luxury for some Premier League managers. We look forward to the weekend and take the time to go through some of your comments to build up to the weekend.

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  1. Kristan Heneage

    August 31, 2012 at 9:23 am

    Afternoon Chaps,

    I often read the comments, and have to start by saying you both raise some really interesting points. I think you could very well be right in suggesting that his time at Chelsea will be but a blip on his managerial resumé.

    I also feel that to truly understand AVB you have to try and analyze his longest spell in management- which was with FC Porto. Here he had an attacking triumvirate similar to what he is trying to implement at Spurs. Falcao while far from the biggest (like Defoe) was a complete forward. I think that he perceives Adebayor in a similar way, and until he could secure him was trying to get Defoe to operate in a similar way.

    Strictly speaking you can argue both ways- that Defoe is or is not the type of forward suited to this formation. It all depends on how the team plays. Against Newcastle in the second half, Tottenham began attempting long balls into Defoe which simply weren’t going to garner any success.

    I think the dressing room cancer you speak of is also very true. In that instance I sense AVB slowed slight naivety towards the situation. At Porto his arrival sparked the sales of two big players- Bruno Alves, and Raul Meireles.

    I often felt as if AVB saw the Terry and Lampard situation as mirror like to his one at Porto. The huge difference being (and no disrespect to Porto) that he was moving Alves and Meireles on to bigger projects (in theory).

    With Lampard and Terry they were already at their biggest project. Any move for them would be downwards in terms of club size and influence on the league- thus they didn’t want to go (and I think there was a % of loyalty to Chelsea).

    At Tottenham he doesn’t have this issue, Ledley King retired and all of the squad are relatively young guys, or missing the iconic status at Tottenham due to having not been at the club for a long time.

    For me the real adaption with AVB comes in finding a way to replace the goal threat he had out wide in Hulk (when at Porto). I don’t see Bale or Lennon coming close in the goal return stakes. That would explain why Gylfi Sigurdsson was purchased to add goals from midfield. It will take time to blend, but I think we can all agree that in the brief viewings of Spurs we’ve had this season they still look hugely dangerous.

    Thanks for taking the time to reach out, I’d love to hear your opinions on things.


  2. gbewing

    August 30, 2012 at 7:23 pm

    also for 2 consecutive weeks Morgan has done lazy analysis of Tottenham. I hear no evidence he’s actually watched the matches. His simplistic analysis (twice claiming Adabayor won’t play under contract without any evidence that is the case at Tottenham just relying on old lazy journalistic stereotypes), just flat wrong analysis “Defoe is clearly not in form” wrong, he scored a goal vs NC and actually did vs WB as well as the offsides call was wrong and played great for England before that but there’s no evidence he’s out of form, perhaps better analysis would have been “Defoe is not the type of center forward AVB needs in his formation.” but that would require someone to study and learn what the formation was – (hint 1 forward) this we don’t need to sign 2 or 3.

    • dust

      August 30, 2012 at 8:59 pm

      And I thought I was the only person who thought that. It is very lazy! just adding, “his record is what it is” at the end of an AVB critique isn’t enough. Is AVB perfect? NO but at least add some substance, some reasoning that makes sense.

      For example: His record at chelsea and his bitter end wasn’t because his system doesn’t work, or his tactics were crazy, its because he lost the locker room, there is a big difference. The fact that Dawson wants to stay and Defoe has just signed an extension shows the players like the system and the manager and have bought in to his philosophy.

      I believe the chelsea situation will end up proving to be a blip on his managerial career not a trend of things to come.

      Rodgers is doing the same thing at Liverpool that AVB was doing at Chelski the difference so far is, Rodgers doesn’t seem to have have cancer’s in the locker room like Terry and Lampard that decided because they were too slow and saw the writing on the wall that they would rebel.

      When you look at the 2 characters Terry and AVB who has the history of causing team disharmony with controversy and being a pain in the arse? ..the rest is history..

      At Spurs the lack of scoring ability is something that he inherited from Harry, it’s been a problem at the lane since the 5-0 drubbing of Newcastle. So in 2 games he is supposed to have fixed it? Ridiculous, I guess its easier to rubbish a system and tactic if you don’t understand it.

      • Laurence

        August 31, 2012 at 9:07 am

        Hey Guys,

        To start. I read all the comments that come through and we take the constructive feedback onboard. This podcast is based on opinion. We represent a few of those. Like I’ve said before, I represent the AVB camp on the podcast very often. We’ve said a few times on the podcast that the Chelsea situation does not represent AVB well or reflect his career. He’s still early on.

        I think you both acknowledge that Spurs probably do need another striker and that we’ve said before how Defoe isn’t a good fit for the system. In response to AVB needing to fix his striking options: yeh, he does. If you look at the movement of players in and out of the club during the summer he hasn’t bought in ENOUGH striking options if they intend to play with a Striker getting most of the goals.

        My analysis: he want’s more goals from midfield. We’ll see if they come.


      • Matt Duncan

        August 31, 2012 at 10:30 am

        Hi guys,

        Thanks for getting in touch. I would like to say that I believe AVB will be a success at Spurs but I am unsure that he will.

        I think that whilst his treatment at Chelsea was poor he also made a number of fundamental mistakes, being a manager is not just signing and picking the best players, it is also managing those you inherit and here he failed (whilst not being helped by Terry etc.)

        As I have said on podcasts before I think that Spurs suits AVB better than Chelsea did but I agree with Laurence, he needs to bring in another striker – Defoe will not suit his style of play and I think that Adebayor is not the kind of player that I would like to hold solely responsible for my teams goalscoring. I could be proved wrong on that one though.

        The potential signing of Moutinho is a great one and makes a big statement given how much we have seen him linked to big European clubs.

        If AVB can bring in another striker and show a little more nous in terms of his man management than he did at Stamford Bridge then he can be a success. Only time will tell.

        Once again thanks for getting in touch, opinions are everything to make the show work.


  3. gbewing

    August 30, 2012 at 7:16 pm

    you keep promoting Beat the Manager while still not presenting standings going into 3rd week in a competition no one really has a clue to how is scored but yet you promote this game continually- take care of the essentials mate, what are we playing…don’t point to the rules because there is no explanation of how results are scored.

    • The Gaffer

      August 30, 2012 at 7:58 pm

      Bart, like I said in the e-mail, we’re working on getting the leaderboard pulled together as well as sharing the points. We have a developer crunching the numbers, so as soon as he’s done, I’ll publish those on the site.

      The Gaffer

  4. Sammy

    August 30, 2012 at 11:31 am

    Can someone explain to me why the title of this podcast is “Martin lol”? I don’t get it….

    • The Gaffer

      August 30, 2012 at 12:25 pm

      Sammy, did you listen to the episode? The answer is in it.

      The Gaffer

    • Morgan Green

      August 30, 2012 at 6:13 pm

      In case you didn’t catch it he’s actually saying the word “lol” instead of referencing it L.O.L. The More You Know…

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