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Soccer Talk Live Debuts on Fox Soccer Channel: Review

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Soccer Talk Live, a new TV show from Fox Soccer Channel, debuted Monday night in place of the recently cancelled Fox Football Fone-In. The new show, hosted by former LA Galaxy player Kyle Martino, is a completely different concept than anything Fox has tried before, so they should be given credit for trying. However, the first episode was poor, had no substance, lacked pace and dragged so much than the one hour show felt twice as long. I love soccer, but this show was not a joy to watch.

Debut episodes can often be hit or miss. I remember watching the first episode of the US version of The Office on NBC and thought it was awful. I ditched that show thinking I’d never see another episode of it, but a few months later the buzz in the office was that the show was actually getting quite better and was now watchable. Let’s hope the same thing happens to Soccer Talk Live.

Let me start with the positives. Martino is a natural in front of the camera. He’s got an excellent personality that makes the guests feel welcome and that pulls the viewer into the show. He’s definitely a shining star and I can now see why Fox gave him the opportunity to host his own program. That said, the rest of the cast is under utilized. Tiffany Solano is responsible for reading out viewer e-mail and tweets on air, just as Temryss Lane did last season on Fox Football Fone-In. Comedian Brendan Hunt is Martino’s sidekick, but Hunt is neither funny nor needed on the show. His contributions were a brief rant about World Cup refereeing and the need for goal-line technology, and a yoga stunt near the end. Temryss Lane, meanwhile, had her own segment entitled “In The Fast Lane with Temryss Lane,” which focuses on stories on the periphery of the sport. In this, the first episode, she performed yoga with Edson Buddle on the beach. Next week she interviews the girls from Miss Universe. No joke.

My wife and I sat down and watched the show together. She liked it. I didn’t. To me, the show felt more like Live With Regis and Kelly than an evening or late night chat show. The topics were incredibly lightweight. The closest the one hour got to anything hard hitting was when Martino asked guest Cobi Jones whether Bob Bradley should continue as coach of the US men’s national team, but Jones replied with a very politically correct answer by saying that it’s the responsibility of the US Soccer Federation to make the decision, not him. Other topics discussed included a very brief interview with Landon Donovan about what it was like playing at the RBNY Arena in New Jersey, a cozy interview with actress Elisabeth Shue about her new movie and what it was like growing up in a soccer family, and a few other topics none of which are worth mentioning here. Unfortunately Donovan was scheduled as the main guest for the episode but wasn’t able to make it into the studio due to a death in his family.

Other similarities to a morning show were the cast of pretty faces featuring Martino, Jones, Solano, Lane and Shue. The show is a million miles away from the tough physical game that is played in the streets and barrios around the world. Yes, the show is filmed live near Hollywood, California, but there was too much glitz and glamor on display. The show needed a dose of reality outside of the cozy confines of LA Galaxy and the studio. Having it set in front of a studio audience would have been a good start.

Soccer Talk Live is a feel-good show with an admirable goal. It’s trying to entertain, not educate. But it ends up failing in both categories. Hopefully as the Fox crew get more shows under their belt and bring on better guests, the show will improve. But having Shue on was a mistake. It was painfully obvious that she knew very little about the game. Jones is such a regular on Fox that he had nothing to add despite seeming like an incredibly nice person. And Donovan’s absence from the set was unfortunate. Let’s hope him not being on camera is not a bad omen for the show itself.

When I first heard about the concept for Soccer Talk Live, my biggest concern was the demographic. How could a chat show entertain both soccer fans and people interested in Lindsay Lohan? They’re two completely different audiences. It’s my opinion that by trying to marry the two together that the show fails to attract either audience. This is not a show for the hardcore soccer fan, not even the casual fan. If anything, the first episode felt like a women’s show hosted by a hot guy and featuring segments about yoga and Shue’s family. It sounds, to me, like a show for soccer moms.

While I admire Fox’s desire to create a new type of show on the network that is different than the rest, my concern is that Fox Soccer Channel is getting more and more out of touch with the average soccer fan in America. Instead of dumbing down the sport to help Shue understand the intricacies of the sport (and thereby alienating most of the audience), the network should be reaching out to people who can raise people’s interest and understanding of the game, or tell soccer-related human interest stories that will pull the viewer in. During the past World Cup, ESPN raised the bar by improving the analysis to a world-class level. While Fox may not have the budget or talent to match that, they could certainly try. Instead they went the complete opposite direction and tried something bold and new. It failed. But hopefully they can pick up the pieces, learn from their mistakes and make some radical changes to rescue the show. Or, better yet, they should ask their viewers what they want to see. They may be surprised by all of the good ideas many of them may have.

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110 Responses to Soccer Talk Live Debuts on Fox Soccer Channel: Review

  1. Joel says:

    I DVR’d it and made it about 20 mins before I had to turn it off. I’m hoping it will get better, but I’m still not sure I’ll watch it. Perhaps the more casual fan will be drawn toward the beautiful game because of the show.

    • Gaz Hunt says:

      Ha! You make it 10 minutes longer than I did. Terrible, terrible.

      • Keith says:

        Are they kidding us?
        That was a practical joke wasn’t it?

        I kept shouting out “Substitution Ref … … … SUBSTITUTION!!!”

        Not that FFF was the best show but they trade it in for this?
        Who is running the place over there, the boss’s wife’s Hollywood hairdresser?

        FIFA may ban the US after viewing the tape of this mess & IF it continues, or if this is the best we can come up they probably should!

    • Robert says:

      Is April fools been moved? The show is terrible what are Fox thinking?

    • Jim says:

      Settled down to watch FFF tonite. What have FSC done with the heartbeat of soccer in the USA ? The two W’s took time to warm up but dropping them and FFF is a big mistake. If another channel comes in with a real soccer talk shown all the good work will be lost FSC. Wise up sack the producers of this trash and get back on track. This “entertainment” show will set back soccer ten years in the USA just as it was gaining momentum after a good world cup by the USA. A very quick reverse is needed here.

  2. Charlie in Colorado says:

    I had it on for 10 minutes before I couldn’t take it anymore and switched it to GolTV News. Hate to kick a show on its debut but to quote Sir Alex, “It was an absolute disgrace.”

  3. Hammer says:

    What do you expect from a warmongering country that will never understand football(“soccer”)?

    • Sir Guy says:

      Bash away, but let’s remember that FSC is simply part of Rupert Murdoch’s little toy closet:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:News_Corporation_subsidiaries

      …….and while I’m at it, why folks should get over the idea that somehow ESPN might buy out FSC. That will happen only if Rupert damn well feels like it…….and you don’t want to hold your breath on that one.

    • cfc_mb says:

      Typical west ham fan’s bile.

      But I agree with the others here, very poor first effort. There could be potential, let’s just hope they realize that at the moment it doesn’t quite work.

  4. Steve says:

    Fox Soccer Crap is going backwards. They seem to have no basic understanding of the game or what the fans want..

  5. Michael Fahey says:

    The show was completely insipid. Fox Football Phone-in had its weaknesses, but it was miles better than this utter waste of time.

  6. Chris says:

    I’ve been a television producer for 15 years and I would be embarrassed to have produced Soccer Talk Live. Here’s my review:

    http://acoachinglife.wordpress.com/2010/08/16/soccer-talk-live-is-an-embarrassment/

    • The Gaffer says:

      Good review Chris. Personally I thought the Dixie cups part was the low point of the show, not the zenith. What was the point? No one seemed to care, but you’re right, at least it was some unrehearsed levity.

      Cheers,
      The Gaffer

  7. pungentjoe says:

    the show is absolute shit! it sounded like it was gona be shit and i was not wrong
    i didnt watch ff phone in that much but at least it was a show where the topic was footy and footy was the topic, not the hollywood shit their pedaling.fox truly doesn’t
    have a clue,i for one will never turn that shit on again.

  8. Paul says:

    Wow. I am a very tolerant TV watcher…and i could absolutely PUKE this show…PLEASE…PLEASE figure out a better way to do a soccer show. FFF was so much better than this crap show.

  9. Valdo says:

    As soon as I heard the background tunes and the should Bradley stay or go question I knew it wasn’t going to be good. FFF wasn’t great, but I rather have another season of that than this.

  10. SDSoccer Mom says:

    What a disappointment!!! I never thought I would say I miss Nick and Eric, but I definitely do! Each year FSC has gotten the concept for a football talk show more and more wrong. The best years were Nick and Steven. Hopefully they will cancel Soccer Talk Live very soon and bring back “Fox Football Fone-In.

  11. patrick says:

    It was beyond bad… The set looked like it was built by my high school prop crew, and that was two VERY stoned individuals. The thusly named eye candy girl didn’t know how to pronounce the sponsor, Elizabeth Shue looked out of place and Kobe tried to do his best and smiled a lot through this mess.

    It seriously looked like a well written comedy by the rest of the world at our soccer culture. think the Fast Show… only in American English not Spanish.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctaszjeaDK0

  12. soonerscotty says:

    Please, I’m trying to forget I ever saw it.

  13. jbm says:

    It’s digestible, just as cold McDonalds is, but do you really want it?

    Most shows are bad their first time on, what I’d love to see is a review September 16th and October 16th to spur the discussion of whether it’s improving or not.

  14. QR says:

    This show was geared toward the very casual fan, which I am afraid does not visit this website. Us hard core soccer fans that want hard hitting opinions /review of mathces are not going to find it on this show. Don’t think I’ll waste my time next week. I enjoyed FFF and will miss it dearly.

  15. Cantona says:

    i couldnt figure out what demographic they are going for… teens?.. then he thows in the Champions League and Premiership plug… embarrassing… it had the production value of Wayne and Garths cable show… hmm maybe im giving them too much credit… horrible…truly horrible..

    Cantona—

  16. Mike says:

    I can’t stand Kyle Martino. What was that sequence with him going to the Rose Bowl and acting like a moron for 2 minutes? I watched about 10-15 minutes and turned it off. I hope this show gets replaced by something more like NFL Live or Baseball Tonight on ESPN, but with soccer as the subject matter of course.

  17. Estevi says:

    Bring back Webster and whoever we need serious football talk

  18. jerryjones says:

    Agree, the show is no good. Agree the show could be way better by having a live audience. Bring a live audience and make it about soccer. Isnt it called soccer talk live? Bring not one or 2 soccer personalities per show, bring more, players coaches, analyst, writers etc. Bring those people and with the live audience disscuss the weekend games, rumours, etc. Before we had FFF and SSP as the only shows were the games were discussed and I wanted more, now we only have super sunday plus. A show with martino as host, costigan, wynalda and bobby macmahon as co-host, plus your weekly guests and a live audience would be perfect. You can have an hour dedicated to the analysis of games, and an hour of “entertainment” were you play a 2 on 2 in a small pitch, and let the audience be part of it, let them give their take on their clubs and games. The thing about soccer that makes different from every sport is that its always about the game and the supporters. Something I loved about setanta was their shows wich to me were very very good, and how they always tried to bring the audience to them. But FSC should make it about soccer and only soccer, we soccer supporters dont really care about anything else but the sport. Thats why we dont watch espn, because there was a moment where espn was turning into mtv. But agree, FFF to SCT is a real step backwards. If FSC wants to keep soccer talk live then bring FFF to tuesdays or thursdays, or something similar where you can get different analysis about the games. Thats my take, YNWA

  19. jerryjones says:

    One more thing, why dont we see more shows taped live at different locations? Wouldnt super sunday be awesome if it was made on a real pub with supporters? I understand that moving to different locations may cost a lot, so just choose an LA pub and make it your home, it would really be fantastic. I love soccer programming (TyC Sports) from argentina, their shows are superb, their sets are incredible, and FSC could use them as a model. YNWA

  20. terri says:

    I watched Soccer Talk Live tonight and I have to say, what is going on?? Seriously? This show has nothing to do with Football (soccer) its just stupid nonsense talk and letlets see how many pretty faces that nothing to do with football on a TV show. Total Crap.

    If you’re going to broadcast a show about soccer, then at least talk about the game that covers not only England and US, but what about the rest of the world? Fone In did this every week and now we have this awful mess.

    Please please make my subscription to Fox Soccer Channel worth while, this is just not money well spent.

    I’m watching it now and they’re talking about Yoga! Good lord, help me please.

    Talk about the game, US, EnglandN Italy, France, Germany, Brazil, Argentina etc.. Not this dripple.

  21. Bob says:

    Soccer Talk Live is horrible. No wait – IT SUCKS! If I wanted to see actresses or actors talk and see movie clips I’d watch Letterman or the Late Show. Have a show like during the World Cup. Have McMahon and C. Sullivan, maybe Klinsman or Beckham or a EPL announcer. Also talk about all the top leagues (EPL, Bundesliga, Ligue 1, La Liga, Siera A,) and yes MLS (only because the show is in the USA) not just EPL. Plus if they’re going to show the top goals – then show best goals from around the world. Use the KISS principle (Keep It Simple Stupid).

    This show is now for teenagers, kids and girls who want to know how some player kisses. Oh Please – silly. Everyone please e-mail FSC on how bad this show is. They need to get swamped by e-mails.

  22. Johnny Bananas says:

    Man that show was an abortion!!! I thought that nonsense bambling blowhard Eric Wynalda was hard to watch, but after subjecting myself to this for an hour, id pay to have him back. I used to love Fox Football Fone-in when Steven Cohen and Nick Webster were together, but unfortunately its gone all downhill from there.
    And also what about that Fox Soccer Tonight thing? Who the fxxk thought that was a good idea?
    I can imagine the pitch “How about a show thats like a summary of the game except its an hour long, because people who watched the game in alreadt have nothing better to do than to basically watch it again but in a slightly shorter version”
    Ohh yeah thats a great idea, where do I sign up ???
    Get a fxxking Clue FSC, you’re ruined what was once upon a time a good product!!!!

  23. WSW says:

    what we need right now is a show:

    Eurosnob vs MLSnob

  24. Wow says:

    Jesus, I’m trying to find something nice to say about it – kinda feels like your slightly overweight co-worker asking what you think of her lime-green pantsuit off the rack at Lane Bryant.

    The production budgets must not be extravagant over there at FSC, but sometimes when you overreach on a concept somebody needs to be honest and sticks to within the resources available.

    The co-host is seriously annoying and am I left asking: what exactly was the point of this? Felt like I was watching a public access interview show done at a high school.

  25. Matt says:

    They had a good thing when Steven Cohen was still on FFF and killed it (thanks in part to your campaign, Gaffer). Love him or hate him, the guy knew his soccer and the show was a legitimate must-watch (until Webby ruined it with his inanity and constant hawking of sponsors). Now it’s all puff and fluff.

    • bob says:

      Totally true Cohen knew his stuff. They should hire him and his co-host on wfd-kenny to do a show on fsc. it would be truly epic.

      • Wow says:

        Have you actually listened to WFD since it hid behind a paywall due to the LFC controversy? They have about 5000 shut-ins who listen to that Kiddie Kult of Personality – canceled my subscription faster than a flasher opens his raincoat because it’s just a rehash of all the stuff you can get for free out there. Cohen’s in love with himself and Kenny is so bent over on his own delusions to notice. WSD went downhill way before the LFC stuff, when Geber left, and the controversy just sealed the deal.

        • Matt says:

          Oh boy here we go. I’ll wager you’re an LFC fan. Besides this has nothing to do with WFD.

          • M.Garcia says:

            The guy hates LFC and doesn’t hide it. For me, if the guy would have simply erased from memory his disdain for the red half of merseyside, that would have been him last night. I support LFC, but that show consistently brings quality guests to the show (Vickery, Brassell, seemingly every writer from the fish wraps in England, players, coaches). Whatever your feelings about it, as we saw last night, quality will eventually lead a consumer toward the right place. For me, that’s WFD not this shite from FSC.

      • Dave C says:

        Cohen knew his stuff? I get the absolute opposite impression – I’ve always thought he is absolutely clueless, and only gets work in the US because (like many British and Irish expatriate broadcasters), his accent is enough to persuade dumb broadcasting execs that he has some footballing knowledge, but he doesn’t.

        In particular, he has absolutely no knowledge of (or respect for) anyone outside of top four or five places in the premier league.

        • TR1 says:

          Cohen does not have the deepest football knowledge, but he comes more prepared than anyone on air re:soccer. He also works very hard to bring great guests, he asks great questions, and is funny and annoying in his own way which is what you need to get engaged. The new show is very intersting, and Kenny is very funny. Very funny and entertaining. They may not translate to TV and to a wide audience though, like what this show is trying to do. But they are great for a hardcore fan, new or old.

  26. wil bishop says:

    Well said everyone. I will never watch that shit again!!!!!!

  27. man99utd says:

    There will not be a next time. I thought fox soccer channel was a dedicated soccer channel. If I want “The View” I’ll watch it. Also, I really do not care about Ms Shue. This was beyond bad. IMO FSC has just “jumped the shark” and there is no going back.

  28. Bobby says:

    Temryss is an active soccer player, she plays in the WPSL I believe. She could’ve played at a higher level had she not torn up her knee. I’m fairly certain Temryss is more knowledgeable than Hunt when it comes to soccer, if you’re going to have her on the show and have a “sidekick”, make her the sidekick.

    That rant aside, the show was poor. I guess the idea has potential — not saying it’s great, just that it has potential — but it was horribly executed. Bits of it felt extremely uncomfortable and Cobi Jones looked like there were a million places he’d rather be, as did Kyle at times.

    Did FSC get a new guy at the top or something? Kind of like the television equivalent of a “visionary chairman” that comes in with cheesy ideas and leaves the club in financial ruin six months down the road?

    They traded down from FFF with this, they really did, and I wasn’t an FFF fan to start with, but Webster is probably one of FSC’s better personalities.

    • The Gaffer says:

      Bobby, Fox has made some recent changes including a new executive vice president to run Fox Soccer Channel as well as a new chief executive at Fox Sports. In addition to that, they’ve had a couple of people promoted within their organization, so it’s quite possible that you’re correct in terms of new people with new ideas.

      The more I thought about the show last night, the more I feel it was created by a woman. It has a female sensibility about it.

      Cheers,
      The Gaffer

      • TR1 says:

        Very true Gaffer! I did a twitter search on it after the show, and quite a few women LOVEd the show, or had guys who said their wivews loved it.

  29. Fee says:

    I gave this show a chance. Why cos it looked so shite that I wanted it to prove me wrong… and you know what it did prove me wrong, it was horse shite! (Which we all know is much bigger and worse that regular shite)
    The (Kyle) while confident was flat, the studio is embarrassing. Like they picked up a bunch of dudes from Home Depot to come build it and paid them upfront! Who that comedy side-kick was I do not know. Either you’re in or you’re out buddy…
    Shue was just there to promote a movie and had a slight connection to the game. Yeah she used to play WHEN SHE WAS 12! But she knows nothing of the game outside of driving her kids to practice in her mini-van!!
    They pay that Solano bird to read words, that’s all she does!! Stop that, stop it now! I mean she’s not bad to look at but is she even taking in what she is reading? Make Kyle do it! What else is he doing?
    The yoga thing was embarrassing too, Temryss Lane has far too many teeth in her mouth and has no personality.
    They need to model there show on a blend of Soccer AM and Attack of the Show, seriously! Soccer AM had great feature such as Showboat, Third Eye, Crossbar Challenge, Platoon, Soccerette, Fans of the Week and tons more besides. But they had 3 hours to fill. So they should break the show down like AotS does in one hour every single day! And they fill that show up and it whizzes by!
    And the set was so quiet, once again they need to do what Soccer Am and Aots does, even The Soup. Give the crew and interns a voice! Brings so much character and unscripted goodness to a show.
    With regards to celebrity guests, I actually don’t mind the principle. But done right. Big time movie stars and musicians are Football fans and most don’t know it. Jay-Z, Spike Lee and Kevin Costner are avid Arsenal fans!! And apparently Dr. Dre like a bit of Liverpool, Ray Liotta is Yi… sorry Spurs fan, Brad Pitt is a Man Utd follower and Sly Stallone is an Everton fan?.., I don’t know how credible some of those are but with some research they can find out. I know those Arsenal ones are 100% true.

    The show needs to be about the sport, everything breath needs to be about football. Not cooing over a d list celeb. Yes bring in some pop culture references but it should be about FOOTBALL first and foremost, not 3D piranhas, yoga or that Brad fella.

    Hopefully they listen t fan feedback and make a show we can all be proud of.

    • Echo Base says:

      Well said. I agree completely..

    • Mike Fahey says:

      Why bother with celebrity guests? I have very little interest in some entertainer’s views on football, even if he or she is a genuine fan. I’d love to see a lengthy interview with Spke Lee on the subject of film making, but he is just another guy when it comes to sport. Stick to the game, we are already bombarded by references to pop culture.

      • Fee says:

        Because part of the goal is to boost exposure for the game (admittedly a futile task on a network that is Soccer only!) Celebrities are idolized by many and have a huge influence on people. I found this to be an interesting read http://www.arsenal.com/usa/news/features/grammy-gunner and I’m sure others will to. Leave the pop culture references for other shows, I agree, but no others show can talk to celebs about such a great subject. Arsenal… I mean Football… Soccer…
        As I said the Soccer AM model worked so well for many years and if emulated Soccer Talk Live could out grow itself in no time.

  30. Attaturk says:

    It’s an asinine concept of a show. Fox Soccer Channel is a niche channel in America. Even at it’s peak, it has well-under 1 million viewers ALL strong soccer fans.

    You are only going to grow the channel audience by appealing to that group and tailoring your program to it. But to make a show tailored to the casual fan and to have it be so awful, wow.

    My favorite part (as in laughably bad) was Martino coming through the fake prop door like Mr. Rogers. Can you say “lame” boys and girls? I thought you could.

  31. JayM says:

    Agree, this was hard to watch. What I would love to see is something resembling the “Football Matters” show that used to air on Setanta. I liked the format of that show where there would be a small studio audience, two hosts and two or three guests each week from the football world (columnists/media members, former players, coaches, referees, etc.) and they would talk about the world of football and there would also be a segment where audience members would get to say what was on their mind or ask questions.

  32. Lucky Luciano says:

    Just give the lovely Temryss her own show where she sits in her bikini on the beach with a cocktail, big shades and too much sun oil and interviews Designated Players.

  33. Echo Base says:

    Soccer Talk Live last night was a disaster, but give fsc some credit as they try to do something different but unfortunately it didnt live up to my expectations. I agree with some ppl here that the show should be like “football matters” where they bring in guests and live audiences and discuss football/soccer. I liked FFF and Football Matters on Sentanta, they should try to incorporate both concepts into one show like “hybrid” of all football talk shows e.g (FFF, Football Matter sand Super Sunday plus with live audiences, in a PUB setting, interaction with live audience, twitter, so phone call, email) and so on. FSC please make the necessary changes.

  34. Dan Cortese says:

    Even I’ve made better TV shows than this. This show is going to crash faster than Mel Gibson in a Maserati.

  35. Dave C says:

    Wow, looks like everyone is in complete agreement that this show is absolutely dire.

    For my part, I watched it for about ten minutes before I had to change – here are my observations:
    - as everyone has mentioned, the set looked like it had been put together by a highschool theater group.
    - I thought Kyle Martino was completely wooden. I can’t agree with gaffer’s view that he is a natural in front of camera. His whole performance was so awkward – He he sounded like he was reading from a script that he had never seen before.
    - The Landon Donovan interview was embarrassing. If this show is filmed in LA, and LD lives in LA, could they not do the interview in person? And for more than 2 minutes?
    - I have no interest in Elizabeth Shue, and I should imagine this is true for most football fans. I turned off before she came on, but from what everyone else says, it sounds like she’s not really into football at all. In that case, why have her on the show?

    If the show is going to have guests on, it needs to take a leaf from Soccer AM’s book. Soccer AM seems to be fairly in touch with the laddish culture of football fandom (mostly males in their teens to late 20s/early 30s), and the guests reflect that – they are always genuine football fans themselves, and usually drawn from field that the audience is interested in (eg musicians, people from other sports, actors/actresses from films and shows that men watch).

    • Nicole says:

      To Dave C,

      No, they couldn’t do the interview in person with LD. He was in Seattle due to a death in the family.

      You guys need to give this thing a chance. It threw them for a loop when LD had to bow out – very unexpected. So they had to make do. Most pilots are crap anyway. Give it time to get better. I have a feeling it will.

      And please, FSC, don’t bring back FFF. I couldn’t stand that show.

      • Mike Fahey says:

        I have to wonder about Fox’s research department. Granted that this web site skews strongly toward hard core followers of the game rather than more casual fans, but aren’t the former much more likely to watch a studio show devoted to football?

      • DgW says:

        where i live FSC is the only soccer channel available so to me FFF was the 1 soccer show i had and i loved it. the show last night was so bad that even my ol lady walked in the front room in disbelief that a show could be such a horrible fail. the side kick guy is a play wright or something. FFF had him on before and he had a play in hollywood where he likens soocer teams from around the world to their U.S sports counterpart. Portugals national team was the Chargers…..

      • Dave C says:

        Ok, I guess I didn’t pay enough attention to realize the background of the LD interview, and I guess his withdrawal could have really thrown the whole show off-track, which is kind of unfortunate.

        But I still fee like a lot of it was just inexplicably bad – like K Martino’s weird soliloquy at the start, a lot of his script came across as very forced and unnatural. And I have no idea why Elizabeth Shue was on the show if she is not even a football fan. She has zero appeal to most football fans. The only reason I remember her name is because it sounds like “shoe”.

  36. Jeff says:

    memo to FOX: bring back Fox Football Fone-In & Steven Cohen (even though some of the audience would rather see Eric Wynalda instead), we need the views of football fans, and stop limiting the topics by allowing discussion on La Liga & Bundesliga even though it’s not on the channel. I saw 5 minutes of that show, and I just switch channels. I don’t have the feel for Soccer Talk Live.

  37. David says:

    Dave C,
    Landon had a death in the family and couldn’t make it. He will be on the show next week instead. I agree though, the LD phone interview was a joke.

    I was looking forward to a new show on soccer. When it started and I saw the set, I thought to myself “you’ve got to be kidding me.” The whole thing was just terrible. There was nothing professional about the show. Fox should be embarrassed. Everyone should start wagering how soon it will get the axe. Personally, I think Fox should focus on producing their own soccer news show instead of buying Fox Soccer Report. It would be nice to have one in high definition.

  38. fighting blue hen says:

    wtf is this ? someone needs to be fired for this howler.

  39. Skinny says:

    Total crap show. I would have rather watched Temryss Lane juggle the ball and do yoga for a full hour.

    Did anyone else catch the part where Martino was giving a preview of the Everton v Wolves game and told the viewing audience that this game would be a “Yank Off”? (Approx 40 mins in). He was trying to be funny about having 2 American keepers playing each other, just dumb.

    • Dave C says:

      @Skinny
      “I would have rather watched Temryss Lane juggle the ball and do yoga for a full hour”

      Now THAT is a show I would watch. Hubba hubba!

  40. FulhamDC says:

    When I was in High School, in New Jersey, we had “The Uncle Floyd Show”. It was basically one short Italian guy in a bad plaid jacket and goofy hat telling idiotic jokes to a couple of puppets. I’m pretty sure one of the puppets was drawn on his hand and named “Oogie”. It was pointless, it was stupid, it was on UHF. But, compared to that crap last night, it was The West Wing!

  41. kackac says:

    While most people didn’t think that FFF was a great show by any means, it was far, far better than the piece of crap they managed to produce there. AS a diehard fan, it’s so frustrating when these shows refuse to delve any deeper than the surface of issues in the game, i.e. the fact that Bob Bradley shouldn’t coach Aston Villa OR the USMNT, or even a score prediction for a game. Seriously, CJ? You couldn’t blurt out that Manure is going to beat Fulham??? I know it was a pilot, and I know the whole LD situation through them for a loop, but come on now.. the show had no insight at all, and if you look past the crap “hollywood glam” facade, there was nothing but a cardboard set and a relatively cute girl on a bar stool. It reminded me of a show I used to watch when I was younger on Disney called ‘Out of the Box.’ Until FSC puts on a real football show, there is nothing much to watch apart from the games themselves, as they obviously can’t hire anyone to put any insight into the actual game.

    Oh, and I don’t know who the Shue girl is, but since when is someone who hasn’t played since they were 12 eligible to talk about the game at all? You don’t see ESPN calling me in for baseball tonight due to my illustrious baseball career that ended in fourth grade.

    If this goes on for more than two more weeks, it would be a real shame.

  42. SSReporters says:

    FSC really makes it hard for people to believe these guys aren’t amateurish public access people. Literally all of their shows suck and maybe it’s me but I’m noticing at random times I’ll lose sound and see a blip in my picture. It can’t be my TV because I only get this from FSC.

    STL is awful and with the CL today I can’t wait for more lousy pre-game shows.

    • Steve says:

      Yea, i seem to get a ‘blip’ every 5 mins and the sound goes way down. It only happens on FSCrap. Awful channel!

  43. Balki Bartokomous says:

    I’d rather watch the Peter Griffin Side Boob Hour. When STL is cancelled, I will do the dance of joy!

  44. B says:

    This has to be the worst thing I have ever seen on FSC. I got FSC because its really the only way I am able to watch Live soccer. This is what they put on..? Im sooo glad I was able to meet the star of “Pirahna 3D” this week. That was really important to me on the opening week of the EPL season. And what on earth does that have to do with soccer any way? NOBODY who tunes in to any “soccer news” program is going to want to get a movie review. Who’s idea was that? It was hokey, cheesy,and down-right bad TV. I feel like I received more insight from Alexi and Robby at the halftime of the MAN U game than in that entire show. But I got to see some good YOGA…? If that counts for something.
    Bring back FFF (maybe just one hour long though) or something similar that viewers of FSC would actually care about….PLEASE!

  45. Lowell N. says:

    Good thing the show was on last night… I left it on the corner for trash pick-up today.

  46. Echo Base says:

    i dont normally post anything, but i am so annoyed by the show last night. i actually watched the whole thing hoping that it was going to get better. it so wrong such a waste of my time. i can’t believe i am at work blogging about this bullshit.

  47. cohensrevenge says:

    The whole show is one big wind up merchant fest for little girls ,and the pc brigade as well as small bean regarders.

  48. dlink09 says:

    i just watched 1 minute..

  49. Ken says:

    Just having people standing in front of a camera talking in front of a camera is a loser.

    FSC keeps having the same RADIO SHOW with a camera – Super Sunday Plus, Fox Football Fone-In and now this.

    Any show which is only people talking has some other visual component. About the only exceptions are Letterman and Leno, and they live or die on the desire of the audience to see the guest interviewed, so it has to be someone compelling like Dana Carvey or Schwarzenegger.

    Frankly, no one wants to see soccer players interviewed for more than 30 seconds, as they have nothing more to say than “I played well today” or “I played poorly today”.

    Martino talked about this show being like SportsNation and some commenters said “oh no”, but that show has continual VISUAL content.

    Try watching Sky Sports News or MOTD – talking heads get 30 seconds to comment before continuing with the VISUAL content.

  50. OleGunnar20 says:

    i really can’t add anything to describing this train wreck but i have no idea why they just don’t steal a good idea from ESPN UK. if you go to the espn.co.uk website you an see highlights and clips from Between The Lines (a serious footy discussion show with hosts plus journos, players, coaches, etc) and From The Terraces (a little less serious mix of footy/culture with hosts plus famous footy fans, players, etc). both are shot on the same set and both do what they are trying to do very very well. sure they have Rebecca Lowe and FSC only has Temeryss but at least these shows are a good concept. i suggest that everyone check them out and that FSC get a f**king clue and check them out to. if Around the Horn can rip off the BBC gem Fighting Talk, FSC shouldn’t be above a little television concept thievery.

    oh, and since i am hoping that MLS dumps FSC and goes with Versus i thought it was interesting that the interview of Edson Buddle last week on their Daily Line show (another show FSC might look to copy) was far far far more insightful and soccer intelligent even tho it was done by “non” soccer types. that it was a superiour interview than that on a soccer show, on a soccer channel by soccer people should tell you everything you need to know about how pathetic FSC and almost everything they do is.

  51. Jay A. says:

    This show made me wonder if FSC had orders from the parent Fox to grow ratings by trying to appeal to a more mainstream audience. We have seen many niche channels go mainstream by adding more and more non-niche shows. Could this be the first step in Fox Soccer Channel eventually changing their name to FSC Channel, dropping soccer for reality tv, and showing WWF on Friday nights?

  52. maxi lopez in the prem says:

    Fox Football Fone In was a good show.

  53. Colorado Hammer says:

    What a bunch of tripe!
    I also DVR’d the show and the only watched 10 minutes before I turned it off. Lindsay Lohan and Miss Universe? What’s next? Beach football with girls in bikinis? (Okay. Maybe that would work – but for all the wrong reasons.)
    If this is the only way there is to have “soccer” appeal to a wider audience we are better off without that audience.
    If Fox Football Friday was bad and Fox Football Fone In was deemed no better, how do we end up with this as the best alternative?

  54. Matt says:

    Hi, sorry if this isn’t exactly the right place to ask this question, but i’m not really sure where else to ask it…I was thinking of ordering Fox Soccer Channel to start watching some EPL games and some Champions League. I’m under the impression that FSC doesn’t televise any La Liga matches? Can anyone tell me exactly what kind of matches I will be able to watch with FSC? I know EPL, Champions League and some Serie A are on there, but is there any chance to see some La Liga, too? If anyone could help me out so i can figure out what exactly I’ll be able to watch here, I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks. —-Matt.

    • David says:

      Matt
      Fox Soccer channel has EPL, Champions League, Serie A, A League (Australia), international friendlies, Euro 2012 qualifying, MLS, and WPS.

      GolTv has the La Liga rights in the U.S. Besides GolTv, Directv will show 4 games a week for free I believe. I don’t know if GolTv sub licensed rights to ESPN this year like last season.

  55. Neil says:

    Wow. Come back Fox Football Fone in – All is forgiven. Total lack of understanding of what fans want. We need people on FSC that understand the game, like Nick Webster does. Not this lame dross. Sad and disappointing FSC.

  56. Susan says:

    I have two seperate thoughts about Fox Soccer Talk Live.

    1) I kept wondering if the show was just a joke and at any minute that the set was going to split apart in the back to reveal the FFF set with Nick, Eric and Temryss.

    OR

    2) It was like poor attempt at Bizzaro Fox Football Fone-In.

    Bring back FFF!!!!

  57. The Gaffer says:

    Fox has released an encore presentation of Soccer Talk Live, which has additional footage that wasn’t available in the original episode. You can view it at http://bit.ly/9BtZOE

    Cheers,
    The Gaffer

  58. brn442 says:

    I watched bits of it and while I’m sure there will be “improvements” why on god’s earth can’t Fox build a decent set, I’ve seen better sets built for high school plays. Secondly, I don’t know what the mission or point of the show is, as I see it – there is no reason for me to go out of my way to tune in.

    • The Gaffer says:

      According to Kyle Martino, the show’s mission is to “attempt to meld together hard-core soccer supporters who watch every Premier League game with viewers interested both in Lindsay Lohan and Portugal and Real Madrid star Cristiano Ronaldo.”

      Cheers,
      The Gaffer

    • Attaturk says:

      Wow, stuff that wasn’t up to snuff for Monday’s public-access quality broadcast. It’s like the Zapruder film of fail.

  59. Danny says:

    Wow what a poor first show…When will we see a diehard American personal in front of a camara…Mostly everyone on FSC only talk about the game for a paycheck…Lets face it more Europeans should be working for FSC then the crap North American’s they got on the air right now…The likes of Jeremy St. Louis, Derek Taylor, Terri Leigh, Lara Baldesarra, Brian Dunseth, Christian Miles, Steve Bell, Mark Rogondino, Todd Grisham, Temryss Lane, and now Kyle Martino only bring the channel down

  60. bradjmoore48 says:

    I agree with pretty much every commenter on here that this show was not well done, and that trying to bring a “casual fan” approach has to work VERY well on a network that is mostly subscribed by diehard soccer fans. However, during the broadcast, I was thinking where a show like this could end up working: Versus. There have been suggestions that MLS will be dropped from FSC and might be picked up by Versus next year, which many believe will be a good move for the game and for the League. Should that happen, in order to keep ratings at a good level, Versus would need a “casual fan” approach to the show. So a show similar to Soccer Talk Live would make sense, though obviously the production needs to go up, and hopefully avoid some D-List celebrities who clearly don’t know much about the game. Honestly, Elizabeth Shue’s brother PLAYED in MLS, and she look baffled whenever even the slightest mention of the game came up. This can’t happen. As much as I loathe Jay-Z, if Hov is at Red Bulls matches to watch Henry play, do your damndest to book him for a interview. Get Steve Nash on, since he owns a club. As people have mentioned, celebrities love or at least appreciate the game, there can be quality guest appearances on a show like this.

  61. Jason Gatties says:

    I find myself in disagreement with Gaffer on many subjects covered here. This is not one of them. The show was horrible and I will not waste another minute on it.

  62. stephen soltis says:

    ok fox had me for 2 hours every monday for 9 months a year and after watching soccer talk live they just lost me, God that was horrible

  63. Matt THE Cat says:

    this show is a joke. the only good thing about the episode was cobi jones. JOKE.

  64. Pakapala says:

    This is nothing new for FOX Sports they’ve already tried a sport show like that a decade ago it was called “The Best Damn Sports Show”. I hated the move towards pop culture fans then and I hate this move now.

  65. Martin says:

    What the heII was that? At least with FFF there was a possibility of insight and Wynalda did not try to make people like him as if he were some attention starved third grader (the co-idiot) or drama queen (the host). Absolutely nothing about the show made me want to tune in next week (except Temryss Lane who seemed put off by the attempted glitz as well), or for that matter tune in to any soccer on FSC! The FFF show was a great primer for the next week of soccer and unbeatable review of stuff I might have missed the week before. It made me look forward to more soccer, not bad Tonight show imitations. No wait that was too kind, a bad Chevy Chase show imitation. I don’t want entertainment soccer, that frankly looked like it was shot as part of some Serbian cable access show. If they think this draw new fans they are sadly mistaking, and have lost me and many other in the process. Insipid!

  66. Martin says:

    What the heII was that? At least with FFF there was a possibility of insight and Wynalda did not try to make people like him as if he were some attention starved third grader (the co-idiot) or drama queen (the host). Absolutely nothing about the show made me want to tune in next week (except Temryss Lane who seemed put off by the attempted glitz as well), or for that matter tune in to any soccer on FSC! The FFF show was a great primer for the next week of soccer and unbeatable review of stuff I might have missed the week before. It made me look forward to more soccer, not bad Tonight show imitations. No wait that was too kind, a bad Chevy Chase show imitation. I don’t want entertainment soccer, that frankly looked like it was shot as part of some Serbian cable access show. If they think this draw new fans they are sadly mistaking, and have lost me and many other in the process. Insipid!

  67. Lou Epps says:

    Whether its Fox “News” or Fox “Sports”, they don’t believe in informing the viewing public. Fox just dumbs everything down ( i.e “Digger” on NASCAR broadcasts). Serious journalism has never been a strong point for Rupurt Murdoch and his networks.

  68. Tom says:

    I’ll tune in again in a month when hopefully FSC will have brought back FFF. That was an enjoyable show. If they do bring it back, keep Nick Webster, but consider an alternative co-host. Cohen talked way too much about Chelsea and Wynalda way too much about himself.

  69. larry says:

    This show is freakin retarded. There is no football talk. It’s all about hollywood. Bring back FFF. It wasn’t amazing, but at least it talked about the subject in hand FOOTBALL! Idiots!

  70. ktp says:

    bring back Cohen, if anything bring back FFF…this new show has no banter…i mean c’mon…Susan Serandon playing bags? wtf?…over half the show is about non football related stuff….bring back the banter, the questions, the opinions…thats what footballs all about…this show has no spirit of the game…its cheaply thrown together…im sorry but look above and see what everyone else is saying….the same thing….i give this show another 5 to 10 episodes max before its cancelled

  71. Yogimarley says:

    Tonight they had susan suraden on…talking about ping pong! WTF! I can’t freaking believe this is on fox SOCCER.. they replaced fff for this! We have officialy lost the momentum from the world cup. Someone needs to be fired.

  72. Chris says:

    Awful! Catastrophic! I had been watching FFF since it debuted on Friday nights and eventually I looked forward to every Monday night during the season. Now we have this pathetic Tonight Show-esque affair on FSC, with a pathetic, badly dressed sidekick. I seriously can’t figure out what was so wrong with FFF that they replaced it with this. Five minutes of the new show and I clicked away. A true bummer if FFF doesn’t come back in some form.

  73. Brian Pearce says:

    As little as I like the new show, I can understand adding it to the FSC lineup. After all, there are 168 1-hour slots in week, and that’s hard to fill when your channel is devoted to one topic. But that makes it all the more unfathomable that they would cancel the other show. It wasn’t as if the FSC cup runneth over with soccer-related programming–witness the many hours of infomercials and replays of matches most of us already recorded on the weekdays. There was plenty of room for FFF, quite apart from whether this new fluff finds an audience. Now if only Fox would merge FSC and Fox Soccer Plus, then it might face some hard programming choices. This wasn’t one. For us soccer geeks wanting analysis, call this the Fox Football Flip Off.

  74. boss man says:

    this show is total crap no jokes

  75. boss man says:

    the host stinks he’s drab slow , lame and boring his guest a all lame as well where’s review of the games , I heard this guy say he played the game of soccer well the crap he talk you’ll never have thought get the rid of him he’s rubbish the show is rubbish FSC you’re wrong for that had some music band on monday nite who the hell cares BRING BACK FFF pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeee.

  76. boss man says:

    make tamares lanes segment longer it’s the best thing on the show everything else in studio is shitttttttttttttttttttt did i mention the host was crappy

  77. Marcus says:

    Soccer Talk Live is GARBAGE! This show is sooooooo awful! WHY???? Bring BACK Steven and Nick for the original FFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So disappointed by this change…

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