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Turbulence (EPL Talk Review Podcast)

Speaker 1: No, I’m sorry. Let me rephrase that question. Which relevant people were actually involved in this campaign guys?

Male: [Inaudible 0:32:18.9]

Speaker 1: I’ll rephrase my question. Which relevant actual players were involved in …

Male: [Inaudible 00:32:25]

Speaker 1: [inaudible 00:32:26] okay, exactly.

Male: [Inaudible 0:32:29.2]

Speaker 1: Who? Anyone else?

Speaker 4: [Inaudible 00:32:38]

Speaker 1: Yes, but also at the same time and this is part of it is some of the clubs, Morgan, refused to take part, didn’t they? Showing quite outrightly that they’re homophobes, they hate gay people.

Speaker 3: Yes, that’s exactly what you can’t take away from them.

Speaker 1: This leads all the way back to Liverpool earlier in the year, equipping homophobic, racists and anything banned with a list of words that they shouldn’t say. Almost like if you like a bigot checklist.

Speaker 3: Exactly. Yes, there were several clubs that came out just directly and said, “No, you’re not going to do this.”

Speaker 1: They came out?

Speaker 3: Yes, they came out, as well.

Speaker 1: That’s big support.  That’s huge.

Speaker 3: Liverpool is one of them. Manchester United another one that came out and said no. Norwich, even though some of their players did actually go forward with it, Norwich officially said no, South Hampton, Sunderland, [inaudible 00:33:29] …

Speaker 1: Maybe one or two.

Speaker 3: … and West Ham.  To get to the reason why it was No, it’s not because these clubs hate gay people. It’s because, as we have said, it came down to the fact that the whole thing was sponsored by a betting website and that conflicted with sponsors of these clubs. That was the main reason why a lot of these clubs came out and said no. It wasn’t because they’re against gay people. It’s because they were against the sponsorship behind it which honestly, it could have been done a lot better. You shouldn’t really be putting your sponsorship on there. I was listening to a BBC World report on it and they said it was when they shipped them all out all over, it was this certain betting website’s name was just all over…

Speaker 1: [Inaudible 00:34:19]

Speaker 3: I really don’t know. I didn’t know who it was, if it was Paddy Power or not. If it was, then, okay, it was Paddy Power. Yes, it was all over the thing and these clubs got the laces and just said, “No we’re not putting these on because that conflicts with our sponsors.” They could have done it a lot better. I think that they didn’t have to put the company’s name on it. If you want to go ahead and sponsor something like that, you don’t need to put your name on it. It’s one of those gestures that should be done without having to get commercial deals out of it. It could have been done a lot better. Still, I thought it was a very good campaign. I thought it was definitely something different at least.

Speaker 1: I thought it was a lovely idea poorly carried out.

Speaker 3: Exactly.

Speaker 1: I’ll leave it at that. Speaking of lovely ideas poorly carried out, let’s talk about Liverpool-Southampton. Both sides, obviously, playing lovely football this season and Liverpool, one of the unbeaten sides in the Premier League, going into this game. South Hampton visiting Liverpool. With them being the last team that beat Liverpool, I think it was six months ago, Kristan. Pochettino managed to outthink Brandon, yet again.

Speaker 2: Yes, again it’s that trend of last season, South Hampton seemed very good against big sides. I think that’s indicative of the way that Pochettino sets the team up.  The fact that that high pressure, that high line of intensity, it bore itself out in the instance where Martin’s goal flipped his back pass for a throw in and then instantly, South Hampton have turned possession over and they’re on the attack. Now, that’s not obviously where the goal came from. Indirectly from the corner that followed, that’s what got them the breakthrough. I think the difficulty for South Hampton this year is when they’re the bigger team. By that, I mean when they’re at home and aside, I think like [inaudible 00:36:19] week it comes and sets up with the intention of being broken down rather than trying to break down South Hampton.

They leave spaces for teams like South Hampton to exploit. Now, when South Hampton are at home, those spaces don’t exist and I imagine that’s why they thrust Gaston Ramirez into the spotlight and expect him to create an opportunity. He hasn’t done that for whatever reason, I think, because he’s not really suited to the Premier League and it’s fast-paced.  That’s the difficulty and that’s the story [inaudible 0:36:49] I think you’re going to see, I think, with South Hampton this year. A lot of good road performances where these opportunities present themselves but perhaps a frugality at home because of that lack of creativity.

Speaker 1: Liverpool, weirdly, starting this game with four center backs at the back, Kartik, unorthodox, Toure, Skrtle, Agger, Cissokho.

Speaker 4: Yes, Kolo Toure has played right back before. That’s not his referred position obviously, especially this late on his career. I thought that it was difficult for them because you weren’t going to get any width from those fullbacks pushing forward. Obviously, they were exploited down the flanks at times. That kind of forced Rodger’s hand where he brought Agger off and brought Jose Enrique on later to try and give them more normalcy to the back line.  That is not the reason Liverpool lost this game. I know it’s an easy analysis for people who look at that side and say, “Okay, that’s the reason they lost.”

No, in fact, the central midfield didn’t function the way it had in the previous four Premier League fixtures for Liverpool. I thought that Gerrard, I know this is blasphemy but Gerrard had a very poor game, in my opinion in that now a more withdrawn role but he’s playing. If he’s not going to be able to break up plays or control tempo in that role, that’s going to expose your back four which as we said already, was a makeshift back four. I don’t think there was much creativity going forward than Coutinho’s injury. Now, fortunately, this is a one-game scenario for Liverpool. Luis Suarez will be back midweek in the League Cup match at Old Trafford and Coutinho will be back in a few weeks. There’s really one game without a creative spark in that team because Coutinho and Suarez are your two most creative players.

Speaker 1: Is it not worrying Kartik that without those guys, really, when you remove one piece, then the creativity is taken out. I know that…

Speaker 4: [Crosstalk 0:38:56] I think that every team has injuries and every team has suspensions to deal with. I think if you don’t have 10 creative players on a team, you have two or three. That’s the reality and Liverpool has two very good ones.

Speaker 1: Yes, Brendan Rodgers talking about pragmatism as well. I imagine that he would like his side to be a little more pragmatic. I was at [inaudible 00:39:15] Park today, still and saw a very pragmatic Jonjo Shelvey who had left Liverpool for $5 million. Liverpool obviously played Manchester United midweek like Kartik says. Morgan, you said something interesting, when they played Liverpool played Manchester United midweek in the Capital One Cup, you said now, Daniel Sturridge was more like Daniel Sturridge. It might be good for him to have Luis Suarez back.

Speaker 3: Yes, we got to see the real Daniel Sturridge.

Speaker 1: What’s that? Okay, you bitter Chelsea twist …

Speaker 4: As opposed to the fake one we’ve been watching for nine months …

Speaker 1: Yes, [inaudible 00:39:55]

Speaker 3: Exactly. I think, again, Kartik I know you watched Daniel Sturridge while he was at City. I obviously watched him a lot when he was at Chelsea and I just feel like he’s not the guy that you want to have things running through. He’s a decent striker but I don’t think that he’s as good as a lot of people, especially a lot of people at Liverpool, have built him up. If you look at the games this year where he scored, yes, he’s popped up, he’s had some amazing luck, he’s done some brilliant things.

Speaker 1: He’s got three on three.

Speaker 4: Four on four.

Speaker 3: Again, for the most part, where has he been the rest of the match other than for a five-minute stretch?  He’s anonymous for most of the match. Unless he get …

Speaker 4: That’s the way most of these strikers are.  I hear Manchester City fans talk about how great Sergio Aguero is. That’s one of my criticisms with Aguero. People say that about van Persie.  That’s not a …

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  1. Jake

    September 25, 2013 at 8:30 am

    Long time listener, first time poster. Just wanted to point out Kris’ silence during the Ramsey/Piers Morgan discussion. I actually am a big fan of his analysis, but towards the end of last season, I remember a number of his articles on Soccernet advocating for Ramsey’s dropping/sale.

  2. Kartik Krishnaiyer

    September 24, 2013 at 11:47 am

    Good point Adam Heap.

  3. Adam Heap

    September 24, 2013 at 7:01 am

    I love listening to this podcast, but sometimes I wish you guys would all show a little support for the sides you follow! Kartik, you could hardly have sounded less enthusiastic about how well your club played in the derby (in spite of their history in derby matches, I know) – we all know which teams the presenters are backing, show some love for them every now and again – we know you need to be unbiased but supporters can’t help but love our clubs!

    • Jake

      September 25, 2013 at 8:27 am

      I dont think Morgan holds anything back…

      • Morgan Green

        September 25, 2013 at 4:55 pm


  4. Kartik Krishnaiyer

    September 23, 2013 at 5:27 pm

    I thought I mentioned Marshall but perhaps not. In fact I don’t know if I was called upon during this game, but it was late and we were trying to get the pod done. Lloris could have been sent off for that handball, as we saw a similar call last week. I don’t think Cardiff played with ten men behind the ball the entire game having now watched the full 90. Cardiff at times in the second half played a higher line and kept the ball.

    If you feel we don’t cover Spurs closely enough or are too biased towards Arsenal (an accusation you and some other Spurs fans have made towards me which conveniently ignores that Arsenal has finished ahead of Spurs for 17 consecutive seasons and with that they have earned some deference when compared to Spurs)we’d love to have you come on the podcast. Your points are well taken on this game. But understand with PSG-Monaco the biggest game of the weekend was on at 2:55 as was Milan-Napoli and having some other items to complete I didn’t get a chance to watch the game as closely as I would like before the pod. I have now watched it entirely. I also think this win indicates Spurs are a likely top 3 team as they have fared better than Everton and Man City (both outside the top 3 right now in my estimation) in South Wales. In fact this result gives Spurs more points in South Wales than City has in three trips to the area the last 3 seasons so that counts for something.

    Again, apologies. We try our best but sometimes it’s not good enough I suppose. If you want to help us with prep or even coming on in the future to discuss Spurs that’d be great!

    • Balboa77

      September 23, 2013 at 8:34 pm

      Dust on the podcast is a must listen for me. I am convinced “Dust” is a combination of people yelling at a computer screen while one person types. MAKE THIS HAPPEN!

      • Dust

        September 23, 2013 at 9:30 pm


    • Dust

      September 23, 2013 at 9:29 pm

      Thanks both of you for responding…

      I don’t think you are anti spurs, it’s a good example of a game that didn’t have the review it should’ve…

      I check back in every now and again, to see what changes (if any) there are to the coverage, esp with the changes on the site.

      Anyways…Thank you for asking, if time allows I’d be interested.

      • jtm371

        September 23, 2013 at 9:37 pm

        do it it would be EPIC!

        • dust

          September 24, 2013 at 12:57 pm

          Im happy to do it, Chris reached out for the king interview. If at some point they want it to happen i’m sure they will reach out, they have a million and one things going on.

      • COYS_USA1

        September 24, 2013 at 12:17 pm

        If Dust cant do it I would love to be on the pod

        • Balboa77

          September 24, 2013 at 8:58 pm

          No one invited you.

  5. Dust

    September 23, 2013 at 4:50 pm

    It sounded like no one watched the Spurs game, here are some talking points from the game oh…and it was Naughton was at left back, not Vertonghen.

    Cardiff’s keeper played out of his skin, he was peppered with shots and some how kept them out. It was complete domination by spurs…

    Cardiff no17 holding Lloris arm as the corner came in while another player used Dawson as human ladder for the disallowed goal they had.

    Lloris handled the ball on the edge (started on the line but handled it over the line too) of the 18m, after another dodgey back pass from Naughton.

    The football Spurs played was very very good, Cardiff had to play with 10 men behind the ball for 80 minutes.

    Lamela made the difference when he came on, as a very tired Cardiff couldn’t cope with his trickery and runs between them, yes Holtby played his part and did well.

    I can’t believe its co-incidence that when I choose to listen its only then that the summary of non major games are so poor.

    Cardiff’s keeper absolutely deserved a mention after putting on a performance similar to YL for WHIFC Paulinho & Dembele were sublime.

    Conceding 1 goal in 8 games (5 in BPL) for Spurs and scoring 16 best defensive record in BPL. And yes that’s quite an achievement with Dawson at the back.

    Contributors to the pod in the u.s have access to the games On Demand within an hour or so of them finishing, maybe I’m crazy, but perhaps someone from WST on the pod should watch, and then report.

    Just a thought.

    • Christopher Harris

      September 23, 2013 at 4:58 pm

      To be fair, the Tottenham match was being played at the same time as the biggest match of the weekend. Damn the Europa League!

      I’m sure a lot of people were watching the Arsenal-Stoke match instead of the Palace-Swansea one, too 😉

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