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Turbulence (EPL Talk Review Podcast)

Fast and furious. That was just Paulo. As Sunderland become the first team of the season to sack their manager, the pod take a look at where Sunderland can go from here. Who would you like to see as Sunderland Manager in the near future? Do they have good options? After all that reform, why get rid of a man who has only started on the next chapter?

Elsewhere, Sir David faced Pelle and only one side could came of the pitch looking satisfied with the result. Manchester was blue for the weekend. Noise, seemed to be coming back over the garden fence. Sir Alex will be having words…

LFC lost their unbeaten run whilst Spurs have only conceded one goal in the league this season. Newcastle crash and break their Hull whilst Swansea put on a masterclass of how to play Premier League football. It’s time to Talk World Soccer; World Soccer Talk; Talk Soccer, World:

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Kristan: @kheneage

Matt: @mattcrduncan

Morgan: @Morgan_Green

Laurence: @lozcast

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Laurence: Welcome back to the EPL Talk podcast and World Soccer Talk, and actually it’s been a really good weekend of European football, it’s in great health. Spain, Lionel Messi scored 322 goals, one less than Real Madrid’s all-time top goal scorer, Raul. Kartik, that shocked you, didn’t it?

Speaker 2: I was stunned. I thought it was an error when you put it in our pre-pod production notes.

Speaker 1: No, absolutely no error. Is that going to annoy Raul or what does that show, that’s what I’m trying to work out.

Speaker 2: [Inaudible 0:00:34] Messi’s greatness because Raul was truly great even though there are still elements of Real Madrid’s fandom as well as Spain’s fandom that do not appreciate Raul’s qualities and virtues.

Speaker 1: Yes, at some point he was somewhat of an outcast figure in the same way that Balotelli has been at different points in Italy. Pepe Reina in the Napoli-Milan game or the Milan-Napoli game, producing an excellent save, well, a very good save to stop his – was it 27th penalty, Morgan?

Speaker 3: I believe it was his 27th, yeah.

Speaker 1: Pepe Reina looks so happy with that and of course Napoli went on to win that one, didn’t they?

Speaker 3: Yes. You know that he had to know going into it that Balotelli was on that nice, hot streak there. To do that, he gave him a little extra fist bump, especially considering the fact that he probably played against him in the primary league as well. That’s always a good sign. Good for Pepe Reina. Good for Rafa too.

Speaker 1: Napoli and Roma both at the top of the league, aren’t they Kartik, but you seem to think that, I think, Napoli have the advantage on this one.

Speaker 2: Right. I guess you’ve been reading my tweets. Roma has done very well, [inaudible 0:01:42.5] brilliant today in the Derby against Lotzio, The Capital Derby. I just think that they don’t have enough depth. Midfield’s hurt with Michael Bradley’s injury, which could be a few more weeks. I think Napoli has more squad than people appreciate and Rafa’s got them well organized. Mazzarri left him a good squad and he added it to it with the additions, particularly, from Real Madrid over the summer.

Speaker 1: If there is to be believed that Rafa only needs a 22-man squad to win the league, Real Madrid possibly needing a little bit more. One of Rafa’s old clubs obviously. [Inaudible 00:02:20] Matt Bale injured in the Madrid warm-ups so he didn’t get to make his home debut.  “What did we spend all that money for if he’s going to get injured?,” they said in Madrid.

Male: Yes. Well, they that for about 20 minutes until Ronaldo kind of reminded then that well I’m still here and I’m quite good.  [Crosstalk 0:02:38]. Ronaldo’s second goal was just delightful [inaudible 00:02:46].

Speaker 1: I don’t watch enough of – I don’t really care about Ronaldo that much.  Finally, of course, Chris, the two superpowers now, if they can be described that, in League One. PSG won, Monaco won a really good advertising campaign for League One.

Speaker 2: Yes, “El Cashico”…

Speaker 1: Yes.  Oh, very good.

Speaker 2: Yes, as it can be [inaudible 00:03:11].  It was a very [inaudible 00:03:15] game, I thought. Not the best advert for League One because I think it is a good league overall, but that’s perhaps what’s going to happen when you have such a high level of talent clashing. We see it in the premiere week, as well, [inaudible 00:03:27] the top teams.

Speaker 1: Do you mean cancelling each other out in a sense?

Speaker 3: Yeah. I would just point out the two managers in this match. Opening of the game was [inaudible 00:03:37] but Ranieri and Blanc – [inaudible 00:03:41] my column tomorrow morning on World Soccer Talk – both are very tentative [inaudible 00:03:45].  Once it was 1-1, they got past half time; I think both wanted a point. PSG pushed a little more towards the end of the match, but I think both were happy to just take the point and move on, not drop this game. Similar to what we saw with Mourinho and Moyes earlier in the season in England.

Speaker 1: Well, speaking of the English Premier League, let’s get back to that. If you want to put an “El Cashico” on the map then it’s definitely gonna be Man City versus Manchester United.  I saw one person tweeting out how disappointing it was that classic capitalism didn’t overcome new age capitalism. Kartik, in many ways, the new age capitalism really did win out here. Man City, I think we can describe them as rampant.

Speaker 3: Rampant, yes. It was certainly based on this data point, this evidence. Rampant, very, very tidy, very good, Manchester City and maybe more questions need to be asked about David Moyes’ squad selection and some of the tactical mistakes he seems to have made before the match and then compounded during the course of the match. Manchester City has beaten Manchester United by these sorts of score lines in Derbys previously, in times when Manchester City was fighting relegation and Manchester United were trying to win the league .So being a Manchester City supporter, having seen these sort of derby victories before, I am withholding judgment on Manchester City. Have to start getting results away from home. Can’t be dropping points to card it and those sorts of sides. We’ll learn a lot more about City next week at Villa Park. To get a full three points there that says something. If they drop points, that also says that Manchester City are not quite a title contender. I’m not convinced at this point.

Speaker 1: Kris, Kartik did put this caveat on in many ways and he put it pre-match, protecting his back side, if you like, that if City did lose or Manchester United did lose, how much we can actually take away from it considering out early years et cetera.  At the same time, that’s a couple of games where Moyes has been outthought by another manager in what is a Top 8 clash. We’re talking about his difficult start here. He’s had the clash with Mourinho, he’s had the clash with Rodgers and now he’s had the clash with Pellegrini and all three of them he hasn’t managed to come out on top really.

Speaker 2: Yes and I think Pellegrini is perhaps the most prominent in terms of being cast as a tactical thinker and someone who is very good at the detail. I was most surprised, almost, by his use of Fellaini because, again, this is a player he’s supposed to know very well. This is a player who you could argue Moyes cultivated his career and his rise to prominence in the Premier League yet he seems to want to deploy in that role that I’ve never been sold on seeing Fellaini in, which is far deeper. Now, again, he did start there a standing as a defensive midfielder for obvious reasons because he’s 6-foot, massive and built like an outhouse. It’s not where you get the most benefit from him and I think contained within that selection choice is arguably a microcosm for the problems that have been David Moyes is the tactical, as you say, there’s just a lot of questions that on a small, minute tests he seems to be repeatedly failing.

Speaker 1: I guess this is the problem isn’t it.  These are tests that are being set, not by – he’s not setting himself these tests. We’re setting him these tests, aren’t we Chris? I say we. Do you see that? Do you see what I mean by that? Really, [crosstalk 00:07:19] reason for his thinking, for leaving Kagawa out the side so permanently and so predominantly as well, considering how often people reference his influence.

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  1. Jake

    September 25, 2013 at 8:30 am

    Long time listener, first time poster. Just wanted to point out Kris’ silence during the Ramsey/Piers Morgan discussion. I actually am a big fan of his analysis, but towards the end of last season, I remember a number of his articles on Soccernet advocating for Ramsey’s dropping/sale.

  2. Kartik Krishnaiyer

    September 24, 2013 at 11:47 am

    Good point Adam Heap.

  3. Adam Heap

    September 24, 2013 at 7:01 am

    I love listening to this podcast, but sometimes I wish you guys would all show a little support for the sides you follow! Kartik, you could hardly have sounded less enthusiastic about how well your club played in the derby (in spite of their history in derby matches, I know) – we all know which teams the presenters are backing, show some love for them every now and again – we know you need to be unbiased but supporters can’t help but love our clubs!

    • Jake

      September 25, 2013 at 8:27 am

      I dont think Morgan holds anything back…

      • Morgan Green

        September 25, 2013 at 4:55 pm


  4. Kartik Krishnaiyer

    September 23, 2013 at 5:27 pm

    I thought I mentioned Marshall but perhaps not. In fact I don’t know if I was called upon during this game, but it was late and we were trying to get the pod done. Lloris could have been sent off for that handball, as we saw a similar call last week. I don’t think Cardiff played with ten men behind the ball the entire game having now watched the full 90. Cardiff at times in the second half played a higher line and kept the ball.

    If you feel we don’t cover Spurs closely enough or are too biased towards Arsenal (an accusation you and some other Spurs fans have made towards me which conveniently ignores that Arsenal has finished ahead of Spurs for 17 consecutive seasons and with that they have earned some deference when compared to Spurs)we’d love to have you come on the podcast. Your points are well taken on this game. But understand with PSG-Monaco the biggest game of the weekend was on at 2:55 as was Milan-Napoli and having some other items to complete I didn’t get a chance to watch the game as closely as I would like before the pod. I have now watched it entirely. I also think this win indicates Spurs are a likely top 3 team as they have fared better than Everton and Man City (both outside the top 3 right now in my estimation) in South Wales. In fact this result gives Spurs more points in South Wales than City has in three trips to the area the last 3 seasons so that counts for something.

    Again, apologies. We try our best but sometimes it’s not good enough I suppose. If you want to help us with prep or even coming on in the future to discuss Spurs that’d be great!

    • Balboa77

      September 23, 2013 at 8:34 pm

      Dust on the podcast is a must listen for me. I am convinced “Dust” is a combination of people yelling at a computer screen while one person types. MAKE THIS HAPPEN!

      • Dust

        September 23, 2013 at 9:30 pm


    • Dust

      September 23, 2013 at 9:29 pm

      Thanks both of you for responding…

      I don’t think you are anti spurs, it’s a good example of a game that didn’t have the review it should’ve…

      I check back in every now and again, to see what changes (if any) there are to the coverage, esp with the changes on the site.

      Anyways…Thank you for asking, if time allows I’d be interested.

      • jtm371

        September 23, 2013 at 9:37 pm

        do it it would be EPIC!

        • dust

          September 24, 2013 at 12:57 pm

          Im happy to do it, Chris reached out for the king interview. If at some point they want it to happen i’m sure they will reach out, they have a million and one things going on.

      • COYS_USA1

        September 24, 2013 at 12:17 pm

        If Dust cant do it I would love to be on the pod

        • Balboa77

          September 24, 2013 at 8:58 pm

          No one invited you.

  5. Dust

    September 23, 2013 at 4:50 pm

    It sounded like no one watched the Spurs game, here are some talking points from the game oh…and it was Naughton was at left back, not Vertonghen.

    Cardiff’s keeper played out of his skin, he was peppered with shots and some how kept them out. It was complete domination by spurs…

    Cardiff no17 holding Lloris arm as the corner came in while another player used Dawson as human ladder for the disallowed goal they had.

    Lloris handled the ball on the edge (started on the line but handled it over the line too) of the 18m, after another dodgey back pass from Naughton.

    The football Spurs played was very very good, Cardiff had to play with 10 men behind the ball for 80 minutes.

    Lamela made the difference when he came on, as a very tired Cardiff couldn’t cope with his trickery and runs between them, yes Holtby played his part and did well.

    I can’t believe its co-incidence that when I choose to listen its only then that the summary of non major games are so poor.

    Cardiff’s keeper absolutely deserved a mention after putting on a performance similar to YL for WHIFC Paulinho & Dembele were sublime.

    Conceding 1 goal in 8 games (5 in BPL) for Spurs and scoring 16 best defensive record in BPL. And yes that’s quite an achievement with Dawson at the back.

    Contributors to the pod in the u.s have access to the games On Demand within an hour or so of them finishing, maybe I’m crazy, but perhaps someone from WST on the pod should watch, and then report.

    Just a thought.

    • Christopher Harris

      September 23, 2013 at 4:58 pm

      To be fair, the Tottenham match was being played at the same time as the biggest match of the weekend. Damn the Europa League!

      I’m sure a lot of people were watching the Arsenal-Stoke match instead of the Palace-Swansea one, too 😉

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