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5 Reasons Why PES 2012 Is Better Than FIFA 12

FIfa 12 vs Pes 2012 5 Reasons Why PES 2012 Is Better Than FIFA 12

For the past seven days, I’ve played both FIFA 12 and PES 2012. It’s been years since I’ve had an opportunity to play the games on a powerful video game console. For the past few years, I’ve played FIFA on the Nintendo Wii (which was fun, but not a complete experience). So now that I have a Xbox 360, I was able to immerse myself in the games and play them without a bias or a loyalty to one more than another.

Let me state that I enjoyed playing both FIFA 12 and PES 2012. But now that I’ve had a chance to test FIFA 12 and PES 2012 to their limits, the conclusion I’ve reached is that PES 2012 is far better.

Not that there’s anything wrong with FIFA 12. It’s just that PES 2012 is so much better. Here are my five reasons:

  1. PES 2012 graphics are far superior. The graphics in FIFA 12 look like a computer game, while PES 2012 looks very close to watching a game on television. As a perfect example, my wife walked in to our living room the other day and didn’t notice I had a controller in my hands. She looked at the TV screen and thought I was watching a real match. I was playing PES 2012.
  2. PES’s gameplay is better. Playing PES 2012 feels more intuitive. It seems easier to pass the ball between your teammates, and it’s easier to get past defenders. As a result, there’s less frustration with PES 2012 compared to playing FIFA 12. Bottom line: PES 2012 is more fun to play than FIFA 12.
  3. The level of detail in PES is incredible. The amount of detail that Konami put into this game is incredible. The player’s faces really look like the footballers. The players on the field look and act a lot more like the real footballers. In comparison, the players on FIFA 12 (for the most part) seem more generic. Yes, they look like the real stars, but the level of detail isn’t as refined. A perfect example is Robbie Keane of LA Galaxy. On FIFA 12, he’s svelte, lightning fast and does his trademark cartwheels with ease. If you’ve seen him score for the Galaxy recently, you’ll know the difference.
  4. I love PES 2012′s in-game communication. It may seem like a small and insignificant feature, but I love how you can trade messages with your opponent after key moments in games such as great saves or goals. By pressing a couple of buttons on your controller, you can congratulate your opponent on a nice shot — which is displayed on-screen for both of you to see. It’s especially helpful when you’re playing someone online. It helps you connect to your opponent, whether they’re a stranger or friend.
  5. FIFA 12 is too much hype and marketing. FIFA 12 by EA Sports looks like a hot date. A one-night stand who is beautiful on the outside, wears all of the right clothes and has that knowing look. PES 2012 is that partner who is beautiful on the inside, and it’s someone you can develop a long-term relationship with. Compared side by side, I truly believe that PES 2012 is light years better than FIFA 12.

PES 2012 is by no means perfect. The biggest complaint is the licensing agreements, but there are patches available that can quickly resolve the issue. The second biggest grumble is the quality of commentating. Martin Tyler and Alan Smith are significantly better than Jon Champion and Jim Beglin. The co-commentator Beglin is difficult to hear and understand at times. It sounds like he’s mumbling.

But those issues aside, PES 2012 is highly recommended. So too is FIFA 12. But I have to give PES 2012 the edge. It’s far more enjoyable.

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281 Responses to 5 Reasons Why PES 2012 Is Better Than FIFA 12

  1. Hack says:

    Gaffer-

    How do these compare to Football Manager?

    Hack

    • The Gaffer says:

      No comparison. I haven’t had a chance to play the Football Manager 2012 Demo yet, but they’re completely different.

      Cheers,
      The Gaffer

        • Rory says:

          Yeah, PES is soooo realistic. Kids can live out their biggest fantasy of leading Manchester Red against Manchester Blue, or North East London versus Merseyside Red.

          • predrag says:

            PES 2006>> FIFA2006

            PES 2009>FIFA2009

            PES2012>>FIFA2010

            PES 2012 =FIFA 2012

          • predrag says:

            Sorry, correction…

            PES2010(not PES 2012)>> FIFA2010

          • raph says:

            hahahahhahahahhahahhahahhah so true

          • luls says:

            I do believe its Man Red, and Man Blue. :P

          • bob says:

            ha i just download the new patches…
            or go online and find SWEET ones.

            something a FIFA chooser wouldn’t even know about.

            its like apple vs android.

            apple is for dumber lazier ppl who do not want a crazy experience. u want things nice, simple, and done FOR you.

            BORING.

          • dan clarke says:

            actually man united are called manchester united not manchester red because they are licensed and you can also download option files and make every team licensed or change the teams yourself

      • Amir says:

        If PES is easier to pass and pass defenders, it won’t be challenging.

        • Sai krishna says:

          pes is challenging coz the ai is more smart in pes den fifa and it depends on d difficulty u play
          i hav both games and i think pes is more realistic and awsm compared to fifa
          after playing fifa for a month i became pro and played in world class online tornament and kept on winning points for madrid.

          dats boring after a few days …. den finsihed plating d manager moder for 2 months den stopped playing fifa 12
          and bought pes 12 and njoyed chmpions league and story mode

          final review
          pes is for those who play soccer games well
          fifa is for lucky worshipers and players get lucky at a lot of times and com gets u mad

          • Stallone says:

            I strongly agree with you man, pes is the real deal, the players look more real, their skills and celebration styles. just compare c.ronaldo, messi faces in pes with fifa, for pes they look more real. people alway complain that pes lack licenses but there is a lot of patches to fix that and for pes you can play almost all competition of football in the world like: african cup of nations, euro,american cup, asian cup and uefa cham league plu uefa euro. so for me i’ll say that pes it is a game for peoples who really like to feel the real thing and competition in fooball.

          • at what point are you going to learn its “then” not “den”? I hate myself for reading your whole post

  2. Realism says:

    I was once a hardcore PES head, but tbh PES sucks this generation. Gimmi the realism it once had, not this candy shop S..t it puts out year after year.

    • Stallone says:

      Dude, PES is the most interesting soccer game this times around, the graphics and you don’t play things like African cup of nation,Euro,Copa america cup and other continental cups in FIFA, only in PES.

      • jasper says:

        it’s funny that you say pes looks better coz it doesn’t -.-’
        also, fifa added soo much, and pes barelly added anything interresting…
        i rest my case

        • luls says:

          PES has diving
          i rest my case

        • stillapesfan says:

          I was a Fifa fan back to Fifa 99 days.. but after I tried WE4, than it has always been PES all the way until now.
          I always hear people saying that fifa has been the better game since Fifa 2010.

          I tried that game, and my first impression is : Wow, this game really copied PES dude. Downright to the basic mechanics of the game. Hardcore PES/WE players who has explored the notorious “Command List” and go back and forth between the training menu and master league will get this.

          It’s not that I’m accussing EA Sports for plagiarism or anything. I think it’s Konami’s fault for not effectively sell what they’ve actually got in store. So why did I brought this up? Because you said that Fifa added so much.

          So then I looked up the internet about what Fifa added last year. And what came up is like tactical defending where you can call other teammate to harass the opposition. That feature has always been in PES for years.
          And like this year, fifa will add tactical free kicks where players can add or reduce the number of players in the wall, players can control how the wall moves, etc. Well, that is also has been an old feature of PES.

          But that being said, Fifa also has improved so much with beyond the pitch features like online plays, licenses and innovative game modes. That is not a bad thing at all. But honestly, for me, hearing that Fifa is better than PES is like hearing teens saying that The Beatles copied Glee songs.

  3. Todd Parker says:

    5 reasons why you are delusional:)

  4. JayJay says:

    I’ll Take No advice from a Wii Gamer

  5. Eric says:

    Your points of 1, 3 and 5 are highly subjective/weak.

    A former roommate of mine thought I was watching a match on the television and made the same remark as your wife/gf, but I was playing FIFA.

    “It seems easier to pass the ball between teammates and easier to get past players/opponents”….WTF?! It’s suppose to be a little difficult. Dribbling past players and not passing in triangles or one-two’s, building up play, etc. is how it’s suppose to be done and when done right on any game is more satisfying. I destroy/compete very well against players online using Everton and mid-table EPL clubs against crap players using Barca, Chelsea and Real Madrid as I use width, make off the ball runs, etc.

    You fifth point doesn’t stand a chance when you see so many world-class/known players playing the game and it’s widely known they play the game with their teammates. You think people around the world wouldn’t play the same game their favorite players play? It’s called licensing/rights/images….it’s a powerful and influential thing that PES will NEVER win.

  6. chabbz says:

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA…….

    Is your computer sh*t? hahaha or as the earlier comment said, are you playing with a WII? lol

    Listen don’t listen to me… youtube PES 12 vs fifa 12, where you will see differences in stadiums, gameplay, and the graphics in detail. Now if you do not see a difference favouring fifa 12. You are blind and need to go specsavers. lol

    I’m not a hardcore fifa fan. I am a football fan, So I play PES cz of champions league, and FIFA for the leagues cz the gameplay and the interactiveness is far better than PES. If Fifa has lisence for champions league… PES is not even a competition.

    If you don’t agree you must be having a laugh hahahaha.

  7. Choritz says:

    None of those reasons made PES any better of a game. You just basically stated that the difficulty of FIFA was greater than PES and frustrated you more. The way they run in PES is unrealistic, as well as how easy it is to move past defenders.which is total crap. i have never ever lost a game on PES.

    And also, computer graphics are far superior to console graphics. That comment was a bit unjust. If you can’t take the heat, play PES.

    FIFA 12 is more realistic which is why its so much harder. i play the career mode on world class because i want to actually lose. wheres the fun in winning every match? Thats what makes it feel so good when you finally nab that game winning goal.

    if you want easy then go PES. If you want real, go FIFA.

    • Suman Shrestha says:

      PES is easy??.. o really?
      ya .. on top player it is too easy.. have you played on Superstar difficulty… it will frustrate you….
      try it.. :)

    • Suman Shrestha says:

      never ever lost a game in PES??
      o yeah??? played on Superstar difficulty… u’ll start losing matches.. i bet… and u’ll start worrying as well… :)

      • PAPA says:

        Yea i have played the superstar level. It is really buy it is not realistic. The things that the computer does never happens in a football world. computer makes your player look like ghost. It goes through everyone or It does the weirdest things ever. I want realistic challenge.

      • Musaiyab says:

        Frustrated at Superstar level!!!! LOL! I completed 5 seasons unbeaten at Superstar in ML continuously. The best I’ve.got in FIFA is 16 matches. I beat Real Madrid with Merseyside Blue(Everton) 6-0 in PES 201. You think FIFA is not better? Play it first.

    • mukdino says:

      I have played more PES than FIFA. Finally i thought Fifa was quite good so i bought the FIFA 12. Both have their positives and flaws. YES PES they have shown Barca and Real to be inhuman. Messi could dribble the entire opposition and score, so can Ronaldo. Fifa has not done this. yet i prefer PES though but not playing against Barca or Real. Infact with FIFA too everybody takes Real or Barca. I am a Roma and United man.

      • Mr. Italy says:

        Hey i agree with PES Lovers, i used to ALWAYS play Fifa i was a die hard fifa fan but one day i started playing PES and it was amazing it has way better game play! and its more challenging where in FIFA you can shoot from anywhere and score which is FIFA is for beginners, if you want a challenge in an actual soccer game PES is they way to go. and……..”i rest my case”!

        And go ahead all you noobs and swear and everything about my comment i dont really care but you guys are all ignorent anyways think you know everything!!!

        and YES GO ROMA!!!!!

  8. bentley says:

    Light years better? Bollocks to that Gaff what are you on about? Long-term relationship? Better in-game communication?

    Buy a headset and you can just say what you’re thinking. You don’t have to even press any buttons.

    FIFA is a stronger, more well polished technical game which is why you probably get so frustrated by it. FIFA makes you lose matches. Because winning every match isn’t real.

    FIFA makes derbys harder to win. It makes Cup matches harder and the crowd is louder when you score a goal.

    PES is a kids game, Gaff. Go FIFA.

  9. rage says:

    i agree with some of these points, i play both …and PES AI is on another level from FIFAs poor ai .
    the gameplay in PES is simply better.. most of this is thanks to the AI.

    FIFA has the problem of being arcady at times, espeically online…
    FIFA also lacks depth for me… otherwise id be playing it all the time.

    Good try by EA to get unpredicitablity and individuality.. But its far behind PES in this category.
    FIFA strongest point is animations and tech.

    • jamesp says:

      So you say the AI of FIFA is poor, and feels arcady. I can’t help thinking about a review that said just the same, but about PES. Ok, pes has the UEFA Champions League, but without that, it wouldn’t have sold half as good.

      And answer me this, if PES is so much better, why didn’t it win the Best Sports game award in stead of FIFA 12?

      • Albi2010 says:

        I’ll tell you why because EA has the biggest marketing budget and hype going. Many of those so called impartial reviews are from sites sponsored by EA.

        I am continually amazed by this belief that FIFA is a superior game when it is riddled with bugs, formulaic gameplay and poor graphics. Yes just take a look at player likenesses for a start.

        EA have been consistently poor in their sport simulations. 2k used to thump them at NFL until they bought out all the licenses for instance. PES has it’s faults but all in all it is a superior simulation of the game of association football than FIFA.

        And PES continues to outsell FIFA in Latin America, Africa and Asia and parts of Europe.

        • George says:

          “And PES continues to outsell FIFA in Latin America, Africa”

          Where and when? In that places most of the peolple never buy original games, just download it, or buy it at $2 or $3 dollars! Also not many people has a good internet connection and can’t play online.

          Just play and enjoy the game you want!

          And FIFA is better! you just can’t play it!

  10. Fredro says:

    @Eric

    thats very very wrong… infact bullsh*t. Ronaldo plays PES alot , with teamates . also cesc Fabregas;s favourite game is PES and hes not even on the cover.

    theres videos on youtube, of man city player and man utds ferdinand [i think] playing against each other on PES 11.

    in fact PES on the PS2 was the official game of many teams, PES has a big reputation in europe, maybe not the UK.

    but go around europe and PES shines much more.

    • Mark says:

      Just because you see them play it dosnt mean they prefer it to the other one. Fifa has so much more depth than PES. So many different modes. Ultimate team, Be A Pro, Career etc.. I love fifa as there is much more to do. I don’t really like the gameplay of PES. It just reminds me of a PS2 game. FIFA is the better game but both have there own faults.

    • My fav comment ever, claiming to konw that ronaldo plays pes with is mates haha I love it, maybe not for the same reasons you do.

  11. CaptainRon19 says:

    5 reasons why I feel bad for the gaffer…

  12. Bruno Gonz Jones says:

    I have no comment on the quality of PES vs. FIFA, but I did notice a PES 12 ad on the epltalk site yesterday. So, I would like a comment from The Gaffer about the independence of his review. Superficially, there is a huge potential for conflict of interest in this type of review.

    Gaffer?

  13. yfran says:

    If you are a casual gamer who doesn’t really care about the challenge of footy games, then PES is for you. You just proved it in this article. The game is for arcade players. My friend is a semi-pro hockey player – knows nothing about footy, and says that he has more fun playing PES because Messi ‘dangles’ everyone. Any game that has MESSI doing the MOONWALK is a joke in all honesty.

    FIFA is much better, unless you like fake footy.

  14. Que says:

    FiFa has been the best+Still the best. All your points were pointless. I guess u are better in platying PES and get whipped on FIFA. #DoSomeMoreTutorial

  15. Daniel says:

    People seem to very much favor FIFA… but I agree with the Gaffer — PES is better this year.

    I got both games (PC) and expected FIFA to the game I’d play, I got PES as an afterthought. Let me also say that I play single player manager mode almost exclusively. I really like the news for FIFA but it seems at the expense of being able to quickly see the standings (those rotate by pretty quick) or any detail about upcoming games (other than a small icon of the teams badge).
    On the pitch (FIFA) it looks great, although the average player’s face looks computer generated while PES looks mapped from a real photo (which I prefer). The problem I had with FIFA is that the input feels delayed or lagging at times, as though you’re waiting for mini-animations to finish. I realize you have to wait for the players stride to kick the ball, which PES does to, but I always feel a little disconnected with FIFA. In PES I can forget about what I’m doing and really get into the game.

    PES also has a superior search system for finding players (although I don’t like how they’ve broken up the stats).

    As you said, the licenses can be quickly downloaded and so become a non-issue.

    The two points, for me, where FIFA is obviously superior are the transfer day deadline (where PES doesn’t even stop on the final day to give one last chance), FIFA effectively gives you nine more turns — which I very much appreciate.
    Second, there is depth the the FIFA leagues (2nd div, 3rd div, etc.) while PES is largely only the top division — I don’t even think you can get a patch to fix that, although I would gladly sacrifice 3 or 4 of the smaller leagues to get the lower divisions of the EPL. Anyone know of a patch to do that?

    Last thought; while FIFA has nice news bits about players liking or disliking something, PES involves you every turn in player talks which seem to affect how the starting lineup for me.

    Overall PES seems much more immersive and the game I’ll be playing. If you love FIFA — it’s a great game — go play it, don’t bitch about others liking PES.

  16. jose says:

    The ea severs are poo =( I have a good conection, but ea logs me out all the time, i know i’m not the only one having problems with this as well.

  17. FOOTBALL KING says:

    I use to be a die hard PES fan but I’m sorry this review is so wrong. FIFA has evolved over the years where PES hasnt really gone anywhere. No real advancement even the ball doesnt feel or look like its rolling, Its more like its gliding!!
    Quote:
    “I truly believe that PES 2012 is light years better than FIFA 12″

    Wtf are you on?!
    The physics in Fifa is more advanced and the players are more intelligent making the game harder and more life like. PES isnt life like and its physics engine is worse than the old game like Pes 2009 for instance which I thought was better than Fifa at the time but after this Fifa just became the game to have.

    • --------- says:

      i would agree but after playing pes 12 i have changed my mind pes is remarkably better this year

      and i guarantee if pes had all the licensing agreements and fifa didn’t then most of you would play pes.

  18. raaz says:

    all who r saying fifa 12 better are seroius dumballls…r u blind or lame jackasses…fifa is only a game ..but pes is a realistic modification of game u idiotz..!!!

  19. JC says:

    I’ll actually say I agree with all your points individually (except #4 – use a headset), but still say FIFA is the better game. Licensing makes a HUGE difference and unless I’m missing something, there is no way to download the licensing onto the Xbox. That’s a PC thing. Plus, as Daniel points out, there are no lower leagues in PES. FIFA has them beat by a mile and the rest of the stuff is either on par (graphics are close, maybe an edge to PES) or “close enough” that the licensing and career modes push FIFA into the lead.

    Best “small” FIFA feature? Adding all the chants into the game. I spent half a day getting some chants onto CD, for the sole purpose of importing them into my 360 and adding them to FIFA. Check out http://fanchants.co.uk/football-league/premiership/ – it makes such a difference.

    Cheers

    • Josh says:

      JC, if you’re on xBox, use Damian Daymos’s OF (there’s a million and one OFs for PS3 and xBox, as well as PC), his is awesome. I use the PS3 equivalent to it. You can get it here:

      http://forums.onlyproevolutions.com/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=440

      Have always played Pro Evo but my housemates have all always had FIFA so I play that with them, just as much. It’s not great.. it’s a step backwards from last years, definitely. And the Impact Engine is atrocious, makes for the most ridiculous games of football I’ve ever seen. On top of that, the responsiveness of the players is soo laggy; feels like they’re playing in jelly all the time. The majority of the team ratings are nonsense (Fulham, 4.5*?… France?… etc.) and to top it all off the skill element of FIFA makes the game even more unrealistic; it’s mental. I play a match against my housemates, who play it a lot more and know all the skills etc. and they can skin pretty much my whole team with any of their players; flip-flaps, rainbow flicks, marseille turns at the push of a button – they’re all part of so many things that ruin what could be a pretty damn realistic football game. Oh, another thing – the crowd! Take a penalty and look at the crowd… what on Earth happened there? Did EA just give up on adding detail? They’re too lazy because of their massive sales and what FIFA fans get is another, rebranded version of last year’s game with another gimmick thrown in (Off the ball, first touch, skill stick, impact engine, Pokémon cards).

      Sure, Pro Evo isn’t perfect either, I agree with the ball animations thing that someone ^mentioned^, in that sometimes it doesn’t roll, it looks like it’s gliding. That does take some shine off Pro Evo, but in the bigger picture, it doesn’t affect anything but aesthetics – the game still plays like real life, regardless. Another downer for Pro Evo is obviously the commentary, which is shocking, there’s no defending that, but that seems to be all part of the Pro Evo package… At least John Champion doesn’t shout things out at random times anymore, it’s more just a case of him saying daft things all the time now.

      Something that PES has got that can’t be compared, however, is the AI. It is bang on this year. It’s a bit daft to say ‘It definitely looks like the real thing ’cause my girlfriend thought it was’, without being sexist… come on… But with AI in Pro Evo, it’ll fool some guys too (assuming it’s on mute..). Have a go, put a com vs com game on Pro Evo and on FIFA and just watch the difference – there’s no comparison on that one.

      Anyway… That post turned out to be longer than I’d anticipated! :)

  20. Arindam says:

    Your first point is only valid……… otherwise FIFA 12 is AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!

  21. nowimfifalesspes says:

    i amazed with pes2012 new gameplay feature(especially off the ball control coz it make more scoring chances !)…
    i played pes2011 alot , the pace is lot more peacefull(where i still have time to set up some strategy and attacking level some time…) but when 2012 it was too fast for all thing but gladly they introducing presets on select+b!
    and passing assistant(i dont really like it…i still prefer 2011 passing system where i can make the through ball alot more succesfull)…

    so then i play fifa12(demo..) seem funny , luv it but …pes12 do alot more better on gameplay..so i just wondering “what if fifa12 engine is brought into pes12…” sure is great…some one?

    • ram the gamer says:

      im a die hard PES fan since PES 3,i agree with u totally, PES 2011 was better than 2012, slower paced, you can build up play with precision, pes 2012 is too fast, unrealistic at times, plus super human CR7 and messi, it’s frustrating, and its hard to get used to the off the ball passing feature, it’s the first time i don’t play PES regularly, on the other hand i would like to mention about in FIFA, is the player control, dribbling is really cool in fifa 12, u have more time on the ball when u are close to penalty area, that’s all, all other thing are PES.

    • Stallone says:

      You can change the speed and adjust it the way you want it, either in the game or or in the kitserver in the game directory.

    • Stallone says:

      You can change the speed and adjust it the way you want it, either in the game or or in the kitserver in the game directory. but i agree with you that pes is the game.

  22. rafi says:

    u kidding me!! PES2012 graphic is far better than FIFA12…??!! rather it’s far worse…it was better before FIFA09…now PES is a complete bullsh*t….it has nothing better than fifa…u shouldn’t even try 2 compare

  23. Dwayne says:

    lol You bought PES

  24. The man says:

    FIFA 12 is amazing and your needs glasses if she thought pes was a game on tv

  25. AIR says:

    This deserves a rewrite.
    Seven Reasons which PES 2012 does better than FIFA 12.

    1. Unpredictability, no game ever plays the same. What all games should aim to be so that it wont have a shelf life.

    2. Diversity and Individuality, it is possible to efficiently play any style of play. Tweaking tactics and formations create a major change in how the team plays. It is possible to attack and score in many different ways. Long balls for the first time in ANY football game can be efficiently used whenever you have a tall striker as a target man. Individuality for players is much more pronounced. The difference between a good player and a bad one can be judged by feeling alone.

    3. Artificial Intelligence. The off the ball movement is head and shoulders above fifa’s one.

    4. Atmosphere. The off pitch movement, lighting, and graphics, intro scene before the match with the eufa champions league theme song. Graphics are a personal preference. I just dont like the cartoony graphics that FIFA 12 have.

    5. Much better edit mode. Love the community option files. Love making all the different kind of stadiums.

    6. Master League in PES 2012 is still better than Career mode in FIFA 12, particular due the the depth of the mode.

    7. I’m going to add a seventh for personal preference. The so called “tactical defending” in PES 2012 is much better implemented than FIFA 12.

    To balance things up,
    Five things why PES 2012 is worst than FIFA 12.

    1. Licenses. Enuff said.

    2. Animations. Its funny how the easiest thing to improve is not top priority in the next gen games for Konami. Animations not only makes the game look realistic, it adds depth to the game(all the different touches, passing and shooting manoevres can be put in).

    3. Manual shooting and crossing. Seriously, what? i mean this is pretty easy to code in Konami. Its practically similar to the passing and long balls in the box code. Yeah…. This means that in PES 2012 once your player reaches to the side of the penalty box, once you click the long cross button you have no control over the direction of the distance of the cross. Heck L2 manual modifier doesnt work either.

    4. Impact engine. Once you have played FIFA 12, the animations performed during collision means that PES 2012 instantly becomes outdated.

    5. Consistency within gameplay. Paticularly to the slight unpredictability in passing, and 1 on 1′s between defender and attacker.

    In my opinion though PES 2012 plays a better game, it is far less polished and finished compared to FIFA 12. I mean… Doesn’t Konami even test the game?

    There are just so many niggles. That being said, if you are a PC gamer, buy PES 2012. There’s one guy called jenkey who patches the gameplay that fixes all this annoying stuff in the gameplay.

  26. Paul says:

    I’m a PES fan, always have been, but this year I bought both, I sold Fifa after a week or so because I was a bit bored, it’s all very samey.

    PES isn’t amazing this year, it’s okay.
    What have they done to the dribbling system? It’s SO frustrating when trying to counter & your player is constantly stopping, changing direction & trying to keep the ball so close to their feet, it really stops the flow of the game.
    Completely ruins a fast flowing game.

  27. Marcelinho says:

    Dam,when you said you were not bias i actually believed you!!! Then i read your article and thought diffrent afterwards….

  28. abbie says:

    YOU ARE RIGHT !!! I never really liked FIFA and the main reason is that this game looks like a game while PES is nothing but a simulation…FIFA players look like dummies and PES players look real. In FIFA allllllllll players do amazing tricks with the ball which is stupid !! In PES you have to work hard to do rticks which is much mooooore real…If you want to play go for FIFA BUT if you want a REAL SIMULATION experience nothing but PES can give you that joy !!!

  29. Adam says:

    I find it funny how you state PES makes the players actually look like the real players which is complete and utter BS. Face to Face FIFA has so much more detail in players etc, Guess wii gamers dont appreciate a difficulty of a game and want a walkover?

  30. Josh says:

    JC, if you’re on xBox, use Damian Daymos’s OF (there’s a million and one OFs for PS3 and xBox, as well as PC), his is awesome. I use the PS3 equivalent to it. You can get it here:

    http://forums.onlyproevolutions.com/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=440

    Have always played Pro Evo but my housemates have all always had FIFA so I play that with them, just as much. It’s not great.. it’s a step backwards from last years, definitely. And the Impact Engine is atrocious, makes for the most ridiculous games of football I’ve ever seen. On top of that, the responsiveness of the players is soo laggy; feels like they’re playing in jelly all the time. The majority of the team ratings are nonsense (Fulham, 4.5*?… France?… etc.) and to top it all off the skill element of FIFA makes the game even more unrealistic; it’s mental. I play a match against my housemates, who play it a lot more and know all the skills etc. and they can skin pretty much my whole team with any of their players; flip-flaps, rainbow flicks, marseille turns at the push of a button – they’re all part of so many things that ruin what could be a pretty damn realistic football game. Oh, another thing – the crowd! Take a penalty and look at the crowd… what on Earth happened there? Did EA just give up on adding detail? They’re too lazy because of their massive sales and what FIFA fans get is another, rebranded version of last year’s game with another gimmick thrown in (Off the ball, first touch, skill stick, impact engine, Pokémon cards).

    Sure, Pro Evo isn’t perfect either, I agree with the ball animations thing that someone ^mentioned^, in that sometimes it doesn’t roll, it looks like it’s gliding. That does take some shine off Pro Evo, but in the bigger picture, it doesn’t affect anything but aesthetics – the game still plays like real life, regardless. Another downer for Pro Evo is obviously the commentary, which is shocking, there’s no defending that, but that seems to be all part of the Pro Evo package… At least John Champion doesn’t shout things out at random times anymore, it’s more just a case of him saying daft things all the time now.

    Something that PES has got that can’t be compared, however, is the AI. It is bang on this year. It’s a bit daft to say ‘It definitely looks like the real thing ’cause my girlfriend thought it was’, without being sexist… come on… But with AI in Pro Evo, it’ll fool some guys too (assuming it’s on mute..). Have a go, put a com vs com game on Pro Evo and on FIFA and just watch the difference – there’s no comparison on that one.

  31. karl anton says:

    I just think is a matter of rookies vs pros – to score in fifa is hard as hell… and everyone who tries to play a bit will say pes is better, cause they can start scoring in a few games.

    just that

    fifa needs more training to do all you need to be a good player… more like trial and error and try and overcome

    i take pes and ill be scoring twice on the first game i played – easy as hell

  32. Harry says:

    Gaffer…talk about stirring the pot. Graphically, there are some things that both get right and wrong. facial features FIFA gets a little bit better than PES, but as far as stadium and dynamic lighting, yeah, PES brings it in spades.

    What i would like to see in these games is dynamic lighting where if you are playing an evening game as it gets darker, the lighting changes to reflect that.

    Good couter argument to my article.

    I think we both have started something!

    (next up FIFA Manager vs Football Manager…it’s coming, I just know it.)

  33. Demonoid says:

    fifa suks…..i hv been playing pes since 2006…and hopefully…will b playing for ever,,,

    fifa has always ripped of the gameplay from pes..fifas current gameengine is same as pes 2006 game engine..
    however fifa just stands on top on sales bcoz…of the license…wr as pes is awesome…and stands on top bcoz it gives fans wht they want…

  34. AIR says:

    Oh yeah forgot to add some more comments on “Five things why PES 2012 is worst than FIFA 12.” at the number 5 section. Just dont like things unfinished and not spoken to avoid rants and arguments.

    5. Consistency within gameplay. Paticularly to the slight unpredictability in passing, and 1 on 1′s between defender and attacker. Goalkeepers are abit of a hit and miss, sometimes brilliant, sometimes just stupid. Lastly over reliance on the super cancel button or maybe bad coding especially during through passes and defending through passes.

  35. Venkat says:

    What you guys still playing EA FIFA?

    There is no comparision between both games. EA FIFA is just like a bullsh*t. just like playing a game in tundra region. Stop this non sense and be independant. I know u all EA Games Fans are slaves of england and that why you all are supporting to this bullsh*t game. Even you all know the truth PES is only game looks like a real football.

  36. monox says:

    reason no 5 it’s the perfect explaination to compare this 2 great football game…
    FIFA is more enjoyable to watch and PES is more enjoyable to play

  37. jimmyfishbean says:

    Let’s all face it:

    FIFA is an ARCADE game for GIRLS.

    PES is a SIMULATION for BOYS.

    You can stick the licences up your girl ar$es. PES is streets ahead in terms of realistic gameplay. Sure it has had issues in previous versions, but the new 2012 version is back to its best at last.

    I guarantee all those who still think FIFA 2012 is better than PES 2012, you can’t play football in real life… and just want the computer AI to do most of the work for you.

    • gaubaccucbithien says:

      U’re so stupid to say so. u’re a girl, an’t u? Fifa 12 is more realistic than every football games even fifa 11. So u know, u can be a good football player in a girl team. if u play in a real-man football team, they should punch into ur face because u’re useless player. In conclusion, I guarantee all those who still think Pes 2012 is better than FIFA 12, you can play football in a girl football team… and just want the teamates to do most of the work for you. LOL

  38. rajiv says:

    Well, I’m going to ignore the obviously retarded fifa fanboys (or maybe fangirls is a better word since they cetainly whine like girls when the superiority of PES is placed in front of them) ans state that on these current gen consoles it really comes down to a matter of preference. BOTH game have now reached a stage where they are both good. It’s no big deal arguing about which is better anymore because they are more or less equal. PES has now caught up to FIFA on this current gen console. But now let me say why in the battle between the games PES WON. PERIOD. ANYONE, can program a great looking/playing game with the kind of hardware now available. But PES made fantastic games with the limited hardware of the PS1 and PS2 when FIFA could only manage utter garbage. (fifa 99 anyone?) man the graphics on fifa 99 were trash. The entire graphics team should have been fired. By contrast the PES games were brilliant at the time. Anyone who doesnt agree, doesnt know football. That was where the real battle between these two games was fought. ANE PES BLEW FIFA AWAY.

  39. rahul says:

    I second you.. I used to play FIFA till 2010.. After that I moved to PES.. The gameplay is miles ahead in PES.. Looks like a simulation.. Specially for Be a Legend mode PES is miles ahead than fifa..

  40. Stevie E. says:

    I’m not a die hard Fifa fan. I was a die hard PES fan for 10 years ever since the first Pro Evo in 2001. more importantly I am a football fan and I like football games to be sims not arcade.

    This year Fifa 12 is a better Football-sim. It has it faults (but many of them can be tweaked using the sliders etc)

    Even when I was a die-hard PES fan I never made a claim that PES being better on graphics. Back in 2006/7 the animations in PES were better than Fifa. This year it is almost embarassing to watch the player movements in PES. That being said, It has nothing to do with the “fun-factor”.

    A friend of mine who played Fifa until 2007 is now a die hard PES fas. He is the kind of guy who constantly holds the spring button and hopes for the best. Needless to say he wasn’t exactly happy when I forced him to play a few games in Fifa 12. He constantly complained why he couldn’t just raze past defenders holding the sprint button and why could not just tap the pass/cross/shoot button to produce and score goals. I realized then how the tables have turned and that Fifa really has dethroned PES as a football-sim.

    When it comes to electing the most enjoyable football game I understand why people will become frustrated with Fifa. You have to work hard to win the ball and play defence, just like you have to work hard to keep the ball (so that you don’t have to work hard to win the ball again lol) I understand why PES 12 can be a more enjoyable game.

    PS! I’m still hoping Konami will turn the ship around and start producing the high quality football-sims they used to in the past. They proved by creating a masterpiece like PES 6 that they have it in them, they just need to reinvent themselves :)

    • jason says:

      Very honest feedback, i have to agree with you. I was a PES fan during the PS2 days. It is just sad that FIFA has overtaken PES as the closest to real football game. I am not a FIFA fan, but i love football so I have to pick the closest to real football.

  41. Stevie E. says:

    PS sorry for all the spelling errors in my previous post :)

  42. giggs says:

    pes ruled pes rules pes will always rule,i never knew real men play fifa.strange world.

  43. Ash says:

    Pes is better than fifa,fifa s unpredictability is stupid,agbohn lahor sometimes outpaces sergio ramos smthing thats imposible,fifa is not dificult it jst make ur players stupid and slugish so that it beats u.and those 45 and 90 min goals ar boring

  44. jamie says:

    I PREFER FIFA 12 TO PES 12 COZ PES 12 PLAYERS DONT LOOK AS REALISTIC AS FIFA’S PLAYERS

  45. Mihai says:

    i think i’m not going to buy any of the games since i don’t afford paying for both :D

  46. joker says:

    pes 12 defending is garbage this makes the game unplayable:-|

  47. malombo says:

    pes 12 is better than fifa 12 in anything

  48. Mark says:

    Pro evo is an utter joke of a game. I can’t believe they keep making this tatt. They’ve tried to make it realistic and failed miserably (again). It has lost its appealling arcade feel, so it is now neither here nor there. You can take about 30 shots without scoring once and with which only 2 will be on target (I’m talking about from within the box). Do you have any control over the keeper or not? Couldn’t work it out, neither could the game by the looks of it. The AI seems to be even more stupid than before and players with the ball can run faster than players without it. Defenders are once again headless chickens, and a passing system which is still fundamentally broken. They have papered over the cracks of 2011. Its a horrible game to look at and my advice would be to keep all Japanese developers away from Football games as they clearly have no clue about the sport and how it looks in reality..
    As for FIFA 12, its on the whole a much better game, but haven’t played it enough to give it a fair opinion. I love football but unfortunately Pro Evo 11 & 12 has assured me I won’t be going near these games ever again.

  49. yes says:

    To be honest, i was a fifa fan for years. i played PES a lot on the ps2 because it was very realistic. On the next-gen fifa have taken the crown of pes. However i must say they did a amazing job on PES 2012. I bought FIFA 12 first because i thought the game would rule. what i found out was that the game was almost similar to fifa 11. the same frustrating errors in it like players falling over the ball, so other players can’t get the ball. I saw people rated pes as a game for kids. well i must say fifa is more a game for kids these days. it’s so freaking easy to score a goal on it. do you feel the self accomplishment when you score a goal on it? on pes 2012 when i score a goal, i really celebrate. and for the people who say the game is boring because sometimes ou get matches where only 3 or 4 shots has been takin on target, well get over it, it’s called FOOTBALL. if you ever played football yourself you know this. als fifa has the same attacking setup every time. you play the ball to our striker, wait for the midfielder to overlap to give him a high through ball. or you play the ball to your wingers, run down the line, give a good cross and it’s a goal. on pes 2012 you have so much variations on how to attack. it’s also very unpredictable as you never know what the ai is going to do next. this is really the brilliance of pes 2012, the ai. as you look at fifa 12: ai controlled players walking the ball over the line. wingers dribbling to away from their defenders while they have to search for the 1 vs 1 situations.

    if your looking at the game modes, pes has so much to offer. football life is really brilliant. especially the become a legend mode. it gives you the thrill when you make your first goal. it really makes you happy when you finally get the transfer to a big club after 3 seasons or more. while in fifa after 1 season you can already play for fc barcelona for example what really isn’t realistic. i haven’t played the master league yet, but i guess it’s much the same as before. also the including of the champions league is something special. i get the chills everytime the theme is playing and the players start walking on the pitch.

    however fifa isn’t really a bad game. the skills are simply amazing. the combinations you can make are very logic and they link up quite well. PES can take a big example on this. also the license of fifa is a big difference, however you can download them for pes. for the graphics i prefer pes. i like the faces better and the expressions. another big led down on fifa is the collusion system. it s*cks big monkey balls.
    the saying fifa is more of a football game, i think is rubbish. on pes you can’t hold the run button cause you’ll get f*cked by the ai. on top player and super star level for sure! i played a lot of friendly matches and the ai will pass the shit out of you. on fifa most of the passes doesn’t make sense while on pes, there is a real tactical idea behind it. also the player runs off the ball and the ai offside trapping and other stuff works just like in real life on pes. on fifa there is always one stupid ai defender who mess it up.

    i have said enough. think what you like, but for me PES 2012 is the real football simulator. as for fifa 12? it’s fun to play, but i have seen this for to long, i have grown up, became a man, and want to play a real football sim. not some kind of fast arcade game. if you like fifa 12, than it’s up to you. i have made my statement and that’s pes 2012 for me.

    from a football lover, who plays football on a high level

    cheers!

  50. Paul says:

    Like every other article I’ve read on this site, it’s very biased toward what ‘The Gaffer’ thinks and that’s pretty much your lot. The articles don’t tend to be fair or balanced in any way, they’re just what he thinks but it’s delivered to you in a matter of fact way. Terrible writer in my opinion.

    Anyway, in MY opinion the latest FIFA – I don’t really like is as much as last years one but I still prefer it over PES. The FIFA graphics are WAY better as well so don’t know why you try and argue otherwise Gaffer. Maybe you have poor eyes or your HDMI cable is broke!?

  51. SiriusKoder says:

    Pes always rocks. Every Pes version had a complete season and a realistic season. As we used to see on television. But fifa just had a single league. FIFA suckssssssssss.

  52. aseem says:

    fifa is far better than pes coz its not only the detail which we play for.its also the real feeling which we gather during play and fifa has an upper hand in it.its been a while for pes in gaming world still we find the same name of clubs like london fc,north london etc.its getting boring now unless some real changes are gonna made.fofa on the other hand has variety.has a real play experience.goals will not come that easy.opponent also delivers goal and makes it much exciting.and in fifa 2012 the player expression has also improved.so hats off to the oldest fifa games production.

  53. adam says:

    PES is easier than any prostitute.

    Fifa is like the premier league, colourful, exciting, intuitive, dynamic.

    PES is like the blue square premier league. predictable, easy to score, commentators that are about as fun as ironing, sunderland are probably called wearside red and white, robotic movement.

    I just feel sorry for those who keep thinking Konami will ever be as good as FIFA if they keep repeating the same mistakes.

    PES used to be classic on PS2. It used to sh*t all over FIFA. But one day FIFA grew a set of amicably sized bollocks, and started from scratch much to the relief of millions.

    A lot of people who slate FIFA havent even played it. They are still stuck in their old stubborn ways from 2006 and refuse to try something different.

    Perhaps it is time you grew a pair of amicably sized balls and tried it for yourselves instead of leaving your tongues firmly up konami’s a**hole.

  54. adam says:

    All FIFA fans are delusional. period. Try for once listen from neutrals who have literally tried and tested both games. I can guarantee you more than 80% of them will favour pes. Of course it’s not perfect but it’s better than FIFA by a million mile in terms of the whole gameplay. Swallow your pride for once and open your eyes. One thing that fifa ticks me off is that the relatively unknown players all look the same! It turns me off. I couldnt recognize my players face. Fifa made rooney look like a gorilla. they cant even make their ambasaddor look a like while all players in pes is almost grapichally perfect

  55. Tom says:

    PES 11 and 12 have just been horrible games. I’m not really a fan of fifa either, I love football but both of these games are pretty weak in representation of the actual thing. Typically PES has just carried on making the same mistakes with stupid AI, ridiculous goals i.e your keeper automatically passing straight to opposition strikers to prevent the ball going out for a goal kick. When the ball falls behind the defenders confusion sets in and you have to defend the goal whilst struggling against your defenders who seem far to willing to get the ball into their own net by any means necessary. Still finding that it takes about 15-20 shots to get the ball into the net when it only ever takes the AI to score from 1 or 2 (commonly from AI defensive mistakes).
    There was a slight improvement in PES 12 where your players actually make attacking runs, unlike in 11. But the most amount of fun I had with this game was when we had 2 players vs the AI or vs 2 more people, because you can actually make runs and structure the game like it is supposed to be played.
    Other than that PES is just a game of glorified pinaball. The ball bounces around with a some amount of control until it ends up in the goal. Overall its another pretty feeble effort from Konami, I would never pay a penny for this trash, I feel for those who did.

  56. Yulius says:

    yes PES more than better… i live in indonesia, indonesian people most like Winning Eleven or PES, almost every month always competition on game PES, FIFA never popular in Indonesia… why PES or WE very popular? because PES gameplay very mostly fun… and more realistic!!

    • billy says:

      I’am from Indonesia.Fifa 12 is better than Pes 2012. Pes gameplay very not realistic. They don’t know about football games. Graphicccttt very far. Fifa 12 always better than Pes 2012! !!!!

  57. jaxo says:

    i enjoy playin both games but my preference, not prejudice, is pes only czz i lyk master lague more than career mode…reason…the graphics, the interface, the whole environment is far much better( i feel that fifa hasnt created the real premier league environment lyk the way pes hav done with cl). This war bout gameplay is better left to th developers to do their thing cozz at this level its incredible( 4 both games). As 4 me its the little things that start 2 matter.

  58. Maxmuscle says:

    In my personal opinion, Fifa 12 had done a great job with its graphics and player impact engine, BUT….I got bored of it within the first 2 weeks. It’s quite repetitive and gets boring. I’m not an expert player but it doesn’t grow on you. While with Pes 2012. U can be u in the master league (as the coach and guiding your team to victory). You can nature players from your youth team and it grows with u as u keep playing it. When i first bought PES 12. I was like WTF…cos obviously the graphics was no where near Fifa12, But as I kept playing it, it got better and better everytime. I mean its so realistic that when u start off with a team in Master league…you start off from a lower division and u work your way up. This concept makes u eager to play it everytime….IMO Pes12 edges Fifa12. 9/10 for PES12 and 8.5 for FIFA12.

    Cheers

  59. Shriv says:

    Firstly, it must be said that most people who take the mickey out of FIFA probably haven’t played a real competitive football match, or are in all likelihood casual gamers. I have played both games, and I must say, PES is too easy. No way in heck a player runs faster with the ball than without it. No way will you ever see a pro in real life charging into a tackle and leaving his team without its shape or someone backing his position. And you will definitely not see almost every single cross and almost every pass finding its intended recipient (in FIFA even back passes can go astray)…oh and yes, I was playing on Superstar difficulty..but when you’ve played FIFA on Legendary for years, no difficulty level on PES is going to stop you from scoring 3 or 4 goals a game. It’s too easy. It’s not a real football simulator, it’s an arcade game made to please the masses who don’t have the nerve to lose over and over again until they can finally grind out a nail-biting win on FIFA. That’s where the real magic lies.

    I will admit, back in 06 and 07, PES had the upper hand in terms of graphics and even today, PES has better lighting, but FIFA always has been, and always will be the better football simulator. Want proof? Look at the Official Premier League site, they use FIFA 12 now to simulate matches before hand, and its correct 95% of the time, albeit the scorelines may be different, but that speaks for FIFA’s brilliant coding and authentic feel. Konami have churned out pretty much what you would expect from people who are known for crazy gameshows and over the top anime.

    In short, if you want immediate gratification and you like seeing the net bulge, go for PES.
    If you have lots of time on your hands and are a keen football fan and maybe even a hardcore gamer, and you don’t mind investing a little sweat and tears into a truly liberating footballing experience, then play FIFA, but be warned, it is not for the faint-hearted.

    Peace.

  60. Mrbund says:

    I’ve not played PES for a few years, but my feeling is that both games lack the coherent and intuitive gameplay we really want. My best gaming experience with football simulators came on PS2 with PES AND FIFA…. yes, FIFA 2007 was very good for total gameplay control and implementation of tactics and the best experience for a chellenge was to play a good club, like Liverpool, Milan, or Madrid in the final stages of a cup competition (FA or CL) on the highest level of diffculty.

    People might say that the game was easier back in 2007, but regardless of what you think, I believe most players who can COMPARE THE GAMEPLAY CONTROLS, TACTICS, AND TIMING OF A.I. RUNS can agree that the PS2 FIFA gameplay controls were superior to the PS3. I don’t believe the the addition of realism in player movement and the introduction of error should make any football simulator feel so awkward, sluggish, and unreliable when trying to build up an attack through possession. The new generation of game has your teammates in the wrong place so often that it’s no surprise that so many idiots I see playing online spend more time dribbling than making nice, simple passes.

  61. SifuDOHC says:

    PES has always been better then FIFA!

    Kids and Women = FIFA

    Men = PES

  62. antreas says:

    antreas mou aρεσι αυτο το παιχνιδι πολι χαμιλοστετιμι

  63. Avizz says:

    Fifa 12 is any day better….PES 12 is a unrealistic crap with impossible graphics which makes it a kids game…
    Wanna play real go for Fifa 12…go for PES 12 if u r a kid..

  64. TheCat says:

    Fifa is for N00bs, eventually you’ll figure out an unstoppable tactic to score, as all fifa releases, PES different goal everytime , far more random, and the only difference between a fifa player sprinting and jogging is his facial expression… it’s a football game for United fans who’s never been to Old Trafford

  65. sou says:

    I used to play fifa and I had played fifa 7 last. After that I got PES , Since then I’m playing PES and in between I tried to play with
    fifa but the graphix does not satisfy me. I love Pes2012 because it is very realistic in style of palying and grafix.

  66. Hamza says:

    hello their ,,
    you cant found all the people like the same thing or it will be this life really disgusting , even in your hand you cant found any finger look like the other in the same hand or there will be a problem !

    but for all my life i was love pes game until 2012 , i didn’t found the pes 12 have things make you feel a life , but fifa 12 yes and this is what i feel ,

    and about the reality , well this is video game and i hate the game when i feel it real , i need to feel its a game , i believe that they should make the video game is realistic and very good graphic to anime not to the reality ,

    sorry for my bad English , and please accept my comment like a friend in this little big electronic city

    thanks.

  67. shokeywiked says:

    pes roles pes pes pes pe s.

  68. Slimk says:

    i think this guy is mistaken fifa is far better than PEs in terms of graphics game play and everything

  69. Heat says:

    Fifa is dogsh*t compared to PES, i converted this year jus to give fifa a chance but the game frustrates me even wen im beat all these clowns that say its better! The AI on fifa is the most mythical thing in the world, should be called ANI (artificial no intelligence), basically all fifa does is look good, disagree with any1 that says gameplay is better..like when the keeper deflects a ball and all 4 of your defenders run out the box to leave a lone striker a tap in, passing is DODGY and ther is no sense of urgency about the game, if you start losin, the team isnt interested anymore

    PES allday, F*ck fifa

  70. Hart says:

    playing PES like a felling atmosphere reality world class football, playing FIFA…just like a another game…

  71. John says:

    Although I wouldn’t take this article seriously since it’s only trying to push us to Amazon to buy the game and earn the commission.

    But after reading the whole article, the only thing stuck with me is that the author has a really dumb wife.

  72. Cambi says:

    Yes honestly I had been rating FIFA higher previously but PES 12 has cool features and has very realistic graphics. January transfer, desired clus and the way your players are presented to new clubs with press conferences is just cool. On the contrary, some aspects of FIFA 12 are still better such as the faces of the players

  73. Cambi says:

    Something sh*t about FIFA is the stupid transfer of teams in Legend mode and you are left hanging there struggling with your club. And they keep transferring which causes shortage of players and eventually I had to skip 10 matches/season because of shortage of players to play.They make teams very useless and good players keeps going to MCFC!

  74. Morris says:

    I used to be a Fifa fan i played it for 5 years, please don’t try say PES is easier when its much harder. In Fifa you can score from over 40 yards with players like Fletcher and not just once it keeps happening. Also in Fifa you can go through someones team just by doing a one two, even with defenders. I’m just saying if you Fifa fans give PES a chance is much better.

  75. JBN says:

    PES 2012 graphics are far superior: Lie. FIFA’s graphics are 100x’s better than PES.

    PES’s gameplay is better: Lie. FIFA blows it away.

    The level of detail in PES is incredible: Lie.

    I love PES 2012′s in-game communication: Who cares? As dumb as this blog is, who wants to talk to you in the first place?

    FIFA 12 is too much hype and marketing: That’s why FIFA has blown away PES in sales again you silly boob.

    The only thing PES has in this game is that fact you can create your own stadiums which I find out outstanding.

    Other than that, quit trying to brainwashing people you idiot. PES has nothing on FIFA.

  76. hello this is the american soccer player landon donovan i have played fifa it ruled then shortly after i was called up for a contract with fifa soccer 12 the next day my dear friend david brang pes he said and i quote this game sucks he gave the game back to the store

  77. Mots5 says:

    I think that neither Pes 2012 nor Fifa 12 is better then each other I mean Pes 2012 is better with graphics and Game play but sometimes it is too easy and Pes 2012 has some licensing issues.
    Fifa 12 is better in computer and tech and they make the game play more difficult for gamers who want to face a challenge.But Fifa 12 could improve on graphics and preset faces.

    So don’t fuss about which game is better both have strenghs and weaknesses if your not sure not sure just buy both:-)

  78. Suhas says:

    PPl who say FIFA 12 is more realistic thn PES 12 jus go n type “fifa 12 impact engine fails” in youtube…..ull know hw realistic fifa 12 is……

  79. Suhas says:

    U cant dribble like messi in fifa even if u use messi….bt in PES u can

    • Me says:

      Pes sucks because those overpowrd players u cant stop messi or ronaldo its f**king annoying and the forwards run in automaticaly when ur playing topclubs but when u play for example PSG it f**king wont it doenst make sense pes really suckss hardd .

  80. smoky says:

    fifa 12 is garbage, i just threw it away, i was in division 1 online after the first week, it is difficult but i overcame that. What frustrated me was when my team just didn’t show up, they would pass outside or make stupid runs, shoot off target even from 2 feet away. the defence would not cover properly or reactions were delayed ( and its not my internet connection i have very fast service) . It was as if i wasn’t even controlling them, didn’t matter if it was on manual, semi or assisted control settings. only after losing a lot of matches in a row (using different teams against different teams) and waiting a day would it go back to normal. i have played fifa games since world cup 98 or even before, cant remember too well. and never have i been more disappointed in ea and fifa. when fifa 12 worked it was great but when it did not, the game was simply unacceptable.

    forgot too mention freezing when opponents would quit or even finishing an online match.

  81. lpse says:

    fifa sucks !

  82. Nicpon says:

    In my opinion both games are great. I used to be a fan of fifa but now I have problem which of them I have to buy…

  83. YoungChris says:

    Whoever is saying FIFA 12 is better. Your wrong. I bought PES 12 on New years, AND IT’S SO AWESOME! Oh Nicpon if your stuck on which one to get. Get PES 12. It’s the greatest game this year! PES 2012 beat FIFA this year.

  84. totomilia21 says:

    fifa 12 is much better from all versions of pes

  85. nikydesa says:

    fifa 12 is much better

  86. raul says:

    I am hardcore fan of PES . I liked every bit of it and i also played FIFA every year, but for me its always PES who glue me to PS3 for hours. But i am very disgusted to say that this year FIFA 12 is just awesome and PES 2012 didn’t show any improvement. I hope next year PES will do some better things.

  87. rahul says:

    I am not a hie hard PES fan but I just loved the posession game in PES 2012. I am playing ML first season with FC BARCELONA in professional difficulty with players in the range of 45-73 points. am able to keep amazing 90% posession.(Although opponent teams are also poor in terms of quality)… This is something which was never required in FIFA or PES11 as you could dodge several defenders and go for glory with any player!!!. Ball control is amazing. Passes have pin point accuracy when used diligiently. Then all you need is to hold and keep pressing forward until u create an opening for a goal. Shot accuracy is hopeless though…(expected from a below par striker with 55 odd points ;))…

    AI is great every attack is new.. And the tactics have to change every time.. Communication is a feature I liked although it is irritating when one player rested for a match knocks at your doorstep demanding for an explanation :D

    The cut scenes during a new player joining and before every match bring a spice to the game.. In all a good game…

  88. Aneesh says:

    I do not agree the first point in pes 12 the players are swetting when even comming to the match are they always practicing .FIFA 12 is better because of the career mode.And dont enyone fifa haters rate this because who ever rate this and who is also fifa hater is an guy who is actually un hijo de puta que es la celebración de sus gemelos mono y el burro arre…

  89. alejandro says:

    I stoped reading when he wrote “LA Galaxy” LOL

  90. Krish says:

    PES miles better!

  91. Cobra says:

    I have a lot of friends who play PES but this year many of them ended up switching to FIFA. Those who didn’t admitted that FIFA is a far superior game this year but they are PES fans and will stick to it.

    I also read FIFA12 outsold PES by a nasty margin… If PES doesn’t step it up by next year, PES fans won’t even have a chance to compare, which I think it would be a shame since I always thought of this as not only a healthy competition but as 2 diff options every yr.

  92. SOURAV SAHA says:

    BOTH PES & FIFA IS GOOD, BT FIFA IS BETTER,COZ IN PES ALL THE CLUBS OF ENGLISH PREMIER LEAGUE IS NOT PRESENT,WHERE AS FIFA SHOW ALL OF THAT

  93. chris says:

    I have played the latest editions of both FIFA and PES.

    I do love the presentation of FIFA but I find myself scoring same or thereabout goals every time. I find PES gameplay to be more realistic and satisfying. It really is like playing a real football match in terms of football strategy. While FIFA triumphs easily in the graphics department (mainly due to the outstanding but sometimes hilarious “Impact Engine” technology), PES really outshone its competitor in terms of gameplay.

    So ultimately no game is “THE BEST FOOTBALL GAME EVERRRR!!!”, it all depends on what kinda player u are. If u like nice graphics and is more of a casual gamer who loves to pick up a controller and have a game or 2 every now and then, then FIFA is for you. But if u live, breathe, sleep, dream of football and have recently been diagnosed with football fever, then PES is your choice….for sure.

  94. raul says:

    I am sorry about my previous comment that fifa is better than pes . FIFA again started to bore me like every year and i had played only 2 season. Same game play in which you have to only penetrate into opposition penalty box and shoot , no matter who is the player and of what attributes. Same style of goal i have to score every time, doesn’t have creativity and game play. PES 2012 i am missing you so much, i had given it to my friend to play and he is not giving me back :(

  95. Mishael says:

    All this bickering bout which game is better doesn’t makes sense…..I was a die hard pes fan, I loved it until pes 11, pes 11 was a total disaster, it deviated from what i always loved in pes, the A.I was just messed up, passing was different and u could just run through players or defenders so easily, it took a while to get used to it buh i couldn’t accept it, it was just weird, maybe due to personal opinion but pes had lost its pizzazz. Then i tried out Fifa 11, at first it was really difficult but becoz i understood the game i invested time in it and it became very interesting and fun, buh now fifa12, i wont lie the improvements are small buh it increases the overall experience.
    Personally i think it comes down to preference and the time your willing to invest learning or improving urself on which ever football game u go for. But i think both games could do better, fifa on the game modes it offers, more depth and pes on the licences problems also A.I buh this is just my opinion ur free to hate or like it. Final Verdict Fifa 12 is slightly better.

  96. Aaron says:

    PES is tonnes better.

    FIFA has the worst servers. Everytime I enter an online match, about halfway through the match, it disconnects with me being logged out of the Playstation Network. At least PES has stability and you know you wont disconnect.

    FIFA is really unrealistic. All to do to score a goal is to hold Finesse shot into the corner. But PES, there is a variety, and the keepers arent that retarded to not save slow shots.

    AI is tonnes better in PES, FIFA stands no chance here.

    Face details are tonnes better in PES. I mean, lower league players in FIFa looks like trolls.

    Player impact in FIFA has made the game worse. Referees give penalties for fair tackles, and you can trip over a striker when youre a defender. PES, the defenders actually tackle, and its decent.

    But PES is not perfect either, 3 things, Licensing, Commentary and the animations. I mean, how retarded are the running animations, and the commentary is really annoying, and i like Alan Smith and Martin Tyler. And lastly the leagues, there is so little. English, Spanish, Dutch and Italian Leagues are only there. There is that new Copa Libertadores, so thats unique, but this can be easily fixed by downloading patches.

    Overall, FIFA is no simulation, if you want to be frustrated by Server disconnections, shocking referring, and a physics engine that makes attackers look like their freaking godzilla, than be my guest. I know PES has stability and tactics actually have a part of how you play. PES needs a few tweaks, but its a great soccer game that can be enjoyed by a family and not a bunch of hardcore gamers

  97. Aaron says:

    Without me logging out of Playstation Network***

  98. Mason says:

    Me and my brother we’re playing PES for a very long time and few months back we were challenged by some fifa fans who i quote ‘ have +90% wins on multiplayer games with ease’, to play FIFA 11 over multiplayer with them.

    and guess what happened…

    We beat each and everyone of them with ease and realized that FIFA, while having nice graphics and stuff, is as arcadish as ever. Many similar situations over the match, scoring from similar positions with same shots, not to mention goals from over 40 meters with a volley…

    Attacker gets past your defender with ease in PES? you are holding the defense buttons too much…

    I have a friend who i introduced PES and this year he chose fifa 2012. He is just a casual gamer, he played a match on PES11 and a match on FIFA12 and likes FIFA better… fine so be it but, if you ask me, that only shows FIFA is easier to play then some people here say.

    so in short all i would say is
    FIFA (hard to start playing, easy to master)
    PES (easy to play, very hard to master )<- more depth

  99. Kaine says:

    Master league online only is too easy to go bankrupt, thats why Fifa noobs cant/dont play/like it. Great post btw it deserves to be at the top of google, get this known. Can you also do a post that Xbox is better than Ps and Manchester City are better than Manchester United? Thanks.

  100. snoopy says:

    Pes is a better game in my opinion and there is one simple reason i prefer it nothing more nothing less each to their own an all that…
    Maybe instead of all the pointless trying to prove one is better than the other just enjoy the one you prefer at the end of the day its your choice.

  101. Timo says:

    Is that why FIFA 12 sold twenty five times more than PES 2012?

    Didn’t it go down as a record lmao

  102. Mark says:

    I’m sorry but I can’t take anyone serious when they say they play a Wii. C’mon, man…

  103. mike24611 says:

    i got pes 2012 for christmas, returned it after a week. easier passing and easier to get past defenders? then wheres the challenge? and the fact that im playing london west and not chelsea is a big deal to me.

  104. master says:

    fifa12 is harder than pes 2012?? c’mon, this morning I played fifa12 for the first time and I blew away my friend that have been played fifa for years, 5-0
    seriously, fifa gameplay is good but it’s too easy, c’mon I am challenging every fans of fifa,
    you never play pes if you can say fifa is better, fifa is bullsh*t, their fans too

  105. Zach says:

    In sales
    FIFA 25:1 over PES and the graphics in FIFA are 10 times better buddy.

    P.S. I play a real system called the 360)

  106. mike says:

    I use to love FIFA 05 but since pes 06 until now pes 2012 pes never disappointed while FIFA I gave chances every year and it just made me go back and return it yea pes has its downs but it is so good in gameplay that Otto doesn’t matter to me just fix it with patches I m Sorry FIFA but you lost every year to pes so 5 billion thumbs up to pes the best soccer game on the face of the earth

  107. Kentucky Windage says:

    It’s not though. PES started to go down hill about 7 years ago but before that it was king. PES 12 is a big improvement over 11 but FIFA is much better now. I played every ISS game and every PES game from the beginning so I know what I am talking about.

  108. Tanvir Islam Dip says:

    PES12 is Realllllly a Aaawwweeesssooommmeee Game……………….
    & also Better than FIFA12…………

  109. Salman Wahidi says:

    This is the most pathetic reasons I have ever heard in my entire life. Come on man, I know that he is still biased towards PES from the inside and it is very clear from this line “As a perfect example, my wife walked in to our living room the other day and didn’t notice I had a controller in my hands. She looked at the TV screen and thought I was watching a real match. I was playing PES 2012.” Come on FIFA looks more realistic if you suddenly enter in a room and same thing happens. Then he says that the players ‘Look’ and ‘Feel’ more real? C’mon in FIFA there are signature passing styles and dribbling styles, unlike in PES which still offers the same 4 dribbling types from PES 5 :@

    I used to be a PES fanatic, but FIFA is better overall and I still play both games, but day in day out… FIFA proves that it’s gameplay is close to reality and I can do almost the same moves as I watch on TV

    If anyone thinks that in graphics PES is better? I’m a Barca fan and I hate Xavi, Keita, Abidal, Messi, Iniesta and Sanchez’s faces in PES. Xavi looks like an alcoholic, Keita looks someone who doesn’t give a damn about his face, Iniesta looks like an Alien with near-white skin… but that’s my view

    What I am trying to tell is that FIFA is better overall… all prestigious gaming websites admit it, and no way I’m telling that PES is bad, it’s also good, but FIFA is best nowadays

    PES 12: 8/10
    FIFA 12: 9/10

  110. Chris L says:

    I don’t know I have more fun playing FIFA 12 than PES 12. To each his own.

    But, one of the earlier posters claimed that “it’s the official game” of many teams. Tetris would be the “official game” of many teams if you paid them money to promote it.

  111. Liam55891 says:

    Guys guys … people like pes, people hate fifa . people like fifa, people hate pes … simple

  112. Fifa12 says:

    dude…….
    fifa 12 is so much better.
    My friend has Pes and I played it a few times. The graphics are horrible, the people look really fat, and the variety of words in the commentating is somewhere between paper thin and non existent.
    Cmon guys, Fifa offers a much better gameplay and AI. Oh, and it’s SO easy in Pes to get past defenders. You just hold the run button and you basically just run.
    In Fifa you actually have to pass for you to keep possession.
    Player’s faces in Fifa are far more realistic than Pes.
    Despite its superiority over Pes, Fifa has some problems that need to be addressed. One of them is the crowd in the stands. they look like two dimensional cardboard figures. also, it gets really annoying in Fifa when your team mates run into you when you’re dribbling or accidentally block your shot. There is also a persisting bug that forces me to quit the game after about an hour of gameplay.

  113. Fifa12 says:

    all in all, Fifa 12 is much better and this is reflected by its sales compared with Pes sales. Over the years, Fifa improved by miles and Pes just basically stayed in the same spot. For the two to be comparable, Pes needs to actually make some changes for the ’13 version.

  114. sourav says:

    pes 12 has better graphics but due to the new player impact engine the gameplay of fifa is better

  115. George says:

    We bought FIFA 12 and it just doesn’t make sense to me… the passing speed and the players-moving-speed it’s just ridiculous… I try to make a pass well placed and stong enough, and it goes sloooooowly… but when receiving a ball the player just accelerates incredibly… hey EA SPORTS… INERTIA! it should be easier to make a strong pass than destroy physics by eliminating inertia in many moves…

    That’s why I just couldn’t play FIFA… that wasn’t the football I watch on TV, that was just a game… oh and also, I got bored defending, those guys could just pass the ball outside your box for years… that may be realistic, because today’s football is very defensive and conservative (AND BORING), and so is FIFA

    On PES, I can actually do the stuff I see real players do on TV… However this PES 2012 is my less favourite in the last years… it strongly prefer PES 2011, the speed is also taking physics to the limit… but for me is still ahead of FIFA

    People say FIFA is more of a challenge, and it is, because it doesn’t matter if you know or play football… you have to learn a whole new sport (game) in order to be a good FIFA player…

  116. cmcjas says:

    i agreed with you that pes may have more detail than fifa in terms of graphics. i personally find the models in pes look more realistic in the idea of 3d volumetic , where as in fifa sometimes things look a bit less 3d volumetric, especially the background/stadium looks abit 2d-ish.

    but lighting wise, i prefer fifa since it’s brighter and more natural than pes. however in terms of gameplay, i find fifa plays out more fluently and more challenging than pes, still it’s quite controversial when come down to personal opintion.

    lastly it would be better if you correct the term fifa looks like a computer game, because this really confuses me. as high end computers are superior to consoles in terms of performance, resolution and graphics quality. i owned both games on my pc and my ps3, they all look the same except the pc version allows better anti aliasing quality.

  117. ZachUnited says:

    All I have to say to all you FIFA fans is that you are delusional. I have never played PES but I am about to become a new fan. If you have tried to get past, oh, I don’t know, say 2-3 seasons in career mode your game will start freezing up on you and your career is trashed. Yes, that exciting feature they brought back in youth squad and all the work you’ve been doing scouting is kerrrmuthapluckinplunked. And I’m so pissed off. EA sports has the worst customer service and do not care about their purchasing customers whatsoever. They have ignored everyone, and trust me, everyone is having this problem, google it. I only bought the game for career mode. I always only buy the game for CM. But, FIFA 10, 11, 12 have now all taken 65$ from me in the exact same way and bent me over. Love the game, but the only reason I buy it is ********* and they do nothing about it, and will continue to do nothing about it and keep their monopoly going. All I can say is ***** EA Sports with a capital F.

  118. ZachUnited says:

    The following posts I will post from other sites

  119. ZachUnited says:

    I am over it, fourth new career mode, fourth career crash. Generally happens in about season 2 or whilst loading the file. If EA put it down to an “unlucky” save file, I must be terribly unlucky. Ridiculous, asking for a full refund… no word on a fix either

  120. Ion says:

    I am not a fan boy, I used to like fifa better until about PES 4/5 then I liked PES until fifa got on the right track , with baby steps in 2009 and an overall good improvement (on consoles) in 2010. In 2011 there was no doubt Fifa was better.
    Even the pc Fifa 2011 version which was in fact a ported version of the 2010 console version was better then PES 2011. 2012 gap keep increasing.

    1 -> My mother had the same reaction 8 years ago while I was playing Fifa 2004 so that doesn’t really say much.

    2 -> That’s your subjective opinion and if you’re going to make a point about the gameplay you should point out what is wrong with the players movements, positioning or how is the ball trajectory and things like that.

    3 -> I agree, Konami puts more effort into rendering the players faces then EA and fifa has a lot of generic faces but the final result of Konami effort is questionable.

    4 -> Irrelevant. I want to play the game not socialize, I have friends and social networks for that.

    5 -> Again irrelevant.

  121. tygas says:

    the two games are cool FIFA 12 bicause of the graphics are better and PES 12 bicause it have so many things like champions ligue and more what i play??????????????????’

  122. robdob says:

    the people who play PES are the people who dont like the new defending system basiclly because they like just scoring all the time with no challange
    And on PES they all move like they have a spoons up there arses

  123. pes rules says:

    i honestly prefer pes cuz on fifa the only way u can be ur man is buy doing to crazy skills which is totally unrealistic because real players dont go around doing roulettes and rainbow flick to every single players however even thought pes start doing skills u can still use the simple moves that help u beat ur defender on a one on one instead of big skill and in pes u can get players to do runners unlike fifa, and btw to hater passing is important and i can honstly tell you th passing on pes feels more realistic

  124. sidfax says:

    fifa 12 is better because it has a lots of problem

  125. Nash says:

    fifa never change, but pes always bring the difference every year.. and for me, pes 6 is the best!!!!!! (^,^)’

  126. Jack says:

    Pes used to better than fifa, pes 6 was the finest hour. After that fifa shat out a lot of sh*t all over pes. I bought both this year and pes sucked hard it was boring. Pes is dead now, fifa won.

  127. ugnius says:

    hello i will wish that i can have that game!

  128. Jane says:

    i just have to say that PES 2010 and above has become slow and gamepads feel like they need half a second before the button starts working but that is because you have VERTICAL SYNC on in the game.

    Remove that and the game become twice as better… and do PES 2012 trainings…
    PES 2012 with good (non-delay) video settings, the game is rich in defense as in offense

    Trainings teach you how to defend and attack. They show you what is possible and how you can block attacks and stuff… And the corners on multiplayer are unbelievably hard and fun and exhausting (in a good way) for both the defense and offense.

    PES 2012 has done much in terms of your teammates AI. You just have to try the game.

  129. rocky says:

    didn’t play FIFA, but i’ve seen the graphic, players physic looks all same and cartoony i think, on youtube the gameplay is joke, juggling when middle of the game n almost all player can do tricks perfectly > are this even near football game, not at all. Sorry for all FIFA fan even though i’d never play FIFA …
    > but here i will give my opinion for PES 12 lackness:

    1. the players awareness/concentration are too high for 90minutes
    2. goalkeepers are simply worst GK PES series ever i think + ( cannot catch the ball )
    3. some player are too good to be true for example robinho more often do drib all of my players than c.ronaldo

    but still i love PES gameplay.

    sorry bad english, my english suck

  130. Alem says:

    This article is WRONG. Only thing where PES is better then FIFA is graphics. But, if you are graphic whore, play PES. FIFA is the best and most substantial presentation of virtual football. It’s more realistic,more closer to simulation then PES. Hell, PES even dont have club and players licenses yet, and when u buy the game, u need to handle transfers by yourself.
    Cheers.

  131. jayne says:

    its obvious all those who say fifa is better than pes are illiterates ,though pes has a lincense problem they are the best.if you like play pes 2011 and fifa 2012 and see the difference . pes players are better than fifa players its been proven

  132. NFRS says:

    pes12 better then fifa12? -.- the gameplay of fifa 12 beats easy pes 12 …

  133. Duncan says:

    Yeah I totally agree!!! Fifa just isn’t as catchy, it just doesn’t grab me like PES, PES has MUCH better Graphics DEFINITELY!

  134. Arjun says:

    There is nothing hard with FIFA. At least the gameplay is better in PES. I can beat Chelsea 5-0 in Legendary with a team like Stoke.

  135. gin says:

    One reason FIFA will always fall short of PES is realism. I know FIFA LOOKS visually (animations,scoreboards,cameras etc) and MOVES realistically but it will NEVER play realistically. Emphasis on the casual crowd, rubbish emphasis on tricks, boring same old goals scored and frankly doesn’t have the soul of pro evo. It’s popular because it looks good and the media hypes it to hell and back. Plus kids love it so they bash on pes without even playing it. HOOO LOOK AT ME I CAN DO SKILLZ. PES has been absolutely terrible in visuals and animations. Licenses can be downloaded so no worries. But game play is still for me, better than FIFA. Why? Because it plays like a real football game. No doubt it’s still FAR from being good. Animations, visuals, SHITTY mechanics need to go but the soul and core is there.

  136. jack says:

    pes is the joke of the gaming world, i used to prefer it, pes 04 and 05 were insane, but fifa is just soooo much better in every single way, i would rather play fifa 05 then pes 2012

  137. Bj says:

    I think it is only a matter of opinions. Personally i prefer pes bt doesn’t mean everybody should. For those who say it’s harder to score on fifa, i guess you don’t know what finesse shot is all about. For the super messi/ronaldo etc thing, anyone ever thought of disabling the speed merchant skill card for all players? One thing on pes though that i don’t see complains about is the direction deflected shots which tend to spin into the net. Another thing is the issue of being realistic which despite being part of the appeal is not the main reason why most ppl play games, it is for the fun(being realistic adds to fun though)…everyone has a right to their opinion so just enjoy the game u love

  138. MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE says:

    i havnt played pes sinse 2007 but fifa 12 really pisses me off

  139. Johnny says:

    Let me first say that the players in pes 2012 that are running on the field look like they are skating on ice.
    It makes the game so weird and bad.
    Fifa is much more like a real soccer game.

  140. Ali says:

    PES more like an arcade where FIFA is like a simulation with worse graphics. for me, both have same difficulty, PES’s top player level is as easy as FIFA’s world class level and PES’s superstar level is as unrealistic&frustrating as FIFA’s legendary level (seriously,at some point I think the computer’s AI may have been cheated on my,*&$%$)

    for the online feature both also have some good and bad points. FIFA’s online mode is better BUT u still have to buy an additional online pass for that. and PES’s online feature is good (but not better than FIFA),but there are still problems with pairing in an online match..

    for me PES 2012 = FIFA 12,but for now i prefer PES coz i have it patched & i havent buy the online pass for FIFA,haha

  141. darkeye999 says:

    PES series are better, but PES 2012 sucks like sh*t.

  142. Scott says:

    Still makes me laugh when people say FIFA is a simulation, have you watched the defensive AI at all?
    There’s a reason why 90% of the golas scored are considerd cheap.FIFA is so AI heavy that more or less everybody moans about the cheap goals, I.E. assisted 1-2′s, assited lobbed thru balls, assited crossing, assisted finesse shots, assited heading, pass backs.

    1 scenario on both games played out very differently.
    Playing against the comp i’m wininng 1 – 0, There’s 20 mins left.
    FIFA, Take off a striker bring on a striker and change nothing.
    PES, Take off a defender bring on a striker change formation and change to all out attack.

    FIFA arcade dressed as simulation.
    PES Simulation dressed as arcade.

  143. marwan says:

    PES better and FIFA for pussies

  144. DJ says:

    Pes is better

  145. César Costa says:

    LOL

    There’s only one reason to prefer PES over FIFA: you just like PES more. Because the battle between PEs and FIFA got to a point where the decision is not subjective anymore. FIFA is just better in any aspect you can think of aside from the edit mode, and if you think otherwise you just don’t know anything about football. It might sound agressive, but FIFa is so flat-out better and it gets so much better reviews from football fans and game critics alike that there’s no real doubt between FIFA and PES, like there was some years ago.

    Graphics are more natural, gameplay is FAAAAAAR superior, authenticity is is another level, AI is FAAAAr better… i could go on and on. Some of the points referred here are actually the ones that make FIFA better -.-

  146. Scott says:

    How is the FIFA AI better?????? just how?

    The FIFA AI is abysma, Defenders never join attack, midfielders never join attack unless you are controling one of them.The defensive AI is shocking, they mark spaces and not players, they will stand by and watch as a striker runs through them to get on the end of a pass back.

    And as for critics liking it, Do you really need somebody else to tell you what to like?

    And do you never find it funny that there are forums upon forums of peope complaining about the FIFA AI, Ping-Passing, Handicapping, Scripting and the dull off line yet not a single “critic” ever mentions these things.

    A geniune magazine review gave FIFA 9/10 And said “FIFA is a fun game that boils down to who has the faster team, And it gave PES 8/10 and said “PES is a game that takes a geniune football know how and tactical understanding to master”

    So to say FIFA is a genuine football master piece is a lie that your “critics” are happy to go along with.

    • Jake says:

      In my experiences everything you have just said is a lie, the defence joins my attack and so does my midfield, they even tackle, chase players down, and mark players. HAVE YOU EVEN PLAYED FIFA?!

      Even though on PES a game i respect alot, players just stand there and you can walk past them and they just wave and that on the easiest difficulty and the hardest one is the most un realistic thing ever the players do the impossible, as on FIFA players actually tackle and everything and the differecnces on the difficulties are basically the intensity and pressure the players put on you.

  147. Jake says:

    Seriously why is everyone calling each other idiots because of their opinions? everyone has their own, for example some say Barcelona are better tyhan Madrid, bu some say Madrid are better than Barcelona or Messi is better than Ronaldo or Ronaldo is better than Messi! These are all opinions not facts!

    I perfer Fifa than PES yes i have them both i have spent a considerable amount of time on them both, but Fifa feels more realistic towards me, PES just feels like the players are gliding and also the ball, i also find the game modes of Fifa are better,like Ultimate Team is one of the main reasons i play the game, and its also the reason many ithers do, even no you could just play Career Mode it just doesnt feel as good of building from scratch and gaining your own squad from hard work, as i feel PES lacks the more online side compare to Fifa, i eel that Fifa has cam a long way since 5 years ago and i feel PES has not change much at all!

    How about this. 5 reasons why I THINK Fifa is better!

    1. Ultimate Team – WOW! WHAT A GAME MODE! Its simply the best mode i have ever played on any sports game ive ever played! some may not agree but im not going to argue to your opinions because this is mine! I love this mode simply because you have to work for you team and its actually very hard because you gain about 800 coins a game and a very good rlayer is 40,000 – 1,000,000+ ts always a challenge and defiently a challenge to get Messi and Ronaldo.

    2. Career Mode – Simply Better than PES’ so much more realistic with the news and everything it also allows you to see whats going on around your club and others, i find PES’ to simple and not as detailed.

    3. Virtual Pro – Im not sure if PES came up with this feature first but i would say Fifas is alot better as you have to do certin thing to complete challenges and progress and also Pro Clubs is simply great too! I just think it works better with Fifa than PES

    4. Graphics – Many may not agree but the only graphics PES has better are a few player faces but apart fromk that Fifa has better stadiums and better textures than PES so i would say generally Fifa has bettern graphics I just find PES’ plain and horrible and plastic!

    5. Finally… Gameplay – Some may not agre but on Fifa the games play i find alot better than PES it feels more like the game itself, the difficulties also come to this as the lowest of PES is the easiest thing ever i find it harder to breath and the hardest is too hard and isnt even realistic it the stupidest thing ever there isnt even a point at all as on Fifa the easiest difficulty the defenders can actually defend and the attacker can attack and also the hardest is hard but is actually realistic and Fifa has better engines in it like passing, tackling and the new AI thinking.

    This is simply my opinion and i am NOT saying yours is wrong and this is what i believe. No i am not an idiot, this is my opinion and please respect it. Its like saying the type of music you like is rubbish and the music i like is the best but is is just my opinion.

  148. Lmfao says:

    Fifa is not bad, but i’d rather play international super star soccer on sega’s mega drive

  149. OldSkoolGamer says:

    I’ve been playing pro for years. FIFA was one of them games that the people who didn’t know about games had FIFA98 lol and all the rest up to 09/10.Theres no doubt It has got better over the years (2010/11/12) because EA have more money because it’s called ‘Fifa’ its a brand that fools buy into. But I’m sorry for me it just isn’t smooth enuff it hasn’t got the silky gameplay that Pro has its stiff, slow and boring. The graphics are horrid and on the PS3 it’s even worse. it’s none responsive I have played it for hours and tryed to see what hype is about but it’s just hype & banter.. it sounds and Looks good(game layout not graphics) but it plays poorly then tryes to dress its poor gameplay with advanced tactics and 1st person bullshit before kickoff. It’s just got Licences, good game design and some good online modes. The programers @ EA have took 15 years (prob the age of some of you on here) to make it half decent. But it can’t even come close to Konomi in terms of game quality!!!! I can’t belive some of these comments it’s ridiculous! In all fairness Fifas ok for 10yr/12yr olds it’s a good present for your nephew, Lil bro etc. Pro is strait to the point no nonsense great Football game. Pro could do with the licences after giving us a top football game year after for over a decade and should touch up there Look but that’s really it…. pro been good for ages. These kids would rather play a game with poor gameplay and graphics trade it in for licences, better commentary, and the brand ‘Fifa’

    Very Sad.

    Get PES12 and a X-BOX and a mate an play properly for a few hours learn the controls you will never go back to CheaFa again.

  150. Liam says:

    I never played PES before because i’ve always been a FIFA player, however, this year I did buy fifa 12 and PES 2012, and I really could not score with PES, it kept flying over the goal when I didn’t even hold the shoot button in, what the hell is with that!? Aswell as playing as “North London” instead of Arsenal, if you can’t use the real names then no point making a footie game, it sucks. Safe to say, the only good thing is that they have the licensing for EUFA Champions League. Safe to say i’ll stick to fifa.

  151. Wow says:

    I still don’t understand how club original names is a major factor in deciding how good the game is

  152. bomber99999 says:

    fifa 12-
    unreal player faces
    difficult to search or transfer players
    no uefa
    no uropa
    no realism in off match things like cameramen movements , security guards movements, manager movements, celebrations,
    best commentry
    best match play
    best chants
    best crowd reactions ( scoring goal, facing a goal, good tackle, bad tackle, just missing goal, good defending, bad defending, winning,loosing booooooo etc….)
    realistic ball movements
    good derby matches

    pes 2012-
    realistic players faces
    realism in off match things like cameramen, security guards, manager movements, celebrations, press conference,
    good player celebration
    uefa
    uropa
    best game plans options
    easy to search or transfer players
    worst commentry
    worst chants
    worst crowd reaction
    no small league
    less stadiums
    less teams

  153. Smithy1991 says:

    Please tell me that this is a troll article? Or are you actually being serious? If you are, i have no idea how you came to that awful conclusion. Lets run through your 5 reasons…

    1. This is purely opinion based, no facts used here just a subjective point. “My wife came in and thought it was a real game” is one of the worst arguments i have ever heard for one game being superior to another.

    2. Again subjective without any facts used to back up your points. FIFA in fact does have far superior gameplay, proof being the layers upon layers of gameplay improvements that they pile on every year, 360 dribbling, precision dribbling, precision passing, tactical defending the list goes on. There is no debating this, see all game reviews for FIFA, all these gaming experts back up my point. You said you prefer PES because it is less of a challenge, this just shows you are a casual gamer who doesn’t like to be challenged, again just because PES is easier doesn’t make it a better game.

    I would just like to add, this point contradicts your first, because if you like your games to look/be realistic, PES is not that. It is far from easy to dribble past players as PES would lead you to believe, it lacks realism, FIFA requires skill and realistic build up play and passing, triangle passes to maneuver the defence, create a gap and exploit that gap.

    3. Again another opinion, you are talking about realism of the players reactions, which is not even remotely linked to gameplay. I have already explained the superior gameplay aspects of FIFA, as have the countless professional game reviewers. Keane? On FIFA 12 he lacks pace, like he does in real life, he is a good finisher, always has been, but he has never been lighting fast and is only getting slower as he ages, i really don’t understand your point here.

    4. Xbox LIVE in game voice chat…. Far more effective than generic phrases activated by a simple button press… You could even go on FIFA and use the Mic, but only speak the phrases in PES if that really floats your boat.

    5. Now you are saying PES is better because Konami always fail to market their games as well as EA? That is a ridiculous point but i shall discuss this nevertheless. It is far from just media hype, as the game has been dubbed as possibly the best sporting game of all time, don’t take my word for it, google it, you will find countless articles sharing this view, from professionals…

    A little advice for future reference, if you again decide to post such a controversial article, use facts to back up your points, otherwise your argument carries zero weight and frankly looks like a bit of a joke. All of your points are opinion, and without fact behind it you might as well be telling me a fictional story. Next you tell us all that Titus Bramble is a better defender than Nemanja Vidic.

    P.S Man Blue v Merseyside Blue. I end my comment on that bombshell.

  154. readdyeddy says:

    When you play PES, the opening scene is based up of UEFA league…
    when you play FIFA, the opening scene are their own leagues, such as EPL, SPL, Serie A.

    thats one thing…
    some players like to manage teams, so they play FIFA.
    some people like to dribble technically, so they play FIFA.
    some people like to play dramatically, so they play PES…
    You canNOT compare FIFA with PES…
    you’re comparing apples and oranges here…

  155. owen says:

    it is verry good

  156. yourjoking says:

    Pes wishes it was better then fifa , I brought pes 2011 & ibrahamovc was still playing for barca, plus more people play fifa. Fifa 4 life more then my wife

  157. Reehul says:

    I’ve play both pes 12 fifa12. All of them are good to play.But all my friend says pes2012 is better.

  158. Jack says:

    Man PES is hell a lot more fun to play than fifa.
    Fifa isn’t that fun. Fifa has really frustrating defenders yet really terrible goalkeepers.
    Example: I am attacking with striker, defender comes out of no where ad sprint towards me. I try to move away from the defender but the defender isn’t realistic and tackles the ball away from me and runs to my goal and scores!!!

    Another example: I am attacking with my striker and there is one defender and one goalkeeper.
    I shoot very far away from the goal and I actually score!
    I was playing world class dificulty!
    Fifa has repetive A.I on defenders and the goalkeepers are terrible at blocking in the game.

  159. Jean says:

    I stopped reading at reason 2. I really hate people complaining about a game because this too hard and thats easier. It only weakens your argument, not strengthen it…

  160. Lil Nani says:

    Listen lads : PES 2012 is 6 times better than fifa for : Game play , Realism , Faces and Much more fun !

    Last but not least. The last reason why pes 2012 is better than fifa 12 is because :

    ITS JUST MUCH MUCH MUCH MORE BETTER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  161. Donnie says:

    i love soccer so much and i play it at school but i want to join real soccer real bad with out sighing up

  162. eleven says:

    i used to be a pes fan, but for this year i choose fifa 12
    pes 2012 is so unrealistic, player movement is terrible everyone just like messi, and goalkeeper still be the most stupid person in team

  163. jamesp says:

    I prefer FIFA, but I can also enjoy a game of PES (UCL mode):p
    But to end all the “fighting”: FIFA lovers hate PES and vice versa, get over it. Just buy and play the game you love.

  164. bomber99999 says:

    fifa 12-
    no expressions or emotions on player faces
    difficult to search or transfer players
    no uefa
    no uropa
    no realism in off match things like cameramen movements , security guards movements, manager movements, celebrations,
    no continuance ( players celebrate something in wide camera and do something else in other camera, after 2 nd half or at the end of match player do something in wide camera and do something else in other camera angle, it make us feel like stupid, and we get to know that yes, we are just playing a videogame)
    best commentry
    best match play
    best chants
    best crowd reactions ( scoring goal, facing a goal, good tackle, bad tackle, just missing goal, good defending, bad defending, winning,loosing booooooo etc….)
    realistic ball movements
    good derby matches

    pes 2012-
    realistic players faces
    realism in off match things like cameramen, security guards, manager movements, celebrations, press conference,
    good player celebration
    uefa
    uropa
    best game plans options
    easy to search or transfer players
    continuance ( players celebrate something in wide camera and do same in other camera, after 2 nd half or at the end of match player do something in wide camera and do same in other camera angle, so it feels like we are watching tv….great)
    worst commentry
    worst chants
    worst crowd reaction
    no small league
    less stadiums
    less teams

  165. jaggu says:

    is pes 2012 have a lan gaming option???????????????
    guys do reply for my question………….

  166. inshiy says:

    What can I say. Playing PES all my life and never accept FIFA because of the redicules dribling moves.
    seriously, if you may cross all field with one special move – itis idiotic.
    Have to subbmit that my favorite PES is 2010, not impressed from the 2012, however now playing FIFA 12 and really injoying.

  167. John says:

    I like bread and fifa

  168. John says:

    FIFA ftw. It’s the official football game (owned by the actual football federation, the people who practically own football), so has much more funding, so is much better. Like so much better. PES is kinda crappy in all truth. It’s just some Joe Bloe’s version of the real thing. It will never compete with FIFA. Never. ILY FIFA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  169. Jag says:

    This review is spot on, I’ve been off work and have spent a month analysing both, and PES 12 comes on top by a fair margin. Fifa 12 is good, but PES has that fluid organic feel, and the gameplay is so much smoother. I was always a FIFA player, but this year PES wins.

    There are reviews that will put FIFA ahead, but that will be based on the completeness of Fifa with the licences, and to a certain aspect the marketing advantage by EA.

    PES 12 gameplay is the most enjoyable I have ever experienced for years. By the way PES 2011 was the most irritating football game for me ever, I think that was work in progress, but now its complete in PES 12.

  170. najoom says:

    hey guys can any1 tell which song is played when playing champions league in PES 2012 the song is lyk opera vocals are lyk princess so any 1 can tell me plz?

    • The Gaffer says:

      Try using the Shazam app. That’s probably the easiest way unless a reader knows the answer.

      Cheers,
      The Gaffer

  171. najoom says:

    yeah tankz

  172. najoom says:

    it didnt work guyz :(

  173. ConorMK says:

    In the end, it will always come down to personal tastes on how a football sim should be and how you want to play. I’ve bought every FIFA game since 2003 whereas I’ve been off and on with PES. I do enjoy FIFA, and this years version is a huge step forward. PES 2012 meanwhile, has some minor adjustments which in the end, meant the series took one step forward yet two steps back:

    FIFA 12 Positives:
    - New ‘Impact Engine’ is realistic and effective, works very well.
    - The IE blends well with the new defending, and there’s a great cohesion and balance in the way FIFA is played now.
    - I still find the graphics to be superior to PES, and the on-screen graphics are much more TV-like and presentable.
    - The Career Mode is a lot better compared to 11, the new Deadline Day feature is an excellent addition and it’s more enjoyable in general.
    - Commentary is again, streets ahead of PES’s continually dire commentary from Jon Champion and Jim Beglin. Alan Smith fits in seamlessly with Martin Tyler, and there’s even the option of the second commentary team, which is great.

    FIFA 12 Negatives:
    - Every match feels largely the same, whether it’s a cup final or a derby, there’s no difference. FIFA always feels the same when you play.
    - A major problem with FIFA still is the fact that all the fancy Sky Sports-esque graphics are there, it feels as though it’s largely unnecessary in a way. The Career Mode still lacks a certain depth and ‘Be A Pro’ is still horrendous compared to Become A Legend on PES.
    - While online play is integrated well by EA, it hasn’t been well devised, as the servers are really quite poor. But the huge online features on offer, slightly overpower the negatives.

    PES 2012 Positives:
    - Minor improvements to general gameplay offers more enjoyability to the game. Passing is more slick and scoring is now more difficult.
    - ‘Football Life’, the blend of Master League, Become A Legend and the new, Club Boss modes is a great addition and allows you to really immerse yourself in the world of football from all sides, as a manager, player or chairman.
    - While the graphics and realism are slightly more disappointing than FIFA, the UEFA Champions League licences are again improved on and it really is terrific to watch.
    - One thing PES always beats FIFA on is the ability to edit almost anything. The Edit Mode is better this year and allows you to create a new team, stadium or player with ease.
    - There’s tiny little things like cameramen moving around the pitch during matches that really add to the realism. I know it’s very minor, but those kind of things please me.

    PES 2012 Negatives:
    - While general gameplay is better, there’s some real issues in there. It’s now miles easier to dribble through an entire defence with the minimal push of your analog stick, which is disappointing. There also doesn’t appear to be any stamina limit, players just run forever.
    - Master League STILL doesn’t allow you to change clubs, which is really quite ridiculous. Whilst it’s more in-depth than the FIFA Career Mode, the ability to change your club should have been implemented years ago.
    - The new Club Boss mode, whilst an interesting addition, is unfortunately, as dull as dishwater. No enjoyment whatsoever.
    - When not playing a match in the UEFA Champions League, Europa League or Super Cup, the presentation is very boring.
    - I don’t normally mind the lack of licences in the Premier League, but there really should be more than two each year.

    As you can probably tell, I find there to be more gripes with PES 2012 than FIFA 12. EA’s latest football sim appears to be more well-rounded than it’s rival. Konami still hasn’t really perfected a game in the current generation of consoles, and there’s always very basic problems, every year.

    Since getting the UEFA licence, Konami have strayed away from the traditional arcade style of PES in favour of realism, which I think is the wrong move, as FIFA wins every year. PES is by no means a bad game, but FIFA is again my preferred choice. But still, that’s just me.

    I don’t know why people argue over which is better, each have their own strengths and weaknesses. Some will prefer PES, others FIFA, it all comes down to personal taste. But this year, once again, my personal taste leans me towards FIFA 12.

  174. Omar says:

    I bought pes12 on xbox but I thought that it was better to buy fifa12 but now I changed my mind.

  175. tomco777 says:

    Hi, I want to ask something…I don’t know if anyone will reply after this long time, but I’ll try it. You said, that you love in-game communication, and I want to ask, if it works in offline modes (become a legend or master league for example) and if, what I have to press on my controller (I have PES2012 for pc, but I’m playing it on xbox controller), or if anyone can give me a tutorial, which shows what to press…Thanks!

  176. Stephen says:

    Its a cheap revamp of PES 2009 (which was so far ahead of FIFA 2009) the AI hasn’t changed, graphics, sounds and 3D assets are all the same, the game play is still repetitive, the off the ball system is glitchy, I played online for 3 hours and only ever scored or conceded a ball chipped over my back 4 or passed through or where the AI went rogue and put it on a plate, fair enough the graphics do look more realistic but I think its a style decision EA made to reduce the level of detail, the smaller textures no doubt allow for more sophisticated AI. I waited to buy it as I didn’t think I needed both it turns out PES is too far behind FIFA and I wasted $49.99

  177. Sauav says:

    Why FIFA 12 is better than PES 2012 :
    1. EA is far more established than Konami
    2. EA has atleast purchased license and rights over logos and leagues whereas Konami sucks and has’nt even done that.Teams have been given stupid names such as Man Red…Man Blue etc…
    3. FIFA 12 is more detailed in passes and gameplay and one can even switch to tactical defence which is based on real defence of the clubs or teams.
    4. Online play is far better than PES 2012 with virtual pro mathes and custom games and much more like head to head sesons.

    Thus one should buy FIFA 12 and not PES 2012 because it sucks…!!!!!!

  178. ziadpayne says:

    I play PES and wanted to tell you that the passes are easy when you play against weak opponents but if you play against me neither Messi nor Ronaldo will do you any good cause I have the best defense and offense.
    and in PES you can put your player in the way of your opponents passes and if you’re smart and use your own tactics which you should build from the way your opponent plays then your opponent will run home crying like a baby and he’ll never try to challenge you again.So please don’t comment if you don’t know anything about PES.

  179. James irvine says:

    I used to love playing the master league in pes 04 and 09 but the game is really really bad now I dont have the words except to say its complete sh*t, fifa 11 was the best most realistic and satisfying football game ever made, fifa 12 has lots of errors in how the players are organised on the pitch but you can tweak how they move around to your taste but I think that was lazy on the part of the creators, so fifa 11 is the one for me.

  180. courtney says:

    i think pes is for beginners, and fifa is for pros because pes gameplay is easier, but in terms of graphics i give pes thumbs up.

  181. jong says:

    if FIFA were to use the old passing controls and shooting controls from PS2, it could improve.

    there are other problems, but the online experience is the other most notable problem with FIFA. the game is a disaster online even if you have a good internet connection because the servers connect you with people who are too far away.

    I suggest someone who wants to make some money with a website create a good N. America forum for FIFA online players. there’s no easy way to find good, mature people.

  182. Pes4ever??? says:

    I have been a PES fanboy since Winning Eleven 1 on PS2. Unfortunately they have not been able to get the gameplay right now for the past 4 or 5 versions. I have both games, and as much as I hate to say it. Fifa 2012 is far superior if you want a REALISTIC experience. PES 2012 although much improved still plays badly. The computer opponents in Master League don’t beat you with their skills but rather with their speed of movement. Yes everyone seem to be able to pull Lionel Messi moves at incredible velocities. It’s a total Joke. I do prefer some aspects of BE A LEGEND Mode to that of FIFA PRO, but overall the game is just way to unrealistic, computer cheats to win. In Fifa the computer beats you with skill. Don’t even want to talk about the goalkeeping, which is dreadful.

    Only wish I could have a master league in FIFA. Oh wait I can, going to make my own. Get ready for Fifa 2012 here comes Ordaz.

    Final verdict. PES use to Rock. But now Fifa RULEZ.

  183. Joe says:

    RE: The defending in PES and FIFA

    It may be the case that it’s easier to pass a defender in PES but in general, the teams defend better as a unit; in FIFA individual defenders are more psychic but they don’t keep any kind of shape, and can be undone with a basic move, which certain people will repeat to buggery.

  184. kvon182 says:

    Pes is far better than fifa. Fifa isnt very realistic and copies somethings from the pes from the year before like the360 degree passing which is pretty poor in fifa. Aswell with fifa if you have a fast striker you can get past just about any defender. Also the player impact engine is the most ridiculous thing ever put into a football game. Players that run into each other and do backflips is very realistic. Also the tatical defending is terrible. Also on the uk versions the commentry is so crap and boring those prats off sky sports. Also wayne rooney is on the cover of the game. It makes the game look more like a shrek movie or something. I feel its mostly the english fans that like this game because of the licenses but come on, most of those english teams are over rated in that game. Teams all mostly 4 stars and above. Right then. Well what about those in the spanish, italian and german leagues there not. My opinion they are stronger and more exciting leagues. But because the english league has the most it has to be the best. Also some players for example john terry have the complete defender speciality and milan defender thiago silva dosent. Im not saying terry is rubbish but my opinion is that silva should have it aswell. Same with midfielders sneijder has the midfielder one. Both xavi and iniesta dont have the complete midfielder but in real life xavi and iniesta are probaly the best and the most complete midfielders in the world. Xavi can pass, score and rarely gives away any possesion and pretty much the same from iniesta but a bit more in some area like playing out wide. Where as sneijder has been rubbish this season with inter milan and is no where near as good as xavi or iniesta yet he has this. They dont pay any attention to player likeness. Also pes graphics are much better. More players look like what they do in real life. Even players of smaller teams look like their real life counterparts. Also pes has the official license for the uefa champions league and the europa league and the south american equivalent of the champions league copa libertadores. Player control is far better in pes. For example a when you have the possession of the ball your can control a player off the ball meaning that your are in control and i feel more likely to score or create a goal. This is also in includes for set pieces where you can drag defenders out of position with your player and put the ball into that area and get someone on the end of it to score. In fifa its a 50/50 chances a player will make that incisive run to score or create that goal. >>Oh i almost forgot that the english striker emile heskey can score in fifa.<< how realistic is that. Not very if you ask me.

  185. Vovanatb says:

    So i downloaded demo of PES 12,  just to compare the gameplay, ok its better than it was before, but still can’t beat FIFA’s gameplay for sure! So i delete it, cuz after FIFA,  PES felt really  boring, i can play FIFA 12 for hours! And never get bored, cuz it feels like every game is different, i was the biggest Pro Evo Soccer fan, and i always hated FIFA, but now im sorry guys, only respect no disrespect,  for me FIFA 12 is waaaay more realistic than PES 12, in my opinion,  guy who made this review is totally wrong, but at the same time im happy for him and other people who likes PES, cuz i had the craziest fights with my friends caused by PES, and i hope KONAMI will continue making this game and improve its quality and gameplay, but for now im with FIFA 12, the best soccer simulator to date!  i cant belive i would ever defend FIFA, cuz i always been the bigiest fan of PES since 1998! Until 2009 i always was saying: if you want the best and realistic soccer simulator, you should go with PES, if want licensed teams but shitty gameplay and graphics, go for FIFA,  Unfortunately after 2009, PES didn’t improve their gameplay, only graphics, But when i bought FIFA 09 for xbox360, thats it!  i was amazed by the gameplay, it was far better than PES 09, (still graphics was better in PES) and since than every year FIFA was getting better and better, PES unfortunately basically  stayed the same. Now we have year 2012, and again unfortunately the gameplay in PES basically stayed the same, unrealistic, the only thing i like better than FIFA 12 is replays, thats it! FIFA 12 has the most realistic gameplay ever! The new defending system is amazing and very realistic! PES don’t have that, the moves is far better in FIFA 12, graphics basically the same for both games, PES is little bit better.

  186. Pes4ever??? says:

    I agree that the graphics are a bit better in PES 2012 than Fifa 2012 and that BE A LEGEND is much better. Having the Champs League is also Fantastic. But I’m not talking about the bells and whistles the games offer, but just realistic football. Now if you believe football should be played at the same speed as Ice Hockey then you will definitely love PES, especially once you make it the the Premier Division of your league in Master League. That is when the game begins to get ridiculous. I mean I have 3 defenders on 1 and somehow the attacking player always sneaks by. Also the computer takes 5-6 passes to get down the field. Now sure, you can lower the game speed setting, but then I find the animation of the players isn’t accurate at all, so in the end that doesn’t quite work either. As for the fluidity, Fifa is much more realistic. It plays at the right pace. Also, getting by defences is not as easy as people are saying. Sit down play the game for a few weeks and I bet you will start saying Fifa is better. To me I don’t really care much because I have both, but I find Fifa fun to play while PES totally frustrating with bad calls, bad goaltending, unrealistic game speeds and way to easy to score both for you and the computer opponent. Like a said, I’m now going to experiment a bit and see if I can create my own master league team in FIFA 2012 and see how it works out. Of course like every game comparison, there will be some good and some bad for both, but for myself the most important is true football and I find Fifa 2012 to be the better of the two in that regard. Hopefully Konami can repair the problems with the next version.

  187. FIFA Ultimate Team stands miles infront of anything PES has to offer.

  188. Pes4ever??? says:

    So I copied the Master League Default team as best as possible over to Fifa, and although the overall rankings are not the same, the skills of the players are pretty accurate. Now to set it up like PES, you have to pick your team in Player/Manger role and then swap to the lower division. But more importantly before you do anything including selecting the type of game you want to play, you have to make sure that the team you are looking to play has no real players, i.e you have to edit that team and release your real players and place them as Free Agents and then add the Master league Default players. You have to do this at the beginning before you select your mode of play, as once your in Career mode you can’t do it because, you can only release 4 or 5 players max.
    It’s a bit of a tedious task but it’s well worth it in the end. Can’t wait to get started this weekend :D

  189. stylz says:

    pes12 is the real deal and fifa complete garbage

  190. Pes4ever??? says:

    Fantastic arguement stylz!!!

    Why is PES2012 the real deal? Why does Fifa 2012 suck? Explain yourself, at least let the people on the forum no specifically why.

    Listen nobody loves the Master league concept more than I do, and even though I have tried to create my own in Fifa, it’s not the same, players are acquired with ease, you start off with the clubs real money etc. etc. So all that is definitely better on PES, my problem with it though is the actual gameplay, PES 2012 doesn’t play as well as FIFA 2012, there is no doubt about it. I know because I have both games and I have played them both enough to see the difference. Concepts are better in PES 2012 but the gameplay realism is much better in Fifa 2012 and unfortunately in the end that is all that counts. When I play a footy game I expect to play football not pinball, PES 2012 is just too damn fast and the player movements of the computer AI is lightening quick( only a few handfull of players should be able to do that, but unfortunately even computer players with 70 ratings overall can do them, how realistic is that? Goaltending is terrible too!!! Same with the officiating and commentary’s who continue to use the same old lines that I have heard since PES 2009.

    Sorry for all the PES fans, but we have to be open minded, and FIFA 2012 unfortunately is the better game overall. Hopefully Konami will play Fifa 2012 and start to impliment their gameplay for PES 2013.

  191. evren says:

    been laying both fifa and pes(winnig eleven) since teh early 90s, i remember the megadrive version of fifa 94 which seemed great back then. be to be hoinest pes is much better then fifa just like the commenter sad. graphics boith good, sound maybe fifa beter but the gamplay on pes is much more better than fifa, fifa seems so simulated yet pes players feel like real, pes is harder fifa is for kid on my book, pes have much better challenge if u play online or 1vs1 u feel like u actually watc and play a realfootball, where fifa feels like a arcade game.The only good think about fifa is htat u get to play 10 vs 10 online and thats a great fun,some time feels like a sunday league game, but than again i still prefer pes, got both of them but only time i enjoy fifa is when i playe 10 vs 10 game infact thats the only reason i still keep fifa otherwise would ahve solt it already,PES is true winner

  192. evren says:

    ive been playing both fifa and pes(winnig eleven) since teh early 90s, i remember the megadrive version of fifa 94 which seemed great back then. be to be hoinest pes is much better then fifa just like the commenter sad. graphics boith good, sound maybe fifa beter but the gamplay on pes is much more better than fifa, fifa seems so simulated yet pes players feel like real, pes is harder fifa is for kid on my book, pes have much better challenge if u play online or 1vs1 u feel like u actually watc and play a realfootball, where fifa feels like a arcade game.The only good think about fifa is htat u get to play 10 vs 10 online and thats a great fun,some time feels like a sunday league game, but than again i still prefer pes, got both of them but only time i enjoy fifa is when i playe 10 vs 10 game infact thats the only reason i still keep fifa otherwise would ahve solt it already,PES is true winner

  193. Aswin Hanagal says:

    Here is one more point why PES is better, it is more optimized for computers than FIFA i get double the fps at double the resolution as fifa 12 i have a amd brazos e450 apu with radeon hd 6320 graphics and pes is the best game ive played on it.

  194. Matt says:

    Look, I played both FIFA and PES. The only reason I play PES is because of gameplay. Also, I play soccer so technically I would know what a real soccer player would do. I will admit PES is not perfect and it does have some flaws, but I will admit I like it better that FIFA.

  195. Shafin says:

    I am a Fifa fan since 1998 and was introduced to PES series with PES2010.. I will be honest(i swear).. Fifa was okay but Pes10 felt better than Fifa10.. Then Fifa11 better than Pes11… And about the new ones… Fifa12 beats Pes12 at gameplay with impact engine(better physics), tactical defending(more reality while defending), precission dribbling(better ball control).. Pes12 has better graphics, More Realistic Player face(players act better like real life in Fifa12), Off the ball control(tactical attacking?)… Better ball reaction: Fifa12>Pes12 Player movement: Fifa12>Pes12 In game tutorials: Pes12>Fifa12 Career modes: Pes12>Fifa12 Player Stats: Fifa12>Pes12 Multiplayer: Fifa12=Pes12 Presentation: Pes12Pes12 Realistic skill moves: Fifa12>Pes12 Goal Celebrations: Fifa12>Pes12 Facial expressions: Pes12>Fifa12 ….. Conclusion: To me Fifa12 beats Pes12 by that much… There are very few things to dislike about Fifa12 and many things to like about Pes12… It was a hard choice!

  196. Mezie says:

    Let us all remember that PES started it all (International SuperStar Soccer many years ago), then FIFAs were glitchy. Now, however, PES looks like soccer on steroids to me. It’s fun and all that to play with friends, but talking realistically, FIFA still calls the shots. It’s not all about graphics, but the feel (otherwise Wii wouldn’t have outsold PS3 all these years).
    Adrenaline fun- pick PES 2012
    Technical play- pick FIFA 12.
    It’s all good, you choose what you like!

  197. murdockcent says:

    i have pes 2012 and fifa 12. Men! pes is better than fifa, fifa is just a marketing game

  198. maya says:

    j’aime pes 12

  199. Darien Francis says:

    ppl you guys can say what you want but i still say fifa 2012 is better than pes12 u guys can’t see

  200. MonsterNRJ says:

    FIFA 12 compared to PES 2012 haha dont make me laugh.PES always ruled and always was light years ahead.PES was always the better game.i have played both games from 2007 till today and PES’s Become a Legend was always better mode than FIFA’s Be A Pro

  201. mayur says:

    I m fifa fan.. Sorry pes friends if gameplay is not good that was not meaning for graphics

  202. PES4EVER??? says:

    I may have jumped the gun lads, when I said FIFA 2012 plays way better. Like I said I set up my own Master league and to tell you the truth it just hasn’t worked out at all. At first it seemed as if FIFA 2012 played more realistic….at first. Then I have tried to play a Tournament…and my god. The defending as a whole is just as bad as PES actually even worse.

    Like someone said earlier, the one to one defending is better but as a whole, the defending is terrible, Breakaways all the time, just like PES master league. So I have changed my decision, Fifa’s Engine may be slightly better but in the end. and it definitely has better goaltendting but it’s just as frustrating as PES 2012;

    PES as long as you take the speed down in the Premier leagues plays just as well, plus BE A LEGEND and MASTER LEAGUE make it much better overall.

    FINAL VERDICT PES 2012 is overall the better game. But sadly I find both games still lacking in realism

  203. Long says:

    I played PES 2012 and I ABSOLUTELY LOVED IT!
    When Pes 2012 was updated to v 1.06, Konami had switched a lot of the A.I.
    I was playing F.C Barcelona vs. a really bad team but when I was sprinting with the ball, the other team’s player kept catching up to me! When the other team’s player came close, he pushed my player to the ground and stole the ball.
    It wasn’t even a foul!!! This same thing kept going on over and over again. This mad pes 2012 unplayable and really boring. I love PES 2012 and its features a lot more than FIFA but this cheating A.I gives me no choice but to switch!
    I HATE FIFA!!! BUT the cheating A.I in PES 2012 GIVES ME NO CHOICE BUT TO SWITCH! OH KONAMI WHY DID YOU MAKE THE A.I SO TERRIBLE AND CHEATERS???!! I LOVED PES BUT I HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO GET FIFA!!!!!

  204. game guru says:

    all of you pes fans admit it that pes would be nothing if fifa got the uefa champions leeg and all of us fifa fans admitt that be a pro isnt as good as it could be be but this is actual fact,THE BEST SELLING SPORTS GAME IN HISTORY IS FIFA 12. If you dont beleive me then google it

  205. lol says:

    in become a legend the ai hardly ever passes it to you and calling for the ball is even worse.i cant ask for a through ball because they dont even pass it to u. also i have to note that the goalkeepers in pes suck. i scored a free kick from 50 yards away and the goalkeeper jumped the wrong side. in fifa 12 become a pro mode is better. calling for the ball is easier and all u have to do for calling the ball is just pressing the button which corresponds to the passing when u have the ball. goalkeepers in fifa 12 react a little too l8 and sometimes are too dumb. bottom line. u like pes? go play pes.u like fifa? go play fifa

  206. Nick says:

    I’m a FIFA fun but I think FIFA 12 blows some d. Never tried pes though. That’s on my list!

  207. Rapha says:

    Conclusion: you are an amateur on soccer’s game, and you are not a soccer’s fan, cuz PES12 is WAY FAR BEHIND FIFA 12.

    PES 12 BETTER THAN FIFA 12? L O L L O L L O L L O L L O L L O L L O L

  208. Gamer says:

    Ppl who bitching about dumb thing in real footbal is obviously a ppl who cant play football in real life… i found most of it is from fifa fan… GET A LIFE..u need more real life football than virtual ….

  209. lol says:

    yeah your wife thought u were watching a game. with names above the players head. yeah, really realistic

  210. chuck says:

    pes is just a plain lazy game, only have a handful of teams and even fewer actual leagues. the most frustrating thing in that game is when your player automatically chases a ball that he isnt even close to and there isnt anything you can do to stop it. pes is no where on fifa’s level

  211. pes is better simply cuz it shows u how to shoot a knuckle ball and it has training chalenges. nd it haz diving

    • PES is better because it has the worst aspect of football? diving! which is runing the game? If i concede a pen from a dive i’m not gonna be thinking “man that was cool” I’m gonna rage like you’ve never seen “stupid piece of S**T game cheating to win!!! wish I had bought FIFA”

  212. qa says:

    yo wife is stupid

  213. George says:

    A lot of people play PES as it’s easier, in FIFA you have to sweat to make a goal, just like real life! If you want a challenge when you are playing against CPU or your friends then play FIFA, if you want easiest gameplay and more wins, less frustration.. just go PES.

  214. I used to love PES on PS2 but even i’ll admot fifa 12 is miles better, I’ll show ths by using your own points.

    Point 1, graphics. PS3 has better graphics than a xbox but everyone should agree XBOX has better online play and overall better gameplay and its not like FIFA has bad graphics they are still awesome and its gameplay is better

    Point 2, gameplay. You say its better because its easier to get past defenders, I personally find poor defending irratating as its not easy to do in real life and also makes it more competitve and less boring thus better.

    Point 3 detail. because the faces look the same? therefore graphics therefore point 1? FIFA has more players leagues teams staff everything therefore more detailed, th impact system is also great and looks much more realistic, this was a new system that will only get better

    Point 4 In game talk. I laughed when I saw this, if you want to tell someone “nice goal” just switch on your mic and tell them? and if you dont own a mic get ne for £9.99 if you really want to communicate online which you clearly seem to want to.

    Point 5 hype? How you can dislike something because of hype is nuts and honestly ignorant tbh

  215. Rishi says:

    pes is sexy

  216. Hussain says:

    You do realise PES is way better than FIFA?
    Why is this even being debated?
    PES is so realistic it’s unreal, FIFA is good too don’t get me wrong but ultimately the problem is its more of a friends v friends game, it’s not good for career mode/season mode, PES did decline after PES 2004 but the game engine and the player Ai is surreal way better than FIFA, and for the comment I’m still unbeaten online and in career mode on FIFA it’s not easy but I haven’t lost. Superstar mode is just too much?….
    FIFA is good what’s wrong with it PES makes up and what’s wrong with PES, FIFA makes up, meaning they’re both as good as each other in their own way, but I’d rather play PES. PES 2013 looks like a big contender for FIFA 13 btw I honestly think the PES era is on a return.

  217. Hussain says:

    And the celebrations on PES 2012 ARE EPICCCCCCCCCCCCCCC I REST MY CASE

  218. john carter says:

    fifa better then pes

  219. xavier says:

    fifa 12 suck pes have better teams more nations ligs like uefa champion and libertatores and that what makes it better then fifa 12 know is time to see ive fifa 13 comes out better then pes 13 with i dont think so

  220. anon says:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VW7ghR-orbA

    watch that and then tell me FIFA has better physics and ai

  221. Young Luciano says:

    I stopped playing PES from PES 2009 and never picked up a pro again. I loved FIFA 12 but it does get boring extremely quickly the only thing that people play is ultimate team and online and even that kinda sucks. Career mode is fun but is rubbish because it always crashes, and just has repetitive news and updates, so many top players dont have faces and look nothing like their real appearances, transfers that will never happen, happen, customization is crap, no matter how much you try to make your player look realistic he’ll always look like all the other players with no faces on the game, no new boot updates at all, Shit EA Servers always disconnecting having to pay for features that are already in the game WTF??? so wait you have to pay for online, pay for ultimate team, pay for creation center unlike PES who give you free boots updates, free kit updates ect, unlockables for customization and you wanna back FIFA looool.

    In PES 2012 you can buy cool new hairstyles with in game coins that you earn from playing. Unlike FIFA 12 if they release news boots you would probably have to pay a lot for them. PES in general gets new boots updates at the times you actually start seeing real life players wearing the new boots unlike FIFA who put last seasons boots in their latest game because they cant be bothered to add them in their current game FACT.

    I got bored of FIFA12 and decided to buy PES 2012 which i didn’t think was good but believe me PES has been completely transformed. PES 2012 Football Life/Become A Legend is amazing and shits on FIFA 12 and probably FIFA 13′s career modes/be a pro modes. There’s cut-scenes showing your created player signing for new clubs, cut-scenes showing interviews by the press, cut-scenes showing you winning personal trophies, cut-scenes of you getting advice from your agent, cut-scenes off your team in the dressing room getting told what to do by the manager. Look at all that fucking realism and tell me FIFA’s better. The gameplay has also been improve greatly, the dribbilings amazing, the passing amazing ect. Oh yeah also when you play become a legend it shows how many fans you have, theres also pictures of your player playing in games hes played throughout his career, so you can look back and remember when you used to play for a certain club ect.

    In FIFA 12 When you win cups you just get a shitty cut-scene of your players holding a crappy cup for like 20 seconds. On PES its dramatic when you win trophies with life like scenes, players jumping on each other, hugging ect showing realistic emotions and it makes you feel as if you’ve actually achieved something.

    PES career mode/become a legend also shows scenes of your team in training doing press ups, kicking balls ect. Also PES has way better celebrations than FIFA 12. In FIFA 12 the celebrations suck lets face it, players getting stuck and shit its fucked up. In PES players have impressive dancing celebrations, crowd celebrations ect unlike FIFA.

    People need to stop hating on PES and look at FIFA. I know that FIFA has brought you stress with crashes, disconnecting, paying for stuff that should be free, loosing your career mode save because of crashing in FIFA 11 AND FIFA 12. People need to appreciate the realism that PES have brought to their games, they do it for you the fans and you throw it in their face, PES has fucking endless features compared to all FIFA’s. All EA & FIFA care about is money, they are fucking lazy cunts and they know you idiots are so brainwashed to thinking that PES sucks that you’ll just buy FIFA every year knowing that the features are probably just gonna be the same…..WAKE UP DICKHEADS AND BUY PES AND NO MORE WILL YOU SEE YOU FAVORITE PLAYERS FACELESS. OR EVEN BETTER JUST STICK TO FUCKING FIFA JUST DONT CHAT CRAP ABOUT PES UNLESS YOU FUCKING PLAY IT AND EVERY FUCKING FEATURE IN IT.

  222. nasser says:

    I,like pse2012 , Only because,I am using , not anything

  223. bradman905 says:

    the thing that makes it even harder to decide which is better is licenses, purely because FIFA can get Prem and all the other leagues in the world, but they dont have Champions League, Europa League, Liberadores and other cups, also in PES you can download updates which include new content such as boots. In PES you can move players freely in Team Management to your liking unlike FIFA. To be honest this will seem stupid and impossible but imagine FIFA and PES combining to create a super football game, you would get the licenses and kit details as well as stadiums and gameplay from FIFA and you would get face graphics, champions league and other tournaments

  224. You can only be kidding me says:

    OMG , you can only be kidding me . PES 2012 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< FIFA 12
    Pes 2012 really suck's , goalkepper's are the worst thing , every shot from the side is goal , LOOOOOL ,
    Finesse shot in pes 2012 ? Pleasee man , loool
    Drible ? SUCK'S
    Shot ? Big Faiiiil
    graphics ? ok pes is better
    But fifa is MUCH better …

    • Anon says:

      I have played fifa since the start and have just started playing pes and have to say I find pes more realistic.

      Yes fifa has better graphics but the gameplay in pes is far more superior. Here are a few examples…

      1. In pes you can get subbed in become a legend when either your player is tired or if your manager thinks you are playing rubish, in fifa you can’t get subbed at all in be a pro.

      2. You get tasks you have to complete in game to keep the manager or fans happy.

      3. You get to pick desired clubs you would like to play for and sign a contract with a different team if they want you and leave when transfer window opens

      4. It has champions league ect.

      Also just playing a game in pes feels more realistic, your team-mates make alot more runs when on and off the ball than fifa and every game is different and less predictable than fifa. I also find that fifa is a lot easier than pes, in fifa I could play on world class and still get past all players from half way line and score a goal where as pes I go on a much easier level and find it much more difficult. I still do like fifa just because of the actual graphics and licensing of teams but find it gets very boring after a couple of hours where as pes I can keep playing.

      .

  225. Bruno says:

    that is the most idiot argument that i ever read…
    you should learn more kid..
    PES better game play? IN YOUR DREAM!!
    PES is so unrealistic, only kids buy that game

  226. ivanz says:

    I love PES(KONAMI) than FIFA(EA SPORTS)…I played both of these greatest football games in my pc for more than five years,but this PES is very close to my heart than this popular FIFA..!

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