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US World Cup disaster exposes USSF, FOX Sports and MLS: World Soccer Talk Podcast

World Soccer Talk is the weekly soccer podcast on the topic of watching soccer on TV, online and apps.

In the NEW episode, number 47, Kartik Krishnaiyer and Christopher Harris cover a range of topics including:

• How FOX Sports reported on one of the biggest weeks in US Soccer history,

• Our experiences with YouTube TV and whether it’s a winner for soccer fans,

• Latest TV rights news for Serie A and LaLiga, as well as

• Our thoughts on Facebook Live’s latest coverage of the UEFA Champions League.

• Plus feedback and questions from you in the Listener Mailbag section.

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  1. Oliver Tse

    October 21, 2017 at 1:53 am

    One thing mentioned in the podcast: Serie A has switch its international TV rights broker in languages other than Italian from MP & Silva to IMG.

    Translation: Serie A rights in the US can no longer be arranged via “private banking” at the likes of “Flooz ‘R’ Us” in Liechtenstein, as they have been done in recent years at significantly above market value

    I would not be surprised if Serie A rights in English in the U.S. ends up with BAMTech, which means a new ESPN OTT paid subscription app will replace beIN Sports USA as the new rightsholder.

    beIN Sports USA is coming right up to its anticipated expiration date of December 22, 2022.

  2. Oliver Tse

    October 20, 2017 at 2:43 pm

    My educated “projection” for FOX’s lineup of talent for 2018 Men’s World Cup and 2019 Women’s World Cup:

    2018 Men’s World Cup

    Commentary teams:

    1. John Strong and Landon Donovan (based in Moscow; on site for around 50% of matches, with the rest off monitor from IBC. Will call opening match and final.)

    2A. John Paul DellaCamera and Brad Friedel (may start from LA before traveling to Russia to call quarterfinal and semifinal #1 on site)

    2B. John Paul DellaCamera and Aly Wagner (based in Moscow, will call 3rd place match ONLY off monitor from IBC.)

    3. Jorge Perez-Navarro and Mariano Trujillo (based in Moscow, will call all Mexico matches through the Round of 16, and possibly the quarterfinal if Mexico were to advance.)

    4. Glenn Davis and Stuart Holden (based in either The Woodlands, Texas or LA, calling matches off monitor. Davis and Holden both live in Houston so FOX can save money by having call matches from its Technical Operations Center in The Woodlands instead so that they can live at home while they work every other day.)

    5. Mark Followill and Cobi Jones (based in LA, calling matches off monitor)

    6. Mark Rogondino and either Brian Dunseth or Tony Meola (based in LA, calling matches off monitor.)

    Studio shows:

    Mornings: Kate Abdo, Eric Wynalda (could be cut if he were to run against Landon Donovan for US Soccer Federation president and lose), guests TBD

    Pre-match/half-time: Rob Stone, Alexi Lalas, Aly Wagner, guests TBD

    Evening “infotainment” show: Fernando Fiore, Alexi Lalas, Aly Wagner, guests TBD

    Not making the cut: Ross Fletcher, Ross Dyer, Keith Costigan, and Ian Joy (because David Neal does NOT want British accents on the air); Jenny Taft (her position was eliminated when the USMNT failed to qualify; FOX already has Maria Komondnaya, Grant Wahl, and Francisco X Rivera available as sideline reporters.

    Women’s World Cup France 2019

    Projected FOX Sports match commentators:

    1. John Paul DellaCamera and Aly Wagner (based in France)
    2. Jenn Hildreth (from NWSL Lifetime and SEC ESPN Network) and TBD (based in LA)
    3. Lisa Byington (from Big Ten Network; formerly NWSL Chicago Red Stars pxp) and TBD (based in LA)
    4. Kate Scott (from PAC 12 Networks), Ann Schatz (from PAC 12 Networks and NWSL Portland Thorns), or John Strong and TBD (based in LA)

    Match analyst candidates: Danielle Slaton, Kyndra de St. Aubin, Kate Markgraf, Cat Whitehill, Heather Mitts,

    Studio analyst/pundit: Leslie Osborne and TBD (Heather O’Reilly is in the mix, though she has the option to work for a British outlet as she is based in London.)

    Kelly Smith is not likely to return to FOX Sports, as she will likely work for a British outlet (along with Kim Little.)

    Monica Gonzales is switching languages from English to Spanish (she has already called UEFA Champions League on FOX Deportes and 2016 U-20 Women’s World Cup on Universo) and she is expected to be on the #1 commentary team at Telemundo Deportes, teaming up with the legendary Andres Cantor.

    • rkujay

      October 21, 2017 at 7:04 am

      “Educated’. I like that one.

  3. Tibor

    October 20, 2017 at 11:21 am

    I would like to see Tim Howard to be on TV more after he ends his career. Great ManU , Everton and World Cup career .

    • Oliver Tse

      October 20, 2017 at 11:37 am

      Tim Howard wasn’t very good when he was on NBCSN as a studio pundit a few years ago.

      The next ex-USMNT player to get a studio pundit gig will be MLS Atlanta United VP of Soccer/Technical Director Carlos Bocanegra, who played for Fulham of EPL and was team captain of USMNT during 2010 World Cup. Boca is a LOCK as a pundit for UEFA on truTV starting August 2018. If you watched HON-USA and TTO-USA on beIN Sports USA, then you will know what Turner Sports will be getting with Boca: straight-forward analysis with not a whole lot of controversy. Turner has 4 possible options as host of UEFA on truTV: CNN International World Sport anchors Kate Riley, Patrick Snell, Don Riddell; Atlanta United host Brittany Arnold.

      Jermaine Jones is a name that I continue to keep an eye on.

      • Oliver Tse

        October 20, 2017 at 11:40 am

        At least 5 women from the current USWNT pool will be in demand as pundits or match co-comms once they hang up their boots:

        Megan Rapinoe
        Carli Lloyd
        Alex Morgan
        Christen Press
        Julie Ertz

        FOX Spors gave Rapinoe an audition as a guest studio pundit during post-match of USA-KOR on FS1 on Thursday night. Keep an eye on Rapinoe going forward.

  4. Oliver Tse

    October 20, 2017 at 8:50 am

    Hate to call out Kartik for not doing research and having blind spots again before doing a podcast.

    Lalas and Holden were ALL OVER FS1 on October 11, the day AFTER the USMNT WCQ debacle.

    FS1 talk show host Colin Cowherd is a big soccer fan. Cowherd hosts two shows on FS1: The Herd (12noon-3pm ET) and Speak for Yourself (6pm-9pm ET).

    Lalas was on BOTH SHOWS, while Stu Holden was on Speak for Yourself.

    Just because Kartik has a sick “man crush” on Sebastian Salazar and Kartik doesn’t watch anything on some nights other than ESPN FC, doesn’t mean Lalas and Holden were asleep on the switch. They were working, just as Taylor Twellman was working and the ESPN FC crew was working.

    The ones who are keeping completely silent are the women who cover men’s soccer in the U.S. as English-language TV broadcasters: Julie Foudy, Aly Wagner, Danielle Slaton, Kate Markgraf, and Kyndra de St. Aubin have said virtually NOTHING.

    Wagner and Markgraf, in particular, are woefully unprepared to play the “game behind the game”.

    Memo to Wagner and Markgraf (and Slaton for that matter): if you don’t like the way Mia Hamm voted as a member of the FIFA women’s player of the year committee (by not shortlisting Sam Kerr), DO SOMETHING CONSTRUCTIVE instead of bitching on Twitter.

    Alejandro Gutman (based in San Francisco, office in North Beach near Fisherman’s Wharf) and Andres Cantor (based in Miami) didn’t like the non-transparent US Soccer players of the year awads so they started an alternative award, the Futbol de Primera Honda Player of the Year award, and invited writers and broadcasters onto the voting panel. I was on that voting panel for 5 years (2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006) and I took my vote seriously without compensation: I watched matches carefully while taking pages of notes.

    • Oliver Tse

      October 20, 2017 at 10:41 am

      Alexi Lalas on The Herd with Colin Cowherd on October 11:

      Stu Holden and Alexi Lalas on Speak for Yourself with Cowherd and Whitlock on October 11:

  5. Oliver Tse

    October 20, 2017 at 2:49 am

    My read (especially to Kartik, who continues to be stubborn, the way I used to be):

    The tidal wave of money that was behind Sunil Gulati is now backing Landon Donovan, the new #1 co-commentator of US Men’s National Team and Men’s World Cup on FOX.

    (Sorry, Stuart Holden, you have been demoted to the #4 team with Glenn Davis. Have fun calling World Cup matches off monitor from the FOX Cable Tech Operations Center in The Woodlands, Texas next summer. No need for Holden or Davis to travel to LA, as they both live in Houston and FOX has the production capability in The Woodlands to have Davis and Holden call World Cup matches from there.)

    Eric Wynalda will be as good as GONE from FOX (and be out of soccer television completely) if he were to run against Donovan. Hope that he can pay for his 6 kids if he has to work as a artificial turf salesman again.

    This business is all about MONEY. The people involved are either glorified pr-st-t-t-s, or glorified p-mps.

    Money is why Reno, TV (market #110) with a rotten inner-city core described as “Compton with lights”, has a USL club playing at a baseball stadium downtown (because Herb Simon says so) and Grand Rapids (TV market #43) will NEVER have one (because the DeVoe family behind AmWay, which controls all other minor league sports teams in that market, will block any attempts by competing ownership groups to build a soccer stadium, as the DeVoes, and only the DeVoes, will get to own minor league sports teams in Grand Rapids.)

    Money is why San Jose lost Earthquakes II to Houston and why Columbus will lose the Crew to Austin.

    Money is why US Soccer unofficially “suspended” Megan Rapinoe for one friendly tournament in February to send a message to her that kneeling down during national anthems is not acceptable (because US Soccer would lose money if sponsors were to pull out.)

    Because Rapinoe wants to be a TV studio pundit after she hangs up her boots in 2020 (and FOX EP David Neal gave her an audition during the post-match show of USMNT-KOR on FS1 at the New Orleans Superdome; check your DVR), Rapinoe is now staying out of potential trouble.

    Julie Foudy and Aly Wagner are both saying out of trouble by saying and Tweeting NOTHING other than calling for change.

    Foudy in particular announced via Twitter that she does not want to run for US Soccer president. Smart move as she cannot use up “strike 3”.

    Foudy already has two strikes against her as both WUSA and WPS failed under her watch and she was the de-facto leader of both failed leagues.

    The failure of WPS was 100% on Foudy as Foudy handpicked her Stanford friend and former Yahoo exec Tonya Antonucci to run WPS. Antonucci, along with Mary Harvey, made the mistake of overspending on Marta by paying a big transfer fee.

    AEG was willing to forgive Foudy for her arrogance prior to the launch of WUSA (recall Foudy said that she didn’t want WMLS and that WUSA was better than MLS; Brandi Chastain pretty much said the same thing; Mia Hamm was completely silent as usual) by purchasing an owner-operator share in WPS, but AEG pulled the plug on the WPS LA Sol after just one season after seeing Antonucci and Harvey mismanage WPS.

    • PayasoTSE

      October 20, 2017 at 7:59 am

      Holy crap you’re getting even creepier bringing up peoples children. So do you have imaginary broadcaster moments, do you pretend you and Ian Darke are good friends, you’re having lunch with John Strong, you and Arlo are text buddies, you have power lunches with executives during the week? Do you pretend those things happen through out your day or do you just make up your bs when you come post on here? Once again please seek professional help, there are free services for those like you available in some states.

      On another note, Chris how in the world can you let this disturbed person continue to post and write for your site?????!?!??!!?!

      • Oliver Tse

        October 20, 2017 at 10:57 am

        I no longer write for Christopher Harris.

        Ever since Christopher chose to stray far from his revised mission of covering “soccer on TV” by taking a “political position” in favor of two NASL owners and against the big money behind the USSF and MLS (i.e. FOX Sports, Nike, Anheuser Busch), I can no longer allow my name on the byline of any article.

        Christopher has blocked me from his Twitter.

        At this point, we have ZERO respect for each other.

        • rkujay

          October 21, 2017 at 7:03 am

          The rest of us have zero respect for the Irwin Corey of footy.

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