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The Grey Matters (EPL Talk Review Podcast)

When it comes to colours in football red and blue have to be the dominating shades. Especially this weekend, but grey is the subject this week as all of the grey areas in football seem to be expanding. To discuss that, the pod look at the Anfield Rap; London Calling; and Gunner revivals in the FA Cup. But don’t let that get you down. Liverpool beat United at Anfield, but the supporting cast stole the show…

Also, as the transfer window closes again, the pod find it hard to get excited about any transfer rumours and wonder if Mourinho would come back to England so soon. Carroll might hope he can still get that move out…

Of course, we preview all of the games this week and pick out the crunch points with so many ties happening in midweek. Equally looking forward to getting some EPL action back after so much cup chirping. Tweet along with the podcast and give us your views for the next show:

EPL Talk: @epltalk

Kartik: @kkfla737

Jesse: @jessechula

Kristan: @kheneage

Matt: @mattcrduncan

Laurence: @lozcast

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  1. Savory

    January 31, 2012 at 12:07 pm

    Wow, that was a very bitter podcast from EPL Talk, particularly Kartik. Seems like fans should be able to boo anyone they want to. Evra didn’t particularly have a lot of friends at Anfield before this stuff happened. Of course, rascist behavior or chants should not be tolerated in any way whatsoever. Just like the manchester fans shouldn’t be able to sing songs suggesting that more people should have died at Hillsborough or allegedly pissing on the monument. Fans that behave that way should be arrested and banned for life. I’m glad the club stood up for Suarez, but I think they could have handled it with more tact and there is a time when contrition is needed.

  2. Greg Bradley

    January 31, 2012 at 6:14 am

    Kristan –
    fair enough mate. Taken in isolation it’s not at all pleasant, I agree. You guys are not stupid so I’m not going to labour any point here. I too am glad both this game is over and will be when the league game in OT is also done with.
    Good luck with the podcasting too.

  3. Kristan

    January 31, 2012 at 12:22 am

    I should stress I never said Evra was booed because he was black. He was booed because of his involvement in the Suarez debate. That’s what I took umbrage with.

  4. Greg Bradley

    January 30, 2012 at 7:12 pm

    Hi Guys,
    Lads you can do better than that eh ? Cut the populist bullsh*t.
    Do you honestly think Evra was booed because he was black ? (Ergo all Liverpool supporters are racist ?)
    So why was he booed? Yeah.
    Even if, kartik, people are unable to make up their own minds as to the nuances of this situation (which they most certainly can), and it is the club that leads all “the sheep” to do what they did then why did the club make such a stand ? Think about it. However much distaste Kenny might have for MUFC, Alex Ferguson etc he’s hardly going to do what he did, and what’s more the American owners (who have no such emotional baggage) are certainly not going to support him if they did not believe, believe what ? In my opinion they believe Suarez was effectively stitched up ergo Evra did not tell the truth.
    Now I agree that Suarez should not have used any word that could be construed to have racial connotations. If it is against FA rules to refer to race/colour then however nuanced the reference he is guilty of that and that’s that.
    However he admitted this straight out, do you for one moment think he would have done this if he thought he was actually racially abusing a black player? Are you mad ? The opportunity to tease this out and deal in a measured manner with Suarez and help integrate foreign players as well as educate both players and clubs was there.
    However, once the original charge was made by Evra and Ferguson with the word “nigger” referred to, Suarez was cooked. Too many people and organisations, including the FA, in my opinion, had too much to gain all the way down the line by running with this. It was actually a very flawed case upon which to make a very correct and just stand, mores the pity.

    The devil is in the detail. Did ye read the report ? Did it make plain simple logical sense ?
    For (just) one thing, not one single instance of the 10/7/5 … let’s make it 7 (eh Patrick) times he claimed Suarez abused him was corroborated by anyone. Not any Man U player, not the ref, not any other player, no camera and not a single supporter with all their phones. The only player who said he said anything was Suarez himself ! and that was one time only.

    Kartik, to say that Kenny and the Club have used Suarez as a pawn in a vendetta against MUFC is, in my opinion, ridiculous.

    The club let him down through not preparing him and educating him in the first place, just as they did in the way they defended him.
    The club let itself down in the way they left all of this to be handled by Kenny Dalglish. It let itself down in how it responded to the media situation. The club did not handle this well and ended up feeding the lions all the way along.
    It showed itself to be naive and ill-prepared on many levels. It is to be hoped that it gets it’s act together pronto.

    It is a sorry tale of opportunism and ineptitude where truth got left behind by a lot of people a long time ago, again, in my opinion. It has been a circus, with a cartoon villain.

    I’m wiped now so I’m off. Just like to add that I really do enjoy your podcast in general. I actually really enjoy your analysis Kartik eventho’ I disagree with some of it. I like your take on many things but you annoyed me big time on this. I won’t stop listening tho’ and everyone has their own opinion.
    Keep up the quality work Laurence and Kartik.

    • JC

      January 30, 2012 at 10:58 pm

      I’m obviously not one of the guys on the podcast, but I’ll answer your first question and share my opinion. Do I think he was booed BECAUSE he is black (Ergo all Liverpool supporters are racist)? No, I think he was booed AND he is black. There’s a huge difference, and that’s why I found the whole thing uncomfortable to watch. Had it been what you asked, I would have been outraged, as no doubt most others would have too. I described it as despicable in another thread and that’s probably an over reaction. What bothers me is that it was inappropriate because he was the victim and I think there was an opportunity for the supporters to drop the issue due to its sensitive nature. They didn’t, it made me uncomfortable, and I agree with the sentiment on the podcast that by the end of the game, I was just glad it was over.

  5. Harold Nicol

    January 30, 2012 at 2:08 pm

    Sour grapes Kartik…I don’t condone the racist chants (these perpetrators are idiots, not real fans), but booing is part of the game. Come on and get real. Talk about the game. The players played very fair and did not abuse Evra. I thought it was a very good game with goals by Agger, Park and Kuyt were excellent. Only one yellow card…so a fair game.


    • Laurence

      January 30, 2012 at 4:05 pm

      Hey Harold,

      I agree that we needed more football chat in the first section. LFC had some stand out performances…the game was fair but the booing wasn’t. Booing a black player after a trial involving racism in which he was found to be the victim? Whether there are more details in the context of the case or not, it’s pretty distasteful. I’m just wondering what you think.

      Apart from that it was a good game, Liverpool played very well and impressed me with their resilience yet again.


      • John

        February 1, 2012 at 2:16 am

        I was in the Kop for the match. We did not booed other black Manc players. Evra was booed because he lied about boy Suarez last time around at Anfield.

        • Laurence McKenna

          February 2, 2012 at 7:38 am

          Hi John,

          Nice to see some Kopites on the site. Where do you stand?

          He didn’t lie. Suarez admitted what he said…that doesn’t make him racist. No one of the podcast said that the people booing were racist or booing because he was black. There were huge question marks over why he was booed though. Especially as Suarez was found to have used offensive language, whether he meant to or not.

          Lemme know what you think.



  6. Harold Nicol

    January 30, 2012 at 2:00 pm

    Liverpool to go to the FA Cup final and win!

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