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Can The Glazers Really Be Forced To Sell Manchester United?

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And so it begins in earnest. After months of pressure being to filter through from fan groups, the last few weeks have seen Manchester United fans begin to turn up the pressure on the Glazer family. Do not be fooled by people giving this anti-American slant, this is not about such trivial matters as nationality. Manchester United fans do not disagree about the club being owned by Americans, they disagree with how the club is being run, seemingly as a piggy bank for the Glazer family.

It seems astounding to consider that Manchester United are now saddled with a £712 million debt, which regardless of how much spin comes out of the United PR department, is growing year on year. The Love United Hate Glazer campaign is growing in strength, a group of potential benefactors known as the Red Knights have put themselves forward, led by Keith Harris, former chairman of the Football League. The Manchester United Supporters Trust is growing in size, F.C. United of Manchester continue to attract 2000 fans to watch non-league football.

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Several groups converging toward one aim. The removal of the Glazer family as the owners of Manchester United, but is it a realistic ambition. For all the grit and determination shown by these Manchester United fans, the one question remains. Can or would the Glazer’s sell? On the surface, the current owners are steadfast in their refusal to even consider the possibility of a sale. They remain committed to United until 2017 at the earliest which creates a stalemate.

There is only one way to force the Glazers hand, but it would require strength and unity across a fan base, the likes of which has never been seen before. The fans have to stop going to United, stop buying all the merchandise, cancel their subscriptions to MUTV. They have to turn their back on their beloved club to strip revenue streams from the owners. There is no other avenue of attack left open to the fans in my opinion. Singing songs and protesting about the way the club is being run is all well and good, but the only way to hit the owners is in the pocket.

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It may seem outlandish and for all the gripes that fans in England have had with owners over the years, a large percentage of the protesters continue to watch their team. For all the issues at Newcastle under Mike Ashley, the attendances didn’t fall enough to put real pressure on him to sell up. For all the United groups good intentions, the only way to ramp up the pressure is to stop going, stop renewing the season tickets, stop buying the new kits by the bucket load.

Without that, without showing true determination to change the path the club is currently on, to force the current owners to sell, to prove how much they care about Manchester United, they must turn their back and not return to Old Trafford until the ownership changes. I noticed in December, when I went for the League Cup Quarter Final, a number of empty seats that I had never seen at Old Trafford in the 20 years that I’ve been visiting the ground as an away fan. You could pay on the gate that night and it was £42.

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Yet come the semi-final against City and the final against Aston Villa, the seats were all sold, though the green and yellow scarfs and shirts were in great abundance. People may scoff at Manchester United fans, but its an old tired joke these days. They’ve always been easy targets over the history of the Premiership, but even during the dark days of the 70′s and 80′s when United were not the power they became, they were always one of the most popular clubs in England.

Banners unfurled at the Wolves game on Saturday evening were directed at David Gill after he waded in to Keith Harris, rather unkindly I felt, but it was no surprise to the LUHG supporters.The question is, can the fan groups and the rich investors force Glazer and his family to sell. There is no other option for the fans. They have to boycott everything to even stand half a chance because at the end of the day, they can simply stay away. Only by hitting the club in the pocket can they make a real impact and I wish them the best of luck.

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65 Responses to Can The Glazers Really Be Forced To Sell Manchester United?

  1. Lyle says:

    I think the Glazers will be owning Man Utd for a long time to come. They’ve made a long term investment, it’s not about the club being a piggy bank, but about owning one of the great sports clubs in the world and having it as a financial asset. Smart finance on the Glazers part because eventually they’ll be back in the black, and then it truly will be a piggy bank.

    The average Englishman just doesn’t get that it’s not about the current debt, but about the value of the club 20 years from now.

  2. rej4sl says:

    I Disagree the Glazer Family bought United to saddle off their debt – the richest club in the world is now the fun toy of the Glazer Family who use the piggy bank to sustain their lifestyle – goodbye good riddance and LUHG

  3. Philip says:

    Yeah Lyle, you’re a genius and the average Englishman is an idiot that just doesn’t get it FFS. Of course they’re committed to the next 5 years, under the new bond propsectus they’re entitled to steal up to 500m pounds. They absolutely would sell if United stopped making money, its the only reason they have it. If the fans dont boycott it would be lunacy to sell. The Glazers dont care about the debt, all they’re obligated to do is to meet the interest payments with the clubs money. There is no strategy to tackle the debt. If the boycott happens the Glazers will be rid in a year since there is nothing left to steal and the club becomes a nuisance to these uber football fanatics

    • Lyle says:

      If you mean genius by knowing what I’m talking about, than yes, I’m a genius.

      There is a strategy to concur the debt, it’s called time… or even a future buyer.

  4. phil says:

    I think this is all hysterical-the Red Devils are on top of the league and making wads of cash, its financial outlook is as good as any club’s. And people are complaining. If we were in Tampa Bay, well maybe we’d have cause to complain, but I really don’t understand you people.

  5. phil says:

    Steal? Steal what? What are you talking about? Are you somehow upset that the Glazers are profiting from the ownership of a valuable sports franchise? Do you think if the Glazers sell there will somehow be no debt? Is that it? I’m just wondering what some other owner’s group will use to buy the club?

    Though, I’d have to say that a strategy that attacks a club’s revenue streams so as to decrease the value of the club and affect its profitability is pretty brilliant.

    If your a City fan. See you in the Championship.

  6. Philip says:

    Phil, they are stripping the club of its revenue for purposes of self interest, something that is now illegal in the UK. They offered Uniteds resources to the bank as collateral even though they weren’t theirs to offer. I can understood people not finding fault in it who watch the EPL in their own homes and who have no real emotional attachment to the club. I grew with it as part of my life, i love the club and attend matches, what the Glazers have done is a disgrace to football.

    Of course we wont swap one leveraged buy out for another. Do you think you’re the first person to think of these things? There are highly dedicated professionals working on this day in and day out.

    • BBC says:

      Is there ever a way to take a management fee without it being illegal? (I’m really asking – not being a prick) I don’t get it – how many trophies do they need to win and how much do the offers have to be that they turn down before they’re considered successful owners and Company managers?

  7. phil says:

    You’re right I have no emotional attachment to the club, I’m not even a fan of Manchester, but that doesn’t mean anything. You seem to find it passing strange for somebody to borrow a bunch of money to buy an asset in the hopes of capturing the profits that asset generates. And apparentely, you think its strange that as collateral , you put up the very asset you are buying.

    If you own your house, well, then I’m pretty sure that exactly what you did-except your house isn’t generating any revenue, its just providing you with shelter. When somebody buys a company that is profitable with borrowed money and uses a portion of those profits to pay off the loan they used to buy the company, thats not stealing. That’s called investing. and don’t kid yourself: whoever buys the club from the Glazers will structure it as a debt transaction. That debt will not just disappear-it attaches to the club’s parent company, and even if the note is paid off, another one will be put in to replace it. The new prospective owners will want to get their money back and the only way they can get it is by securing their claims on the assets. I.e. collateral. I.e. the club. I.e. debt. Now, they could certainly pay it off more quickly than the Glazers are doing, but I don’t see any reason to think that they will.

  8. Jious says:

    No and they won’t sell unless they get a bid that is significantly more than what the media is saying.

    They want this team….and they won’t sell unless they are blown away with a bid.

  9. phil says:

    Team is currently valued at about 25% higher than what they paid for it, so anybody looking to buy the team is gonna make the Glazers’ wallets fatter.

  10. patrick says:

    it can all be summed up by the film Looking for Eric. A pub full of Man U supporters getting ready to watch a champions league match. One lone supporter wears the FC United kit, and starts to talk out against the ownership. He is booed and told to leave if he hates them so much… as he departs they shout as if a goal was just scored, and FC United fan comes running back in to see what happened. burn.

    I sorta get why they are ticked, but really if we hate the way say Microsoft is run can we force them to sell… which is actually more possible then forcing ownership change on a Private company.

    the only way for change to happen is as you say to stop buying anything Man U. and like that poor guy in the FC United kit, the love runs too deep. besides if everyone in Manchester stopped going to games, there are plenty in Essex to fill those seats. or corporate bought seats. etc.

    guess they have to wait to 2017 then.

  11. Bishopville Red. says:

    (A) It would take a greater combined effort to put the Glazers in “should sell” mode than it would to organize the purchase.

    (B) Protests hurt the club immediately, not the Glazers until later, if at all.

    (C) You need a new owner who is willing to open his own wallet if need be to make things happen. When you get into the stratosphere of Manchester United, the individuals who can afford to buy the team and personally invest afterwards are pretty rare. I don’t doubt that someone out there would be interested in buying the club, but so far they remain lurking in the reeds.

    (D) the Red Knights don’t sound like they have anything close to the the money to sustain the club, let alone purchase it. Their plan sounds a hell of a lot like a pyramid scheme.

    (E) As much as people pine for it, I’m not sure if the old PLC model would have kept the club in the upper tiers of financial clout in this new era of billionaire benefactors.

    Getting rid of the Glazers is only half the battle. Defeating the Glazers is akin to jumping out of the fire, but nobody knows what you’re landing in.

  12. JorgeCurioso says:

    The “supporter groups” and “knights” are dupes and scammers. United are enjoying unprecedented success under the Glazers, both on the pitch and off it.

    I bet Portsmouth wish they had such bad ownership…

  13. Is it just me or have Man U been winning pretty much everything for the past few seasons?

    Thats what I thought. STFU already, you’re starting to sound like Liverpool supporters.

  14. Loyal Red says:

    Everyone automatically thinks, the red knights take control and everything is quickly better, what a load of rubbish, they will be no better than the Glazers, they will have to incur debt, its the way of modern business sadly.

    United fans don’t be mis lead by all this hype, open your eyes for god’s sake, you are being used in a game of chess, the players are big businessmen spurned on by old power struggles and ego’s that have been dented.

    They care no more about United than a scouser does, all they see is I own Man Utd and lots of big money and care nothing about the heart of the club.

    The Glazers will not run the club down, they are not that stupid, if they did then they lose too much credibility in their own world and banks would not give them anything after that.

    To all those people who are being manipulated in all this, wake up for god’s sake, support your club, make it stronger,give them the money to pay their way out of this, even if it takes time, it doesn’t matter who owns the club, they all will make big money, the real problem is not the owners name on the deeds but the debt itself, remove that and then no one will worry or will they?

    Some people will always want something to bitch about, Its their way.

  15. MancMalc says:

    Manchester United to the Glazers is nothing less than a bank. A bank that continues to gather in money and then lets the Glazers TAKE money from it at ridiculously low rates of interest that a man in the street would love to receive from his high street bank!
    The Glazers are nothing less than money scavengers. They cannot get away with this sort of thing in the USA and saw in MU the opportunity to make easy money without doing a damn thing!
    United needs to be returned to the people who love it the most – THE FANS!
    When David Gill, who obviously has to say the right things to keep his job, comes out with the comment that a group of investors of 40, 50 or 60 strong (the Red Knights/MUST) cannot run a football club because they will all want a say in how it is run, is complete nonsense!
    It obviously fails his memory that before the Glazers, 30 investors owned MU and it did not affect the running of the club, did it? In fact they still won PL titles, the Champions League and Cups galore!
    The Glazers need to be removed and fast – how to do it is the biggest question.
    The writer says to not buy season tickets, not buy merchandise, not attend matches but this will not only affect the Glazers, more importantly it will affect the team too!
    There would be no finance for adding new players to the squad which even now is in need of replacements for the likes of Giggs, Scholes, Neville and very soon Ferdinand and Van Der Sar.
    The only answer is to offer the Glazers a sum of money which even they cannot refuse. This would be in the region of £1.5 to £2 Billion. A hell of a lot of money for a football club but think of the consequences of another 5 years or more of Glazer ownership. More debts, more bond offers, more money taken out of the club – it would go on and on!
    It is unthinkable but the club could even go out of business!
    Remember for every £1 given to the club, 75 p goes to pays off the debts. How much does this leave for players salaries, the buying of new players, ground improvements, new stands etc?
    The Glazers MUST GO but it will take more than not attending matches etc to convince these greedy people to leave our shores and take other sports clubs for fools!
    UP THE REDS AND DOWN THE GLAZERS!!!

  16. MancMalc says:

    To add to my previous letter before any of you write. Of that £1.5 to £2 Billion must be a condition that the outstanding debts be paid off in full as part of the sale otherwise the situation will remain exactly the same. The Glazers would otherwise make a fat profit but the debts would remain.
    Just not on, is it?

  17. Phil says:

    MancMalc,

    I don’t where your going to find a group of investors willing to put 2 billion that doesn’t involve alot of debt secured by the club’s assets. It’s just not going to happen. Not unless that group of investors is a large group of idiots.

    There seems to be very little to complain about. The team’s finances are in order, the team is making more than enough money to make debt payments and hand the Glazers some cash(which btw, is not stealing, but profit, which properly belongs to an owner), and to continue investing in players. And the team is winning. What, other than higher ticket prices(which is legitimate and I’d be upset about it too), do you have to complain about??!?!??!?!?!? It’s amazing!

    And boycotting the team, destroying its value so that it can’t get new players, just so that the Glazers sell to some other group at a distressed price? I think this is what we Americans would call the My Lai theory of sports team management-”we had to destroy Manchester United and turn it into a Championship team in order to save it!”

  18. xol says:

    We must make an example of the Glazers. Once they are forced out of Old Trafford, we need to then attack ALL their interests and not rest until they’re on benefits (welfare). The Green and Gold example must be followed in the U.S, with All those folks in Glazer trailer parks stopping rent payments. Then, all supporters of teams owned by the Glazers need to boycott games and merchandise. Any interests the Glazers have must be targeted. We need to show them that they messed with the wrong people. Money brings too much power in this world and it’s about time ordinary people fought back.

    • patrick says:

      yeah lets tar and feather them…. off with their heads.

      how many times have you won the league now???

      and how many since 2005?

      STFU

    • Jeff says:

      How far would you want rid the Glazers out of any existence? If you want tar & feather & decapitation of every member of the Glazer family, IT’S YOUR FUNERALS. BEING CRIMINAL WOULD NEVER SOLVE ANYTHING, YOU LOOK LIKE SOMEONE FROM, SADLY, LIVERPOOL FC.

  19. xol says:

    Philip, your post is spot on. I can only imagine the thumbs downs are from Glazer employees that seem to frequent forums that discuss this subject. They’re everywhere. They’re worried though.

  20. Why are you under the impression that United have only started to win things since the Glaziers took over? That club has been winning the title since the Premiership began. They did it being the richest club in the world (which they no longer are) and they did it debt free.
    That club could pay any amount of wages and buy any player it wanted. Not now, it looks like they haven’t got a pot to piss in and that’s with the 80 million pounds they got for Ronaldo

    • Oh and another thing, the Red Knights are meant to be a bunch of very rich united fans that are looking to buy the club as a non profit organisation. As such, all the profit would go back into the club to improve it.
      If something like that could be put in a contract, I’m sure the United fans would have that over the Glaziers any day of the week.

      • patrick says:

        well too bad the Irish picked the Americans back in 2004/2005

        its now a private company. they is NOTHING you can do but shit where you live.

  21. Phil says:

    Re: Three Lions

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAH. that’s the funniest thing i’ve read in the last week. “non-profit” hehe.

    • Well for people who were born in and have grown up in Manchester, maybe the passion they have for the club is more important than money. The people we are talking about are already millionares, why do they give a shit about making more.
      Why do people like the Glaziers feel the need to have a billion in the bank? is 700 million not enough? How much money can 2 people spend ffs.
      Just greed

      • patrick says:

        I don’t think it sits in banks. Its used as equity for other ventures, like shopping centers. They keep their companies private so really no one is really sure how much wealth the family has but its thought to be worth over 2.2 billion US. So the reality is that its not debt per say, its invested in supermarkets, oil reserves, and shopping centers all over the world.

        The world is flat get used to it. and really you are lucky to have an owner with such a diverse portfolio of holdings. It sort of makes you down market safe.

    • LP says:

      It’s not completely out of the question. The Green Bay Packers are a prime example of a “non profit” franchise in America.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Bay_Packers#Public_company

  22. phil says:

    So, to sum up, because you Mancunians hate the Glazers so much you have two plans:

    1) boycott the team, don’t buy tickets don’t buy merchandise, in brief cut off the revenue streams and destroy the team’s value so much that the Glazers will have to sell. Probably at a distressed price(but still indebted-unless the boycott is so effective as to drive the club into administration and wipe out the debts). Of course, by this time, the team will likely be in League 2. Hello Leeds!

    2) Find some group of wealthy investors to pay off the Glazers so that they make a profit of about 25-30% on their initial investment.

    There must be a God protecting you because Mother Nature doesn’t suffer these kinds of fools quietly.

  23. Gaz says:

    I think boycotting games is impossible. Even if you could get enough people to agree – there would be just as many willing to take their place.

    The only boycott that would probably work is a boycott of food, merchandise, programs, etc. Get someone to organize and distribute the idea that nobody should buy a kit, scarf, or beer that will fund the owners. You love the club and don’t want to miss the games – but you don’t need to buy the latest Rooney shirt. It may not seem like much but they would absolutely notice.

    Then again, aren’t they already doing that by buying green and yellow scarfs instead of the official red and black ones?

    The problem is, as stated above, that you will only hurt the club in the short-term.

  24. Philip says:

    I give up, i really do. You know, when the rest of the footballing world calls Americans clueless, after reading the comments here, i can no longer defend it.

    How have the Glazers made United successful? Where United not dominating English football for 15 years consecutively before they came and over 100 years intermittently? They havent invested a penny, they have taken out more than what Portsmouth owe. If i bought the yankees and we won the world series, do you think that would have anything to do with me? Especially when the only thing i had done is put them into incredible debt whilst paying myself dividends. Open you’re fucking eyes and dispell the myth that Americans don’t love anything but cash.

    Yeah i bought my house with a loan, my house is not there for the purpose of public entertainment, im not making money of it, im not charging people in to see it so i can pay for it and if i was, i raised the price 65% whilst destroying the home, dont you think people would get upset with good fucking reason? I refuse to believe that people are this fucking dumb.

    The value of any business is in its profit, if its not profitable, they’ll sell. That can happen very easily.

    Im signing off, utter fucking idiots. Yeah the Glazers brought man u all these trophies (how they fuck they did that i’ll never know, i think it was acheived with a manager and assets that where accrued long before they ever got there) they took a successful football club, jeopordised its future and done everything they said they wouldn’t.

    I know some of you have just started watching the game in the last few years but you’re going to kill any credibility you’re hoping to achieve if people who understand the game read this.

    Then a man cant learn what he thinks he already knows

  25. WayneBridgeSucks says:

    Geez, I am stateside and do not understand why folks are so mad at the Glazers.. If the team in winning what the hell are u all mad about? Who cares who is making what or what business practices are being used as long as the club wins? Isn’t it all about winning? Pardon if I may say so myself, but it seems like there are a bunch of entitled Reds fans mad at some Americans owning a club in a sport that receives little to no coverage in American mainstream sports media. Sounds like some folks are a wee bit jealous.

  26. Philip says:

    Jesus this guy Phil is a wind up, he has to be, i aplogise for getting upset, i should have known that no-one with a modicum of understanding on the Glazers would seriously post such jibberish. The diverse portfoli did it for me, First Allied who are a fucking mess, leveraged to the hilt with another BK on their hands today.

    Some of the comments on here just defy belief, they really do. I swear they are wind up, no-one could seriously stand behind the knob that says shut up already, what are you 6?

    You seem to think that all United fans care about is winning the BPL as you call it, i’ll fucking take 3rd division football if it means they fuck off. You see, i know most of you only care if a team is winning. Leeds are still getting the same attendances as they where in the premiership. I dont care if we cant buy players if it means the Glazers go, we have to borrow the money to buy them now for christ sake.

    Here is a blog written by a financial expert who was on cnn today. Read it, educate yourself then please try to understand why we care.
    http://www.andersred.blogspot.com/

  27. Philip says:

    Gaz, hurting the club in the short term is exactly the aim, and giving that the Glazers haven’t contributed a thing to our current success but have severly jepordised our future, can you at least try to understand that we want a club to pass on to our kids?

    Hey by the same token, why give a shit about the environment, i mean lifes great now, who cares that our grandkids will be living in a hostile unhospitable world, lifes fucking great now! The governemt are completely responsible for our wonderful environment…..wait

    • Gaz says:

      Calm down, mate. I agree they suck. :)

      I’m just saying it’s hard to hurt them where it hurts when you love the club and still want the tickets, shirts, etc.

  28. Philip says:

    last cooment was aimed at waynebridgesucks

  29. Philip says:

    You know its funny how Americans always percieve anti americanism when abuse is handed out. Is it racist against Poland when janakowski misses a kick and you boo? Is it racist against Spain if you boo Gasol? Are united fans being anti english when they abuse david gill? Nationality has nothing to do with this at all. Its a ridiculous attempt at discrediting the campaign and i think if you asked most fans outside of the US, they’d quite happily accept non mainstream coverage in the US, why would they care? What exactly has football got to be jealous off?

  30. WayneBridgeSucks says:

    Phil? Really? I don’t understand what the big deal is and why Man Utd fans are acting like wankers. People weren’t happy when the Glazers took over and still aren’t, what else is new? Enjoy some good American owners with deep pockets. All this gloom and doom stuff about the club fading away because of financial ruin is just bull-ish. Man Utd is a global brand. Its not going anywhere..

  31. WayneBridgeSucks says:

    Ahhh.. Now I get it.. People think that the Glazers are going to go bankrupt and are using the club to stay afloat and support their lavish lifestyles. Hmm.. Interesting point. But the thing is, the club is still winning and if they are forced to sell there will be other buyers. It looks like Man U fans want other buyers.

  32. phil says:

    WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU PHILIP?

    The future of Manchester United is fine. They don’t have to borrow money to buy players. They make more than enough money to pay off the loan over time, even in difficult economic circumstances. The club is worth more now than when the Glazers bought it. And they keep winning. You haven’t actually identified one real grievance other than ticket prices, but I don’t think you’ve even done that. Perhaps you should get over the Yanks owning your team. If something happens and this club doesn’t exist in 40 years it won’t be because of the Glazers.

    There’s nothing wrong with being upset over ticket prices going up, but what the hell? They’ll charge whatever they can somebody to pay for it. That’s normal. If you were a TB fan, you’d have a gripe, since they can’t be bothered to put out a decent team and the NFL is such that even the crap teams can make plenty of money.

    If you’re going to be a cheapskate, own it, don’t shame us both. Already Waynebridgesucks is mixing us up (or not).

  33. phil says:

    Omg, Arsenal is up 2-0 on Porto. All is lost! Fire Wenger!

  34. Philip says:

    Phil mate, heres the problem. You don’t know what you’re talking about and im still refusing to take you seriously. Do you know the titanic sunk? Do you know Reagan is dead? Do you know there is such a thing called public information that defeats every bit of your argument?

    You do know about 2 months ago the Glazers realeased a public document detailing their finances, how United are run and how they plan to pay for players? You do know thay they said they are allowed to borrow another 75m a season for players, who pays that back? Of course they dont care how much United spend, they arent paying the bill.

    Im done fella, its a waste of time. My greivances are ticket prices, the automatic cup scheme (you dont even know what that is, thank God for google eh), the stadium being sold, the training ground being sold, our best players being sold and not replaced, denegrating out shirt with AIG, allowing AIG to profit off the Munich disaster, cancelling signings then taking that money out of the club that was set aside (Ljajic), further aggressive ticket price increase, the abolishment of the loyalty pot, the abolishment of our under14′s,13′s,12′s teams that have been crucial to uniteds success. Given anyone from those teams will take at least 5 years to break through and become a sellable asset then its not hard to undestand why the Glazers dont care about long term development, all this just off the top of my head. Is that enough for now?

    I would feel this way no matter who bought the club with the level of debt they used. They do not have deep pockets, every investment in United is borrowed money that the club owes so basically what you’ve got is, a club who has all the liability whilst youve got owners who pay themselves the dividends. Do you know thats now illegal? Why if there is nothing wrong with it? Im assuming you where ok with AIG squandering poor peoples pentions, its business hey, you deserve it and these omnipotent owners can do whatever they please. Until it happens to you of course, damn cheapskate pensioners, shut up already.

    As far as a cheapskate goes, are you taking about me or the owners? The same people who fired a 20 year legend for buying a can of 87c spraypaint? Its fucking insulting and extremely condescending.

  35. Philip says:

    OMG Arsenal are 2-0 up on Porto. All is lost, fire Wenger!

    Or even better, Arsenals debt will be completely wiped uot because they won a football match.

    You know, i would never go an TB board and tell peole how it is knowing i’d fucking embarass myself since i lacked the very basic understanding of whats going on. You sir, clearly dont care about sounding like a clueless tit and for that i commend you

  36. phil says:

    Wow, some of those are legitimate grievances. It’s wonder that you spent so much fucking time going on about a subject you clearly don’t understand. I don’t know how AIG got in there, but whatever, all the way crazy is what I say!

  37. Philip says:

    ahh what?

  38. Hubie McDonough says:

    So let me see if I’ve got this right. There a bunch of “City financiers” who are each sitting on 25 million quid. They want to invest all this money they’ve got lying around out of the goodness of their hearts because they love the club so much all in return for a 1.25% or less ownership stake in the club. I’ve never once heard this will be run as a non-profit enterprise, so do the LUHG crowd really feel they will be better off under a Red-Knights regime? How many times are these guys going to keep asking the Glazers to sell after they are refused. Once? Twice? Every day til 2017? I also thnk it’s funny how the LUHG crowd say the are willing to give up their season tickets only they are afraid they won’t get them back if/when the club is ever sold. Yup, nothing like having it both ways.

  39. Jeff says:

    As a Jewish Man United fan I can’t help but think there’s an undercurrent of anti-semitism at work here: foreign Jewish owners deviously working to destroy something everyone loves for their own benefit. Tthe Glazers are not great owners, the debt is obviously huge, but they are not evil. They did what thousands of other people did before the recession, over-leverage, and it is foolhardy in hindsight. Not evil. But, it is not in their interest to destroy the club. For the Glazers to make money (and to pay off the 200 million quid they personally owe) the club has to make money and thus be successful. Ticket prices have also gone up because there’s a demand for them, not because of a nefarious plot to price out Mancunians.

    Also, Manchester United, even when it was a plc, is and was not run for the fan’s benefit. It’s a business. That’s why we keep winning trophies and why Wayne Rooney and Rio Ferdinand play at Old Trafford instead of Stamford Bridge or Eastlands. Anybody who thinks it should be otherwise lives in a socialist dream world. Barcelona and Real Madrid, supposedly model clubs, do, on paper, follow this model. However, these “clubs of the people” are actually headed by a president who has to put up ten percent of the club’s value in cash in order to be elected and are able to negotiate their own individual TV contracts. Manchester United could not never replicate that success so it has to ring out every cent in order to stay competitive and keep winning trophies.

    If the Red Knights scenario were to happen at United, as the LUHG seem to want, we can look forward to an exodus of talent and successive relegations. There’s no way millionaires will deposit lots of their money, as Martin Samuel put it, to simply see their names on a board. And this isn’t the plc all over again: the shares will not be concentrated in individual investors like they were back then with people like John Magnier and JP McManus. They’ll want money back and they’ll take it out of the club just like the Glazers did. Instead of three owners doing it, though, there will be forty.

    Basically, read Martin Samuel’s column.

  40. Jammer says:

    If I understand correclty, the debts matter because they risk forcing MU to sell players, and lose their winning ways. However, any successful boycott would accomplish exactly that. So what is the point?

    Raising money for a buyout is more realistic. If you can do it, go for it. Green Bay Packers is an excellent example of that.

    If you can’t accomplish it, then as a fan, all you can do is grit your teeth and bear a flawed ownership. And you won’t be alone. Half of all clubs have below average ownership. And none of their fans can do a damn thing about it. So stop worrying about it and enjoy the football.

  41. WayneBridgeSucks says:

    Whats funny is that I am from Tampa and a Tampa Bay Bucs fan. While this season was terrible, we all knew it was going to be. With that said, the Glazers took a notoriously awful team that was the laughing stock of the NFL and turned them into a Super Bowl winner in 2002. So what they had a rough 2009. They were in a transitional season with a new coach and a new defensive scheme and basically overhauled its roster. They also had no chance at this year because they didn’t have an experienced QB that was worth a damn. Why spend when everyone knew the team would suck and people were able to buy tickets out front for $5-$10? If anyone wants to beef at the Glazers, this is the year to do it because this season is uncapped…

    Enough about American Football.. onto English Football

    After doing some research and such, this topic still doesn’t make sense to me. There seems to be a lot of hostility towards the Glazers for some reason. There is all of this gloom and doom and this pass down to kids and Man U is going to have to be a seller to keep the club afloat.. Maybe I am naive, but there is no effin way this will happen. The fact is, is that Man Utd supporters never wanted the Glazers there from the beginning. I didn’t even know about English soccer when they took over and heard grumblings about the fans being upset with the Glazers. How many cups and championships have Man U won? A whole effin lot.. Until the championships and quality players stop coming in, shut it. The glazers came out and said that there is a lot of money left to spend on players from the Ronaldo transfer. If this doesn’t happen, then gripe. But all of this “its the end of the world” and man u is going to die is just plain BS. Go ahead and support the club or not if u want.. whatever floats ur boat. But when fans talk about hurting the club profits as a means for change, that is just plain delusional. After all. The goal is to win and produce good entertainment. Man U wins and does this. Get off the Glazers back.

  42. Philip says:

    this site has got to have the most clueless amalgamation of suppossed football fans ive ever seen in my life, anywhere. Maybe somewhere in that statement is anti semitism, because everything could possibly be anti semitic. I once farted 5 feet from a jew and the world stopped to determine if it was anti semitic or not. If you all hold the hands up and say, i know absolutely nothing about what im talking about then that would be fair. Every single post has completely missed the point bar a couple. Its like debating the health plan with a bunch of 8th graders. You’re not even worthy of discussion so low do you have to stoop to find your level.

  43. WayneBridgeSucks says:

    So now you have resorted to talking down to us and talking about farting. Classy move.. I didn’t even know the Glazers were Jews, thanks for that info. Anyway, how about you educate us on why you don’t like what the Glazers are doing, and give us some information our seemingly simple ignorant minds can digest. All you have said so far is that there is an aroma of debt that is emanating from the grounds of Old Trafford. Dumb it down for us since you think we are so dumb or tell me something else besides the club has a huge debt.

  44. WayneBridgeSucks says:

    Oh yeah.. Manchester United plays today.. Wonder what those tickets are selling for? Something tells me that the Glazers will be making a plenty penny on this ye ole match of football. Damn those greedy Jew Glazers.. Just sucks when they make a legitimate piece of coin.

    • phil says:

      I think his point is that if it weren’t for the Glazers, obviously the tix would be free. And Becks would have married Cheryl Cole instead of Posh, and would have come back to Manchester instead of LA. Instead of faking a seizure when getting kicked in the chest Drogba would have actually die of a heart attack on the pitch. Also, a pony, for him and his mates…

  45. phil says:

    Wee, we’re back!

  46. Philip says:

    Waynebridesucks, can you read? Ive laid it out halfway up the page. I will assume that reading is difficult since my information comes from a public document released to the city by the Glazers where as yours comes from outer space. How in the fuck could Jeff say that there is a current of anti-semitism? On what grounds? In 29 years of going to OT ive never once heard an anti-semitic remark, ever. Are United fans anti irish if they disliked mcmanus and magnier ( i know you dont know who they are, google quickly) for dragging the club through the mud? Are they anti-english for hating David Gill and singing “you can shove your fucking England up your arse”? Does he run around all day looking for anti-semitism? Tell you what to do, go read the bond prospectus, if you need help with the big words let me know, then you come back and tell me just exactly why i should do anything other than fucking hate these despicable rats.

    In fact, i refuse to comment any further until someone can raise their argument to semi intelligent. If i posted this blog on any football site outside of the US they wouldn’t believe its real. They wouldnt believe that people this dumb don’t know they don’t know.

    As for this guy Phil, im no longer responding to him. I wouldnt argue with my 3 year old knowing his mental limitations so i dont see why i should make an exception here

  47. phil says:

    How disappointing this must all be for you, Philip. The Glazers have scored and are up 4-2 on aggregate. They might make it through!

  48. WayneBridgeSucks says:

    Ok.. Well for one, I have a bachelors degree in business, so I’m not a complete dumbass. I have a little bit more education than a grade schooler or 3 year old. All I am asking is that you spell this out in laymans terms that Americans can understand. I obviously don’t get your argument and don’t keep responding for the sake of conversation. So far you have attacked people that rebut your points. Spell it out clearly and rationally.. Tis All I Ask.. When you spell it out maybe this can turn into an informative conversation instead of a farting contest.

  49. Philip says:

    It took me 4 seconds to find this by scrolling upwards waynebridgesucks and no-one has given a rebuttal on any of these points.

    Phil mate, heres the problem. You don’t know what you’re talking about and im still refusing to take you seriously. Do you know the titanic sunk? Do you know Reagan is dead? Do you know there is such a thing called public information that defeats every bit of your argument?

    You do know about 2 months ago the Glazers realeased a public document detailing their finances, how United are run and how they plan to pay for players? You do know thay they said they are allowed to borrow another 75m a season for players, who pays that back? Of course they dont care how much United spend, they arent paying the bill.

    Im done fella, its a waste of time. My greivances are ticket prices, the automatic cup scheme (you dont even know what that is, thank God for google eh), the stadium being sold, the training ground being sold, our best players being sold and not replaced, denegrating out shirt with AIG, allowing AIG to profit off the Munich disaster, cancelling signings then taking that money out of the club that was set aside (Ljajic), further aggressive ticket price increase, the abolishment of the loyalty pot, the abolishment of our under14’s,13’s,12’s teams that have been crucial to uniteds success. Given anyone from those teams will take at least 5 years to break through and become a sellable asset then its not hard to undestand why the Glazers dont care about long term development, all this just off the top of my head. Is that enough for now?

    I would feel this way no matter who bought the club with the level of debt they used. They do not have deep pockets, every investment in United is borrowed money that the club owes so basically what you’ve got is, a club who has all the liability whilst youve got owners who pay themselves the dividends. Do you know thats now illegal? Why if there is nothing wrong with it? Im assuming you where ok with AIG squandering poor peoples pentions, its business hey, you deserve it and these omnipotent owners can do whatever they please. Until it happens to you of course, damn cheapskate pensioners, shut up already.

    As far as a cheapskate goes, are you taking about me or the owners? The same people who fired a 20 year legend for buying a can of 87c spraypaint? Its fucking insulting and extremely condescending.

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  50. phil says:

    No teams for the tykes and, umm AIG denegrating the shirt? But the worst disaster is the Glazers won 4-0. Horrors. but Becks wore the Green and Gold so its all good.

  51. The Gaffer says:

    This thread is now closed due to anti-semitic comments.

    Cheers,
    The Gaffer