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Columbus Crew 1-3 West Ham United: Your Reaction To The Game And Violence


Nothing much usually happens in Ohio. Last night was an exception, though. West Ham United beat Columbus Crew 3-1 in a preseason friendly at the Columbus Crew Stadium, but most of the action happened off the pitch, not on it.According to the Washington Post, a halftime brawl between more than 100 fans marred the match.

The fights, which overshadowed West Ham United’s 3-1 win, began when a handful of West Ham supporters, some wearing the team’s claret and blue colors, entered the northeast corner of the stadium where the Crew’s most boisterous supporters typically gather.

Crew supporters began directing chants toward the rival fans, and fights quickly broke out between more than 100 Crew fans and at least 30 West Ham fans. Columbus police officers and Crew Stadium security staff eventually separated the groups.

Highway Patrol officers arrested one fan outside the stadium for disorderly conduct, Patrol spokeswoman Anne Ralston said. A dispatcher didn’t know whether Columbus police had made any arrests inside the stadium.

Were you at the game and did you witness what happened? If so, share your thoughts below by clicking the comments link.

In the meantime, here’s a report from the game where it sounds like West Ham won with ease.

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  1. matt

    November 10, 2009 at 8:34 am

    west ham fams had it tough, 30 v 100 fans, british hooligans r the best without doubt, we stated this shit back in the 80s were we was the most hated footballin country coz all we did was sit on a coach on the way to the game, sniffing cocaine then kicking peoples head in,


  2. tyrant74

    November 5, 2009 at 1:03 pm

    What a bunch of f**king losers! Both the american wannabes and the english “firms”! You fight over a sport! You risk injury or jailtime for nothing! At least REAL gangbangers fight for money or territory…y’all STOOOOPID as f**k..England, europe whatever can just fuck off with your football violence, we got enough violence in the US already and if you wanna start s**t in our streets here we just gonna shoot your pale white asses!!

  3. jamie

    October 18, 2009 at 2:48 pm

    I just think we dunn ermm 3-1 at there own ground an they couldnt take it but knowing our boys they probley wouldnt of stood a chance any way weather thay take it or not Looll iroonnzzzzzzz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  4. On their manor

    April 25, 2009 at 3:54 pm

    Steaming-in with the English

  5. kladdno

    April 13, 2009 at 5:20 pm

    Wow! All respect to the british! The originators of the game . . .
    What´s this talk of 1776? Pardon me, but what is the so called “united states” when coming to speak in terms of football?
    Stick to your bla bla bla ice hockey, bla bla bla baseball, bla bla bla american “football”.
    Honestly, these “sports” are the safest way to put a human being to sleep . . .
    You ain´t got nothing on us here in Europe ! !
    Born and living in Stockholm, there is a more than century long hatred and rivalry between the three big clubs. (=AIK, Hammarby, Djurgården.)
    Attend any derby here and enjoy the real old school feeling . . .
    Pay a visit and learn . . . .
    It´s like we in Europe always has been your older brother . . . .

  6. Doug - Hammer Fan

    April 13, 2009 at 6:48 am

    US “soccer” hooligans….what a joke…..Can’t believe you have enough fans to even start a hooligan group

  7. footballer

    December 15, 2008 at 3:08 pm

    Read the above posts so you can learn how idiotic you are in everything you say.

    Football is not meant for a bankrupt culture like America. Football is NOT for you. Give up now before you embarrass yourself further.

  8. footballer

    December 15, 2008 at 2:55 pm

    Another great post!!! You're totally right, Americans are completely pitiful when they try to copy us. For that alone, they deserve to get their asses handed to them. A bunch of lazy wannabes, they are.

    America is truly doomed

  9. footballer

    December 15, 2008 at 2:31 pm

    WELL SAID!!!!!!! Americans don't deserve to play football. They are plastic in every sense of the word. They now chant at their matches. Who did they copy that from? They name their supporters groups. Who did they copy that from as well? They named their clubs “united” and “real”. Wherever did they get those ideas?

    You Americans cannot be original in the slightest. You keep trying to be like us, but the more you try, the more you fail. Pathetic.

    Word of advice to you Septic Tanks: Stay the fuck away from our sport. Stay away from football, you don't get it and you never will.

  10. satellite keys

    December 2, 2008 at 8:19 am

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  11. Columbus Crew Fan

    August 9, 2008 at 7:36 pm

    Ok first off, Crew Hooligan….. you are a moron. You are probably one of wannabes that joined the supporter section this season just because a bunch of your buddies thought it was an excuse to act retarded.

    A couple points:

    Whether or not people are railing on the supporter groups, they have increased attendance. I have been going to Crew games for the last 7-8 years, and this season (with a winning record of course) the atmosphere has been tremendous.

    Profanity? I don’t agree with some of the chants that are common in the Nordecke, but they are not worse than something you hear in the movies or at your local HS/college. If they offend that much, there are plenty of other sections you can get seats at.

    Extreme situations? I was at the New England game as well as the majority of the games this season. There was crap thrown (beer bottles, coins, sharpened pencils, and more) but I think that game was the turning point of our groups. Our true supporters have begun to police the crowd whenever stupid crap starts. The majority of the problem are those douche bags that come to the game once in a while piss drunk and don’t care what happens no matter what. the same people kicked out of bars and clubs all over the place. I don’t have a problem with streamers. But that is the line I draw. Even though the beer bottles are PLASTIC AND DO NOT HURT, as a soccer player myself, I would get pissed about anything else than streamers or a little bit of beer.

    Hudson Street Hooligans? I am a supporter of the HSH supporter group legitimately. All of you that are “Columbus is a bunch of wankers” and crap like that, chill out. No, we do not have the prestige of many of the firms and groups across the nation, but realize this. Besides this season, when has anyone heard so much about fans of the MLS, whether good or bad? This season our group of Hudson Street and the Crew Union have grown by leaps and bounds. To even have a supporter group section as loud and outspoken like this in America (which I admit has a crappy outlook towards soccer) is awesome. The only supporter section larger is TFC, but they are Canada, and I don’t have to go any farther than that. Haha j/k.

    Give us a break. Our groups are having growing issues which I am sure that many of the more established fan groups have gone through in the past. I’m sure you all have at least one “tough guy” like Crew Hooligan in your groups as well. The majority of us just want to try and show the rest of our country why soccer is the number one sport in the wold to play and cheer on!


  12. Maluku

    August 3, 2008 at 7:31 pm

    Columbus crew firm?!!! What a joke. You think this is just like in the movies? What I saw where a bunch of West Ham shirters and not the ICF. You think this is hooliganism? Get real. Stay with your own games and stuff. Let the real firms of the world do the hooliganism before you wannabe’s get hurt.
    And if you wanna be tuff guys go to Central America or challenge Argentina’s firms like Boca and River. If you servive you can come to Europe and challenge the hundreds of firms here!

  13. Stevie T

    July 25, 2008 at 10:38 pm

    Hahaha Columbus are a bunch of fuckin pussies. They could not match up against any firm in Europe or South America. The would even get stomped by the likes of Chicago or Toronto. What a Joke.

  14. that girl

    July 25, 2008 at 12:25 am

    everything about this incident that i’ve read insinuated that the westham fans had started the whole thing. no one said anything about the crew corner calling the westham players pussies or chanting “fuck west ham”. not only that but a little bitch crew fan waited until the westham fan that hit him was getting pulled away by a guard did he hit him back.

  15. superhammer

    July 24, 2008 at 2:46 pm

    reading the posts from start to finish made me remember a joke i heard somewhile back

    an american tourist comes to london and hails a taxi and says to the driver “show me the sites of london.
    so the cabbie sets of and rounds parliment square and says to the yank “thats our houses of parliment where all our politics are debated. gees says theyank in america our whitehouse is 10 times the size of that,a little further on the cabbie says that the famous tower bridge to which the yank replies gees back in america our bridges are 10 times has big as that,the yank then spots the double golden arch and asks the cabbie what it stood for,the cabbie replies that is the sign of mcdonalds,gees says the yank in america our mcdonalds are 10 times has big has that to which the cabbie says

    we make burgers to fit our mouths

  16. Flairon

    July 24, 2008 at 2:15 pm

    A few people on here need to grow up a tad methinks!!!!!

    I read some comments on a Columbus Crew website, which suggest that the so called West Ham Fans were in fact Chicago Fire fans in West Ham colors. Now obviously I do not know if this was true, but there were several reports of Police chasing Columbus fans after the game.

    At the end of the day, the English game (please do not refer to us as ‘Brits” – we after all an English club) has cleaned significantly since the 80’s. Copy cat wanna be hooligans are a decade or two too late!

    No lets all grow up and actually try to enjoy the beautiful game of football.

  17. chris

    July 24, 2008 at 1:33 pm

    Crew firm hahahaha you yanks amaze the world time after time. that wasnt an organised meet between 2 firms you bunch of cunts. if was a few hammers on their hoildays pissed off at your stupid chants..and they had the bollocks to get in your end and confront your 2 bob ”firm” . if your so called crew firm vere stepped the shores of england you would see how its done..not a few drinnks chucked and a few handbags swung. and just so you know the ICF doesnt exist anymore… new younger groups come through sure but ICF died in the 90’s

  18. Pompeyluvva

    July 24, 2008 at 10:52 am

    Hooliganism at TFC games? Don’t make me laugh. It’s been pretty calm since the Chilean and Argentinian under-20s left town, and there wasn’t really “hooliganism” at that match, either — just Latin passion turbocharged by too many pints of bad lager.

  19. JOHN

    July 24, 2008 at 6:37 am

    Please americans don’t try to replicate anything that happens in countries with 100+ years footballing history. Violence escalated because of poverty and local pride. Of course this isn’t an exscuse its still stupid but America has many many years of sporting history and the violence isn’t in that. I’ve been to a fair few nba and nhl games and it is a totally different enviroment to the rest of the worlds sport. It is very family orientated and so much is artifiically done to keep you entertained in breaks of play. This is alot harder in football but I’m sure you lot can work something out to suit your tastes. It sounds so ridiculous “American Soccer hooligans” and to those completly blaming the Westham fans your totally wrong in my opinion. English (don’t say ‘Brits’ please) Football hooligans only fight those who want to fight back so something must have happened from the columbus side aswell. Please America don’t mess up your sporting culture. I’m sure Football is going to grow and grow to be massive like it is around the world where everything that happens at your club has some effect on your daily life and obviously Football violence will have negative consequences on your society. Stick to your weird(to us) USA USA. “Lets go….” “You suck!” stuff. America have never come across as a country who would copy another so this is why i find it so strange.

    PS don’t state things as facts when they are not. America did not win WW2 it was a joint effort by many, America came in towards the end but still played their part.

    While i’m not pretending to be an expert wasn’t there ‘Brits’ on both sides of the American war of independance? Otherwise how can you explain why over 25million+ Americans have English ancestory?

  20. British Hammer

    July 23, 2008 at 4:11 pm

    Ok i was at the westham game, in the westham section, and yes i know full well what happened. But i have a few messages to send out, first of to jeremy (hsc) first of you aint nothing like millwall, as it werent even a fight, cos if it was your small crowd of crew followers would not be making a comment so early, and also a message goes out to a so called 19 year old crew supporter/hooligan lol whatever, buddy you have no idea what a fight is, cos like i said before it werent even a fight….BUT this is the most important thing that everyone has forgotten to mention, that day when only a handfull of westham supporters went over the the so called crew supporters, didnt you guys hear that the chants that were coming your way were from americans ? lol YES american westham supporters, so you see there were no ICF or english supporters giving ya crap, so we just looked over at you lot, and thought it was laughable how many crew supporters you didnt have, maybe get a smaller studium and then you might fill some seats, but hey as im sure i speak for all english hammers, hey talk is cheap, but come to east london, and you will find out what a fight is really like, hey we only went to the game to watch westham play, as we are loyal and solid supporters, but if ya want a fight, then make sure you have the english there, like someone said to me that day, looks like a few handfull of americans were trying to be like the english and ya they failed. No fighting doesnt solve anything, but do not say you fought with the english when it was american hammer fans chanting aint ya lol, but hey i enjoyed the game and nice to see we played alot of youth on the pitch to, it was good to see crew have westham there, maybe next time dont leave it so long, hopefully you might get an invite back at upton park then you`ll know whats it like to get in a ruck…

  21. maddog

    July 23, 2008 at 9:05 am

    you would never no football violence if it hit you in the face..
    watch any english ,dutch, german football violence videos and you would never compete with or out the stadium.
    new film coming soon is called CASS A west ham boy. you yanks would shit yourself if you see him.
    Learn from the pros.
    Bye the way i do like all your sports.

  22. StepneyIron, London

    July 22, 2008 at 9:07 pm

    50 steve davis // Jul 22, 2008 at 9:07 am.

    The North Bank Highbury had some respected lads during the late ’60’s and ’70’s. Hoy, Putney, Pentonville, etc. I knew a lot of your boys, but don’t make me laugh mate. I went to virtually every encounter between 1967 and 1978 and the Mile End and subsequently the TBF took the North Bank every time. Either you are dreaming or I am suffering from senile decay. Don’t answer that!

    As for our American cousins (who I will always have affection for), if you ever venture across the pond to London come over to Upton Park and experience a real atmosphere at a real football ground. You will be perfectly safe. Don’t waste your time going to one of these new generic bowl stadiums like Arsenal’s Emirates, even if the football on offer is marginally better (even I have to admit that last point).

  23. oxford casual uk

    July 22, 2008 at 5:26 pm

    bit of 80s thats all

  24. Come on You Crew

    July 22, 2008 at 4:20 pm

    Reply 51, why don’t you come down to Crew Stadium or another MLS park and tell me only 4 people care? You are a typical prat Brit. I did not see England or Scotland in the European Finals this summer. Maybe they want to compete in CONCACAF since you and your type seem so interested in putting down MLS and the US teams.

  25. Len the Hammer

    July 22, 2008 at 12:12 pm

    But on a more serious note, talking about Football that is, I think we should make the most of laughing at the septics and their struggle to make “Sawker” (yuk) a major sport over there as I think in the not too distant future they will become, if not a force, a very well respected nation in world Football.
    I’ve been over there coaching a few times and they’ve got a really good system over there not just with the schools and Colleges, but also with the Clubs.
    They are developing really good players at grass roots and have invested a fortune on coaching.
    So like I say, make the most of it because much as I hate to say it, the septics are coming.

  26. Hammer Time

    July 22, 2008 at 11:47 am

    and I agree with Len

    Steve you are a twat!

    and thats that!


  27. Hammer Time

    July 22, 2008 at 11:45 am

    Oh Dear, looks like we touched a sore point with you lot!

    England were at war with Japan on the front line before the USA -FACT we occupied a lot of their initial invasion countries…so there!

    dont believe everything you see in your movies lads…a lot of it is glorification

    Credit due though, if it werent for the USA, Australia, NZ, Poles, French, Dutch and of course OUR forefathers…we would be german, but who gives a toss now!

    back to footie…you suck!

  28. Len the Hammer

    July 22, 2008 at 10:19 am

    Steve Davis, Don’t make me laugh. I was at every game we played at Highbury in the 70’s and at every game the North Bank got drowned in Claret & Blue while you lot vanished into thin air.
    I also remember the day of the Orange smoke bombs when you lot ran for your lives.
    A gooner trying to call anyone “all talk”? Give it a rest!
    As for the ICF, it was a rallying cry more than an actual firm. The top firm ever at West Ham were the Mile End mob. NO ONE messed with them EVER.
    But seriously, if this bunch of pillocks think they’ve been clever going all that way to steam a bunch of septics they’re either off their heads, made of money or probably both. They could have had a night out in Ilford and had a row with whoever they liked and saved themselves a fortune in the process.
    Them and the septics richly deserve each other. PATHETIC!!!!!!

  29. Johnny on the Spot

    July 22, 2008 at 9:48 am

    I wonder whey everyone thinks the MLS is a joke except for their 12 fans?

    Oh yeah!

  30. steve davis

    July 22, 2008 at 9:07 am

    Boys, You have to understand that Westham think they are the toughest outfit because they are in East London. But I learned many years ago when I ran with the Boys from the Northbank that Hammers are all talk. I wish to thank the boys at the Crew who I guess call themselves The Firm, (I like that). I remeber back in 72 when some mates and myself ran the East Londoners back to their slum. It was at the ClockEnd at Highbury and was pretty ugly. It’s good to see a new crop of young guys having fun. By the way, most of this stuff has always been chanting, pushing and a few fists throw hear and there. Sometime it got a little rougher.

  31. Lampwatcher

    July 22, 2008 at 9:06 am

    I’m intrigued… I didn’t watch the match , but have been reading a bit about the backlash.
    I was unaware that the ICF had re-emerged from the retirement home to take on the Mighty ‘something or another from Dishwater, USA’. Must be tough taking on guys on zimmerframes and wheelchairs.

    The naivity being shown on this blog is ridiculous. I like America they are a bit like your cousin with clubfoot who you don’t mention that much how ever are kind to over Christmas.

    If ‘whoopingyerass’ constititues a bit of pushing and aimless punches congratulations, in England that is a girly fight.

    If occurs to me that you just wouldn’t stand a chance against a real ‘firm’. Possibly the fans of ‘netball’ oh thats another sport you based basketball on.

  32. InfoSec

    July 22, 2008 at 5:52 am

    As a long-time Hammers fan, I thought that is was just hilarious. The Crew fans were drowned out by the die-hard Hammers fans even though we were outnumbered 3-1 in the stadium. Their support, well, you know…. I thought is was rather fitting that Curbs went the extra mile to insult the Crew by putting in our second string keeper just as if to say “Why waste Robert Green’s talent on these lackeys”. I enjoyed every minute of the game. As for the violence, I found it equally amusing that the Crew supporters seemed to only accost Hammer fans when they had significant numbers to their advantage. C’mon mates, have a little class!!

  33. StepneyIron, London

    July 22, 2008 at 3:17 am

    What a lot of old cock and bull being spouted on here. If the ICF had been there they would have done the place over good and proper, instead of a bit of pushing and shoving and beer throwing.

    Fact is the ICF has not existed since the early ’90’s. In truth it ceased to exist in 1986. A lot of the boys still go today because they love the club and love football, but they don’t get involved.

    I know a few blokes went over for the game but I think this was more an all American affair, with a few people in the Claret & Blue intoxicated by too many viewings of Green St.

    By the way, there is a film being released 1st August called Cass. I think this will be far more realistic of what it was like running with the West Ham firm back in the 1970’s & 1980’s than Green St., Rise of the Footsoldier, and The Firm put together.

  34. Setting the record straight

    July 21, 2008 at 10:56 pm

    heres how i see this:
    1. i find it very hard to come up with a stupider activity than fighting over sports. it doesnt matter who started it, who was right and all that bs. grown-ups walk away from drunken morons looking to fight over nothing. “protecting our turf”… give me a break, this is columbus, not compton.

    2. regardless of who started it, the fact is that both teams reputations preceed them. west ham is second only to millwall, as we all know they even made a movie about their hooligans. and we here in America all know about columbus.

    it does appear to me that these west hammers were looking for a fight. i am all for self defense, but the crew fan groups should have just ignored them or called security. that would have been the grown up thing to do, especially considering they have been in hot water about this crap before. crew fans missed a big opportunity here to prove all of their haters wrong.

    whats up with the wet spam fans anyway? were they mostly english who just flew over or were they americans (or brits who have lived here for awhile)? sounds like an awful waste of money to fly all the way to america just to fight some mls fans.

    “we want america to see what we are about”… well, west ham, we see what you are about, and we want nothing to do with it. blow your bubbles somewhere else.

  35. eplnfl

    July 21, 2008 at 10:55 pm

    Hammer for Life:

    You really need sensitivity training!

  36. Kartik

    July 21, 2008 at 10:39 pm

    Thank you for telling Crew Man what I was trying to be nice about. Hadn’t everyone figured out that the Crew was putting no effort out in order to West Ham some practice. How many people attended the game anyway.

    I do need to talk with you about American history and WW2, save it to say that America’s role in WW2 is larger then you give it credit for, although even being Captain America, I must admit that the USSR broke the German backs in the war. England stood alone and the world owes them still to this day for doing so. The Pacific war was an American war and no other nation did and could of fought two major wars at one time. The major achievement of the war was America fighting in both oceans at one time and supporting the effort of England and Russia with vast materials.

    Lets talk about the War for Independence later, but enough to say that the Crown had to hire Germans and still couldn’t keep us down! Ok, and the French did help.

  37. Hammer For Life

    July 21, 2008 at 10:28 pm

    The spirit of 66 will never die.

    England won in 66

    West Ham made 66

    You twat Yanks would not understand

    You should stop playing football or excuse me SOCCER.

    You do not even know the name of the sport

    You do not have any quality

    Crew quality is all latin. The Boca great, Schelotto is there. But who else? A Yank? That is a laugh.

    Your supporters do not know the rules

    Go watch basketball or baseball yanks and leave football to the nation that invented the sport and the only nation that plays it the way it was meant to be.

    The Latins flip and flop and the Italians cheat. We will prevail over any firm. Sicilians, Americans, Spanish. They all lose to us.

    Undefeated for 30 years and counting…………

  38. Jozy

    July 21, 2008 at 10:08 pm

    Ohio has just met Inner City Firm.

  39. Kartik

    July 21, 2008 at 10:06 pm

    Let me point out about the game specifically, Columbus played two starters, so essentially West Ham beat a reserve MLS side that would probably struggle to beat a semi-pro side in our PDL 3 to 1. That’s something to be very proud of, Hammers fans. At least you didn’t lose to worst team in MLS, like Everton did last year to Real Salt Lake.

  40. eplnfl

    July 21, 2008 at 10:00 pm

    Crew Man:

    I am not proud that you are a fellow American with talk like that. Defend our territory is something for the Army to worry about not a soccer fan.

    I get the strong feeling that you may not like the make up of the Houston and Chivas fan base and that is a sign of your weakness. That is an attitude America can do without, so why don’t you just join those bad English fans you so hate. You sound no different to me.

    I am proud that in Chicago fans of all ethnic back rounds join together in support of The Chicago Fire. While I admit some of the fans of various Mexican teams will get on each other at the games, you find the Chicago fans an example of what a sport can do to bring people together.

    Any other American’s that feel a need to defend your territory please join the military and stay out of soccer stadiums.

  41. Kartik

    July 21, 2008 at 9:55 pm

    So much misinformation and nonsensical rhetoric in these responses it is comical.

    First off. 1776 was simply a date. The colonies were being slaughtered in the war and it wasn’t until Saratoga and French entry into the war in 1778 that the tide turned. So some of us Americans would rather not recall 1776 when New York was occupied by the tories and the cause seemed lost.

    Secondly, Britain didn’t capitulate to the Germans the way other European countries did and hardly needed American help to stave of the Germans. What they did need was American help to finally liberate Europe. But the UK did well on its own as did the USSR in that war. American aid helped but to assume the English would have fallen without American military help is not grounded in any way factually. Truthfully as far as Europe was concerned the US was the third most important actor on the Allied side but clearly the most important one in the Pacific.

    Now back to the football. Crew man you are a racist. If you are who I think you are, you were among those who asked me to stop appeasing the canucks or some such thing a few months ago. Now you’re attacking Houston and Chivas fans because they are somewhat darker than you. Mexican troublemakers? The real troublemakers are people like you who don’t seem to accept that our country unlike many in the west has long been a melting pot and no amount of tough talk on a message board or blog is going to change that.

    If you want to talk to me directly about you and your friends disgraceful behavior at Crew Stadium email me at

    Oh and for those who said this weekend that Columbus ought to be invited to Superliga because they had the best fans in the league, can you imagine if this sort of disgraceful behavior advocated by racists like Crew Man took place in a tournament match against a top mexican team? All I can say is thank goodness for American Soccer and the harmony of the races that Columbus did not qualify for Superliga.

  42. brent

    July 21, 2008 at 8:56 pm

    Sheesh, this thread is like 95% trolling.

  43. Crew Man

    July 21, 2008 at 8:47 pm

    u brits r asking 4 it.

    what has england or scotland won in football in recent times.

    u came to columbus and disrespect us american support and the crew. you disrespect mls and disrespect soccer here. you in fact disrespect anything not comfortable like britain 4 u.

    we proved to u how it should be. u don’t come into our house and pretend it is ur house. we would not go to stamford bridge or upton park and behave as if we owned the place.

    u may have invented football but the brits are no good at it. looked 4 u in the euros and didn’t see u. must have missed the england match. how did u do at euro?

    hey u tool kartik. the chivas and houston fans are scummy and do not belong in our parts. u defending them tells me all i need to know of u. u lack any credibility if u r going to defend mexican troublemakers while not defending our american territory.

  44. DublinerInKentucky

    July 21, 2008 at 8:01 pm

    Was at the game with my 9 year old son…the slaggings and banter was good from the West ham and Crew sections…didn’t see the aggro at half time as we were getting some scran, but I did see the security make the ICF take down a huge flag from the stands behind the goal “ICF 30 Years Undefeated” on it
    Bit of aggro in the parking lot as well, but plenty of cops around and just a bit of drunken lads giving it mouth. The one fella who ran off from the cops after the game was being tracked by a police helicopter…seemed a bit much to have that there but I guess the cops were ready for some aggro.
    Not a bad game for July to be honest…the speed of play, comfort on the ball, awareness and overall control from the West ham players showed a real gulf between the two leagues.

  45. eplnfl

    July 21, 2008 at 6:57 pm

    When I read about this in the paper this morning I was stunned. Especially since I have tickets for the Fire-Everton game in two weeks. Is this what I can expect from traveling English fans. Do not take that comment to excuse any bit of the behavior of the Crew fans that clearly is criminal in nature.

    I saw`reports of trouble at the Fire v. TFC game last week in Chicago. I was there but did not see any illegal or disorderly behavior. The comments by certain so called fans taking pride in their actions are utter garbage. Are we seeing a upswing in unlawful fan behavior at MLS games. The evidence is YES! Does it take some kind of outside spark to cause the violence or behavior, it appears so.

    So the issue is why? In my opinion the fan behavior reflects a general increase in the level of criminal behavior in the US. There is no secret here that hard economic times leads to more anti-social behavior. I’ve seen it in the NFL over the years and MLB, hard times and poorly performing teams lead to fans being out of control. The games become nothing but an excuse to act out the frustrations of the fans on and off the field with the aid of alcohol.

    Are soccer fans in the US or anywhere else bound to exhibit criminal behavior. No not at all. Is soccer in the US large enough to provide an outlet for the fans frustrations, yes. Do we have to accept this now. Is paying $4.50 a gallon for gas and seeing you well paid factory job outsourced a source of good feeling. Hell no! After a few beers and a bad game it becomes easy but not right to justify a lot of behavior.

  46. Chicago Fire Fan

    July 21, 2008 at 6:51 pm

    you Brits keep coming here and pissing on us.

    you claim because we play a different style of football more technical and influenced by mexico that we should stick to baseball.

    i have no love for columbus crew. hate them actually but i am so proud of those boys in ohio who stood up for the red white and blue, mls and themselves and kicked the snot out of the hooligan brits .

    when i return from my florida vacation i am ready to join the fight, columbus.

    the brits come here looking for trouble. they come to american websites or any articles about us or mls saying stick to baseball, and always say we don’t know the game because we call it soccer and say a field. man for a country with so little in the way of recent football accomplishments you certainly think highly of yourselves. or maybe you need us to pick on because the germans, french and italians always kick you the rear end!

  47. Association_Football_Fan

    July 21, 2008 at 6:47 pm

    12 Crew Hooligan // Jul 21, 2008 at 10:15 am – “I’m 19 and live in Columbus, we will fight any firm in the world.”


    Stick to baseball mate.

  48. Crewser

    July 21, 2008 at 6:32 pm

    Ok. If it wasn’t for the yanks, you’d be German.

  49. Claret and Blue

    July 21, 2008 at 6:19 pm

    Crew Hooligan – just a note

    Brits has one T, Its the ICF as in Inter City Firm

    Also learning about soccer has nothing to do with violence

    But the worst thing is being proud to admit you had fewer supporters than the away fans, what sort of club can attract fewer fans to a game than one based over 3000 miles and an ocean away

    Oh, and 1776, I’d look a little closer at the history books, if it hadn’t been for the French you would still be just another colony.

  50. Kartik

    July 21, 2008 at 4:26 pm

    USA in 2018

    I agree with you on some points but also disagree on a few things which makes Columbus far and away the biggest offenders in MLS or USL.

    1) Portland has rowdy fans that sing throughout the matches but hardly ever pick fights with the other teams supporters.

    2) In Houston you describe the incident correctly but failed to mention the club itself and the other large supporters group the Texian Army took strong action against EB and little trouble has occurred since.

    3) Chivas USA banned several members of a supporters group that picked a fight with the LA Riot squad outside the SuperClassico match in April from several matches and the entire Supporters groups choose to sit out the matches in solidarity with their members.

    4) DC has had no violence or trouble between the Barra Brava which tend to be Latinized and the Screaming Eagles which are not.

    5) TFC dealt with the problems of violence on the GO trains after matches as well as frequent pitch invaders and no trouble has occurred since. The Metropolitan police in Toronto have increased their presence around the ground on matchdays.

    6) New York has had assorted rowdy behavior but as some other writers bemoan the ejection of many Red Bull fans Saturday night versus the Galaxy let me applaud the police for stamping out trouble before it started.

    Now let’s look at Columbus and contrast it with the above situations:

    1- Columbus did not adequately police the tailgate area before the season opener with Toronto and thus many TFC fans were attacked and with a lack of port o lets for such a large tailgate area, inevitably tensions flared and not only did fans piss on the ground but they began fighting w/ one another.

    2- At the same match the police presence was so minimal several TFC fans were able to storm the pitch and head towards the goal Columbus was defending.

    3- When I discussed the Toronto situation openly and honestly and tried to engage TFC fans on my CSRN show the complaints about me being “too soft on the canucks” all seemed to come from Crew fans. Days later several Crew fans were shouting racial obscenities at New England players.

    4- The organization and supporters group in complete contrast to the strong a decisive actions of Chivas USA and Houston in fighting hooliganism tried to cover up the situation and wouldn’t give up the individuals involved. The team would not take action so the league had to after several embarrassing columns were written in newspapers, some of which hardly cover the sport normally.

    5- In defiance of a league wide ban Columbus fans began sprayed confetti and streamers on opposing players while attempting a corner. Now I cannot recall the specific match but it was done. Why the security did not confiscate the items at the gate is beyond anyone’s comprehension.

    6- A bottle was thrown on the pitch during a Crew home match in June. Again I cannot recall the specific match but it happened.

    7- The Crew hooligans yesterday started a fight with the West Ham group. Now West Ham has a reputation for having rowdy fans, but we’ve hosted English clubs before and never had trouble. As I mentioned earlier the Crew hosted Everton two years ago, played them to nationally televised draw and no problems occurred.

    Here is my thesis. Hate me if you wish: Columbus attendance once the highest in MLS has now become among the worst in the league. I believe the organization, desperate to create an “atmosphere” and attract new fans is purposely turning a blind eye to the things other organizations are stamping out immediately. As I have said to this point we’ve had no repeat incidents in Houston, Toronto or LA because those matters were dealt with by the club before the next home match. Columbus on the other hand has allowed things to fester. They are going to have to take action this time for the good of MLS and Soccer in this country.

    It’s really a shame. At one time the Crew were the model for MLS. They built their own ground while the rest of the league was still using NFL/College Football stadiums and had such a good record of finding players and developing talent. But this year’s version of the Crew while talented on the pitch has left a sour taste in many people’s mouths because this stuff just keep happening and happening.

    Please, Columbus clean up your own mess and stop blaming others for your problems.

  51. Ryan

    July 21, 2008 at 3:45 pm

    I doubt hooliganism will hurt America’s bid, it is a serious problem no doubt, but its not like the countries we will likely be competing with for the 2018 bid do not have big histories of hooliganism in their past as well.

  52. USA in 2018

    July 21, 2008 at 3:21 pm

    This doesn’t help the cause of getting the World Cup here. The truth is hooliginism in a indigenious American form is growing in MLS and USL. It doesn’t have to be exactly like the British form to be hooliginism much like it doesn’t have to be exactly in the British form to be football. We have a lot of segregation going on within stadiums with latins sitting in one section, afro-carribeans in another and whites in another. This is going on all over the US, and with different race/ethnic based supporters clubs their have been fights . Houston and DC for example have supporters groups of different racial makeups that are coming close to trouble. Same for Chivas. The EB in Houston started a fight with Legion 1908 from Chivas because of class divisions in Mexico.

    The whole thing is getting out of hand.

  53. Sexy Momma

    July 21, 2008 at 2:55 pm

    You all are stupid. Why try to look so cool over a stupid soccer game that you lost. I am from Columbus and I went to the game because I had free tickets. It is the Crew, If it was the Buckeyes I could possible see reasoning behind the fighting. They had to build a stage there so that they could keep it open. No one ever goes to the games. So if there was no stage, there would be no money. We went to this one becasue West Ham is GOOD. We would not have gone if they were not playing. I just wanted you all to know how stupid you all look on here trying to act GANGSTER over a stupid soccer game that was supposed to be basically practice. You all are lame!

  54. Jason

    July 21, 2008 at 2:45 pm

    MLS Rumors is the Perez Hilton of soccer blogs. I wouldn’t believe them if they had a post saying the sky is blue and the grass is green.

    Bill is exactly right: one racist loudmouth doesn’t mean everyone there is a racist. As far as what happened last night, it wasn’t any worse than what happens after 49er-Raiders games.

    Hell, I recall during the NHL playoffs Dallas Stars fans complaining on the Dallas News hockey blog about the treatment they were getting in Detroit.

  55. truehammer

    July 21, 2008 at 2:39 pm

    crew hooligan do u even no wot a hooligan is? its not fat americans throwin beer and shouting at each uva and the impression i got from the press is that u outnumbered us 100-30 there simply isnt 1000 icf hooligans left i doubt there was that many west ham fans in the stadium and we stil done ya. but really u did well 2 lose against a firm 20 years past its best lol

  56. Crew Man

    July 21, 2008 at 2:34 pm

    u brits should watch out because we r d strongest firm in america. u had a many year start on us but we have come to fight. no one comes to crew stadium and disrespects us. no one. brit, american, canadian, african, anything!

    the above comments are correct. we are tough and proud. we do not want crew stadium to take on the crowd that the galaxy and others are courting driving mercedes and sipping martinis. when u face the crew u face a fight. understand?

    we do not look for trouble but fight back when faced with trouble. toronto fans came and caused trouble. then new england players gave us the bird. now west ham. screw you kartik on the streamers. everyone does it but the league singled out us because we are the ones changing the league changing mls making it a real football experience. you do not like streamers or crew? go watch usl or pdl you woos!

    • whutilidie

      May 20, 2010 at 12:41 am

      shouldnt the stringest firm be setting travel records liike dc united did in the opening of the season

  57. Kartik

    July 21, 2008 at 1:51 pm

    Check out for a good interview with Dougie Brimson on the subject of Columbus.

    The interview was conducted last night by my friends at the site.

  58. Hammer time

    July 21, 2008 at 1:41 pm

    obviosly i meant Enjoy…fingers got excited¬LOL

  59. Hammer time

    July 21, 2008 at 1:40 pm

    shut up you bunch of idiots…its about a game called football…the English invented and its OURS…fighting at stadia is for idiots and bragging about it is for retards…glad I could not get to the USA coz i reckon the fans over there suck! you know nothing about the call us all ICF but dont even know what it means

    get on with just watching football and enjoying the players skills and you might enjoty it!

  60. Matt

    July 21, 2008 at 1:39 pm

    Oh behave, most of you wouldn’t know hooliganism if it walked into you. Hooliganism in MLS? Yeah right! No doubt the American press will continue to enforce the stupid image Americans have of English football hooligans.

  61. Dayton

    July 21, 2008 at 12:51 pm

    I hate to see people fighting over a friendly, but I love to see America excited about futbol. By the way Charlie if you want to get away from the language get a better seat. The higher class seats usually mean the higher class English. The worst language I hear is actually at high school games. Especially big schools playing in regional and state championships. Although the worst was played at Crew Stadium…………….

  62. Charlie

    July 21, 2008 at 12:27 pm

    The real disgrace is the number of $9 beers being chucked at one another. Fighting at a friendly seemed absolutely absurd to me, but my boys seemed to get a kick out of it. Crew need to do something abou the language coming out of the corner. If families can’t take their kids to the games, MLS will die for sure.

  63. Kartik

    July 21, 2008 at 11:34 am

    One incident?

    Go to any website that cover hooliganism in this league including some of the papers websites including Steve Goff’s Washington Post blog and Faank Delappa in the Boston Globe and they will have twice as many articles and mentions of problems at Crew Stadium than all other places in the league combined.

    Moreover, if you go to MLS Rumors you’ll find McCullers statement as well as details as to all the trouble at Crew Stadium every week. Columbus has had more trouble than the rest of the league combined this year. Bottles, racism, streamers, fights, etc. Disgusting. Really discrediting the game. Your fans are right now the embarrassment of the league. As a media member I don’t lob accusations out there without cause. Columbus has given everyone plenty of cause for concern. What’s even worse is your supporters continue to blame everyone else for the continued troubles at Crew Stadium.

    Having not made the playoffs since 2004 makes you guys also rans in this league. It’s really a shame. I loved the Crew in the days with Stern John, Cunningham and McBride and still have the foremost respect for Guille and Sigi Schmid. They deserve better than your fans.

  64. Bill

    July 21, 2008 at 11:12 am

    What is with this “Kartik” guy? Are you even remotely sane?

    There was ONE incident this year when ONE “Crew fan” (or at least a fan in Crew stadium) used ONE racial epithet ONCE.

    Management joined with the Supporters groups, managed to get a photo of the guy and he has been banned for life.

    Other than that, what exactly are all these many, many horrible incidents you refer to?

    What soccer haters like Rome and Wilbon talk about isn’t the Crew’s problem. They’ll seize on anything to bash soccer. If it wasn’t that it would be something else. Go to YouTube and you’ll find dozens of Jim Rome anti-soccer rants. So what?

    Most of the rest of your posts are simply lies. McCullers NEVER blamed TFC fans for anything.

    There was ONE guy who yelled something mean ONCE and then a month later 15-20 West Ham clowns tried to start a fight. NOT “five incidents of hooliganism and racism” as you say.

    The reason Columbus played West Ham instead of SUperLiga as only four MLS teams are (meaning that the other TEN are of “no importance” according to you) is because the league asked them to. The Hammers flew over and wanted a tuneup on American soil before the All Star Game.

    Columbus is the closest league city to Toronto, where the game will be played, so MLS asked COlumbus to provide the game.

    Your verison is simply made up stupidity and you are a liar.

    It’s no wonder nobody listens to your dumb show. You’re a retard.

    According to you “Columbus fans continue” trying to destroy the league reputation with their terrible behavior. Which is absurd. The Hammers fans walked the entire length of the building and made it ten rows into the Crew section wghere they – read the news report, idiot – they then attacked some Crew fans. The piture above is in the Crew supporter’s section.

    So the WH fans went over to the Crew section and started a fight which, according to you, is another example of Crew fan bad behavior?

    You’re just too stupid and dishonest to bother with.

  65. Jeremy

    July 21, 2008 at 11:09 am

    One of the leaders of Hudson Street was the one to get hit with the taser and instantly start outrunning over half a dozen cops. I was right behind him when that happened. Did the cops really think they were going to catch a soccer player? Best aftergame ever! and the guy that got arrested was lik 250 lbs and pretty much outran the highway patrol guys until he was tripped (by a Hammers fan I believe). We were all behind him cheering him on! GO! RUN! YOU’RE FREE!

  66. Mike

    July 21, 2008 at 10:52 am

    hahahah – this is the most funniest thing I have ever heard!! “American Soccer Hooligans”!! hahahah

    “this is how we roll…. “!! hahaha sorry composing myself now.

  67. Kartik

    July 21, 2008 at 10:34 am

    This is a nightmare. My phone has been ringing off the hook about this incident.

    Months ago when I targeted Columbus fans on the American Soccer Show and my blog and got nothing but hate and vitriol and “oh Toronto is the hooligans, we promote family atmosphere” b/s.

    We even had Crew fans spam my blog with attacks on TFC and threats of not bringing their types to Crew Stadium. We had Columbus fans blaming their attendance woes on other teams “hooligans”

    The behavior in Columbus has already been used as convenient fodder for Jim Rome, Tony Kornheiser, Brian Burwell and all the other insular, immigrant hating, soccer bashing media elites in the US.

    We did not need this to happen now, right in the middle of summer after the momentum from the Euros and the first round of Superliga both of which got excellent TV ratings and hooked new fans on the game. The fact that Columbus i playing friendlies while other MLS sides are in a serious competition like Superliga tells you the relative importance of their club.

    Now their fans continue the season long campaign to destroy the credibility of this game with our press and fans we are in the process of educating about the wonderful aspects of football. So many people in the US are afraid of football because of how its been depicted in the press and movies here as a showdown for hooligans. Having a team like the Crew in middle america run by its most violent fans is not helping the cause in this country.

  68. Crew Hooligan

    July 21, 2008 at 10:15 am

    I’m 19 and live in Columbus, we will fight any firm in the world. Even when out-numbered in our own stadium. I was involved in the incident, which is completely West Hams fault (8-12 IFC stood directly behind the Crew section, when immediately asked to leave by security they threw up their fists like they wanted to fight. 3/4 of the Crew section emptied to the NE side of the stadium. The remaining 1000+ IFC left their section and met us by the concession, when the first punch was thrown by a CREW FIRM MEMBER mace was used and stopped any progress for a brawl.) It’s how we do things in COLUMBUS, try not to sleep on us, or we will be your worst nightmare…on and off the pitch. Also, I apologize to those who don’t understand the passion involved in this situation. We will NEVER allow someone (especially Britts) to come to our stadium and push us around, sorry…..Please don’t forget 1776, history tends to repeat itself, British getting destroyed.

    I hope the U.S is starting to realize a thing or two about “soccer”

    • Hammer86

      August 9, 2009 at 10:33 am

      My days your an idiot, thats ‘how you do in columbus?’ is it? Fans from the other side of the atlantic, stroll into you stand, out numbered and held their ground… thats called ‘gettin turned over my friend’. doubt it was even the ICF, probably just a bunch of lads haavin a drink and wanting to amuse themselves on hols yank bashing… pop over to Upton park and see how far you get with all your limbs LOL

  69. Pgh Hammer

    July 21, 2008 at 9:56 am

    The reports are overrated, security was a joke, but it was a good game nonetheless. I was a bit surprised though when two crew idiots tried to attack me in the parking lot while I was with my pregnant wife. Alot of class!!!!!!!!!!

  70. Robert Paulsen

    July 21, 2008 at 9:37 am

    The whole night was highlighted by seeing a guy get hit by a taser, only to rip it out of his back and somehow manage to completely outrun the half a dozen cops chasing him. I really hope somebody got a video of that. The game itself, meh.

  71. Simon Burke

    July 21, 2008 at 8:51 am

    When the Sons of Ben get in we could have an East Coast clone of this – there are going to be crazy I fear.

  72. Kartik

    July 21, 2008 at 8:37 am

    I’d also like to point out MLS’ reaction to this is to ban streamers at Crew Stadium and to throw one fan out for life.

    Until the Crew are docked points for not policing themselves nothing is going to change. The culture of Hooliganism that has taken hold at Crew Stadium combined with the inability of American police forces to understand what they are facing and deal with it the way the English police or Italian police deal with these things means we will continue to have incidents like this at every Crew match. Those of you who do not follow MLS don’t realize that this is an old story! It has happened at just about every Crew match this year! Until these fans are dealt with it will continue to happen.

  73. Jeremy (HSC)

    July 21, 2008 at 8:37 am

    Yo we are the US version of Millwall FC, London, England, Europe!

    Watch out or the crew gonna get you! ICF you are whack! the HSC reign supreme!


  74. Kartik

    July 21, 2008 at 8:31 am

    The Crew should be ashamed of their performance. Two years ago they were a credit to the league when with the worst record in MLS they drew Everton and probably should have won.

    Now they get smashed by West Ham and for probably the 5th time this year they have had an incidence of Hooliganism or racism. For those that don ‘t follow MLS we’ve been dealing with this all season from Columbus and their hoodlum of supporters. Recently Mark McCullers their GM blamed Toronto’s fans for brining this culture to MLS. Whether that is the case or not it is the Crew fans who have brought discredit to the league and to soccer in the eyes of the American media and public with their incidents of throwing glass bottles on the pitch, shouting racist slogans towards New England players, throwing streamers at players when they take corners and general rowdy behavior. Every Crew home game their is an incident like this. I feel bad for the good people who support West Ham who thought this would be a nice benign holiday. Going to Crew Stadium is anything but these days.

  75. Ronaldo's Bad Ankle

    July 21, 2008 at 8:30 am

    whack yo columbus is whack the red bulls are going to score from the PK zone y’all!

  76. Ronaldo's Good Ankle

    July 21, 2008 at 8:19 am

    That’s how we roll in the 6-1-4

  77. betsy's bolton bum baster

    July 21, 2008 at 8:09 am

    ohio is whack

  78. Patrick

    July 21, 2008 at 8:00 am

    It was mostly shoving and a couple of beers tossed around. I am not sure what the Crew supporters could have done otherwise because Nick was right about security. The stadium security was slow to step in and the halftime activities were only broken up when the police got involved.

  79. nick

    July 21, 2008 at 7:49 am

    I was at the game, and the violence was funny! There is NO security in MLS football (soccer over here)! It wasn’t that bad and it added great flavor to the match. West Ham look really good, but Columbus didn’t play their starting side. Good outing for the Hammers.

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