Liverpool Fans Burn American Flag In Protest Against Owners

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Liverpool fans swarmed Anfield on Thursday in protest against the removal of manager Rafa Benitez and of the reckless ownership of two Americans, Tom Hicks and George Gillett. The story is nothing new. Liverpool fans have been adamant in calls for new ownership for the past several months.

Attending the Portsmouth match at Anfield with my father in March, we were handed pamphlets reading, “Tom & George: Debt, Lies, Cowboys. Not Welcome Here.” It contained several quotes from the initial takeover, which now seem rather pathetic. There were little “gems’ like, “This is not a takeover like the Glazer deal at Manchester United. There is no debt involved.” In terms of the stadium, Hicks even went as far as to say, “The shovel needs to be in the ground in the next 60 days or so, and we would intend to follow that. I think you’ll see the beginnings of a great big swimming pool being dug out here in Stanley Park relatively soon.”

Apparently they were wrong, as Liverpool FC is now saddled with debts to the tune of 350 million pounds and Stanley Park looks more or less the same more than three years after the quote.

Obviously, action needs to be taken. But trying to tread the line between being passionate and proactive versus plain offensive is a difficult game to play, and Liverpool fans, in their frenzy, went overboard on Thursday.

The Telegraph newspaper ran a story about Liverpool supporters protesting outside Anfield, and included the picture of several Liverpudlians holding the American flag as it burned. Flags of all countries are a symbol of pride and should never be defaced, period. To see it happening here disappoints me more than anything else.

I use “disappoint” rather than “infuriate” here because some part of me understands it. We’ve all been in those situations where we get caught up in the energy of a crowd and do something rash, and it’s a shame that Liverpool fans stooped to this level. Though I can empathize with their anger, their actions  are no less inexcusable.

There are plenty of great, loyal Liverpool fans in the United States, including this writer, that are as frustrated by Hicks and Gillett as these men are. Simply because we are American does not mean we are on their side. It often seems to me these men are regarded more as “Yanks” than as the dirtbags that they are. And though I’ll be the first to admit that those two things sometimes go hand in hand, it’s important not to lose sight of the fact that America isn’t responsible for destroying Liverpool. These two men are.

I get it too, it’s bad. If I didn’t live in Massachusetts, odds are I’d be there with these supporters. But please don’t stoop to “Any Means Necessary” tactics like this. Just because two Americans seem hellbent on destroying Liverpool Football Club, doesn’t mean we all are.

EDITOR’S NOTE: I find it despicable that a group of minority Liverpool supporters would take such action as burning an American flag. Desecrating a flag, whether it’s an American flag or one of any other country, is deplorable but it sends a very powerful message to the American owners. There are protests and there are protests that cross the line. I believe this one outside Anfield crossed the line and I would recommend that the minority group of Liverpool supporters who burned the flag offer an apology not only to Hicks and Gillett, but also to the Liverpool supporters in the United States and the American people themselves.

liverpool fan burns american flag Liverpool Fans Burn American Flag In Protest Against Owners

HT for above image to 101 Great Goals.

UPDATE FROM EDITOR: According to the Liverpool Echo newspaper, a march is planned for American Independence Day on July 4 from St George’s Hall to Anfield, to signify the Liverpool fans’ fight for independence from the club’s owners.

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245 Responses to Liverpool Fans Burn American Flag In Protest Against Owners

  1. patrick says:

    Having spent time in Liverpool, this doesn’t even phase me. It actually explains the present PM of the UK. But not to worry, they will be at the pub latter blaming the country’s ills on the Polish.

  2. Martinj says:

    Could Man U fans be next doing the same thing? The Glazers are hated even more by some, if that’s possible.

    • Tyson says:

      Manchester United isn’t really in as bad a position as Liverpool plus people from Manchester are a little more modest so I’d say no.

      Then again the amount of attention being given to this is huge some people may decide its a good way to hit the American owners at home.

      If this hadn’t been given the attention it has been given I doubt anybody would bother trying it. Considering the huge amount of attention its been given some people are likely to use it for attention.

      Fanning the flames never helps but I guess you have to get all those extra clicks on your website.

      • Scott Yoshonis says:

        Tyson,

        He said Manchester United fans, not “people from Manchester.” There is, after all, very little relation between the two.

        • scouser says:

          Woooo how bad that someone burnt a flag

          many people around the world would like to burn an american flag due to them invading and pilfriging countries natural resources.

          Liverpool gave America the Beatles and in ereturn you gave us Tom Hicks and George Gillett, Geroge Bush and last but not least friendly fire!!

  3. Alex says:

    You are wrong, the latest protest and flag burnings has nothing to do with the Spirit of Shankly so I would advise you to ammend your article.

  4. Mark says:

    First Paul McCartney and now Liverpool . Screw the British . if your govt wasn’t so screwed up and taxes so high, maybe you would have more British owners of clubs. Don’t blame America, look at yourselves and ask why so much foreign ownership.

    • pot kettle black says:

      Hahaha R government is screwed up? OUR taxes are so high because sum dumb yanks on wall street got greedy and took more than their share of the pie and as a result the world was on the brink of finanacial meltdown. Jheeez. I dunno if yanks know about this phrase, but to all the English, they know wat i mean. 3 words come to mind. POT>>>KETTLE>>>BLACK

      • Jason says:

        I disagree with mark as well, however, I have to clarify. The US is not the reason your taxes are high. Your taxes have been high for years beacuse the UK is a more socialist country. Nothing wrong with that.

      • The Ultimate ABU (Anyone But United) says:

        Shut the f*ck up moron. Your taxes are high because you are paying for an outdated monarchy.

        • rob says:

          you mean that ’60p per person’ monarchy?

        • Devils Advocate says:

          ABU..so, our taxes are high due to the Monarchy? If you’re going to make such a ridiculous (and ludicrous) assertion, please ensure you have the proof to back it up (I imagine you don’t). If you did you’d be aware that the Civil List is a miniscule amount compared to GDP.

          We are, in my opinion, “ripped off” for most things but bearing in mind this is a football blog it’d be wrong to vent my anger and frustration here.

    • bob says:

      Americans are really self centered people with only their personal interest @ heart even the American government has demonstrated this selfish act in the name of world peace and American interest…
      always spoiling & destructive Americans..hope those two fools have learn t their lesson that when you take an action think of other that it will hurt.so who is hurting the most now?

    • sod Liverpool, you Yanks should look up the best team EVER, Manchester United (come on you Reds!!!)

  5. Gaz Hunt says:

    As a Liverpool supporter and English expatriate that calls the United States his home, I find this absolutely disgusting (whoever was behind it).

    As the writer said, I understand the “heat of the moment” and lack of judgement that comes with that. It’s just a shame that the crowd couldn’t differentiate between two American jerks and an entire nation of people (including many loyal supporters like myself).

  6. OC says:

    wow, this is outrages….
    Now it makes me MORE excited for June 12. I cant even express my anger!

  7. concerned observer says:

    well. extremist liverpool fans. how about that.

    gaffer, last time you gave them plenty of play on your website, a popular US football call-in show got canceled.

    what do you reckon you can accomplish now?

    i’ll be excited to see your report on your page hits before and after this incident.

    • The Gaffer says:

      Concerned Observer, it’s not about how many hits a story gets. Otherwise I’d be writing articles all day long on transfer rumors. I don’t reckon I can accomplish anything other than sharing the news and my opinions about the news, which I did in the ‘Editor’s Note’ section of the above article.

      Cheers,
      The Gaffer

  8. Simon says:

    What Liverpool fans are doing is disgusting.
    I am a American, and I am also a loyal NY Red Bulls fan. If you follow MLS you’ll know that last season the Red Bulls were a disaster, and the fans were not happy with upper management, but nobody thought about buring the Austrian flag outside Red Bull corporate offices.This the kind of thing I expect to see coming out of countires that are anti-American.

    This kind of thing reflects on the sport and the country and the city of Liverpool itself. When Americans see this kind of thing it does not make them want to go go to Liverpool. It also hurts Liverpool as a club in this country. Americans are very patriotic, and to see their flag buring is offensive.

    • Dale says:

      Simon.
      You have to understand that for you to call yourself a fan of NY Red Bulls and to then compare your support with that of the fans of Liverpool FC is underestimating things somewhat.
      The fans of Liverpool live and breathe the club. In the darkest days in our City’s history the club has been a source of pride, inspiration and a reason to get out of bed in the morning. This isn’t a hobby, an interest, or a diversion. For many Liverpool FC is what they live for.
      If I’ve underestimated your commitment to your club then I apologize for being presumptuous, although if you felt as passionately about your club as you do your flag, then you would not direct your anger at us Liverpool fans, but the two all American heroes that are giving your country such a bad name across the Atlantic.

      Think of the Boca Juniors fans in Argentina, or the PAOK fans in Greece, this is the level of fanaticism our club generates, so when two Americans come along and destroy the club from the inside out, people are understandably outraged.
      There have been numerous demonstrations against the owners before, and besides a few ‘Yanks Out’ chants there has been no overarching anti-Americanism, indeed it has been debated in pubs and on message boards weather to try to get the Yanks out chants stopped as they may cause offence.
      Many of the more switched on fans are aware of the level of support Liverpool has as a city and a club from America, particularly since it was predominantly American based reds that succeeded in getting the word soccer daily host Steven Cohen removed after repeatedly spouting his viscous bile over the airwaves.

      So please understand this was a one off done in anger after our manager was forced out by the owners in order that they could install a manager of their own choosing, most likely to asset strip the club and pay off some of the debt they created themselves.

      For the rest of you who are here harping on about how sick it is to see your flag burned, get over it, it’s symbolic of our anger towards the owners, not America as a whole. Now get back to burning those Beatles records if it makes you happy.

      • dude mcbrah says:

        This is completely laughable. liverpoo fans are somehow more committed to their club because their city sucks? believe me when i say i saw more passionate support at the MLS games I attended the last time I was in the states then I have ever seen at anfield.

        The fact is, these flag-burning animals are no different then the vast majority of liverpoo fans. If they are not burning flags then they are out stealing hubcaps or rooting through trash looking for something to eat.

    • Ray says:

      Point of correction, Simon, Americans are not patriotic, they are heartless and destructive, this is becoming unbearable anymore. You guys are claiming trees above the leave…………..when devil gives you a dollar, is aiming for 100 dollar.

    • tex says:

      Gillett and Hicks have lied to Liverpool fans from day one. This Club is 118 years old and has a proud history. LFC is an institution. A community. You cannot fathom how much this club means to the city of liverpool and these two owners who happen to be American have all but destroyed the club for their own personal gain.

      These protests will continue until they leave.

      This is nothing personal toward Americans.

      • Don't mess with Texas says:

        U burn our flag an say it’s nothin personal? Come to TEXAS an try that. Youd find out fast that gun control here means “using both hands.”

      • Gaz Hunt says:

        Again, I understand the sentiment but you do make it personal when you burn an American flag.

        You’re not burning a picture of Gillett and Hicks, you’re burning the flag of thousands of Liverpool supporters.

        • Dale says:

          Gaz, you’re missing the point altogether, the flag of thousands of Liverpool supporters you say?

          Our flags are Red and White and have a picture of a Liverbird on them.

          Club before country

          • Gaz Hunt says:

            I think you miss my point.

            The US (and the people) has done so much for me and my family – and it’s not my flag either but I will always respect it.

            It doesn’t have to be your flag to be a decent person.

    • sarah says:

      The point is that it is offensive to Americans. And by now most if not all of the world is anti-American. If you impose your will on the world it won’t be pleased with you. End of. It is just a flag. A piece of fabric. For it to be this big a deal you would think it was made of crushed american soldiers…

  9. 90 says:

    I am a Liverpool supporter and I have been for years. I honestly thought liverpool supporters were the best in the world but this is sick… I’m dissapointed

    • Tyson says:

      Usually when Manchester United visit Anfield a small section of Liverpool fans sing a Munich air disaster song. As a United fan its quite sickening but I don’t hold it against all Liverpool fans. You can’t attack everybody for the actions of a few.

      I’ve learned the best way to deal with people like these is ignore their desperate attempts for attention because that is all they want.

  10. papermachebob says:

    I saw the SOS party last year were they sang the Muncich Air Disaster song so I would be suprised if they were not involved in this. The Gaffer just cannot afford to say it because of what happened to WSD last year.

  11. Eric Altshule says:

    This is simply shameful. It speaks to the worst aspects of English sporting culture. It is not a slap in the face to the American Liverpool owners – it is a slap in the face to the 300 million Americans who never wished Liverpool any ill at all.

    I really hope that Everton’s Tim Howard cuts this picture out and puts it up on the board in the US dressing room. The best revenge would be for this kind of horrific behavior to inspire the US team next Saturday to expose England as the over-rated team that they are.

    • Tyson says:

      So wait because some Liverpool fans burnt an American flag you want the whole of England to suffer at the World Cup?

      I’m sure Fabio Capello and Rio Ferdinand both approve of this behaviour. The sad thing is I think 99% of Americans on here have the same view as you do on this subject.

      All I will say is I hope your not too butt hurt if your team loses considering how bitter and twisted you seem at the moment.

  12. AmericanLFC says:

    I am an American Liverpool supporter following them 365 days a yr and probably 20 hours a day, the other 4 for sleep lol. I would like to say I understand the discontent behind the ownership, but this is too extreme. You don’t see American’s burning the British flag over the BP oil spill, and that is far more important!

    • We should start burning the British flag over BP, and burning it over British Airways snafu this week.

      These Liverpool supporters are disgusting human beings. Liverpool has always come off as trash to me, this just confirms it. I am irate.

      • Nate says:

        I said it before and will say it again, USA would be better if it had nothing to do with Israel and UK.. These are two countries we really need to distance ourselves from.

    • Jim says:

      I am a United fan and as would be expected I don’t hold the Liverpool supporters in high regard at the best of times but you do see the Americans burning and stamping on the Union flag, hopefully this is because they are a few mindless idiots as the Liverpool flag burning “supporters” are. Hicks and Gillette don’t have long left at Anfield, unfortunately I believe that the Glazer brothers will bleed the life slowly out of United before asset stripping. I honestly believe that there will not be a Manchester United in 20 years time

  13. Feehily says:

    Surely there are better ways to protest than to burn an American flag, yeah they f**ked up the club but it’s because they are terrible businessmen and awful-awful people, not because they are American.

    The best response is to beat England on June 12th, I mean BEAT them and beat them good!

    • jimbo says:

      USA WILL NEVER BEAT ENGLAND IN A MILLION YEARS. By the way, all these yanks that talk about 1950 make me laugh, as if they even cared back then that they had beaten england but now, 60 years later, suddenly yanks r talking about 1950 this and 1950 that. GET OVER IT

      • Up the Chels!! In Chicago says:

        Wait, you say the US won’t beat England in a million years, yet we’ve done it twice in 60 years. I love how most of the Brits on here and other sites act like there’s such a rich history of winning for the three lions, you Brits are no better than the white trash White Sox fans I deal with that act the same way because they’ve won ONE world series in 90 years. England has won ONE world cup! They’re historic choke artists. They’ll continue that trend in a week. Oh, and Liverpool fans are scum, we should burn a Union Jack for the BP debacle, remember it’s not personal, England….

  14. LiverpoolComesFirst says:

    There is a section of Liverpool fans who are making alot of noise and are trying to dupe people into thinking that its the mojority of Liverpool fans who feel this way. This is simply a small section of die hard Rafa Benitez supporters who still think its 2005 and who are wearing Rafa rose colored specticles..
    This is quite simply not the way to protest against the owners of our club as this barbaric behaviour is offensive to every American. A matter of fact we have alot of American LFC fans out there who will not like seeing their national flag burned.
    Those people who stood outside the ground and supported these actions are a complete disgrace and i totally distance myself from them.

  15. Duncan Head says:

    Get over it.

    So we burned your flag?

    Seems like the yanks are especially touchy to this. Believe me, we’ll burn alot more of your precious flags until Gillette and Hicks are gone?

    Apologize? Do one, you clueless beaut.

    • BobbyB says:

      I’m sure burning a flag will get Hicks and Gillette out. Great idea. Why don’t you stop buying tickets and merchandise? That might be more effective. Oh, that’s right, because you’re sheep.

      And you’re a hypocrite if you claim that you wouldn’t be freaking out if some Americans were burning your flag. But you won’t admit that, would you? Absurd. Keep living in dreamland.

      Hicks and Gillette are your owners. Get over that.

      You should probably be praying that you don’t end up like Leeds. League 1 football, here you come!!! Enjoy mediocrity.

      • eric says:

        Bobby, I as an Englishman disagree completely with your assertion that if you Yanks started burning the english flag people would care. I personally wouldnt give a shit. I would be more annoyed if yanks started burning the Man United crest than the england flag. A lot of fans in england, mainly Man United and the Scousers, put club before country and rightfully so in my opinion. So go and burn all the england flags you can get your hands on. It might make some people upset, but i guarantee you, us burning 1 yank flag will cause more uproar over in yankland than you yanks burning 1,000 england flags.

        • The Gaffer says:

          As someone who has lived in both the UK and the US, I can personally say that the American flag is much more sacred to Americans than the British flag is to Brits. Eric and other Brits fail to realize the significance and importance of the American flag to Americans. It means A LOT. The British flag doesn’t have nearly the same meaning to Brits.

          Cheers,
          The Gaffer

          • Simon Burke says:

            The Gaffer is absolutely right. As an Englishman over in DC i never quite have understood why Americans revere the flag so much but they do and you just have to accept it as a cultural thing. (That’s not a negative by the way). The English fans involved with the burning probably had no idea this offends Americans so much and were trying to scare the hell out of Hicks and Gillette. I can understand their frustration but they have certainly shown cultural insensitivity though I am not sure they’d care. Hopefully most Liverpool fans looked at them and were embarrassed for them.

          • Dave C says:

            The Gaffer, Simon and Eric are right that the US flag much more sacred to Americans than the British flag is to Brits.

            However, I don’t think the fact that Americans cherish their flag so dearly should mean that the Scousers should stop doing it, for fear of insulting the US as a whole. It’s a bunch of British guys protesting in Britain, and as such I don’t think they should be concerned (or even aware) of what is or isn’t offensive in some other part of the world.

      • tex says:

        We are scouse not English…. Burn away!

        YANKS OUT

  16. Zeb says:

    “I would recommend that the minority group of Liverpool supporters who burned the flag offer an apology not only to Hicks and Gillett, but also to the Liverpool supporters in the United States and the American people themselves.”

    I’d recommend that the apologies should start with the Hicks and Gillett families apologising to their creditors for stiffing them, to their neighbours for causing their loans and mortgages to be higher, to the American people for being part of the breed of no-personal risk venture capitalists who brought the economic system to the point of needing state bailouts and to the people of Liverpool for ever coming anywhere near the city. It’s not like we’d be asking for any money, so I think we might have a chance with this apology business. It’s a good idea Ed. Let’s make a go of it.

  17. Steve says:

    Some bizarre comments above. Firstly, Liverpool fans care little for England so the talk of retribution on June 12th is fanciful. Secondly, those who take against Liverpool (the city, the club, the majority of the fanbase) are as reductive as the minority who burned the flag initially.

    Finally, the burning of a piece of cloth really doesn’t matter. The late, great Bill Hicks put it best:

    “Hey buddy, my daddy died for that flag.”

    “Really? I bought mine. Yeah, they sell ‘em at K-Mart.”

    “He died in Korea!”

    “Wow, what a coincidence. Mine was made in Korea.”

  18. Hmmm says:

    So let me get this straight. An institution that was formed in 1892 and was passed down from father to son gets absolutely destroyed in 3 years and systematically stripped for the sake of profit. We should apologise to the perpetrators of this crime because someone burnt a bit of cloth?

    Have a word with yourself.

  19. L25 says:

    American’s who put their nationality ahead of LFC can go and support somebody else.

    Don’t go saying people go and complain about ‘the poles.’ Because that is a very wrong assertion to make. The oldest black community in the the UK, oldest Chinese community in Europe and unlike places like Manchester/Newcastle/Birmingham race is not an issue in Liverpool. We are not stupid.

    We are not English, we are Scouse.

    The American owners after promising not to put debt on the club, have done so. As a result for their own personally gain destroyed LFC for nothing other than personal greed. Every time we go the match we pay for them buying the club. They appoint people with no interest in LFC’s footballing matters, and sack the manager.
    We’re one of the biggest clubs in the world, and we won’t sit by while greed destroys out club.

    Americans should be ashamed of their compatriots.
    But then this is the nation that gave us George W. Bush, Ronald Regan and Dick Cheney.

    ps George W was good mates with Tom Hicks.

  20. Mick Simpson says:

    I don’t really care what you lot think and neither do Kopites

    Two lying yanks have come in with false promises and are slowly eroding what our club stands for and its ignored by the majority of newspapers because it doesn’t sell enough so if you want someone to blame look to the mass media who have driven us to this because they don’t care about one of the worlds great sports teams being driven into the ground.

    We want them gone and they can take their minions Purslow and Broughton with them

    LIars and Cheats

  21. mike says:

    I see Manchester United is upset about their American owners but what do we get? Glazers Out! Love United Hate the Glazer! In Liverpool the burn the American flag. Liverpool have become a small club in a backward town thanks their stupid supporters. You cannot compete with the global brands of United, helsea, or Arsenal and will not make the Champions League again. Have fun in the Second Divsion. At least Everton have some class

  22. bobby says:

    IF it weren’t for the US you’d be Krauts!
    If it weren’t fot the US you’d be Krauts!
    If it werent for the US you’d be Krauts!

    • Josef Stalin says:

      I think you’ll find that it was actually the Soviet Union, the USA’s sworn idealogical enemy that saved Britain and the rest of Europe from becoming “Krauts”.

      All the USA did was drop the A-bomb on helpless, innocent and defenceless Japanese in not one, but two cities. That in itself is reason to burn the “star spangled banner”

      • MNUfan1991 says:

        Have you ever heard of “Rape of Nanking” and “Bataan Death March”?
        Their Unit 731 would make Hitler cringe.

    • Feehily says:

      Even though I voted “thumbs down” for this post, I was tempted go thumbs up as I love the fact that each line contains a different typo! Comedy genius… probably…

  23. Mick says:

    Please forgive the foolish few Liverpool fans that did this foolish act.

    Most of us wouldn’t dream of such a thing.

  24. L25 says:

    Liverpool is the least ‘patriotic’ city in the UK.

    We care about our City not our country.

    And I think you’ll find most Manchester United supporters who are from Manchester and really care about their owners have done similar things.

    Just because some United supporters thinks it makes them better fans to wear green and gold doesn’t mean they don’t have the real elements either.

    Manchester and Liverpool for all the rivalry have a lot more in common with each other than Americans/Cockneys’ whoever who’ve come in and decided they want to follow the cities football team because its trendy.

    If you don’t like LFC’s match going support, or United’s go somewhere else.

    • Cap'n Jack says:

      “And I think you’ll find most Manchester United supporters who are from Manchester and really care about their owners have done similar things.”

      You say that as if there are Utd fans from Manchester… and we all know that is false.

      It does make sense that Liverpool supporters are not patriotic, though, considering most of them are from East Asia.

      • Devils Advocate says:

        Cap’n…
        “You say that as if there are Utd fans from Manchester… and we all know that is false.”

        Some information for you. According to last audit of fanbase, there are 48,468 “locals” (addresses within 30miles) At least you’ll have accurate data next time around.

  25. Seamus says:

    Firstly would like to say that I am Irish and a life long Liverpool fan. What Hicks and Gillet have done to the club is a disgrace, taking over a club and then putting the money used as a debt onto that club should just not be allowed in football.

    I blame the FA they should just have banned ownership of clubs in this way. Liverpool were debt free until the americans decided to use borrowed money to buy the club and then inflict (what should have remained their own personal debt) on the club. Another ill of capitalism in my book.

    Have nothing against Americans but understand the anger that led to the burning of the flag and know that given the right emotional circumstances I would do the same. Once upon a time the US flag stood for freedom, liberty, and something good, sadly more and more it only stands for greed, self-interest, rapacious capitalism, and intolerance.

  26. Alex says:

    To all the Americans on here……
    I am a British citizen living in Britain, and a Chelsea fan. I must say that this ‘protest’ is pathetic and burning ANY flag is very dumb and wrong. Liverpool, for those who don’t know, don’t care about anything other than Liverpool, not England or anything, in fact you could question whether or not Liverpool is actually part of Britain, its like a different country. What i’m saying is ignore this petty little ‘protest’. If they were burning pictures of Hicks and Gillet then its more acceptable but the burning of any flag is wrong, don’t forget they burnt pictures of Steven Gerrard back in 2005 because he was close to joining Chelsea, so Scousers or Liverpudlians are very highly strung people, ingnore it is my advice

  27. AL says:

    Hmmm, Scousers doing stupid things….there’s something new

    Lets face it, Scousers and indeed the city of Liverpool are silly little people, some who have an I.Q of about 5, this is a stupid minority of stupid people, the same people who no doubt sang Munich air disaster songs toward the Man Utd fans, as a Chelsea fan i don’t usually side with United fans but on this occasion i have to.

  28. Richard the Red (Devil) says:

    Burning an American flag?!? Hah, what a group of mindless nobs. Liverpudlians are some of the most unhappy bastards on the planet. Most of them are on the dole so I’m surprised the crowd wasn’t bigger. LFC are a joke and so are their supporters. I wish the Mersey would rise up and take their kind into the Irish Sea. Fuck Liverpool.

  29. Mick Simpson says:

    I love the hypocrisy of a Chelsea fan the most racist club in the country who’s fans booed John Barnes when he was an England player criticising anyone

    • Alex says:

      I’m sorry, most racist club in the land?!, if we were the most racist club in the country then we wouldn’t have any coloured players? and John Barnes was booed by all the England fans, not just a small section of the Chelsea fans.

    • UpTheBlues says:

      Most racist club in the country? ????

  30. jk says:

    This is ridiculous and I will never support anything Liverpool again. I see a burning American flag and I think terrorist. People’s whose goal it is to destroy America. These people need to get a grip on themselves. This is absolutely shameful behavior.

    • johnl says:

      When I see the american flag I see a country that invades, destroys and profits!
      The whole of america needs to open their eyes at theri foreign policy….ever wonder why most of the world hates the USA, its not jealousy its anger.

      btw Im not a terrorist but understand some peoples/countrues frustrations.

      Theres non so blind that will not see.

      • jk says:

        It’s funny all those people that “hate” the US yet are flocking here in the tens of thousands every single day. There hate doesn’t stop them from moving here to better their lives. Very selective kind of hate.

      • BBC says:

        I see the world power that is unique in world history in the fact that world conquest is not one of her goals. So thanks England for your empire. Sorry that your as relevant as France. Now F**k Off!!

        • dave C says:

          @ BBC : “the world power that is unique in world history in the fact that world conquest is not one of her goals” – which one is that then??

  31. johnl says:

    Songs from manu and chelsea fans have not been of good taste either. The burning of flags is seen by americans but the burning of countries isnt.

    Priorities?

  32. Steve Kirby says:

    Guys – why don’t you find a sport to watch based in your own country and leave the EPL (what on earth is the EPL!?) to people from England.

  33. Paul says:

    We want them out. They have done nothing but lie since they got here. They need to learn that they cannot treat this club this way, its something that is bigger than both of them. They have piled debt onto this club that will cripple us for years. So forgive me if i don’t give a flying one about a piece of cloth. For what its worth even Liverpools previous owner has said he would never have sold to them if he knew this then.

  34. JUNT says:

    Jesus Christ. This has nothing to do with England v USA and the World Cup. Some of the American comments on here are straight embarassing… and I’m American (albeit an American with English family).

    Stick to ‘following’ your MLS team for 90+ minutes a week and leaving it at that.

    As a United supporter I can’t help but have a small laugh at the state of LFC, but at the same time, what is going on with them (and us for that matter) is not good for football at all. Protest is protest. Passion is passion. End of.

    To take this as some sort of attack on America as a whole or as a country is ridiculous (in my eyes at least). I can’t wait for some moron global news agency to see a photograph of this and take it completely out of context and think there was some anti-US policy bullshit riot/demonstration going on outside a football ground.

    Let the boys be pissed. I know I’d be if someone was single-handedly taking my point of pride and lifesblood and running it through the gutter. (Funny… Glazer.)

  35. tom hicks n george gillett says:

    violent violent!!:)i like it!!!

  36. UpTheBlues says:

    Wow…well I see the reason to burn the flag. But for most people there it’s club over country and doesn’t matter. If it were American Liverpool fans, that would be more interesting…

  37. Wonder how some of you would react if I posted a picture of myself taking a piss on a Liverpool jersey wearing a Captain America costume….

    Liverpool fans are hypocrits. End of discussion.

    • yanks out says:

      we would piss our selves laughing at yet another yank clown.
      as stated, LFC fans and most liverpool people do not regard themselves as english but SCOUSE.
      We’re not english – we are Scouse!!

      As my uncle said just before the gulf war “we don’t need the yanks”
      6 weeks later he was flown home in several bags due to yank ‘friendly fire’ ……… with friend’s like you lot…..you trigger happy cranks.
      It’s a protest – it has gained attention, well worth it.
      By the way. Its a piece of cloth.

  38. jose says:

    like i have mentioned this before, this is the domino effect when clubs spend more then they receive and count on foreign investment to bail them out it doesn’t always work. i keep asking for the writers to please post an article about this so that way the foreign owners are not the scape goats. what happened to liverpool started before the american owners bought them having said that i don’t like the owners myself bought the blame started well before the new owners arrived. by the way man utd has the same problem. epl writers please post a article about how all this started, clubs spending to much and that is why there is so much debt. salary cap anyone.

    • You are a fool says:

      Let me break this down for you Einstein.

      LFC debt before American takeover – around £40-50m

      LFC debt today thanks to Americans – £350m

      Interest payments of £40m a year. Brilliant. ‘Foreign investment to bail us out’ Are you really that ignorant? The ‘investment’ (I use ‘ ‘ because it was purely loans, no investment) is causing our difficulties, you moron. We’ve spent net £0 in THREE transfer windows, before the Americans we had a budget of £10-20 BEFORE sales.

      Jesus.

      • jose says:

        you are a fool, not that you are that is your screen name. i don’t know the numbers that you do but to make my point. i think there should be a salary cap in the epl that way you don’t have greedy bastards owning your club. to many foreign ownership liverpool, manchester united, aston villa, chealsea soon to be arsenal. in america our biggest sports have caps and everybody has a chance to win the title, money wise thanks to the cap if they don’t it’s because bad management not money. there is no monopoly and everyone gets a piece of the pie. and no massive debts.

        • You are a fool says:

          Well, those are the numbers. We were better off before the takeover, where we got to actually reinvest our profits + revenue. We were a family club and local people owned it, passed down through generations. As it stands, we exist to pay interest on a loan that we benefit zilch from.

          H&G LIED to us, they said they wouldn’t put debt on the club and that they would invest money, they haven’t invested a SINGLE cent of theirs.

          On your point of salary cap, its a fantasist idea but one fans would support, although it could only happen if UEFA implemented it, the ‘EPL’ as you call it won’t do it alone, the best players would just play elsewhere.

  39. Joe says:

    Guess this makes Steven Cohen’s argument for him, sad that the editor takes such a cowardly approach…where is your anger, where is your demand from the club and the supporters for an apology. You were happy to write endlessly about his comments but here you simply brush over them with a disapproving approach.

    You are as much a coward and hypocrite as those thugs outside Anfield yesterday.

    These folks are cut from the same cloth, vandalize RBS branches, burn American flags, sing about MUnich etc… where is your outrage.

    These prats would be speaking German with their poxy scouse accents if it were not for what that flag stands for.

    • The Gaffer says:

      Joe, you obviously didn’t read the entire article otherwise you would have seen my editor’s note at the bottom of the piece where I shared my anger and said that the supporters need to make an apology.

      Cheers,
      The Gaffer

      • Dude McBrah says:

        An editor’s note at the bottom of the article is supposed to make it ok? Really? After leading the charge to crucify a man, threaten his family, and get him fired from his job – all because he spoke the truth – you think an editor’s note somehow absolves you?

        • Clampdown says:

          Oh here we go again. While the LFC supporters who participated in this bit of theatre yesterday are a bunch of fools, you are dead wrong about Cohen. He is a lying scumbag who got himself fired. Crucified? Please, give it a rest, you gullible clown.

        • The Gaffer says:

          Dude, when the story broke last night, Eric Truog had already written a story about — along similar lines to what I would have written, so I didn’t think the readers would appreciate almost a duplicate story. I added my feedback to the foot of the post.

          And by the way, I did NOT “lead the charge” to crucify a man, threaten his family and get him fired. That’s complete BS and you know it. I simply reported what SC said. And he did it all to himself in terms of opening his mouth when he should have kept it trapped.

          Cheers,
          The Gaffer

  40. 2Tix4Chelsea says:

    This article only proves that unemployment is extremely high in the city of Liverpool. Those flag-burning morons need to get back to the pub and piss away any paychecks they got from the council.

    Why not burn the Saudi or UAE flag because the cost of petrol is so high. Stupid LPool fans.

    I cant wait to see some of you the next time I visit Disney. I’ll be sure to remind you of your island nation’s more pressing issues than the ownership of a SOCCER team.

    In England, you pay 17.5%VAT on tampons, but not on condoms. Lot of sense that makes.

  41. Mark says:

    Okay, I suppose I’ll be one of the few to say this.

    IT’S JUST A FLAG.
    If somebody burned our flag, would we really care? I highly doubt it. At least those of us who are somewhat logical.

    Americans take patriotism way too far. Honestly, it’s just a sheet with a few fancy colours on it. Nothing to take personally at all.

    Now, America is possibly the most evil country in the world. They start wars, brainwash their citizens and give guns to everybody. THAT you can take personally.

    • Nathan says:

      You wouldn’t care cause you take no pride in your country. In America, our flag represents us, our freedoms and our sacrifices. It represents us standing up for our allies in times of need (WWI & WWII) and the sacrifices we have made for our friends in the world.

      If you want to belittle us, what we stand for and our sacrifices that we have made for you, go right ahead. But don’t be surprised that we DO take it personally because it is an affront to everything that we have done and love and respect.

      IF you think that is evil, then maybe we just should have let Europe be taken over by Germany? Maybe we shouldn’t have liberates millions of people in Iraq from a blood thirsty tyrant who showed the true face of greed and hate and evil by killing his own countrymen.

      Liberation and love for our common man is something we have in our country. We WILL stand for ourselves because, unlike our president, we LOVE our country.

      • Devils Advocate says:

        Nathan..As an Englishman, I am embarrassed and dismayed over the actions of those Liverpool fans. The burning of flags is, in my eyes, an affront to a nation. America has every right to be angry that supposedly civilised people should sink to such depths of desperation. Such people are a SIGNIFICANT minority. The significant majority are much as Americans, decent and proud with a healthy respect for others.

        I can only deduce that the strength of patriotism shown by US nationals here is mirrored by a sense of betrayal and injustice some fans of LFC feel. To them, their club is as precious as the stars and stripes.

        The WW1/WW2 is not really a thing I want to get into here. It is, after all a soccer blog. Best wishes

      • sarah says:

        You always turn up to wars late.
        You make them when the world is reasonably quiet.
        You can’t take a bit of constructive criticism from a man who now lives in a cave.

        What was good about you guys again?

        • Rachel says:

          Well…
          Heart of the Global Economy
          The strongest nuclear war deterrence
          Starting the information age
          Apple, Microsoft, policy of mass production, lightbulbs, airplanes,modern breakfast cereal, blue jeans, dental floss,
          That little television you spend some much time on watching Liverpool continue to disappoint and various things that have shaped todays society etc….
          So what if its just a piece of cloth, that just means that the Americans just have a lot more respect for our people than the scousers do. So When I see a bitter ol’ scouser saying that America has not made a contribution to society, I take great pleasure in pointing out just how ignorant and hateful you are.
          Hugs and Kisses,
          Man City fan

          • sarah says:

            ‘Heart of the Global Economy
            The strongest nuclear war deterrence
            Starting the information age
            Apple, Microsoft, policy of mass production, lightbulbs, airplanes,modern breakfast cereal, blue jeans, dental floss,
            That little television you spend some much time on watching Liverpool continue to disappoint and various things that have shaped todays society etc….

            1. Invented by defecting German scientists.
            2. How exactly did they start the information age?
            3. Microsoft is nothing to be proud of. At all.
            4. Breakfast cereal? Really?
            5. Didn’t invent the television.

  42. Kristian Downer says:

    I am not a Liverpool fan, I do however sympathise with the feelings of anger, distrust and desperation of the Liverpool fans given the dangerous mismanagement of their club taking place.

    The impact that this can have must not be underestimated; to understand this, it must be remembered that to many, football clubs are more than just sports teams. A football club is something which people invest an incredible amount of time emotion and money into.

    To quote the sentiments of a Liverpool great,

    “Some people believe football is a matter of life and death, I am very disappointed with that attitude. I can assure you it is much, much more important than that”

    In short football matters, when things are not being done properly or in the best interest of the club fans revolt and make sure that their feelings are known.

    There may not be a piece of paper to recognise it, but fans feel as if they in some way own their club. Liverpool, are not the only club to have witnessed mass protest over the handling of club affairs, with the current football climate they will not be the last.

    Manchester United have the Yellow and Green of Newton Heath; Chelsea fans own their pitch and even teams in the lower leagues can mass impressive numbers to protest when times are desperate.

    So why burn an American flag? Well its simple, when you attack something, whether it is in politics, the workplace or the playground, you find something that makes your target different and work that angle.

    In my opinion the burning of the flag is an extension of this and takes place without thought to the symbolism or pride taken to it by the general population of the U.S.A; it is just a method of publicising the cause and showing anger at two men they believe are killing their club.

    I would urge people not to overreact or resort to national mud slinging; the burning of the American flag is regrettable and inappropriate however I cannot imagine this was not an attack on the U.S.

    Overall this may have been a misguided stunt but passions run high about these issues, this is about Hicks and Gillette and not America, although it may add a little more spice to June 12th.

    I would like to end by asking everyone not to tar all football fans with the same brush, people seem to forget that when bad things happen in football stada these are usually performed by a minority of fans.

    The average football attendance in the Premier League is between twenty and sixty thousand people, this means that every type of person will be represented, the good, the bad and the ugly.

  43. 2Tix4Chelsea says:

    Dear Mark,
    We also have buffets, free drink refills, invented just about every modern creature comfort from the lightbulb to the automobile, and have better teeth.

    The USA being evil… come on now. I think thats simply jealousy on your part.

    One thing we dont do is pay for the lavish lifestyle of a monarchy that does nothing but sell tourist items and disrupt transport.

    • john says:

      Invented cars eh? I suppose you invented Apple Pie as well! haha

      Google Karl Benz, you might learn something.

      Funny all this. If anyone honestly thinks this was an Anti-American protest then you’ve spectacularly missed the point.
      Feel free to burn as many English flags as you want, see how many people honestly care. In fact after you’ve finished buring Union flags over the oil spill, as someone mentioned above, you could turn to your old pal Google again and see where the company BP contracted to do the drilling actually came from. I’ll give you a hint, they didn’t invent the car. hahaha

    • yanks out says:

      why isnt that surprising. you invented free drink refills and buffets and every gadget known to man to make life easy.
      would explain your chronic weight issues and go some way to explaining your avarice and pure GREED and hopes to take over the world.
      america is not the world.

  44. Kristian Downer says:

    2Tix4Chelsea

    You do realise that the English Monarchy, makes the UK money rather than the other way round.

    Whats with all the patriotic chest beating anyways, the US and UK have a hell of alot in common.

  45. Jonathan Price says:

    First of all, the burning of the American flag was done by as few as 5 or 6 Liverpool fans who were irate that Rafa Benitez was dismissed as manager. How anyone can claim that this act represents the sentiments of Liverpool fans as a whole is beyond me. I am sure if Alex Ferguson were dismissed by Manchester United you would see similar acts by a few Man United fans. Those who are condemning Liverpool fans because of the acts of a few are doing no better than those Liverpool fans who are taking out their anger on Americans as a whole by burning the flag. Ignorance is a vice, not a virtue!

  46. Mark says:

    2Tix4Chelsea, we have buffets and free drink refills also. What’s your point?
    And no, you cannot just claim that your country “invented just about every modern creature comfort”. That is entirely inaccurate.

    Better teeth?
    Now you’re just running out of things with which to argue, and are resorting to stereotypes.

    And attempting to insult my country isn’t exactly going to work since I honestly couldn’t give a rats arse about it :)
    I just know it’s a hell of a lot better than where you are.

  47. 2Tix4Chelsea says:

    The monarchy does make the UK money, plenty of it. But does that “intake” of funding exceed the cost of maintaining some of the most profitable real estate in the world? Does it exceed the debt created by paying huge staffs for up-keep while Royal buildings are not in use?

    Yes, it would be a shame to lose these icons of historic value, but not at the expense of an entire country.

    Someone needs to show me where 17.5% of those taxes go.

    When Sport is the most important thing in one’s life, a re-evaluation of priorities is in order. Even in your darkest hour, supporting a team is not going to save you. Friends, family, faith… those are more important than LPool.

  48. David from Merseyside says:

    Don’t be so precious. Hicks and Gillett whether you like it or not are American, hence the burning of the American flag. Just so you know the Star Spangled Banner featured a fair few times at the beginning of the takeover, so it worked both ways. I’d like to make this quite clear THE BURNING OF THE STAR SPANGLED BANNER HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH AMERICA OR IT’S PEOPLE, had Randy Lerner been the one to invest in Liverpool (from his tenure at Aston Villa he looks to be a decent man and decent owner) then there’d be no problem. The flag in this instance to the Liverpool Fans burning it represents Hicks and Gillett ONLY, so before getting your pitchforks off the hook and lighting your torches try to look at things in context. If people didn’t automatically jump to conclusions we’d have a much nicer world and eliminate crossed wires.

    • BobbyB says:

      The flag doesn’t represent Hicks and Gillette ONLY to Americans, and truthfully, that’s all that matters. If you can’t see that then you are a sad person.

      Hopefully Hicks and Gillette will do the right thing: sell off all Liverpool’s players and then sell the team for an overinflated sum.

      Hicks and Gillette have owned Liverpool for three years, yet LFC have gone 20 without a title. Looks like you guys were failing to win just fine all by yourselves.

  49. Mark says:

    Oh 2Tix4Chelsea, such a typical American. Just had to bring the word “faith” into it.

  50. Gaz Hunt says:

    Last time I’ll post – I am just so saddened by some of the comments by Liverpool supporters on here.

    Again, I’m a Liverpool supporter (for over 20 years) and English expatriate that now calls the United States his home.

    I think some of the anger here is misdirected.

    There are many loyal Liverpool supporters in the United States that agree that H&G are terrible, terrible owners that must be removed from ownership. But they’re terrible because they are greedy, bad businessmen. Not because they are American.

    You have to understand that these two Americans are separate from the rest of the country. There are even full United States supporters groups for Liverpool. Two such groups are USLFC (http://www.uslfc.com/) and New York LFC (http://www.lfcny.org/).

    These groups and many more American supporters were crucial in getting Steven Cohen off the air due to his hurtful comments regarding Liverpool Football Club and the 96 that died. They also agree with the need for new ownership and honestly want what is best for the club (as you do).

    It may be just a flag but you’re sending the wrong message.

    Burn a picture of H&G. Not the flag of a country that is home to thousands of loyal Liverpool supporters.

  51. Andy says:

    You americans and your sentiments.. seriously bugger off. Watch your baseball,american rugby or basketball.. why on earth do you care about the burning of flags anyway and more importantly football.

    Typical.

    • Eric Altshule says:

      Buddy-

      You are exactly why LFC is doomed to a long spell of mediocrity. You want your team to spend £30 million per year on new players? From what – the revenue of teeny amenity–free stadium? You need to encourage foreign fans and their revenue streams – not tell them to bugger off, burn their flags and proclaim that the rest of the world can go to hell.

      What kind of owner do you want for LFC? Truthfully, you want someone who will simply deposit a huge trunk of cash onto the field and then go away and leave you alone. That person does not exist, and I cannot imagine anyone who would be foolish enough to buy this team and suffer the hate that LFC fans seems so willing to dish out.

      Are Hicks and Gillett great owners? No. But to be fair, they did allow Rafa to spend over £84 million net in the transfer market during his time at LFC – a sum far in excess of what any prudent, profit-obsessed businessman should allow.

  52. dbm says:

    To the Brits calling us the most evil country in the world- We learned everything from you. Please do not pretend that your past is irrelevant when discussing the present.

    As for the flag burning Scousers- It’s stupid but its not the first time someone has burned our flag out of anger. I’m used to seeing people burning our flag over disagreements with some of our most brutish and soul crushing policies but this is just pathetic. Get a life. These two idiots do not represent the USA…

  53. JM says:

    Here’s what LFC offers:

    zero titles in 20 years
    the reputation of horrible hooliganism
    commit regular theft in their own players homes
    rampant xenophobia
    horrible weather
    ugly women
    60% tax rate

    …and they wonder why they can’t sign world-class players?

  54. CR7 says:

    What reaction did you expect, these are Scousers.

    Watch as they’ll say it wasnt them and blame it on the police

  55. Ho Chi Minh says:

    Listen you redneck inbreds, I’m a massive red. Any more crap from you and we’ll be over there with the boys from the NVA and the VC to kick your asses again.

    Now go back to your rounders.

    Capiche ?

  56. Osama Purple Bin Lada says:

    Yankee Infidels!

  57. ovalball says:

    So let me see if I’ve got this straight. The best these Liverpool protesters could do to express their outrage at the owners of the club is to burn the flag of the country that they are from?

    How intellectually and creatively pathetic. I’m sure Hicks and Gillette are duly chastised.

  58. Osama Purple Bin Laden says:

    I wipe my dusty arse with your Stars and Stripes. Praise Allah!

  59. jason says:

    Good work Liverpool supporters. I am sure that your new shirt sponser will be very excited about your display. Hopefully you cost your team millions of pounds in sponsership money in the few years. Maybe you can get a local pie shop to sponser your kits. Keep up the good work and maybe you can play in the 3rd divison in a few years.

    • You are a fool says:

      That would be the ideal scenario, infact discussions are ongoing about how to disrupt Standard Charted day-to-day operations, go to their offices, attack their banks.

      Don’t you understand? We WANT to lose money, we are trying to drive the yanks out. Boycotting of shirts/products is beginning, soon empty seats – sport is an entertainment business over there in America, here it is our lives and love, more than you yanks could ever comprehend.

      Stick to MLS.

  60. Sean says:

    Burning the flag is just a way of getting the attention of Hicks, as with 99% of americans I am aware of (or maybe its less than that, I’ll call it the “noisey majority” of americans) – they seem RIDICULOUSLY patriotic so its a sure fire way to cause offence and make them think “fuck this, lets sell”. We are not a “franchise”, even if global capitalism says we are.

    This has got some attention, and hopefully has helped in making them 2 fuckin greedy horrible shysters fuck off out of our club.

    Are American Liverpool fans actually aware of the potential disaster that could happen to our club??? There may be no LFC (as we know it) left to fight for if these 2 greedy lying gobshites dont get out pronto… If you dont realise the situation we are in, go look up Leeds United and their recent history… Do not kid yourselves for a second that that it was aimed at any of you, its just a way of making Hicks and Gillette feel as unwelcome as humany possible (without the use of violence)

  61. Jason says:

    While I’ve never supported Liverpool… I never had anything against them. i know wish nothing but relegation for them. No doubt Hicks and Gillet have not been the best owners but to be honest they were chosen by David Moores over Sheikh Mohammed.

    You wanted money, you wanted a new stadium so you put the club up for sale to finance and made the decision to sell to Hicks. Hicks gave permision to Benitez to spend money and he did by bringing in world class players.

    The plan was to raise capital to build the new stadium and a bunch of money has been put towards that. However, because of the economy and local politicians (Peter Kilfoyle) stepping in to not allow the Royal Bank of Scotland to restructure their existing loan to allow for the funding to finish the stadium they don’t have the money.

    It seems like the club is in the same spot they were when the club was sold. Wanting more money to finish the stadium and not being able to get that funding. The difference is that the money that was spent on players hasn’t paid off…

    I place blame on everyone not just Hicks…

    • You are a fool says:

      Are you dense?

      Not one single penny has come from H&G, its pure loans. The club pays £110,000 a day in interest repayments. ‘Buncha money thrown at the stadium’ 40m was spent just on PICTURES, brilliant. They promised a spade in the ground within 60 days of takeover – 3 years later, nothing.

      They have provided NOTHING and have LIED, wake up.

      • Not as dense as you says:

        Am I dense? You’re damn right it’s loans… it’s called financing and you couldn’t get it with your current owner so you sold the team to someone who could and would get the financing.

        40 m at pictures is a bit misleading; you obviously have never hired an architect for a large scale construction. For a 350M project, this is quite common (although I would question your 40m figure).

        You are also ignoring the wallet that was open to get the players you wanted. As I said… blame spreads further than Hicks.

        Please let me know which part was a lie as well…

        • You are a fool says:

          Haha what are you talking about?

          It’s the very reason our ex owner sold, because he wanted buyers who could take the club forward without saddling the club with debt. HE could of done exactly the same, its what H&G PROMISED NOT to do.

          Question my figure? Look at the numbers, its all transparent – the exact figure spent on pretty pictures is £45.5m – not a single spade in the ground – do your research if your going to question FACTS.

          The wallet was open? Hahaha. Excellent. Are you saying we chose to play youth players barely 19 in Europe? We chose to deal with free transfers only? Brilliant. — We’ve spent $ZERO$ in THREE transfer windows out of CHOICE? Haha, you should go into comedy.

          • Jason says:

            You really have no idea what you’re talking about do you? And you still have yet to tell me what I’ve lied about.

            Benitez was given free reign on players as soon as Hicks took over. He then broke Liverpools transfer record to sign Torres. All free transfers? All young 19 year olds? What about Benayoun? Babel? Leiva? Again, all I ask is for honesty and facts.

            As I said… given the reigns as the above signings indicate blame spreads further than Hicks. Please get your head out of your arse and look further than just Hicks and stop making comments that are plain lies…

  62. A Scouser says:

    Now then chaps lets get a few things straight shall we?

    Scousers are easily the most one eyed parochial people in the world, I know, I am one.

    Therefore, what tends to happen when outsiders try and tell us what we should and shouldn’t be doing is we get together and as one give whoever it is trying to tell us the finger. (I would have said the V’s but I doubt you’d understand it). You think a bit of internet opprobrium is going to make my city quake? We’ve fought bigger fights to get to a fight.

    As for the History graduates, I think you’ll find that Uncle Joe had stopped them cold and we had in the Western Desert. Agreed, they had all of Europe, but they could keep it as long as they agreed to regular beer exports. What you provided was the impetus to retake Europe – well done.

    We hate Hicks and Gillette, but there is plenty of room left in my heart to hate a few more of you, if you’d like to volunteer. We burnt a flag, one that you swear allegiance to every morning. Well, as I said to a Master Sergeant in Baghdad not so long ago when he upbraided me for not “showing due deference” it aint my flag pal, and if I choose to use it as tinder to light my woodburner every day I will. You want to hate me for it – fine. Doesn’t register a flicker on my giveaf*ckometer.

    Individually I count some Americans as amongst my best friends, I find them warm, funny, kind and thoughtful. Once they knew and understood my particularly parochial brand of humour I hope they find me the same. I find it odd that those (whom I refer to) that have risked their lives in defence of your country on foreign shores aren’t nearly as uptight about “Old Glory” as you all seem to be.

    In summary. We burnt a flag. Boo Hoo. We’ll burn a sh*tload more on July the 4th just to upset you – theres that parochialism again. Good luck if you are a US based fan. But do not dare to try and tell me what to do in protest in my city at my club. You have no right to. And fortunately burning flags isn’t a criminal offence in my oh so backward country – yet.

    • Queen Kenny says:

      I’m suprised you had time to write such a bitter and xenophobic comment, petal. Shouldn’t you be out stealing hubcaps or bindipping?

    • CR7 says:

      Good for you for posting bond so quickly

    • Jason says:

      Not sure what we’ve straightened out here. I also volunteer for you to use some hate in your heart on me.
      In regards to the flag burning, just beacuse something isn’t important to you doesn’t mean that it’s not vial and quite frankly wrong to violate and show so much disrespect as the Liverpool supporters have done to the American Flag.
      I’m not catholic nor do I care about the Pope but I’ve heard Hicks is Catholic…. should I desecrate images of the Pope? No, I have respect… something that supporters of Liverpool should learn ( and I don’t mean all of you Liverpool supporters just the small faction burning flags and/or supporting it)

    • Another Paul says:

      “Individually I count some Americans as amongst my best friends, I find them warm, funny, kind and thoughtful.”

      Why would you even consider doing something so disrespectful to your friends? Why would you justify it? If your friends would take offense to it, maybe it deserves a second thought. Yes, you can do whatever you want in your country but that doesn’t mean you should. People have become so angry and aggressive the last few years.

  63. markb says:

    As both an American and a Liverpool supporter, I am disappointed but certainly not outraged that a small misguided group of Liverpool supporters elected to show their displeasure with their two scumbag owners in the manner which they did. However it is precisely the freedoms which our flag symbolize that allow people in countries like America and England to express their feelings. There exist in this great country groups like the Klan and The Aryan Nation who are notorious for wrapping themselves in this self same flag for the purpose of spouting their hatred and bigotry. If they had their way would any of this be allowed? Thought not.

  64. Frank Zappa says:

    Arf!

  65. MarkB says:

    As an American and a Liverpool supporter, I am disappointed but certainly not outraged that a small group of Liverpool supporters elected to show their dislike for their two scumbag owners by burning an American flag. It is precisely the freedoms which our flag symbolizes that allow people in free and civilized countries to express themselves in this manner. In this great nation of ours, there are groups like the Klan and The Aryan Nation who are notorious for wrapping themselves in this same flag while they spout their hatred and bigotry. If they had their way would this have been allowed? Thought not.

  66. MarkB says:

    Sorry for the double post

  67. Jimmy says:

    I thought there was a lot of stupidity on this thread even before I noticed someone managed to accuse Americans of being intolerant in the same sentence in which they painted all Americans with a single broad brush.

    Hypocritical prejudice is quite becoming; I know I’m impressed.

  68. Uncle Sam says:

    Let me get this straight: the Liverpool supporters burned an American flag in order to generate attention and a reaction specifically because they knew that it is highly offensive to Americans and now some of you are acting surprised and put off by the fact that some Americans are highly offended and are paying attention and reacting?

    When you actually think about it, it seems pretty stupid, doesn’t it?

    “We’re going to burn an American flag to make them angry!”

    “Why are you so angry about a flag being burned? Shut up.”

    Genius.

    • Up the Villa says:

      Well said, Its funny how people so rarely see the hypocrisy and lack of consistency in their own ideas and opinions. Apparently this is an English problem as well as American.

  69. lee says:

    shut it yanks we dont want ur braindead support

  70. Eious says:

    Is anyone REALLY surprised by this?

    Their fan base is known as over-dramatic, over-exaggerating douchebags who cry about anything and everything as if their life depended on it

    There is a reason most football fans who aren’t liverpool fans can’t stand their fan base

  71. cfc_mb says:

    I’m sure the this will do wonders for the WC bid, showing respect to other nations and all.

    …oh wait.

  72. USA-holes says:

    It’s a sh*t flag anyway.

    • Nuke UK says:

      Stay Classy.. Love English Turds calling USA classless then they say stupid crap like support Bin-Laden and crap..

      NUKE THE UK.. PLEASE.

      • yanks out says:

        trust me uncle sam.
        there is nothing more we scousers would love than to go to war with the usa.
        i can just see it now, stealth fighters and bombers heading to bomb liverpool, and with your famous accurate fighting skills you will no doubt bomb manchester.
        in fact liverpool would be the safest place in the uk if you were actually attempting to strike there.
        Bring on the yanks….

  73. Up the Villa says:

    Perhaps Liverpool fans should consider, if it wasn’t for the blood of thousands of Americans who bailed out your sorry a$$ army, you’d all have grown up speaking German and reading history books about the greatness of Hitler.

    Hicks and Gillett are idiots, this is true. But it’s not because they’re American, it’s because they’re idiots. Liverpool are angry because their team is $h!t and they need an outlet for blame. I assure you it’s not America’s fault, it’s because your overrated/overpaid players don’t know where the goal is.

    • ovalball says:

      Perhaps Liverpool fans should consider, if it wasn’t for the blood of thousands of Americans who bailed out your sorry a$$ army, you’d all have grown up speaking German and reading history books about the greatness of Hitler.”

      Can we Americans please, please let go of this piece of nonsense? The Brits held off the Nazis for two years while we collectively sucked our thumbs because we didn’t want to “get involved’. The RAF knocked the snot out of the Luftwaffe in the Battle of Britain (summer-autumn of 1940) ending all real threat of invasion. We had to be forced into the war by Pearl Harbor, December 1941.

      We served nobly in WW II, but the idea that we “saved” the Brits is ludicrous. If anything, Hitler saved them by suicidally invading Russia. That was in June 1941, while we were still snug at home.

      If we Americans want to talk of being “saved” perhaps we should all learn to say, “Merci, beau-coup”. If it weren’t for massive French financial and direct military aid during the Revolutionary War we might still be playing rugby instead of *our* football.

      We have a proud history. We don’t need to belittle or falsify anyone else’s in order to make a point.

    • Kartik Krishnaiyer says:

      You need to re-read your history of WWII. Britain fought heroically and ALONE after France fell in June 1940 until Hitler invaded the USSR in June 1941. By mid 1941, Britain has withstood some of the worst nightly Luftwate bombing. Certainly Lend-Lease helped but to imply Britain would have fallen is flat out ignorant.

      In WWI The French and British fought the Germans and the Austrians to a standstill before the Americans entered the war. The British army was outstanding also on the front against Turkey who was allied with Germany. Calling the British Army ” sorry a$$” shows a total lack of understanding of history or circumstance.

      You could argue the British Army at one time was the greatest in human history since the Romans. Not only could they conquer far flung territory but hold it for hundreds of years. Our army here in the states has yet to prove such far flung staying power outside of bases negotiated with friendly governments. Then again, unlike the Brits we never were interested in building an empire either, just protecting allied governments and free markets for our corporate class.

  74. GoonerNick says:

    The nerve of these fools to burn an American flag…. If it wasn’t for the Americans, all of England would be speaking German.

  75. Rattlemaster says:

    Whinging tools. I and many others would burn every flag and every o e of youse if it means we get our club back. Warmongering greedbags the lot of you.

    Yours,

    scouse communist party

  76. Carl says:

    There’s a whole lot of hypocrisy going on here!

    One the one hand, we’ve got Americans complaining (rightly IMO) that, because the Yank owners don’t represent the USA, it’s wrong to burn the US flag – yet, on the other hand, they have no problem with condemning ALL Liverpool (in some cases ALL English people) for the actions of a handful of Liverpool fans who don’t represent Liverpool or England anymore than H & G don’t represent the USA. Anyone see the contradiction there?

    I’m a Liverpool fan and, as much as I want the owners out, I disagreed with the flag-buring. I thought (and still do) that it was a misguided action that, if anything, detracted attention from what it was supposed to achieve – namely putting pressure on the owners to sell up. I might be wrong, but I doubt ‘Anti-Americanism’ was foremost in the minds of those who took part in the burning; more a cultural thing – English people (particularly Scousers) just don’t have the same affection/hang-ups over the national flag as Americans do, so the offence taken wouldn’t have even been considered.

    It’s also dissapointing to see this comments section resemble Youtube, with all the patriotic chest-beating going on. I’ve got no problem with Americans, and know better than to think two greedy bastards represent them just because they come from there. I also believe the people involved realise this too. It was never intended to offend Americans, just the owners. Hopefully, the more sensible Americans on here will accept that, given the shit LFC are going through, and given the passions this has aroused, a few people decided to make an easy connection between the owners and their nationality as a means to get at them. Ill-conceived? Definiely. Anti-American? Not in my eyes.

  77. Ryan says:

    It’s a disgrace. but what would expect from SOS and LFC. you won’t see it in Manchester as the protests have been strictly against the Glazers and not against a people. Scouse Scum

    • Dear oh dear says:

      Get your facts right before you post. The protest had nothing to do with SOS, it was organised over several internet forums and by word of mouth.

      • cfc_mb says:

        Think this Liverpool blog puts it best:

        “SOS claim that they had nothing to do with the protest. Right. Just like they had nothing to do with the Munich chants at their end of season party last year.

        The fact is, SOS peddled their xenophobic ‘Yanks Out’ campaign for ages before being forced (by this site and many outraged *sensible* fans) to scrap it.

        You reap what you sow: SOS created the anti-American hatred against the Owners that inexorably led to last night’s action. They may or may not not have been the main organisers of the protest, but they are clearly still responsible.”

        http://www.liverpool-kop.com/2010/06/sos-led-liverpool-fans-burning-us-flag.html

        • GoonerNick says:

          I wish that the Gaffer had taken a similar attitude and not immediately folded to the implication of SOS pressure! Everyone knows that SOS was all over the march.

          • The Gaffer says:

            Gaffer, I have no evidence that SOS was involved in burning the flag, so I’m not going to print that unless I can prove otherwise.

            Cheers,
            The Gaffer

        • Hahaha says:

          Seriously that blog is the work of one complete pleb that will peddle any sort of nonsense to get more traffic to his website.

          An absolute no-mark that will take the opposite opinion of every reasonable supporter out there.

          Try again.

  78. David from Merseyside says:

    [It’s a disgrace. but what would expect from SOS and LFC. you won’t see it in Manchester as the protests have been strictly against the Glazers and not against a people. Scouse Scum]

    Absolutely United fans have far too much class to even attempt such a thing

    Ooops

    “United fans famously burned an American flag after invading the pitch during a reserve match when Glazer’s interest in buying the club first came to light last year and on Wednesday night about 400 gathered outside Old Trafford to let the plc board know their feelings have not changed.”

    http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Hold+fire,+warn+City;+Fears+as+United+fans+plan+to+burn+American+flag…-a0128463354

    http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=137820

  79. All this talk of patriotism & outrage because of the burning of a flag is complete hypocracy. As crazy as it may seem do not for one second think that the burning of the american flag had anything to do with America & its citizens.

    These cowboys rolled into Liverpool City over 3 years ago & from day one, have lied & bled this great club dry. LFC has been brought to its knees by these two crooks. LFC is practically a religion to some of its die hard fans. I love this great club therefore i am hurt, feel betrayed & have had enough of these theiving excuse for business men detroying my club. A club i love dearly. I wont sit here & condone the burning of the flag 100% but i certainly wont be making any excuses for it either.

    I have no interest in the political debate this hads brought about. Believe me, Liverpool will ALWAYS come before country. Why? Because its own country turned its back on this great city when it needed it most.
    LFC & MUFC will always come before its country. That is why they are the 2 most successful clubs in the country. LFC being the better of course!
    But to have these two historical clubs with its values & traditions being stripped away by American parasites was always going to bring outrage to the extreme. Put yourself in the shoes of those fans who have worshipped this once great ckub & only then will you understand its actions. If not then dont bother complaining about what seems to me here, you dont understand.

  80. Nathan says:

    Liverpool fans are the VERY reason that I am not a Liverpool fan. They embody everything that is wrong with this wonderful sport and I refuse to associate myself with them.

    • yanks out says:

      your a lunatic.
      you are a typical glory hunter.
      Liverpool fans are made – created at birth.
      Its our life. we live and breathe football.
      you don’t choose LFC – Liverpool FC chooses you. that makes you special.

  81. Brian says:

    Firstly Americans have been burning the Union Jack over BP as reported. Don’t forget a lot of the ownership is USA. The UK have been called untrustworthy etc -( you only have to watch fox) even though many British soldiers are with the Americans, lost their lives in Afghanistan, as the British public shouted outrage. No because we know it’s a minority.

    As a Liverpool I did not agree with flag burning. In fact many of the fans have said so. Those that did it have said it was not attributed to the American public but the owners. Thousands of fans during the years of protesting against have written to Americans to say they are friends, contacted Liverpool fan groups in the USA to say none of the protests are aimed at the American people. Most people involved have not been Xenophobic and those found to be have been told to
    change their behavour. Liverpools fans are world famous for fighting against racism and our previous manager Gerrard Houlier once threatned to stop our team playing should our players receive racial abuse as a protest.

    It would be wrong to infere that the people from Liverpool hated Americans, in fact our city has more Irish and American influence than any other city, our birth was because of our trading, most American ancestors would have passed through to America. There are museums in Liverpool which tells this story.

    Unfortunately our football owners are American and some fans at
    the moment are very emoutional. But don’t think
    for one minute people in Liverpool hate Americans if some of you ever visit the city you would find similarities and a joint history. Liverpool people are more like New Yorkers. Different cultures, out going, passionate, friendly.

  82. MUNICH 58 says:

    WE BURNT YER FLAG YOU YANK COWBOY SCUM

  83. Tyler says:

    Of course, the owners are to blame. They sold Crouch and Alonso and purchased Voronin, Riera and Keane (and sat them until selling them), not Benitez. He has nothing to do with the club’s ills.

    I wouldn’t mind such whiny extremism if it were only slightly tempered with reason.

    • You are a fool says:

      Liverpool haven’t spent a penny in THREE transfer windows because the owners have to pay back the loans. Idiot.

      Crouch wanted first team football so he had to go. Alonso wanted to go too and Rafa made a huge profit on his purchase.

      Voronin was a free transfer, Riera has been decent and Keane was a PARRY signing, although we still managed to get 16m back from 20 – keane is so good that he was shipped off to Scotland.

      KNOW.YOUR.STUFF

    • Paul Bestall says:

      Nope, Benitez hawked Alonso around in 2008 and then seemed shocked he wanted to leave in 2009.
      Crouch was the same, Rafa had no faith in him at all.

  84. Carolyn says:

    Just for the record, Manchester United fans also burnt the American flag. It just did not get the same media attention as the Liverpool fans doing so because this time it was in the context of Rafa Benitez being dismissed as manager which was big news. Soccer hooligans in Europe are a breed apart and one should not be surprised by anything they do. What I’m surprised about is the vitriolic nature of some of the posts which seems to indicate that just like the soccer hooligans who are for the most part ignorant, some who post here are just as ignorant.

  85. Lyle says:

    Liverpool fans are morons. Lots of English fans are though. Group think over there is awful.

    • David from Merseyside says:

      Lyle, don’t you think it’s funny how you talk about group think on a topic were people are outraged about flag burning? Firstly as has been mentioned hundreds of times the gesture was aimed purely at two specific Americans, I don’t agree with it because I know how reactionary people can be as illustrated in this thread, but what are you lot getting outraged about? is it the actual burning of the flag? or is it what the flag represents to you? or is the misnomer that the flag burning was an attack against the people of America. It’s all an illusion anyway Lyle, that piece of cloth and dye is only as powerful as the meaning you invest in it. That meaning is purely of your own perception, the Liverpool fans burning the flag had a completely different perspective, it wasn’t done to offend the USA, only to show their distaste for our american owners.

  86. Yankee Doodle says:

    I think the thing that sticks in my craw the most as an American is the continued belief that we are not worthy to appreciate the game of soccer. The burning of the flag is sort of like saying “They’re American, they couldn’t possibly know what they’re doing.”

    You have every right to be angry at your owners, but from my view it’s quite sad to see one of the biggest clubs in your country protest because you’re finishing fourth, fifth or sixth or whatever. Fact is, there are many clubs who are in far worse shape. And many whose very existence is under threat. Liverpool is in no such danger. So, please STFU and be good gloryhunters.

    • David from Merseyside says:

      Listen, we had lots of amazing fans over your side of the pond that fought hard to counter misinformation put about by Steve Cohen about Hillsborough on his radio show. They were brilliant and I have so much respect for them. The two Americans in charge of our club (one in particular) know EXACTLY what they’re doing, they bought the club with loaned money and are using any profits Liverpool make to pay off the interest on those loans (the interest alone is £40mil this season) they don’t care about the history or success of the club, they’ve not invested a single penny of their own money in this club, they’ve spouted lie after lie and the fact is the protest have nothing to do with where we finished in the league, these protests have been going on for the past three seasons and our very existence is under threat, which is the reason for the protests. There is £270mil owed to the Banks (which as I’ve mentioned saw £40mil owed in interest alone, that’s £110,000 per day) there is a further £144mil owed to Hicks off shore holding company in the Caymans, which is gathering 10% rolling interest every year. When the manager should have been given money to invest in the squad that money was being funnelled off to meet the loan interest.

      And for the record, the aim of the protests and calls for a boycott on all merchandise is not going to benefit the team in the short term so I think glory hunters is way off the mark, we just want those leeches out of the club before it’s too late.

  87. Cord4Gooner says:

    All I know … If some Brits came to America, bought a US Team and Screwed it up ….. Us Americans would never burn your Flag in a protest, just too disrespectful … Pretty pathetic the crowd can’t separate the difference of two Americans and a whole Nation…

    • David from Merseyside says:

      Yes they can. It’s purely symbolic of our owners, nothing to do with the rest of your country or it’s people. As mentioned we have lots of amazing fans in the USA, you have to look at the flag burning in context, not jump to conclusions but that’s our world today everyone is so quick to flex their moral muscles without looking at the reasons behind actions.

  88. U....Suck....America says:

    first of all, if it wasnt for us brits you would be slaughtered in iraq by now!! your all a bunch of self-centred lazy obese cowards, who need guns to control your country!! you was all shocked when you got a black president, talk about being racist!! you talk about usa helping other countrys, being there for them. well when a disaster happens around the world whos there to help first? us brits!! look at the earthquake in turkey, storm in guatamala city, earthquake in Haiti…….we gave aid before any of you guys even give a damn!! your only interested in yourselves. i mean look at 9/11. that happened because once again you couldnt keep your nose out. you had to be typical america and get involved. WHEN WILL YOU LEARN?? look at the prophet mohammed on south park, you nearly got bombed because you dont learn and think your better than everyone else. so before you criticise our city or country look at yourselves!!

    • Cord4Gooner says:

      Just another Blind Sheep following the other …….. Kinda pathetic

    • Chelsea says:

      “i mean look at 9/11. that happened because once again you couldnt keep your nose out. you had to be typical america and get involved.”
      Don’t f**king bring the 9/11 into an issue about Liverpool burning an American flag over a issue about Football. Seriously, did you know that 12 % of the victims were not even American. In fact, 87 victims were British. You disrespect your own British Brothers. My British friend, Katie, dies in those attacks and she was an innocent woman. You say we don’t care about any world natural disasters. Bullsh*t! We gave aid to Japan and Haiti for starters. I , myself, came to Japan and donated money PERSONALLY to a Japanese family and they hugged me and thanked me so much. Bet you didn’t know that. Your whole comment was a heap of bullshit. Where’s your proof to back up any of those outrageous statements?
      I’m half American and half British and what you said made me ashamed to even have British blood in my veins. You have no idea who the heck I am and what my family on both sides has on both sides to help Britain.
      Next time think before you speak you asshole. Your just another typical anti- American hater who uses opinion instead of fact.

      • Anti American says:

        You can f*ck off you POS American dog. You don’t deserve to have our blood in your veins, our blood is for the brave and worthy, something no American will ever be.

        Keep burning the flags, until the yanks realise we don’t just want them out of our sport, we want them out of our nation.

  89. rob says:

    christ. this site is nothing but bile about liverpool, america and britain. ive been to all of them – they are actually nice places. This topic has made plenty in it look like complete tosspots, over an issue that while controversial doesnt deserve the amount of bile that is being thrown around like some retards food fight. Its very, very annoying. How on earth five or so reckless fans have inspired such tribal hate is beyond me. For me, you should treat a burning of the flag as if someone called you foureyes in the street or something. Ignore it, because it’s stupid.

    • David from Merseyside says:

      A droplet of common sense and rationality in a sea of outrage and moral oneupmanship. Good lad.

  90. Up the Chels!! In Chicago says:

    I commented on this thread, I’m sorry to say I did after finally reading all of the comments, this post has quickly become a YouTube video comment board, filled with uninformed teenagers bickering at eachother over which “office” is a better one. Sad to see this the blog go down this road and I’m sad that I stuped to the level of many of the commenters, I comment on this site often and won’t get involved in a hissy fit like this again.

  91. abd says:

    Stoop:
    a. To lower or debase oneself.
    b. To descend from a superior position; condescend.

    “But please don’t stoop to “Any Means Necessary” tactics like this. ”

    I find this a little bit racial. Forgive me if I do. But that quote is a very popular one in American history. I find the writer a little bit of a hypocrite. Sorry if I do. He tries to show that he isn’t that stereotypical image of a “Yank” that the world has learned to accept because of a bad foreign policy that lasted for years, sublimely and with out even realizing this the writer shows his true nature. I now he means well. I am sure he is a very nice person. I just feel very offended, and angry so forgive me for any offenses.

    “We declare our right on this earth to be a man, to be a human being, to be respected as a human being, to be given the rights of a human being in this society, on this earth, in this day, which we intend to bring into existence by any means necessary. ”

    — Malcolm X, 1965

    God bless you brother Malcolm.

  92. Cord4Gooner says:

    Ya this issue is all for not ….. Liverpool fans and most of the UK seem to have a bias against the USA … no matter what. And that just fine, everyone is open to have their own opinions … I am just happy the USA is not obsessed with England this way, always being negative towards the other ….

  93. Paul Bestall says:

    I think some of the comments from both sides are appalling, childish and bile filled.
    Don’t judge the actions of a few for the feelings of the many and that goes for the Liverpool fans who carried out this pathetic stunt and the abysmal way Hicks and Gillett have run the club.

  94. David from Merseyside says:

    To be honest the anger is directed at the right people here, the Liverpool fans who burnt the american flag should be castigated and embarrassed for their actions. Not for burning the american flag, my views on infusing inanimate objects with emotion must be well know now but simply for the fact those idiots were protesting against Hicks and Gillett wearing the new shirt. Hardly the brainiest Liverpool fans around I’d suggest.

  95. tonyspeed says:

    a flag is just an object. anyone who takes this seriously is borderline jingoist. but it was still disrespectful of them. liverpool fans are … insane

  96. Double Pivot says:

    Oh this could get fun. Two cohorts of animals that never evolved. On one side, right-wing Americans who have done so much to destroy this once great country and the world through the people they vote for. The other, religious zealots who have yet to show the balls to kill themselves for their cause, but I’m sure they will eventually get drunk enough to strap on a bomb and murder again…this time Yanks rather than Italians. An epic battle, where if we get lucky, the two groups will kill each other off with no collateral damage. Then the US and LFC will both be left with fans that aren’t evil douche bags and both might be liked around the world again.

  97. Pablo says:

    If Hicks and Gillette embody Americans, the does Tony Hayward embody the English? I think it’s clear that both countries are filled with greedy businessmen who don’t care about anyone their decisions may impact.

  98. Jake says:

    Go F^^^ yourselves LIverpool SUCKS!!!! Come to my house and burn my flag you british queers!!!

    • David from Merseyside says:

      Thanks for the invite lad, but you don’t seem like the type of rational human being I like to associate with.

      • I'm not American by the way!!! says:

        @ Dave from Merseyside – and the idiots leaving retarded comments on here about how great Liverpool are and that they can burn the flag of a patriotic nation who, i might add, think the English are an amazing, friendly and noble people are rational???

        I cringe trying to explain the actions of neanderthal English people….which i’m sorry to say, seem to outweigh the positiveness that people abroad are disillusioned by. Believe me, i tell people to stay away from England because of idiots like this.

  99. Oh Brother says:

    This is why everyone in the world hates the British.

    You don’t care if the Union Jack is burned? You shouldn’t. It stands for imperialism, enslavement and plunder.

    You think burning another country’s flag is acceptable? Of course you do. You’ve never respected any other country’s right to self-determination.

    Great Britain: f**king up the world for 500 years!

  100. Shaun says:

    This whole thing goes beyond football and sport and all that. Honestly, the US and England are easily the 2 most ignorant, hypocritical, and arrogant countries in the world. It has to the be the Anglo-Saxon superiority complex that we’ve shared for so long. That’s why we’re admittedly Allies, yet we bicker and fight as if we’re enemies. And before anyone takes offense, this is coming from an American, so I think I know what I’m talking about.

    You can’t tell me that our respective medias aren’t annoying. I could care less about English football altogether, so when I see the arrogance of the English, such as when they laugh at other countries for apparently having inferior football leagues, it makes me angry. I also love how in England, whenever one of their teams does well, it’s cause they are vehemently superior, yet when they lose, it’s because “the other team cheated, they dove, they acted, the English team should have had 5 penalties, UEFA hates England, it’s a conspiracy, Platini is out to get us, etc etc.” It’s like you English think because you “invented” the sport, which you didn’t, that you are entitled to win everything and when you don’t, it’s everyone’s fault but your own. That is not how life works. Sorry.

    HOWEVER, the American media is no better. In fact, you can say they are worse. They laugh at our beautiful sport, they call it a game for sissies, they mock those who play it, and they only report about it when there is violence, i.e. football hooliganism, or when the USA does anything relevant. Even the announcers who run some of the big sports networks here in the US chuckle and don’t care to pronounce names accurately.

    The point is you’re all both right, yet you’re all both wrong. Both sides are equally responsible for the behavior mentioned by many on this thread.

    But I’m sure I will get a few replies, maybe in agreement, and maybe with some choice words. Don’t care either way cause I’m right and you’re all wrong. USA 6 England 0.

  101. Bee Gees says:

    As an american, I’ve never understood the whole obsession this country has with its flag. In fact, the wholesale opposition to the act of flag-burning in this country is in direct contradiction to the freedom of expression that people over here claim to hold to be sacrosanct.

    Basically, my point is this: It’s just a flag. It’s worth, at most, maybe $20. My fellow americans need to get the hell over it and move on with their lives.

    • Kenny Powers says:

      Dumbass you realize our flag is symbolic of the victories we had over the british in winning and keeping our freedom. The STAR SPANGLED BANNER our national anthem was written during a battle in which the flag stayed flying throughout the night and that victory is symbolic of keeping our freedom

    • John says:

      I’ve found the American obsession with its flag baffling for many years. It appears equally baffling to many (if not most) Brits, and probably other nationalities too. I suspect it may well be connected with the following two views on patriotism.

      From America: “My country, right or wrong.” Carl Schurz, after Stephan Decatur.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Schurz
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Decatur

      From Britain: Samuel Johnson (on self-professed Patriots, as reported by James Boswell) “Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel.”
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Johnson%27s_political_views

      While the original usage of each may have been more subtle and nuanced than is at first apparent, the current usage seems to be purely to be taken at face value.

      I can’t speak for all Americas, nor for all Brits. However I can’t recall hearing any Brits of my acquaintance espousing the first sentiment, but I can recall several espousing the latter.

  102. Patrick says:

    Just out of curiosity, for those of you who say it’s ment to represent Hicks and Gillette or it isn’t really a big deal; How would you feel if that were Americans burning and English flag b/c of the BP Gulf disaster?

    Point is, it’s disrespectful to a whole nation of people and will hurt your fan base (one that needs all the support and money it can get at this point) because of the actions of a couple of morons. Its fighting ignorance with ignorance and nothing good ever comes out of that. Regardless if it was ment to reflect upon a whole nation or not it is going to come across that way, especially to those whom only see headlines “Liverpool fans burn American flag”.

    There are better ways to make statements and get your point across…

  103. ABC says:

    Yeah what they’ve done is stupid, but what’s even more stupid is to post xenophobic comments towards the UK for something a small minority of fans have done.

  104. Kenny Powers says:

    Well if liverpool fans dont care about if England wins or losses i say we injure Gerrard and Carragher to make a clean go of it

  105. Who gives a shit about Liverpool, the place is a shit hole. There is nothing good about the place. Liverpool FC is the only thing that they have to be proud of and they haven’t even got that anymore because the team’s shit now. Get a life you scally scum and stop living in the 70′s.
    Liverpool is shit and liverpool fc is shit and that comes from someone who lives 20 mile away from the hell hole

    Come on England

  106. We're Walking Alone says:

    Well, I’ve supported Liverpool for many years from across the pond in America! I’ve purchased countless kits, scarves, stickers and watched every EPL, FA Cup, Champions League match just like the rest of you. Over the past 3 years I’ve struggled with the same frustration and anger over the management as you have. I’ve loved this club so much that I’ve purchased airline tickets for a trip in August to see the Reds play as it’s a life long dream of mine to see Anfield and sit in the Kop. But my country is more important to me than any Club team, inside or outside of my country. It’s what my friends and family have bled for. Now, the thought of sharing seats, blood, sweat and tears with folks that would disrespect an entire nation’s history and character by burning the very image that represents what we are…It’s a very tough day for me! Even though it’s a small (500 people) group, I can’t imaging spending thousands of dollars and hours of travel to spend my hard earned money at a place that accepts this…

    That’s the tragedy of this situation, is how many other “Yanks” are there like me out of the 300+ million people in this country? People who have grown up watching from this far away, getting chills when they hear YNWA and singing along alone in their house, nearly in tears as the Reds lose that have had the Scousers stab a knife in our hearts by burning our flag! We’ve been over here spending our money on your club, constantly arguing with other Americans about why “football” is the best sport in the world and why the Reds are the most historic club that represents character, hard work and loyalty. That argument won’t come out of my mouth any longer after seeing what I’ve seen…those folks just cost the city of Liverpool thousands of dollars when I was to come over but multiply that by how many others there are like me and it’s not a small group of people anymore…I’ll still come to England since it’s the best league in the world but I’ll be sitting at other grounds taking in a match instead of spending my money in Liverpool.

    American’s would never tolerate the burning of St. George’s Flag, even in retaliation for such an egregious act…

    Apparently I Will Walk Alone, because it seems that Scousers are going to accept this as acceptable behavior…

    As if the Americans needed any more inspiration for this Saturday’s World Cup match! Thanks for inspiring us…

    Don’t Tread On Me…

    • Devils Advocate says:

      We’re Walking Alone..I felt compelled to respond to your post. I find it incredibly sad that the actions of a few mindless individuals have ruined not only a dream trip but your very relationship with the LFC as a whole.

      I started reading comments and responses to comments a considerable time ago and cannot believe the vitriol exchanged between the 2 nations. Both are equally passionate but appear to lack respect for the views of the other. It’s also clear to me that some are deliberately “bear baiting”. Nontheless, the burning of a nation’s flag cannot be condoned.

      I would ask you to remember that this atrocious act (and the comments of some here) are not in any way representative of Liverpool fans as a whole, who are amongst the best and most loyal in the country. They are incredibly warm-hearted and welcoming. I can say this with confidence having known several fans personally over the years.

      Ironically, I am not a Liverpool supporter myself but live about 30miles away, close to Manchester (I support the other team in red) I ask you to reconsider your decision not to visit Anfield. It is indeed a great experience.

      You will be aware that United have similar issues with the Glazer family and it is out of deep concerns for the futures of the clubs that some fans go too far.

  107. David from Merseyside says:

    I’m fed up of arguing so I’ll just leave you with the words of arguably the greatest American that ever lived:

    “Did you watch the flag burning thing? Wasn’t that great man? Boy everybody showed their true colours then didn’t they?….Scary… People just flipped, they reacted like The Supreme Court approved of flag burning, know what I mean?

    ” Does that mean we have to burn our flags?.. They said that we ha-”… NO NO NO NO NO NO, they didn’t say that. They said that if someone wanted to burn a flag, he perhaps doesn’t need to go to jail for a year…Pretty harsh on their part huh?

    “They said we should bur-”…. They didn’t say that, they didn’t say that, they didn’t say that

    “Does that mean I have to go and -”….NO NO NO NO NO NO NO… Listen, read , think, calm down, relax, SHUT THE FUCK UP

    “Well I don’t get it..I don’t wanna burn my flag”….THEN DOOOOOOOOOOON’T.

    People snapped, they were like “Hey buddy, my dad died for that flag”

    “Really?…I bought mine…They sell ‘em in K-Mart…”

    “yeah..He died in Korea for that flag”

    “Wow, what a coincidence. Mine was made in Korea… the world is THAT big man…”

    No-one, and I repeat NO-ONE has ever died for a flag. A flag is a piece of cloth, they might have died for freedom, which, by the way, is the freedom to….Burn the.. fucking flag you see??..Burning the flag doesn’t make freedom go away, it’s kinda like Free-dom ok?..ok.

    And they’ve had 4 cases in this country’s 200 year history, so it’s not that big an issue. One of the hotter smokescreens they’ve put down the pipe. I don’t wanna burn a flag, but what business is it of mine if you do?

    Is it my business if someone wants to..Is it?…NO

    Is it my business what other people read or watch on TV? NO IT’S NOT…THANK YOU

    You see, when we talk these things through, it becomes a little clearer doesn’t it? That’s called logic and it’ll help us all evolve and get on the fucking spaceships and get outta here. ”

    We love you Bill!

    R.I.P
    Y.N.W.A

  108. Shady says:

    They are burning a country’s flag because they are owned by Americans? Clever. How about some Americans burn the Liverpool shirt and piss on the Hillborough Memorial? I think that’s only fair.

    • Dennis says:

      It’s also not fair to refer to the Hillsborough tragedy. Shady, what do the 96 victim’s of Hillsborough, a tragedy that took place April 15, 1989, have to do with a protest in 2010. The motivation was to show Hicks and Gilette just how unhappy the LFC supporter’s are with their presence.I’m sure that the act got their attention because otherwise they have no regard for anyone but themselves, nevermind the supporter’s. And no LFC supporter anywhere can defend what these 2 lying, greedy bastard’s have done to the club. Hillsborough was and forever will be a tragedy and the 96 have nothing to do with it! Let the victim’s rest in peace.

  109. Andrew says:

    Im an American.My grandparents moved here from Liverpool and most of my extended family lives in Liverpool. Ive supported the club for as long as I remember, and will til the day I die.I still have the LFC blanket I slept on as a baby, and I have to say im really not as offended by this as I probably should be.I understand why most of the world hates Americans, but dont let ignorant rednecks and the mindless buffoons we have in Washington speak and present an image for the rest of us.I wish more than anything that those bastards never had anything to do with Liverpool. F*ck Hicks and Gillette. Hate ignorant people, not America as a whole.

    • David from Merseyside says:

      Hi Andrew,

      No Liverpool fans I know hate America as a whole, there’s plenty that despise your previous president and your foreign policy makers in general, and almost to a man Liverpool fans loath what Hicks and Gillett have done to our club but I’ve still not met any Liverpool fans personally that hate American’s or the United States in general.

      “and I have to say im really not as offended by this as I probably should be”

      I’m glad about that because you have nothing to be offended about, a piece of cloth and die was burned which represented to the people who actually burned the flag the current ownership of Liverpool Football Club only, not your nation, not your government (in this instance) and certainly not the citizens of the country.

      I’d like to state my opposition and distaste at Liverpool Fans burning the star spangled banner because I feel it’s detrimental to the galvanising it’s necessary to promote between fans across the world. We need to stick together not argue about the semantics but in the end we and you are supposed to live in a free country which respects peoples right of protest and methods of protest.

  110. Dennis says:

    I’m an American who’s been to Anfield and found it to be the best atmosphere for football anywhere on the planet. The Liverpool supporter’s I encountered personally were friendly, good people. And not only football supporter’s but Liverpudlian’s were great as a whole, although it’s rare to find someone in Merseyside who is’nt passionate about football .I never felt any type of prejudice or felt in danger around LFC supporter’s, actually quite the contrary. Before you judge them as a whole take that into consideration.Although during the protest some , and I emphasize SOME NOT All ,went to what some may consider an extreme measure, it was in protest of Hicks and Gillette,I do not think they meant to offend American’s as a whole personally . Individually, American’s have nothing to do with these 2 inbeciles who represent CORPORATE America and not the average working class American. The elite in American society ,which Hick’s and Gillette represent,have been f@#$ing their own people now for the last decade. Now they have exported their greed and as a result have ruined a great club.When we feel as strongly and passionate about an issue sometimes we all go to extreme measures to express our frustration.That’s what is fueling the rage and anguish Red’s supporters are feeling. Liverpool Football Club is’nt just a “team” to their supporter’s, it’s much deeper than that. It’s a civic institution that is passed down from generation to generation . American’s have to understand that what has took so long to build in this community is being internally dimantled and it’s difficult for the supporter’s to take. The supporters have every right to express their frustration’s and some chose this measure to do so.For those who are offended take this into consideration before judging LFC supporter’s as a whole.

    • David from Merseyside says:

      Well said that man!

      • Dennis says:

        Thanks, David from Merseyside, I hope that all this nonsense will be put to rest soon and we as rational people and football supporter’s can get on with our lives. August 14 is just around the corner and we all are looking forward to that. Cheers!

  111. Dennis says:

    El Bandito IS INSANE! Do not use my computer again to post you’r psychotic apolyptic rubish again!

  112. Jake says:

    Totally disgusting that they have shown the flag of the USA such disrespect

  113. Simon says:

    They are scum. and they are paying for it now.

  114. Josef Stalin says:

    As someone posted below, the American flag embodies Hicks, Gillette and most Americans, not all though; greed, self-interest, rapacious capitalism, and intolerance.

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