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Turbulence (EPL Talk Review Podcast)

Male: [Crosstalk 0:40:42.9]

Speaker 1: I can see your point, Morgan.  I also think …

Speaker 4: He’s not supposed to be that guy. When Suarez is there, Suarez is the guy that’s involved in the play, involved in the build-up. Sturridge is the finisher. He’s the guy making the runs and playing off of Suarez. He’s had to do a little more with Suarez out of the team. I think that changes starting Wednesday.

Speaker 3: It could, again, I just think that if having Daniel Sturridge as your lone guy is not the way to go. I think that if Liverpool did end up selling Luis Suarez in this past window as it was talked about for so much, I think they would have been in a lot of trouble because as the season would have gone on, Sturridge would have been found out and it would have been a long year for Liverpool.

Male: They would’ve [crosstalk 0:41:27]

Speaker 2: Sturridge is the first Liverpool player in the Premier League history score in the opening four games of their season.

Speaker 1: In the Premier League history, we realize how…

Speaker 2: Sorry.

Speaker 1: We realize how much that means. Yes, whatever.  Yes, Liverpool’s illustrious Premier League history.

Speaker 2: I was thinking, if you look things about [inaudible 0:41:50].  He’s in good company.

Speaker 1: Yes, he is in good company. Vincent Company, someone we’ve been giving enough credit to in the Manchester United section, noted. Yes, interestingly so but I would imagine as they go on, Morgan, then your bitterness will be unrequited.

Speaker 3: We’ll see. Time will tell.

Speaker 1: Yes, okay. Well, someone who sometimes is painted as the bitter part of Mercyside, Everton, untrue but Kartik, you were rather impressed by this Everton team and an impressive performance, they put in as well.

Speaker 4: Maybe the happy side of Mercyside because they’re not always whining about past success and current failures.

Speaker 3: That’s a topic for another discussion.

Speaker 4: A lot of my great friends are Everton supporters so I will defend them to the death. Best football team around. No, not quite, not quite, not literally of course but I was very impressed with them in this game. The resiliency, I thought, when McCarthy came in and Lukaku came in as well but especially, the midfield changed. That gave Ross Barkley all kinds of space.  As Morgan noted before, [inaudible 00:43:02] we were talking Barkley, draw both the fouls that led to [inaudible 0:43:06.]

Speaker 3: Both very stupid fouls too, to be honest.

Speaker 4: Well, yes, that’s right.  The space opened up for them and you see now, with McCarthy, with Barry, with the wide players, Marallas and Pienaar, how they can play in midfield and how the shape is going to work. Also, with Barkley and Barkley potentially, playing off of Lukaku, how well that worked also in the second half of the game. That was good. Everton looks like a topside right now. I don’t know if it’ll last but they have not gotten off to the slow start that became so typical when David Moyes was the manager. That’s another thing to say about Manchester United. Moyes always got off, not always, but more often than not, got off to slow starts at Everton. As far as West Ham is concerned in this game, I think they’ve just been unlucky to this point but you have to be a little bit concerned that they lost at home to both Stoke and Everton. Those were the types of matches they did not drop last season.

Speaker 2: Well, this is interesting. I guess if you’re arguing that Everton are  improved sides, you might be able to allow them that one. In sporting intelligence, they think that Everton [inaudible 00:44:20] keeps looking better and better. Getting Lukaku for such a small amount, obviously, making a profit and, of course, keeping Leighton Baines. Morgan, you are stunned at different points by the wonderful free kicks of Leighton Baines.  You, in particular, commenting the most but Matt, Jussi Jaaskelainen somehow got us out of a number of difficult situation this season, I think.  He [inaudible 00:44:43] this time. He didn’t have a backend but he wasn’t quite the superhero that he has been so far this season. Without him, West Ham could quite easily have well, I don’t know if they’d have lost every game but they wouldn’t have the points they’ve got now that Jussi Jaaskelainen this season.

I don’t think he was particularly at fault for any of the goals. Potentially, the first free kick and the positioning was slightly suspect and Leighton Baines did actually pickup on that.  In his interview after the game as well he said that he saw the positioning on Jaaskelainen  [inaudible 00:45:24] thought that the last time he [inaudible 00:45:28] it was open for a shot. The question mark’s there but free kicks of that quality, you just don’t stop them, especially the second one. It was absolutely superb. It’s great because Baines’s on my fantasy team [inaudible 00:45:45] for the podcast.

Male: [Inaudible 00:45:46]

Speaker 1: Do you not think of just standing someone on the post?

Speaker 2: I’ve often thought about that or instead of having you all 10 yards away, just put your wall on the goal line.

Speaker 1: Yes, I often think this. I know that offside, it’s quite a difficult one but still.

Speaker 2: It’s impractical but just on another note with Everton, Romelu Lukaku was the difference between the teams. He changed the game when he came on [inaudible 00:46:16], completely changed the game beyond recognition because West Ham would’ve been aside in the first half as far as I’m concerned. He came on and everything just seemed to gel. He just seemed to be the perfect player for the system that Everton were playing and he became sort of the pivotal player and allowed Barkley basically extra freedom to run in behind players, run at players which is what drew the fouls and from which Spain scored. Lukaku just seems to go from strength to strength. The bravery showed [inaudible 00:46:49] it was actually superb. He did everything that you could ask a lone striker to do. He was big, strong, quick, mobile and God fearing.

Speaker 1: Technically conscientious.

Speaker 2: Yes. As a lone striker, as a modern lone striker, he has all the attributes and he consistently, now, beginning to show that.

Speaker 1: Somewhat of a forerunner in the modern lone striker role, Matt. You just defined the new kind of footballer.

Speaker 2: I’m a …

Speaker 4: Groundbreaker.

Speaker 1: Trendsetter, groundbreaker’s trendsetter, fire starter although I believe that we have to tell the police different.

Speaker 2: I can’t do that anymore.

Speaker 1: Obviously, Everton face Fulham in the Capital One Cup later this week. Why is that such a composition to pronounce, I don’t know? Christen, something about cups and priorities early on in this season. With both Everton and Fulham facing very long seasons obviously and we were talking about this earlier about the longevity of the side throughout the season, being found out with the number of games. These games do bear more significance than just someone throwing them away, really, don’t they?

Speaker 2: I think Fulham and Everton are going very different directions to begin with. I think Fulham are potentially in a lot of trouble actually. I’ve discussed this a few times. I’ll not go back over it but for Everton it could be a nice sort of supplement to a really good season in the league and a the chance for them to perhaps give minutes to those free players who aren’t getting first team opportunities. I think at the minute, the first eleven for Everton, looks incredibly strong. I don’t see Jelavic dislodging Lukaku unless something unfortunate happens to him on the injury front. Whereas, I guess, for Fulham it’s probably a bit more of a hindrance if anything because it’s more games and the last round, they really squeaked through.

Bryan Ruiz was incredible, look at the score, the penalty and the way you get off the post and off the keepers, backstroke, backside. Again, I guess, in some ways, the cup games, they can be a help or a hindrance because they can, if you’re in good form, gives you a great chance to test those plays. If you‘re in bad form, then it can really compound the misery, as we’ll probably see with Sunderland this week when they welcome Peterborough.

Speaker 1: Chelsea, obviously, Fulham’s next – I’m sorry, previous opponent, two-nil. Kartik, earlier in the week, Mourinho had moaned in the media. You were quite forthright and open about criticizing him back.

Speaker 4: Yes, moaned about his players. He implied that anything that happens in the next couple of months with this squad that he’s inherited from Rafa Benitez and Roover or Vivitae and AVV and whoever else has assembled the squad other than the core players that have been with Chelsea since Mourinho [inaudible 00:49:55] are not satisfactory to him.  On top of that, I think that it’s very obvious that Mourinho is looking for some sort of defense mechanism and some sort of way to project blame somewhere else when things don’t go right. We know he had never lost a European or a league match at Stanford Bridge prior to this week. He lost to Basel. It wasn’t like he lost to Real Madrid or event, he lost to Basel. Good club but still, not the kind of result you want from a Chelsea side at home.

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  1. Jake

    September 25, 2013 at 8:30 am

    Long time listener, first time poster. Just wanted to point out Kris’ silence during the Ramsey/Piers Morgan discussion. I actually am a big fan of his analysis, but towards the end of last season, I remember a number of his articles on Soccernet advocating for Ramsey’s dropping/sale.

  2. Kartik Krishnaiyer

    September 24, 2013 at 11:47 am

    Good point Adam Heap.

  3. Adam Heap

    September 24, 2013 at 7:01 am

    I love listening to this podcast, but sometimes I wish you guys would all show a little support for the sides you follow! Kartik, you could hardly have sounded less enthusiastic about how well your club played in the derby (in spite of their history in derby matches, I know) – we all know which teams the presenters are backing, show some love for them every now and again – we know you need to be unbiased but supporters can’t help but love our clubs!

    • Jake

      September 25, 2013 at 8:27 am

      I dont think Morgan holds anything back…

      • Morgan Green

        September 25, 2013 at 4:55 pm


  4. Kartik Krishnaiyer

    September 23, 2013 at 5:27 pm

    I thought I mentioned Marshall but perhaps not. In fact I don’t know if I was called upon during this game, but it was late and we were trying to get the pod done. Lloris could have been sent off for that handball, as we saw a similar call last week. I don’t think Cardiff played with ten men behind the ball the entire game having now watched the full 90. Cardiff at times in the second half played a higher line and kept the ball.

    If you feel we don’t cover Spurs closely enough or are too biased towards Arsenal (an accusation you and some other Spurs fans have made towards me which conveniently ignores that Arsenal has finished ahead of Spurs for 17 consecutive seasons and with that they have earned some deference when compared to Spurs)we’d love to have you come on the podcast. Your points are well taken on this game. But understand with PSG-Monaco the biggest game of the weekend was on at 2:55 as was Milan-Napoli and having some other items to complete I didn’t get a chance to watch the game as closely as I would like before the pod. I have now watched it entirely. I also think this win indicates Spurs are a likely top 3 team as they have fared better than Everton and Man City (both outside the top 3 right now in my estimation) in South Wales. In fact this result gives Spurs more points in South Wales than City has in three trips to the area the last 3 seasons so that counts for something.

    Again, apologies. We try our best but sometimes it’s not good enough I suppose. If you want to help us with prep or even coming on in the future to discuss Spurs that’d be great!

    • Balboa77

      September 23, 2013 at 8:34 pm

      Dust on the podcast is a must listen for me. I am convinced “Dust” is a combination of people yelling at a computer screen while one person types. MAKE THIS HAPPEN!

      • Dust

        September 23, 2013 at 9:30 pm


    • Dust

      September 23, 2013 at 9:29 pm

      Thanks both of you for responding…

      I don’t think you are anti spurs, it’s a good example of a game that didn’t have the review it should’ve…

      I check back in every now and again, to see what changes (if any) there are to the coverage, esp with the changes on the site.

      Anyways…Thank you for asking, if time allows I’d be interested.

      • jtm371

        September 23, 2013 at 9:37 pm

        do it it would be EPIC!

        • dust

          September 24, 2013 at 12:57 pm

          Im happy to do it, Chris reached out for the king interview. If at some point they want it to happen i’m sure they will reach out, they have a million and one things going on.

      • COYS_USA1

        September 24, 2013 at 12:17 pm

        If Dust cant do it I would love to be on the pod

        • Balboa77

          September 24, 2013 at 8:58 pm

          No one invited you.

  5. Dust

    September 23, 2013 at 4:50 pm

    It sounded like no one watched the Spurs game, here are some talking points from the game oh…and it was Naughton was at left back, not Vertonghen.

    Cardiff’s keeper played out of his skin, he was peppered with shots and some how kept them out. It was complete domination by spurs…

    Cardiff no17 holding Lloris arm as the corner came in while another player used Dawson as human ladder for the disallowed goal they had.

    Lloris handled the ball on the edge (started on the line but handled it over the line too) of the 18m, after another dodgey back pass from Naughton.

    The football Spurs played was very very good, Cardiff had to play with 10 men behind the ball for 80 minutes.

    Lamela made the difference when he came on, as a very tired Cardiff couldn’t cope with his trickery and runs between them, yes Holtby played his part and did well.

    I can’t believe its co-incidence that when I choose to listen its only then that the summary of non major games are so poor.

    Cardiff’s keeper absolutely deserved a mention after putting on a performance similar to YL for WHIFC Paulinho & Dembele were sublime.

    Conceding 1 goal in 8 games (5 in BPL) for Spurs and scoring 16 best defensive record in BPL. And yes that’s quite an achievement with Dawson at the back.

    Contributors to the pod in the u.s have access to the games On Demand within an hour or so of them finishing, maybe I’m crazy, but perhaps someone from WST on the pod should watch, and then report.

    Just a thought.

    • Christopher Harris

      September 23, 2013 at 4:58 pm

      To be fair, the Tottenham match was being played at the same time as the biggest match of the weekend. Damn the Europa League!

      I’m sure a lot of people were watching the Arsenal-Stoke match instead of the Palace-Swansea one, too 😉

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