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Turbulence (EPL Talk Review Podcast)

I’m not going to apologize for him. I don’t know that I’d necessarily agree with his reasons. I think Oscar is definitely a good player and  a guy that I don’t have a problem with the Chelsea team running through but I think when you have a dialogue with Juan Mata, you’re disposed you need to use them. I think it’s foolishness. It probably is a bit of his ego towards not just Juan Mata but I think also towards Spanish players. We have yet to Cesar Azpilicueta  this year.  That’s one that I’ve been clamoring for since the beginning of the season. He continues to use Branislav Ivanovic at right back. Again Ivanovic had a very good game against Fulhamd but you got to remember, it was against Fulham.

Ivanovic is not the long term right back at this club. Cesar Azpilicueta is the future right back at this club and I think that if this, I guess you could say, phasing out of the Spanish players of a team continues then they’re going to be in a lot of trouble I think.  They’re going to have a lot more issues this season where as it could just be so much easier if he would just come in and maybe compromise a little bit and start using these guys. As we know, Jose Mourinho is not the biggest when it comes to compromise.

Speaker 1: Compromise, yes.

Speaker 4: I’ve heard just one quick theory about this which I don’t necessarily buy but I heard a Chelsea supporter in the last 48 hours tell me or last 24 hours tell me that he thinks it’s because Jose got such grief from the Spanish media. Got such grief from supporters in Spain, has trashed Spanish football but he decided once he got to Chelsea that the three Spanish players were expendable to him because he had such a grief about that now about how he was treated in Spain, which it’s human psychology. If that’s the case, if it’s true, you can condemn Mourinho for not being bigger than it but we’re all humans.  Maybe he has some degree of resentment and perhaps a lot of it’s justified because Madrid supporters are ridiculous.

Speaker 1: I find it hard to continue that but, yes, I guess there’s the school of thought. I’m not part of that though …

Speaker 3: No, I’m not part of that school of thought either but I’m just say that that’s out there now.  People are saying …

Speaker 1: Yes and it’s wearing rainbow laces. Incidentally, maybe if we want to support internationalism we should be encouraging some sort of UNICEF flag. Surely the laces can become some sort of great advertising campaign in general anyway, with or without Paddy Power. I’m just wondering, laces, it’s the next big thing. Maybe some of the footballers wouldn’t do it because they have those ones that tie themselves, you know. Did ever you have those when you were a kid?

Speaker 3: No I didn’t have money when I was a child.

Speaker 1: Right.

Speaker 3: It must be nice. What’s it like living out there with the top 1%, Lawrence?

Speaker 1: I tell you what Morgan, it’s great looking down on you [inaudible 01:02:38].

Speaker 3: Yes, you must mean Velcro laces.

Speaker 1: No I don’t mean Velcro laces. I mean those laces which literally they just kind of they tighten. Like they just…

Speaker 4: Yes, they’re the ones where he clap his hands and one of his maids would come out and tighten his laces.

Speaker 3: Yes.

Speaker 1: Exactly and I wouldn’t have to look down.

Speaker 4: Back to the Future 2, those shoes. Okay, yes.

Speaker 1: Exactly.

Speaker 2: Lawrence took the advice don’t look down on people too literally. That’s why they were self tying. He never saw the staff get in and do it for him.

Speaker 1: I thank gentle, gentle, Magda for that. In the final part of the EPL Talk Podcast, on the World Soccer Talk, we’re going to be talking breaking news, Breaking bad possibly for Paolo Di Canio.

Speaker 1: Not an accusation that he is some sort of a meth dealer. I would imagine if he didn’t get work sometimes soon things can get a little tricky. After the three nil mawling away from home to West Brom. Matt, the [inaudible 01:03:44] has been tapped.

Speaker 2: Yes, yes he has.

Speaker 1: Initial thoughts?

Speaker 2: I’m there, I’m going to take you behind – no. If you saw the reaction [inaudible 01:03:59] on Saturday after the game, it’s more of a party. Honestly, I’m not sure, I’m still processing it. I’m still – it sounds quite emotional.  I just think that, on one hand, he’s not been over very long. He’s bought in a load of new players and been given a kick five games into the new season and it just seems a bit short, a bit silly. On the other hand, there’s the fact that we have 13 games, he’s won two of them. He’s got one point from five games this season and things have not been going well and his behavior just in general has been a bit odd [inaudible 01:04:50]

Speaker 1: For someone in such a position of responsibility.

Speaker 2: Yes, I think when he came there was – I honestly believe and I know this [inaudible 01:05:02] as well that [inaudible 01:05:02] last season. Part of the [inaudible 01:05:09] comes in does an excellent-ish kind of job and motivated the players and we [inaudible 01:05:17] and they stay up, excellent job done.  To then bring all this new players, they restructured the club [inaudible 01:05:24] huge, huge cultural changes at the club. This isn’t just a change of manager, this was a change of culture within the club. It’s really important that the people understand that. Then things just go – well it didn’t go wrong, it just never get going.

The performances have been a bit lacking in something, there’s been moments where they look very good but then there have been overwhelming moments were things have gone very badly. The defense [inaudible 01:05:56]  stupid goals after looking secure for large parts of games and going forward they haven’t looked threatening enough. They’ve created sort of decent half chances [inaudible 01:06:08] but they’ve never really gone and been able to completely take the game to teams. Year after that the stuff about criticizing players in public and then just the bizarre nature of what he did in the end of the game yesterday and going over to the fans. He was just sort of trying to let them know that he understands that they’re angry and it’s his fault and stuff.  It just never seemed to work and I just don’t think that some of the fans quite took to him. As soon as the things started to go a little bit sort of haywire and wrong, that was it. They turned very quickly, very, very quickly.

Speaker 1: Kris you’ve been quite vocal about your – well just after the sacking on the Sunday on a Sunday as you say, how selfish. Just in general, the overall situation at the club has been a little bit bizarre. What’s it been like to be covering that?

Speaker 2: Exactly as you said, it’s been bizarre. I think I’ve said that the tactics were his perhaps biggest failing because playing a loose 4-4-2 with so many new faces was always going to be a recipe for disaster. I can help but feel that his consistently inconsistent management was also a problem, and not just to say but also it’s actually witness. I mean Cabral is probably the best embodiment of that, he signed – I spoke to someone who covers Barsel and he said “Look, he’s very basic in the field. Can stop the ball, pass it five yards brilliant.” He starts [inaudible 01:07:43] in central midfield but actually plays really well and Di Canio justifies letting him [inaudible 01:07:47]  go because he says Cabral’s his top midfielder.

Really confusingly after about two games he drops Cabral and then proceeds to say that Cabral is now bottom choice behind even Ced Lossner in central midfield. Lossner obviously had been a right midfielder.  It’s things like that you think well where is the consistency. I know it was described as management by hand grenade but I think it was just management without forethought was a better way of putting because…

Speaker 1: The worst combination of hand grenade and the lack of full thought.

Speaker 2: I just never saw any kind of consistent strategy with what he was doing. Hanging players out to dry and things like this in public. We’ve seen with Mourinho in particular, he forges this also against the world mentality with his squads. I fell like there was an us and them mentality in some the squad but the us was Di Canio and his coaching staff and to them was the players. When you’ve got language barriers and these kind of issues.  He talked about that as well. The fact that players couldn’t really understand even very basic phrases like “squeeze up” and they had to be simplified to just up. You think that if anything, he wouldn’t want to criticize his [inaudible 01:09:09] in there because you’re trying to fester a unity and a harmony between those players. Yet I fell like in criticizing John O’Shane, even Criticizing Cabral, it just fractured the squad off into little pieces.

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  1. Jake

    September 25, 2013 at 8:30 am

    Long time listener, first time poster. Just wanted to point out Kris’ silence during the Ramsey/Piers Morgan discussion. I actually am a big fan of his analysis, but towards the end of last season, I remember a number of his articles on Soccernet advocating for Ramsey’s dropping/sale.

  2. Kartik Krishnaiyer

    September 24, 2013 at 11:47 am

    Good point Adam Heap.

  3. Adam Heap

    September 24, 2013 at 7:01 am

    I love listening to this podcast, but sometimes I wish you guys would all show a little support for the sides you follow! Kartik, you could hardly have sounded less enthusiastic about how well your club played in the derby (in spite of their history in derby matches, I know) – we all know which teams the presenters are backing, show some love for them every now and again – we know you need to be unbiased but supporters can’t help but love our clubs!

    • Jake

      September 25, 2013 at 8:27 am

      I dont think Morgan holds anything back…

      • Morgan Green

        September 25, 2013 at 4:55 pm


  4. Kartik Krishnaiyer

    September 23, 2013 at 5:27 pm

    I thought I mentioned Marshall but perhaps not. In fact I don’t know if I was called upon during this game, but it was late and we were trying to get the pod done. Lloris could have been sent off for that handball, as we saw a similar call last week. I don’t think Cardiff played with ten men behind the ball the entire game having now watched the full 90. Cardiff at times in the second half played a higher line and kept the ball.

    If you feel we don’t cover Spurs closely enough or are too biased towards Arsenal (an accusation you and some other Spurs fans have made towards me which conveniently ignores that Arsenal has finished ahead of Spurs for 17 consecutive seasons and with that they have earned some deference when compared to Spurs)we’d love to have you come on the podcast. Your points are well taken on this game. But understand with PSG-Monaco the biggest game of the weekend was on at 2:55 as was Milan-Napoli and having some other items to complete I didn’t get a chance to watch the game as closely as I would like before the pod. I have now watched it entirely. I also think this win indicates Spurs are a likely top 3 team as they have fared better than Everton and Man City (both outside the top 3 right now in my estimation) in South Wales. In fact this result gives Spurs more points in South Wales than City has in three trips to the area the last 3 seasons so that counts for something.

    Again, apologies. We try our best but sometimes it’s not good enough I suppose. If you want to help us with prep or even coming on in the future to discuss Spurs that’d be great!

    • Balboa77

      September 23, 2013 at 8:34 pm

      Dust on the podcast is a must listen for me. I am convinced “Dust” is a combination of people yelling at a computer screen while one person types. MAKE THIS HAPPEN!

      • Dust

        September 23, 2013 at 9:30 pm


    • Dust

      September 23, 2013 at 9:29 pm

      Thanks both of you for responding…

      I don’t think you are anti spurs, it’s a good example of a game that didn’t have the review it should’ve…

      I check back in every now and again, to see what changes (if any) there are to the coverage, esp with the changes on the site.

      Anyways…Thank you for asking, if time allows I’d be interested.

      • jtm371

        September 23, 2013 at 9:37 pm

        do it it would be EPIC!

        • dust

          September 24, 2013 at 12:57 pm

          Im happy to do it, Chris reached out for the king interview. If at some point they want it to happen i’m sure they will reach out, they have a million and one things going on.

      • COYS_USA1

        September 24, 2013 at 12:17 pm

        If Dust cant do it I would love to be on the pod

        • Balboa77

          September 24, 2013 at 8:58 pm

          No one invited you.

  5. Dust

    September 23, 2013 at 4:50 pm

    It sounded like no one watched the Spurs game, here are some talking points from the game oh…and it was Naughton was at left back, not Vertonghen.

    Cardiff’s keeper played out of his skin, he was peppered with shots and some how kept them out. It was complete domination by spurs…

    Cardiff no17 holding Lloris arm as the corner came in while another player used Dawson as human ladder for the disallowed goal they had.

    Lloris handled the ball on the edge (started on the line but handled it over the line too) of the 18m, after another dodgey back pass from Naughton.

    The football Spurs played was very very good, Cardiff had to play with 10 men behind the ball for 80 minutes.

    Lamela made the difference when he came on, as a very tired Cardiff couldn’t cope with his trickery and runs between them, yes Holtby played his part and did well.

    I can’t believe its co-incidence that when I choose to listen its only then that the summary of non major games are so poor.

    Cardiff’s keeper absolutely deserved a mention after putting on a performance similar to YL for WHIFC Paulinho & Dembele were sublime.

    Conceding 1 goal in 8 games (5 in BPL) for Spurs and scoring 16 best defensive record in BPL. And yes that’s quite an achievement with Dawson at the back.

    Contributors to the pod in the u.s have access to the games On Demand within an hour or so of them finishing, maybe I’m crazy, but perhaps someone from WST on the pod should watch, and then report.

    Just a thought.

    • Christopher Harris

      September 23, 2013 at 4:58 pm

      To be fair, the Tottenham match was being played at the same time as the biggest match of the weekend. Damn the Europa League!

      I’m sure a lot of people were watching the Arsenal-Stoke match instead of the Palace-Swansea one, too 😉

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