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Differences Between FOX & CBS World Cup Qualifying Coverage

In the NEW episode, number 234, hosts Christopher Harris and Kartik Krishnaiyer cover a range of topics including:

• How much progress is the US team making,
• News about beIN SPORTS being added to a streaming service,
• The stark differences between CBS’s and FOX’s World Cup Qualifying coverage,
• FIFA’s plans for a World Cup every 2 years,
• Could Paramount+ and Peacock consider a joint bid for Premier League?
• And your feedback in the Listener Mailbag segment.

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69 Comments

  1. Fechin Attuah

    September 15, 2021 at 11:23 am

    I mean Wartner/Discovery and even Amazon is interested yikes.

  2. Fechin Attuah

    September 15, 2021 at 11:17 am

    I hope in the next podcast the premier league rights will be talked about since NBC, CBS, ESPN and Warner media are all interested.

  3. Ra

    September 14, 2021 at 6:23 pm

    @Karl Based on the latest number released, streaming accounted for 16.7% of their revenues (1H21), excluding licensing and theatrical. 1799 divided by 1799+4778+4182. Page 2 of the document that is available at:
    https://ir.viacomcbs.com/static-files/b3819913-0a36-415c-98ea-602cfd2a3f75
    YoY their streaming revenues increased by 79% while advertising grew by 22% and affiliates, 7%.
    That is the story they are telling investors – the future is streaming, the growth is phenomenal and we are uniquely positioned to YadaYadaYada.

  4. Karl

    September 14, 2021 at 5:47 pm

    @Ra When I referred to ViacomCBS as “primarily a cable channel company that happens to own a major movie studio” I was referring to their cable networks (like MTV, Comedy Central, Nickelodeon, Showtime etc.) that still accounted for $3.48B, or 53% of revenue with a whopping 32.4% margin in their most recent quarter compared to $350M of revenue (or 5% of company revenue) for Paramount+. This comparison is muddied somewhat as the company categorizes Paramount+ as part of their “TV entertainment” segment which is essentially just CBS & Paramount+ whereas their other streaming products (Pluto, Showtime OTT, and BET+) are lumped in with the “Cable Networks” segment. The importance of their cable networks (which have global distribution) not to mention the lucrative retransmission fees that “big CBS” stations get from cable companies are why the company wants cable to “die slowly” just like Comcast since they both would be completely F’d if people switch from cable to streaming too quickly.

  5. Michelangelo

    September 12, 2021 at 9:55 am

    The Napoli match was never televised on CBSSN. I’m disappointed about this but at least the match was on Paramount Plus. Did anyone notice the stream for the Napoli match was glitching during the second half or was it just my internet connection. Forza Napoli ragazzi. We need more matches on CBSSN and also more Italian SAP option games since yesterday there was no option for any of the matches. Any suggestions?

  6. Ra

    September 11, 2021 at 5:34 pm

    Suarez should bite someone again to make LaLiga more interesting…

  7. Ra

    September 11, 2021 at 3:06 pm

    My guess at this point is that HBOMax will get the next EPL rights. NBC seems to be taking their foot off the pedal.

  8. Ra

    September 11, 2021 at 3:03 pm

    @dave HBO(Max), Prime video and Discovery are on a shopping spree for important soccer rights in EU and SA. For instance, HBOMax has UCL and select Brasileirao matches in Brazil.
    They must considering properties here as well. It is unclear how much appetite they’ll have.

  9. dave

    September 11, 2021 at 2:55 pm

    @Hans, I would be interested to hear more re “If a network or provider has a large user base, has deep pockets and is successful in the online world, they may want to add sports to their portfolio”. That would make me nervous if I were an existing sports broadcaster. From the other direction, there are few barriers to entry for startups like DAZN to acquire niche rights in the US. A state of flux
    .
    @Fechin, Peacock may have a growing base of disgruntled persons as right now is the first-ever streaming-only Notre Dame home football game. The large ND fan base is learning that Peacock is not free and has commercials. All while live sports on Peacock has been trending as “broken”

  10. Ra

    September 11, 2021 at 2:36 pm

    To me the issue is not the cost. Just offer all games live and don’t be amateurish and I would gladly pay full price.

  11. Fechin Attuah

    September 11, 2021 at 2:24 pm

    I heard problems were at peacock today I only had slight buffers. Now peacock is offering a 50% off deal today I guess for the problems they had today🤣

  12. Ra

    September 11, 2021 at 11:05 am

    @JP I loved the ball control with a back flick on DOR’s second goal.

  13. JP

    September 11, 2021 at 11:03 am

    @Ra, made the right choice with this Dortmund match!!

  14. Ra

    September 11, 2021 at 10:56 am

    Star+ has reporters talking from the field – from the grass. And they have a full half-break show.

  15. Tim Kean

    September 11, 2021 at 10:52 am

    Half time comes and we finally get the Watford game…. Now 15 minutes of nothing!!

  16. Ra

    September 11, 2021 at 10:52 am

    @JP LoL. What a great day of soccer. Watching the Leverkusen game on the big screen and the MUN on my tablet.
    I can finally enjoy EPL without the guilt of giving $s to the bastards at Comcast

  17. JP

    September 11, 2021 at 10:41 am

    @Ra, the passionate defense of Comcast/NBC from MichaelF must be coming soon 😉

  18. Ra

    September 11, 2021 at 10:34 am

    So typical! It reminds me when Comcast was my only internet option. They sc* all the time and couldn’t care less.

  19. Jesus

    September 11, 2021 at 10:29 am

    Peacock has been useless today. I can only get the Brentford-Brighton match and all others are not been shown. Was hoping to watch Leicester-Man C. NBC wants people to subscribe to peacock and when you do it doesn’t work.

  20. Tim Kean

    September 11, 2021 at 10:23 am

    No Watford game yet …. Useless

  21. Ra

    September 11, 2021 at 10:21 am

    The statistics data on Bundesliga is a great! I love statistics!

  22. Mercator

    September 11, 2021 at 10:18 am

    The Arsenal match is now working on Peacock

  23. Ra

    September 11, 2021 at 10:17 am

    @Mercaror What is Astro?

  24. Ra

    September 11, 2021 at 10:14 am

    Oops. Too soon.

  25. Ra

    September 11, 2021 at 10:12 am

    Haaland is heading his way into victory! What a game.

  26. Jesus

    September 11, 2021 at 10:10 am

    Peacock isn’t working for any of the matches excdept Brentford-Brighton. What a shambles! NBC is going downhill very fast.

  27. Mercator

    September 11, 2021 at 10:10 am

    It is working fine on Astro as well it is just Peacock. What is this nonsense, the brentford game works, city wolves and arsenal do not. They have one job, someone take the rights from the clowns at NBC!

  28. Ra

    September 11, 2021 at 10:08 am

    @Mercator It is working great on Star+. It is undeniable that Disney is more professional than Comcast!

  29. Mercator

    September 11, 2021 at 10:03 am

    Unbelievable, the peacock stream isn’t working for Arsenal and for Wolves matches.

  30. Ra

    September 11, 2021 at 9:56 am

    @Bambino Not on ESPN Brasil. They will air Arsenal and don’t offer ESPN2.

  31. Bambino Pons esta aqui

    September 11, 2021 at 9:51 am

    @Ra:

    Man Utd vs Newcastle is on ESPN Dos (ESPN 2) in South America.

    Relatos: Juan Manuel “Bambino” Pons

  32. Ra

    September 11, 2021 at 8:13 am

    And The Man United game is a strar+ exclusive. ESPN there has the opposite priority from Comcast here…

  33. Ra

    September 11, 2021 at 8:00 am

    This is not available in the US, but I’ll share my impressions on Star+.
    Star+ seems to be showing all ESPN content on streaming. All EPL games are available. They are also streaming the Spurs game that is on ESPN Brasil. They offer pause and rewind, but narration is only in PT-BR.
    They Star+ is also better organized than the ESPN app, under a specific ESPN tab. Even more if you consider that they also offer all Hulu-type content.
    They have 3 tabs – movies, tv shows and ESPN.

  34. Rich

    September 11, 2021 at 7:00 am

    @ Fechin Attuah “at least everything is in one place “

    That’s just it: live EPL games aren’t in one place like Serie A, LaLiga, CL and bundesliga.. in addition, something which NBC probably acknowledges as part of their plan, I don’t watch peacock for anything else besides EPL. I’d gladly see that content go to another service that provides multiple means of entertainment.

  35. Hans

    September 10, 2021 at 11:27 pm

    Interesting comments and I appreciate the different viewpoints. I do share the feeling that it appears that Comcast is trying to prune their exposure to certain live sports as it is expensive and not every league or competition is a hit for the masses. The EPL is a niche product, when compared to American Sports, but it has its loyal fans on this site but if Comcast can make a profit on it, or grow Peacock subscribers, because of the limited audience only the Comcast suits know. I do subscribe for Peacock because of their Rugby tournaments and will continue to do so.

    As far as the EPL rights are concerned packages with guidelines as well as bidding requirements have been distributed by the EPL to different parties of interest and either 3 or 6 years have been offered.
    Many here have only looked at the conventional network providers but I detect a shift in who may jump into the bidding game. If a network or provider has a large user base, has deep pockets and is successful in the online world, they may want to add sports to their portfolio. Amazon has rights for the EPL in the UK it may grow their Prime subscribers, Just imagine if Google with their YouTube channel would air all the EPL games is that attractive to them to grow their subscriber base? Only the number crunchers at Google have the answers.
    In the Rugby world I noticed a trend that the EPL investigated in 2018, establishing their own streaming service and at this time it looks like that they are not ready for it yet. However the United Rugby Championship, who in their previous incarnation as Pro14 & Rainbow cup, was broadcast on ESPN+. However, for the 2021/2022 season, starting Sep 24, they have their own streaming service urc (dot) tv
    All this can be problematic for the cable providers and I fully agree with the quote worthy to be repeated by Matt Belloni. former editor of The Hollywood Reporter and an entertainment lawyer:

    “When the epitaph for broadcast television is written, it won’t be streaming video that is credited as the killer; it’ll be the networks’ inability to adapt to an on-demand ecosystem and co-exist with (and even capitalize on) what streaming does well.”

  36. Leo

    September 10, 2021 at 9:47 pm

    I’d love an idea of World Nations League (WNL). It could be short mini tournaments in summers of odd years in neutral host countries scattered across the world:
    2022: FIFA World Cup
    2023: WNL Phase 1
    2024: EURO, Copa America, Gold Cup
    2025: WNL Phase2
    2026: FIFA World Cup
    2027: WNL Phase 1
    2028: EURO, Copa America, Gold Cup
    2029: WNL Phase2

    WNL Phase 1 would be ~10 mini-tournaments across the world of groups of 6 countries (each country would play 5 games).
    G1: Brazil, Albania, Panama, New Zealand, Iran, Congo.
    G2: Germany, Ecuador, Japan, etc.

    G10: Mexico, Colombia, Russia, etc..
    10 winners + 6 runner-ups qualify to the Phase 2. All the games would add to FIFA ranking for seeding purposes. Then in WNL Phase 2: there would be 4 groups of 4 and the Final 4 between the winners of the groups. It wouldn’t have the same value as the FIFA World Cup but would not be irrelevant as friendlies. The ethos should be and open and rapid mini-tournaments. And it would have an importance between Continental cup and World cup. Hope FIFA read this someday.

  37. NaBUru38

    September 10, 2021 at 9:45 pm

    NBCSN had minimal subscriber fees, especially in comparison with USA Network.

  38. dave

    September 10, 2021 at 9:20 pm

    @Ra, ESPN+ currently have revenues of $200 million per quarter ($800 million per year), growing at a good pace. Disney’s DTC business improved profitability from a run rate of losing around $2 billion per year to a run rate of losing around $1 billion per year. Disney have stated that Hulu is profitable, but as far as I know, they do not publicly say how DTC losses split among Hulu Live, Disney+ and ESPN+
    .
    ESPN+ have hefty rights commitments, for example La Liga (a bit over $150 million per year) and UFC (around $150 million per year, split with ESPN). ESPN+ seem to be in both “add content” and “raise prices” mode, a tricky one for any business to navigate. As well, @Karl notes a commitment and investor expectation that all elements of Disney DTC be profitable by 2023. Thus my interest in hearing from @Karl or others with a deeper understanding of the business side of streaming

  39. Ra

    September 10, 2021 at 8:35 pm

    Meant $60/ yr

  40. Ra

    September 10, 2021 at 8:34 pm

    @dave What are you talking about? ‘In God we trust, everyone else please bring the numbers.’.
    If ESPN+ has 10M+ subscribers with ~$60M/you, they are making $600M minimum, before advertising revenues. Are you saying that they are spending much more than that in royalties?

    What I do not understand is why NBC would discontinue NBCSN if they are not scaling down on sports.
    They either want to cut their sporting programming or they are moving it to a predominantly streaming offer. Does anyone has any insights on their strategy? My guess is that they will either pull out of serious bids for the EPL, or they have a completely different vision for Peacock going forward.

  41. dave

    September 10, 2021 at 7:11 pm

    @Karl, enjoyed reading your perspective and would be interested to hear more, Any thoughts on how likely it is for streaming to become sustainably profitable? The bits and pieces I see have some of them in an apparent trap:
    .
    * Spend a lot on original content or licensing content (including but not limited to sports)
    * Price affordably, spend heavily on marketing, see strong subscriber growth
    * Pull back on content and marketing spend and/or raise prices in an attempt to drive margin
    * Subscriber growth flattens (churn, lower sign ups) and targets are missed
    * Rinse and repeat
    .
    It may be easier for Disney+ than, say, Netflix or ESPN+, since Disney family creates tons of content anyway and can massage Disney+ P&L through transfer pricing. Do you see a stable, profitable model for the industry? Shakeout of winners and losers? Low barriers to entry leading to more players?

  42. Ra

    September 10, 2021 at 4:16 pm

    @Karl Good points. I got Star+ to check it out and it is the Disney combo on steroids. It has EPL, Serie A, LaLiga, Eridivise, Ligue 1, Libertadores, Europa League, Formula 1, MotoGP, NFL, NBA, MLS and NHL, For matchday 4, they have all EPL games available. Plus a lot of movies and TV shows.
    I will be able to check more this weekend, but so far, only NFL was available in SAP/English.
    They do not have Bundesliga or ESPN FC. I am not intending on subscribing to Star+ but I wanted to check it out.
    I disagree with your view of Paramount+ and NBC. Paramount+ has is paid a low value/cable subscriber and doesn’t have any cable operation. Comcast is actually largest cable provider in the country. This reflects on how they perceive streaming.
    For Paramount, Paramount+ is a strategic priority along with their other DTC (direct to customer) as PlutoTV. They repeat this in every single quarterly investor call. They also put pretty much their properties in Paramount+ – all soccer, NFL, news, Smithsonian, etc.
    NBC on the other hand seems really worried of cannibalizing their cable business and are not consistent, actually pissing off both streamers and cable subscribers.

  43. Karl

    September 10, 2021 at 3:57 pm

    Wow, I didn’t expect such a discussion from my question, thank you!

    First off, Karthik, in reference to the Comcast/Hulu relationship: Comcast has an option to cash out their 33.3% stake by 2024. You will see almost all NBCU’s stuff transition off in the interim because it’s the pettiest relationship in media right now.

    Just some other general thoughts on PL rights and the streaming services:
    1.) Disney/ESPN is not going to partner with anyone for any European soccer property ever. They have the financial and brand muscle to take the full rights and I’d be absolutely shocked if they have any interest in partnering with their smaller rivals. If Disney is interested in the PL, they’ll take the full thing both in English and Spanish in the US, and would almost certainly include a comprehensive package covering rights for Canada (TSN), renewing their major incumbent PL rightsholding markets (India, Brazil, and Spanish South America) and potentially taking on the other Star+ markets (Mexico, Central America/DR). This last point on driving Star+ subscribers (which just launched throughout Latin America) and its importance to Disney as a company is something I believe has been largely ignored by US-centric observers and is something to keep an eye on with these PL rights.
    2.) The new PL deal is likely going to be double what NBC has been paying for it. At this point, Comcast suits have to have a pretty good idea of what the PL can do for Peacock subs (which are still very weak when you look at paid subs vs. subs included w/ Xfinity packages) and I don’t think they’ll justify paying double for a very limited number of new subscribers (how many potential PL-focused Peacock subs don’t have it yet but would subscribe if NBC renews?) As a result, I don’t think NBC will retain PL rights on their own. I’ll gladly take all the name-calling when I’m proven wrong though. 🙂
    3.) As evidenced by the ViacomCBS/Sky partnerships in Europe, ViacomCBS is still primarily a cable channel company that just happens to have a major movie studio and absolutely prefers traditional cable to die slowly, not quickly, just like Comcast/Sky’s preferences, who still largely need Americans and Europeans to pay for Xfinity and Sky respectively while both companies try to figure out their streaming products.
    4.) I’m not saying I think Paramount+ and Peacock are absolutely going to partner for PL rights, but I think between those two and whatever comes of HBOMax & Discovery+, there are marketing partnerships that could more effectively counter Disney than standalone services yet don’t require M&A. I do believe Paramount+ and Peacock are the most logical partners for this at present.

    More of a long-term thought, but I think you’ll see the investor focus on these companies shift from “subscriber growth at any cost” toward “how’s the profitability” in the next year or so. Disney is expected to be profitable on each of D+, Hulu, and ESPN+ by about September 2023, and as it gets closer and more clear, I don’t think Wall Street will be kind to companies that haven’t hit streaming breakeven four years after launch.

  44. jason

    September 10, 2021 at 12:17 pm

    @Ra Yeah CONCACAF is sort of a bubble in the international game isn’t it. Could make that case for the other confeds right now perhaps. Only globe trotter is Qatar’s team since they are hosts. WCQ sked is so packed though USA can’t get any friendlies with Euro or South American teams going probably until the summer AFTER WCQ.

    i wonder what USA’s strategy for the 2026 cycle will be since they won’t have to go through qualifying. I would love it if they could be the false 6th team in the Euro qualifying group that has an odd number for that. Qatar this year, Russia in 2018, France in the Europeam Championship qualifying all played that role when they were hosts.

  45. Ra

    September 10, 2021 at 11:24 am

    My schedule is the following –
    Sat 9:30 Bayer Leverkusen vs Borussia Dortmund
    Sat 12:30 RB Leipzig vs Bayern München (Napoli vs Juventus in PiP)
    Sat 9:00 Monza F1 Grand Prix
    Sun 3:00 Palmeiras vs Flamengo (Fortaleza vs Atletico-MG) in PiP). They are the 4 top contenders for the title this year.
    Tue replay: Barcelona vs Bayern
    Wed replay: I will choose after reading the commentary on the games.

  46. JP

    September 10, 2021 at 11:10 am

    Another international break finally over and we can get back to real soccer. Once again here is my preliminary itinerary.

    Saturday
    9:30am: Leverkusen vs Dortmund
    12:00pm: Napoli vs Juve
    3:00pm: AZ Alkmaar vs PSV

    Sunday
    Not as much stands out here
    9:00am: Serie A (best match at the moment)
    12:00pm: Milan vs Lazio
    2:45/3:00pm: Roma vs Sassuolo and Real Madrid vs Celta (monitor both and more interesting as main window). Possibly abandon before final whistle for local NFL (4:25pm) if both matches not competitive or entertaining.

    Tuesday
    3:00pm: Villarreal vs Atalanta

    Wednesday
    3:00pm: Brugge vs PSG and Inter vs Real Madrid (City vs Leipzig and Liverpool vs Milan too, damn)

    Thursday
    3:00pm: Leicester vs Napoli

  47. Ra

    September 10, 2021 at 10:53 am

    @jason Did you see Messi crying yesterday showing the Copa America Cup to the fans? This is how much it means for the fans of the sport. Soccer would not be what it is if it were not for the MNTs.
    Following those 2 teams, I can see why you feel that way. Let’s be honest – it is rather sad to celebrate a victory against Honduras. I am not criticizing here – I really think it is sad.

  48. Ra

    September 10, 2021 at 9:42 am

    @ Chris I agree, the interest level is not that great.
    I don’t know if many here know, but Futsal plays a great role in developing player techniques. Growing up in large SA cities, most boys will start their soccer career in Futsal.
    Pele, Messi, CR, and Neymar all played Futsal as kids.
    It could be potentially more rewarding to instill a Futsal culture for kids in the US than to have them play in a reduced field, with a weird oval net.
    I myself played much more futsal than regular soccer growing up. The pace is incredibly faster.
    Here is an interesting link: https://futsalfeed.com/original-content/top-10-footballers-who-played-futsal

  49. Ra

    September 10, 2021 at 8:39 am

    @Chris Are you planning on having a Futsal WC viewing guide or do you feel there is not enough general interest? Thanks.

    • Christopher Harris

      September 10, 2021 at 8:43 am

      Not enough interest. We had an article a few weeks ago about the FIFA Beach Soccer tournament but there wasn’t much interest in that either unfortunately.

  50. Ra

    September 10, 2021 at 8:37 am

    @jason I am exactly the opposite. The history and long-term rivalries of the MNT are unparalleled. Any clash between one of the soccer world powers (Brazil, France, Italy, Germany, Argentina, England, Spain, Portugal, Uruguay) is an instant classic.
    I agree, however, that a Germany-Andorra game is one-sided and quite boring. I would like to see teams pre-qualify to the qualifiers to keep a more consistent quality.

  51. jason

    September 10, 2021 at 8:22 am

    @Fechin Attuah Agreed about World cup 2 year thing. A horrible horrible idea.

  52. jason

    September 10, 2021 at 8:19 am

    With club football I can get interested in any lower league minnow game at any time. International football however I only have enough interest to follow the USMNT and maybe the Candadian team and thats it. I love watching multiple German Bundesliga games on ESPN+, but have not bothered with any Germany national team game. Same comparison for Premier League and EFL compared to England national team.

    Are others like this too?

  53. Fechin Attuah

    September 10, 2021 at 2:13 am

    I don’t think CBS and NBC can merge their streaming services since they are part of the 4 major networks and I don’t think a monopoly like that would be legal in the US. But they can split the rights but a bundle for the two services, I’m not sure.

  54. Fechin Attuah

    September 10, 2021 at 2:07 am

    The World Cup shouldn’t be 2 years since it will lose the value of the competition. If they wanted to have another international competition. It can be a World Cup nations league, UEFA has this but make it a worldwide competition. It should be a competition a year after the World Cup every four years in my opinion. But have 24 team table and they play the teams only once and teams with the most points wins the trophy. Europe 4, Africa 4, South America 4, North America 4, Asia 4, Oceania 4, teams. These teams can use their u23 level team with a mix of senior level players on who can make it to play etc. To qualify for this competition for the teams all you need to do is finish top 4 in EUROS, cup of nations, Concacaf gold cup, Conmebol, AFC cup, OFC nations cup.

  55. Fechin Attuah

    September 10, 2021 at 1:09 am

    A joint bid for the premier league would not work since it would be hard to find matches for the games. I know with the premier league at least everything is in one place with NBC. Also I think NBC should keep the rights because ESPN+ and paramount plus already have a soccer established service and they need to grow the soccer leagues on what they already have. But I do think NBC should obtain more soccer leagues than just the premier league and get the EFL championship, EFL league 1,2 and the Carbao Cup basically the whole England soccer package. Like how paramount plus has the whole Italian soccer package and espn plus getting the whole Spanish,German soccer package. If they don’t want to then the rights should go to someone else but I don’t see the premier league leaving nbc anytime soon. Because if NBC were to increase the bid to obtain the whole England package for maybe 6-7 years then it’s a win. Now that Ronaldo is with Man U yeah it will be interesting to see who will get the rights. NBC does need to stream every single game on peacock simulcast with USA and NBCSN is one of the only problems I have

  56. Fechin Attuah

    September 10, 2021 at 12:54 am

    @Ra soccer having their own streaming service will definitely not work because soccer is a niche sport in the US. It’s only popular in Europe and South America and Maybe Australia and Africa but it wouldn’t be great for new fans to subscribe and the sport would be hard to find and it’s not much variety just having one service. You need other things for a service. F1 TV is good because of the technology advancements in the service and F1 is a global sport. Not to mention the Netflix series helps but F1 is lacking a USA driver. Kinda similar on why the premier league is gaining ground in the US because of Christian Pulisic. WWE tried their own service and the most they can get is 1.2 million subscribers mostly the diehards subscribe. Peacock getting NFL,INDYCAR, Notra dame football,Rugby and Golf etc all for 5 bucks is a plus.

  57. UnitedFan 3478

    September 9, 2021 at 9:54 pm

    From my POV, I doubt the 2nd broadcaster with ESPN would be Fox. CBS is better because they have Serie A and UCL.

    An ESPN/CBS bid is easily going to win the rights

  58. Ra

    September 9, 2021 at 9:45 pm

    @Chris Is there a way to stream the Futsal World Cup or is it just on Fox Sports?

    • Christopher Harris

      September 10, 2021 at 7:52 am

      Games will be shown across Telemundo, Universo and, I believe, Telemundo Deportes en Vivo app.

  59. Eric T

    September 9, 2021 at 9:28 pm

    @Ra Agreed, Fox has consistently treated their soccer properties as second-rate garbage.

  60. Ra

    September 9, 2021 at 8:58 pm

    Fox is the worst. I hope they quit soccer after the 2026 WC.

  61. Dan N.

    September 9, 2021 at 8:58 pm

    Whether it is NBC, CBS, NBC/CBS, or somehow even ESPN, I would honestly be at peace with watching the PL on any of those as long as it is not Fox.

    Watching the quality of coverage on FOX hurts these days especially comparing it to CBS/P+ and even NBC. It pains me thinking the next two WCs will air on FOX, including when the US hosts it in 2026. If only CBS got into the soccer business a little sooner….

  62. Mercator

    September 9, 2021 at 7:35 pm

    Another great one. First off, what is Wenger doing. Actually if you look at the plan a lot of it makes sense – except for the part where they replace Euros/Copa with a second world cup. Just another squabble between FIFA and its confederations over more money. Very sad, what does FIFA need more money for again?

    I have YTTV and got the sports package and it’s not great at all. Bein Sports Xtra is free in many places, so that is meaningless. Other than that, all you get is the Bein Sports channel. I have not been able to get YTTV credentials to work on Bein Connect, so its really just Bein Sports channel and thats it. I wouldn’t pay for it, but it comes with NFL Redzone which I would pay for anyway. I would still recommend Fanatiz if all you care about is Bein Sports, at least for football. Fanatiz has Bein Connect access and an Apple TV app (no Bein Connect app on Apple TV, ridiculous).

    Fox is terrible. Truly terrible. Can anyone confirm they will not go for the EPL rights? That would be an absolute disaster, I cannot believe they have the world cup rights. Apparently Alexi Lalas of all people was invited to some FIFA Legends event in Qatar where they all talk about how great a two year world cup would be. So much wrong with the situation. World Cup Qatar 2022 presented by Fox and staring Alexi Lalas, truly a dystopian situation for any fan. FIFA should fix that first before adding another world cup.

  63. UnitedFan 3478

    September 9, 2021 at 5:24 pm

    I think a joint ESPN/CBS bid is the most likely to get the EPL, definitely not Peacock. Because Peacock is really bad and has no UEFA Football other than the EPL. If this joint bid were to win, then ESPN could air games on ABC ESPN, ESPN2, and ESPN+. While CBS could air games on CBS. CBSSN and Paramount+ Spanish language games could go on ESPN Deportes. It makes more sense for Peacock to lose the EPL to CBS/ESPN because of how NBCSN shut down and ESPN and CBS do a great job covering the UCL, La Liga, Bundesliga, and Serie A.

    Perhaps Fox could get the EPL instead of CBS. But I think CBS is more likely because CBS has Paramount+ and Fox doesn’t have a streaming service.

    In my opinion, ESPN is the most likely to get the EPL also because they have the EFL and Carabao Cup.

    If it were a joint bid, it would be ESPN and Fox or CBS.

    NBC is done with the EPL, especially after shutting down NBCSN.

    I can’t wait for ESPN and CBS to announce that they have acquired the EPL TV rights 🙂

  64. Ra

    September 9, 2021 at 4:11 pm

    @JP Agree. NBC has a lot of properties, but they are very cheap with Peacock. It seems that most of their properties get sucked into a black hole and nobody hears from them again. This is another reason why I have a prejudice against Peacock. Comcast has the steaks but throws only bones into Peacock (EPL excluded).
    MotoGP is a prime example. I really enjoyed the Marquez/Rossi disputes, but I haven’t heard of since NBC acquired it. I don’t need them to watch the highlights, I can go directly to Youtube.

  65. Ra

    September 9, 2021 at 4:03 pm

    Your podcast is great – certainly one of the most anticipated in my week. Many thanks for the great work!
    I did not enjoy this one so much in particular. I think the reason is that it was too focused on USMNT and MLS. It is masochism to watch both in my personal opinion… 🙂
    Being the ‘worldsoccertalk’ podcast, I would expect a State of the Union from what is happening globally, especially the Euro/SA qualifiers (and all the polemics), and what to look forward to in the EU leagues this week.

  66. JP

    September 9, 2021 at 3:54 pm

    @Ra, I don’t mind having all the leagues on ESPN+ even if I don’t follow all of them. It allows for serendipitous discovery of leagues you may have never decided to watch before. For me that’s the Eredivisie and to lesser extent the Belgian Pro League which I had watched a bit on Eleven Sports years ago. But definitely more since on ESPN+, and would likely not subscribe to it if it was a stand alone property.

    The same happened with MotoGP when beIN had it, it’s a shame NBC buries this product who knows where.

    Paracock+ or Peamount+, both have a better ring to it than Moland Spring of the fictitious merger on Seinfeld 🙂

  67. Ra

    September 9, 2021 at 3:40 pm

    The idea of a joint Paramount-Peacock offer is horrible. It takes away from the customer choice. And for what, a $1-2 discount? I’d rather see all services separate. Even better, I would prefer to pay for individual leagues.
    On ESPN+, I love Bundesliga but I don’t care about LaLiga. I also enjoy ESPN FC. And I would even prefer to see the rest gone from my homepage for ease of navigation. The best scenario would be to pay for the leagues separately. I hope they will offer at some point a premium product, like F1TV.
    Also, you are talking as if both platforms just offered soccer. I would pay for Paramount, even without the soccer, and I generally don’t pay for Peacock, even with the soccer.
    The soccer is great, but Peacock’s policy to show some games with a huge delay infuriates me.
    It is bad for customers when the same league gets fragmented between providers, especially if you really want to follow a league. But to bundle separate properties is usually not in the customer’s best interest.

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