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Take Me Out to the Ballgame – Week 25

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After week 25 the numbers look like this…

 5 year comparison
 WK 25175 GPYTD
 Avg+/-GPAvg+/-Avg+/-GP
 2005  15,302   6  14,878   14,912   162 
 2006  12,373  -19.15%  8  15,115  1.59%  14,997  0.57%  167 
 2007  18,809  52.02%  8  16,497  9.14%  16,251  8.36%  167 
 2008  15,671  -16.68%  7  16,469  -0.17%  16,873  3.83%  168 
 2009  10,176  -35.06%  3  15,744  -4.40%  15,732  -6.76%  175 

YTD – 175 Games
 AverageMedian%<10K%>20k
 2005   14,878    12,409   28.98%  16.48% 
 2006   15,115    13,280   20.57%  16.57% 
 2007   16,497    15,033   8.57%  26.86% 
 2008   16,469    15,257   11.43%  25.14% 
 2009   15,744    14,516   16.00%  19.43% 



Here are the attendance comparisons to 2008’s equal number of home games(175):

MLS Attendance – Equal # of Home Games
 20082009 
 AttCapAttAtt +/-GPCapCap
 Seattle 0  0.00%  30,587  NA 13  94.40%  32,400 
 Toronto 20,147  91.67%  20,308  0.80%  12  92.40%  21,978 
 LA Galaxy 25,648  94.99%  20,072  -21.74%  11  74.34%  27,000 
 ChivasUSA 15,557  57.62%  16,107  3.53%  10  59.65%  27,000 
 Real Salt Lake 14,889  72.85%  16,091  8.08%  12  74.91%  19,340 
 Houston 16,155  71.80%  15,938  -1.35%  12  70.84%  22,500 
 D.C. United 19,993  88.86%  15,887  -20.53%  10  70.61%  22,500 
 San Jose 14,917  90.48%  15,137  1.48%  12  77.31%  10,300 
 Chicago 17,257  86.29%  14,113  -18.22%  12  70.56%  20,000 
 Columbus Crew 13,569  67.84%  13,660  0.67%  11  68.30%  20,000 
 NE Revolution 17,751  78.89%  13,221  -25.52%  12  58.76%  22,500 
 Colorado Rapids 13,565  75.00%  12,476  -8.02%  13  68.98%  18,086 
 N.Y./N.J. Red Bulls 15,986  63.46%  12,070  -24.49%  12  47.92%  25,189 
 KC Wizards 11,118  107.06%  10,010  -9.97%  11  96.39%  10,385 
 FC Dallas 13,494  63.67%  9,311  -31.00%  12  43.94%  21,193 


My disclaimer about the capacity calculations

Observations

Week 25’s 3 games drew under 10,200. New England was off -30% from its season average. FC Dallas pulled in barely over 10,200, but that’s good enough to be nearly 1,000 over its average. I’d say that’s scary, but FCD home support has been a disaster since game 2. The club hasn’t come close to matching opening day(15,905). Colorado was off 15.3% but that’s no different than their last home game There are lots of ways to explain the low numbers. A good one is that it was opening day for many college football teams. Then, there was this little match that the US Men played. As I mentioned last week, well, here read it yourself…


Well, what can you say? First the good: MLS scheduled only 3 games this coming weekend, which is a FIFA International calendar period. That surely minimized any potential conflict for many possible USMNT’ers who might be called into service for the upcoming World Cup qualifiers. In fact, for US players, only Conor Casey, on September 5th, stands to miss a match if he’s selected. Not the solution many fans want, which would be no MLS matches during FIFA International periods, but a lot better than having a full slate of games on the schedule. Now the WTF!: The USMNT game v El Salvador is at 8pm ET, the three MLS matches start at 7:30, 8:00 and 10:00 ET. Are you kidding me? Wait, it gets better. On Wednesday, Sep 9, the US travels to Trinidad and Tobago and will play at 7pm ET. MLS has ONE midweek match scheduled, on you guessed it, Wed the 9th. Not only that, it begins at 8:00pm ET. There are no words.

USSF President Sunil Gulati is also the President of Kraft Soccer, owner of the Revs, and even his team played on Saturday. What is wrong with this picture?

World Cup Qualifier Same Day Attendance v Average
 9/3/200505 Avg 05 +/-9/5/200909 Avg 09 +/-
 Colorado 17,044  12,618 35.1% 10,821  12,771 -15.3%
 FC Dallas 8,023  10,793 -25.7% 10,219  9,229 10.7%
 New England 13,342  12,525 6.5% 9,489  13,561 -30.0%
 Chivas USA 15,770  18,166 -13.2%
 RBNY 8,765  14,443 -39.3%
 Real Salt Lake 17,876  19,020 -6.0%
 
 Total 80,820  87,565   30,529  35,561  
 Total +/--6,745-7.7%-5,032-14.1%


The 2005 match was v Mexico, played at Crew Stadium.



MLS Scoreboard

Week 25 Games
 
New England2Revolution Soccer
Kansas City4Kansas City – Hillcrest Road
 
FC Dallas23rd Degree – Buzz Carrick
DC United2DCU – Steve Goff – Soccer Insider
 
Colorado1Undercurrent
Toronto0TFC Connected




So How Are They Doing?

Points after 175 Games
 PtsGP PPGGD
 Houston 40  25  1.60  9 
 Columbus 39  23  1.70  9 
 Chicago 38  24  1.58  5 
 Los Angeles 38  24  1.58  5 
 Colorado 36  23  1.57  9 
 Seattle 34  24  1.42  6 
 Real Salt Lake 33  24  1.38  8 
 DC United 33  24  1.38  1 
 Chivas USA 33  22  1.50  -1 
 New England 33  22  1.50  -2 
 Toronto FC 31  24  1.29  -4 
 Dallas 24  23  1.04  -4 
 Kansas City 24  22  1.09  -7 
 San Jose 20  22  0.91  -13 
 NY Red Bull 16  24  0.67  -21 


Four teams at 33 points. RSL holds the edge in goal differential, while DCU, unbeaten at home, will play 5 of its last 6 at RFK. But Chivas USA and the Revs each have two games in hand, which makes them favorites to overtake them. With 34 points in 24 games, Seattle is only slightly less vulnerable to being overtaken for a playoff position. Columbus is poised to overtake Houston for the Supporters’ Shield with its 2 games in hand.




Streaking

  • LA is unbeaten in 6 road games.
  • Columbus(11 games) and DC United(10 games) are unbeaten at home.
  • FC Dallas is unbeaten in 5 at home.
  • FC Dallas has lost 4 straight on the road.
  • RBNY has won 2 in a row!
  • RBNY is winless on the road.
  • Colorado is winless on the road in its last 4.

    Despite their league unbeaten home streak, DCU has lost its last 2 games at RFK. The first to Toluca in the CONCACAF Champions League and then to Seattle in the US Open Cup Championship match.

    Some MLS Youth News

    D.C. United Academy goalkeeper Bill Hamid signs with first team

    U20 Red Bulls win Super-20 Finals Championship

    Just Some Stuff

    After 2 group play matches in the CONCACAF Champions League Houston has 4 points, Columbus has 3 points, while DC United sit last in Group B with 0 points.

    CONCACAF Champions League
    Sep 15-16Sep 22-24
    Group Game 3Group Game 4
    Houston plays Sep 15, 22
    Columbus plays Sep 16, 23
    DCU plays Sep 16, 24


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    The Seatte Sounders won the Lamar Hunt U.S. Open Cup, defeating the defending champion DC United at RFK stadium in DC. The win earns the Sounders a berth in the next edition of the CONCACAF Champions League.




    About the USMNT’s win over El Salvador

    I’m always interested in reading the various player evaluations after a big match. Here’s a sampling on the US Men v El Salvador…

    MLS Talk’s Post-Game Podcast

    Ridge Mahoney of SoccerAmerica writes …

    Jack Ball of NY Times writes …

    Zac Lee Rigg of Goal.com writes …

    American Soccer News writes …

    Shourin Roy of SoccerBlog.com writes …

    Noah Davis of Goal.com writes …

    Steve Davis of ESPNSoccernet writes …

    Beau Dure of USA Today writes …

    The General Public at Big Soccer writes …

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  • 5 Comments

    5 Comments

    1. Tom

      September 7, 2009 at 11:39 pm

      I skipped the Rapids game in order to go to Utah for the men’s national team game, but I noticed none of their promotional emails for the game mentioned the MNT game. I believe the Rapids kick-off was 2 hours after the World Cup Qualifier, why not show the game on the big screen or at least in the stadium bar and promote it as a double header night? Even if I had stayed in town, I wouldn’t have gone to the Rapids because I don’t if the game was on anywhere at the stadium.

    2. ryan

      September 7, 2009 at 5:33 pm

      oh, and Sunil Gulati couldn’t manage his way out of a paperbag. outside of the second george bush, has there ever been a worse president of ANYTHING? good lord it’s like sunil is trying to keep soccer a second-class sport in this country, and honestly, i’m not sure how the guy can have like 5-7 jobs, because apparently he can’t even do one right. he needs to go yesterday!

    3. ryan

      September 7, 2009 at 5:26 pm

      your 2009 attendance averages for % of capacity are still incorrect for seattle and san jose.

      doesn’t it bother you in the slightest, as a journalist, to continue to post incorrect information? i love this site and the posts are usually great and informative reads, but it just kills me every time that you’re too lazy to put up the correct information because it requires an extra 1 minute of math.

      i understand why you make up your own capacities for teams like new england and dcu, but to just do that for whichever team you please because it requires less work is shameful for a site that likes to fashion itself as a source for news/opinions. call it whatever you want, but wrong information is wrong information.

      • Peter C

        September 7, 2009 at 6:46 pm

        What numbers would you use for the Seattle and San Jose capacities?
        Seattle keeps changing theirs while San Jose is pretty cut and dried.

        From the Sounders Official Website …

        “The XBOX Pitch at Qwest Field is the official home of Major League Soccer’s Seattle Sounders FC has a seating capacity of 27,700 for soccer…”

        “Due to overwhelming demand, we have opened additional seating in the South endzone beginning with the June 28th match. Seating capacity at Qwest Field will be approximately 32,000 – the same seating capacity featured for the Inaugural Match on March 19th.”
        (don’t remember where I got the 32,400 Seattle capacity)

        Since Seattle announced the new capacity at 32,000, their listed numbers via MLSNet have been 32,526, 32,404, 32,405, 32,705 and 32,679. So what is their capacity?

        The San Jose capacity number has the matches played away from Buck Shaw calculated in. 15,682 and 17,128 for the 2 Galaxy games played at 47,416 capacity Oakland Alameda. Also the 61,572 capacity crowd counted on the books for their part in the Chivas de Guadalajara/Barcelona doubleheader at Candlestick Park.

        As for the numbers used for the teams still playing in football stadiums(excluding Seattle), why would I use 70,000+ for the Red Bulls, Revs, etc? Using the average caps for US soccer specific stadiums seemed the most fair way to present the information. As I’ve noted in the case of the Red Bulls, I’m using their posted capacity at the new Red Bull Arena, scheduled to open next season. I would bet the folks planning stadiums in San Jose, Houston and elsewhere are looking at capacities in a similar fashion.

        However, if my calculations are incorrect, please specify, and I’ll be happy to make any corrections.

        And while I’m not a journalist by profession(just a very interested fan), I do take pride in presenting information as accurately as possible.

    4. todd

      September 7, 2009 at 2:40 pm

      christ the Dynamo/Crew game is huge.

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