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Turbulence (EPL Talk Review Podcast)

Speaker 1: Yes, exactly. That mental advantage is something that I imagine that City will be hoping continues throughout the season. Manchester United, still with a long way to go. I guess, Matt, tactically, now the interesting thing is in what they do because last season they were talking about pairing up RVP and Rooney, and Moyes seemed fairly happy to do that. I’m wondering if in many ways that was part of the reason City got away with it today.

Speaker 2: I think, well, obviously, if you lose RVP then the team’s immediately going to be weaker [inaudible 00:24:29] team is playing for. Losing its star striker before the game is not ideal. It’s not just the fact that RVP wasn’t there, it was like Kartik and Chris have touched on, we’ve seen this sort of already throughout this season. It’s the lack of a cutting edge that United seem to have. Even when RVP and Rooney have played, they’ve still not sort of been in a position where they completely dominated the opposition and been able to carve them open at will.

I know they’ve had a difficult start to this season in terms of fixtures, but you’d expect at some point for them to have really clicked and created chances [inaudible 00:25:16] and they haven’t done that. They haven’t looked like they’re going to do that. Actually that was a really poor start to the season; Valencia’s not been effective either.  That whole final third of the pitch for United is a huge worry.  I imagine now with RVP going off injured, it just sort of compounds that and maybe they will be forced to have to maybe try something a little bit different, whether that’s changing shape or just changing personnel, we’ll see.  I would be a bit concerned given, I think, they haven’t scored a goal from open play since the Swansea game on the first day of the season.

Speaker 1: I’ll [inaudible 00:25:51], scoring from open play doesn’t mean anything.

Speaker 4: Lawrence, let me ask you this, as a Liverpool supporter, that game last month, will you as a Liverpool supporter, after [inaudible 0:26:00.5] scored, ever threatened, ever felt like, Manchester United, we’re going to take the game by the scruff of the neck and beat you guys?

Speaker 1: Manchester United never looked good in that match. I think they looked good in the match towards the end …

Speaker 4: [Inaudible 00:26:13]. Maybe not. That’s the point, I think, Matt, Chris and I are all trying to make is that there’s something, even in their body language, even the way they’re reacting on the pitch, there’s something very wrong. Even in the past when they would lose to Manchester City or Liverpool, their two big rivals, there’d be a fight in the United side that was missing in these two losses to their rivals in the last few weeks. There’s something very wrong in just the disposition of the team.

Speaker 1: We’ll talk more about disposition, there were a couple of sides in the Premier League and we will get on to the dispositions of Manchester United probably next weekend and in other podcasts. There are plenty more podcasts though. Morgan and Matthew started – you’ve not started, really, it’s been in the works for a while, but you’ve got a new podcast about gaming. If you’re interested in that, it’s called, Press A to Shoot, Matt.

Speaker 2: It is indeed.

Speaker 1: Some people are confused by that because you don’t actually press A to shoot.

Speaker 2: I know, it’s a clever hint at just how rubbish we both are at video games.

Speaker 1: Right, because I often think hey – when I think of economics, I always think, I’ll go to a child. Then if I think gaming I’ll go to someone who is really good at it.

Speaker 4: I can say, when you’re good enough at FIFA, you can press A to shoot.

Speaker 1: Sure [crosstalk 0:27:32]

Speaker 2: I’m an [inaudible 00:27:37].

Speaker 1: You’re a what?

Speaker 2: I’m kind of an [inaudible 00:27:39] a few years ago, just walk into the net.

Speaker 1: I’ll believe it when I see it.

Speaker 2: I am not an ass.

Speaker 1: Okay. [inaudible 00:27:46]. I see it, not the ass. I’m looking forward to seeing this because there is also going to be a video version of that. Anyway, that’s going to be out at some point. There’ll be screen caps on that. Of course, FIFA 14 is out. PES or P-E-S, as you called it, Morgan, is out. You guys are going to be getting well into that. There’s also [inaudible 00:28:06] on there as well I’m rigth say.  Right?

Male: [Crosstalk 0:28:09]

Speaker 2: Yes, there will be some hilarious role play in there. Then, of course, throughout the week, Kartik is almost constantly interviewing people. I find it hard to keep up as I package these interviews. Anyone good lined up Kartik?

Speaker 3: Yes. Actually, Laurence, I owe an interview which I will send you tonight on David Peace, author of The Damned Utd and now, Red or Dead about Bill Shankly. We talk about Shankly. We talk about [inaudible 00:28:38]. We talk about Shankly. We talk about Joe Fagan. We talk about Bob Paisley a great deal, so great interview. That will be out in the near future. The next interview, I believe, that is going to be released is my interview with Ledley King from last week which, Lawrence, I know you’ve already produced and we’ll release in the next few days.

Speaker 1: It’s a really great listen guys.  Insightful and probably eludes to a lot of what he’s going to cover in his book, the front cover of which I’m looking at right now and he looks beautiful. Ledley King’s a good looking guy and well dressed as well. Kartik, whilst we’re having an a production meeting, I will say, I’m offended that I wasn’t invited to the Bill Shankly interview. I would have quite liked to be there to hear that live but more next time. Yes, it’s okay. You can reply if you want.

Speaker 3: It would have been about 2:00am your time. It was early morning Tokyo time. He lives in Tokyo.

Speaker 1: That is the international nature of the World Soccer Talk podcast. Section two, we’re going to be talking the rest of the Premier League fixtures. Some players across all the leagues, in England at least, this weekend were encouraged to wear rainbow laces Chris. My concern is, isn’t that a bit gay?

Speaker 2: It’s obviously a campaign that can be interpreted in a multitude of different ways. There are some who are quite cynical about it because it’s backed by a batting company. I think there was a leading gay anti-homophobic or [inaudible 00:30:11] and anti-homophobia charity organization that condemned the entire thing, including the advertisements that followed with it for being a bit crass and not entirely befitting the kind of idea. I almost think that really, this is where the Premier League could learn from MLS. The MLS has a company called “Don’t Cross the Line” and it centers not just around homophobias, it’s racism and all kinds of discrimination or prejudice and I think it handles it really well. Again, it’s incredibly rare, be it from both spectators and even players …

Male: To be gay.

Speaker 2: … that you even hear any kind of questionable remarks like that.  If you do in the rare instances that you have seen it from players, they’ve been very swiftly and quickly punished. I think that’s the best way to do. I’m not entirely sure what the idea was behind rainbow colored laces or what it was supposed to symbolize.

Speaker 1: A rainbow is, to take away from the comedy of the ridiculousness  of this situation for a second, is a fag, a rainbow flag …

Speaker 2: Yes, I was aware that perhaps could [inaudible 00:31:28]. I don’t know, it just didn’t seem like the better…

Speaker 1: You think Putin’s going to sport a pair of them?

Speaker 2: I would imagine he probably wears loafers …

Speaker 1: Good point, although …

Speaker 2: … to avoid this very situation.

Speaker 1: Except that there’s little laces on the front of loafers that you can get. You know what I mean? Like those little kind of toggle things.  I imagine it …

Male: [Crosstalk 0:31:49]

Speaker 1: Lovely Putin rainbow toggles.  Yes, I would imagine if you typed them into Google, you’ll get some interesting results. Who else [inaudible 0:31:58] campaign

Male: [Crosstalk 00:31:59]

Speaker 1: Joey Barton’s obviously the main face of this. He was seen lacing up his nice Adidas boots on pretty much every website for a couple of days.

Speaker 2: Well, he said he was doing it.  He’s in the championship so he’s not even [inaudible 00:32:12].

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  1. Jake

    September 25, 2013 at 8:30 am

    Long time listener, first time poster. Just wanted to point out Kris’ silence during the Ramsey/Piers Morgan discussion. I actually am a big fan of his analysis, but towards the end of last season, I remember a number of his articles on Soccernet advocating for Ramsey’s dropping/sale.

  2. Kartik Krishnaiyer

    September 24, 2013 at 11:47 am

    Good point Adam Heap.

  3. Adam Heap

    September 24, 2013 at 7:01 am

    I love listening to this podcast, but sometimes I wish you guys would all show a little support for the sides you follow! Kartik, you could hardly have sounded less enthusiastic about how well your club played in the derby (in spite of their history in derby matches, I know) – we all know which teams the presenters are backing, show some love for them every now and again – we know you need to be unbiased but supporters can’t help but love our clubs!

    • Jake

      September 25, 2013 at 8:27 am

      I dont think Morgan holds anything back…

      • Morgan Green

        September 25, 2013 at 4:55 pm


  4. Kartik Krishnaiyer

    September 23, 2013 at 5:27 pm

    I thought I mentioned Marshall but perhaps not. In fact I don’t know if I was called upon during this game, but it was late and we were trying to get the pod done. Lloris could have been sent off for that handball, as we saw a similar call last week. I don’t think Cardiff played with ten men behind the ball the entire game having now watched the full 90. Cardiff at times in the second half played a higher line and kept the ball.

    If you feel we don’t cover Spurs closely enough or are too biased towards Arsenal (an accusation you and some other Spurs fans have made towards me which conveniently ignores that Arsenal has finished ahead of Spurs for 17 consecutive seasons and with that they have earned some deference when compared to Spurs)we’d love to have you come on the podcast. Your points are well taken on this game. But understand with PSG-Monaco the biggest game of the weekend was on at 2:55 as was Milan-Napoli and having some other items to complete I didn’t get a chance to watch the game as closely as I would like before the pod. I have now watched it entirely. I also think this win indicates Spurs are a likely top 3 team as they have fared better than Everton and Man City (both outside the top 3 right now in my estimation) in South Wales. In fact this result gives Spurs more points in South Wales than City has in three trips to the area the last 3 seasons so that counts for something.

    Again, apologies. We try our best but sometimes it’s not good enough I suppose. If you want to help us with prep or even coming on in the future to discuss Spurs that’d be great!

    • Balboa77

      September 23, 2013 at 8:34 pm

      Dust on the podcast is a must listen for me. I am convinced “Dust” is a combination of people yelling at a computer screen while one person types. MAKE THIS HAPPEN!

      • Dust

        September 23, 2013 at 9:30 pm


    • Dust

      September 23, 2013 at 9:29 pm

      Thanks both of you for responding…

      I don’t think you are anti spurs, it’s a good example of a game that didn’t have the review it should’ve…

      I check back in every now and again, to see what changes (if any) there are to the coverage, esp with the changes on the site.

      Anyways…Thank you for asking, if time allows I’d be interested.

      • jtm371

        September 23, 2013 at 9:37 pm

        do it it would be EPIC!

        • dust

          September 24, 2013 at 12:57 pm

          Im happy to do it, Chris reached out for the king interview. If at some point they want it to happen i’m sure they will reach out, they have a million and one things going on.

      • COYS_USA1

        September 24, 2013 at 12:17 pm

        If Dust cant do it I would love to be on the pod

        • Balboa77

          September 24, 2013 at 8:58 pm

          No one invited you.

  5. Dust

    September 23, 2013 at 4:50 pm

    It sounded like no one watched the Spurs game, here are some talking points from the game oh…and it was Naughton was at left back, not Vertonghen.

    Cardiff’s keeper played out of his skin, he was peppered with shots and some how kept them out. It was complete domination by spurs…

    Cardiff no17 holding Lloris arm as the corner came in while another player used Dawson as human ladder for the disallowed goal they had.

    Lloris handled the ball on the edge (started on the line but handled it over the line too) of the 18m, after another dodgey back pass from Naughton.

    The football Spurs played was very very good, Cardiff had to play with 10 men behind the ball for 80 minutes.

    Lamela made the difference when he came on, as a very tired Cardiff couldn’t cope with his trickery and runs between them, yes Holtby played his part and did well.

    I can’t believe its co-incidence that when I choose to listen its only then that the summary of non major games are so poor.

    Cardiff’s keeper absolutely deserved a mention after putting on a performance similar to YL for WHIFC Paulinho & Dembele were sublime.

    Conceding 1 goal in 8 games (5 in BPL) for Spurs and scoring 16 best defensive record in BPL. And yes that’s quite an achievement with Dawson at the back.

    Contributors to the pod in the u.s have access to the games On Demand within an hour or so of them finishing, maybe I’m crazy, but perhaps someone from WST on the pod should watch, and then report.

    Just a thought.

    • Christopher Harris

      September 23, 2013 at 4:58 pm

      To be fair, the Tottenham match was being played at the same time as the biggest match of the weekend. Damn the Europa League!

      I’m sure a lot of people were watching the Arsenal-Stoke match instead of the Palace-Swansea one, too 😉

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