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Racism and Racing to Conclusions (EPL Talk Weekend Preview)

This week saw Luis Suarez charged by the FA, but what does this mean for his career and how we deal with abuse in the game? Suarez maintains his innocence whilst his manager and club stand by him. The task for the FA: working out his intention. It is not to be underestimated how difficult a task this is.

To put a happy sheen on a dull week in football Kartik Krishnaiyer has a special announcement. Listen carefully to what he says about England and Fabio Capello, do you agree?

The pod also look towards the weekend and biggest clash: Chelsea v. Liverpool, with one allegation on either side who will the football gods favour? Kristan Heneage weighs up Liverpool’s chance of upsetting Terry and Torres yet again.

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  1. ciggs

    November 19, 2011 at 1:26 am

    Hey guys, love the podcast usually. The first 20 mins of this episode was awful. Really couldnt you have summarised “Well we will see what the FA does next about these racism charges” and “Hey Newcastle renames its stadium” in 5 minutes?

    I understand you might want to cover the tangentially related football news but it really dragged on. Thanks. Good rest of the show though!

    • Laurence McKenna

      November 19, 2011 at 9:49 am

      Hey Ciggs,

      Thanks for the feedback. I appreciate it. We don’t just want to cover the news because you can get that from EPLTalk but to augment the arguments and bring a little more context to them, as you can see it started a little debate in the comments. But I agree it wasn’t one of our better segments, the structure wasn’t right.

      Noted for the future,


      • ciggs

        November 19, 2011 at 9:22 pm

        Thanks Laurence, look forward to the next one. Some cracking games so far this weekend to talk about!

  2. Harry

    November 18, 2011 at 9:49 am

    On any other issue no charges would have been brought on given the lack of concrete proof. But because this is about racism the FA has to take it as far as it can even if the evidence is questionable. The FA wants Suarez to appear and explain his word(s) used and in the end will decide to set an example by banning him for at least a couple of games. The FA has to look strong on this issue.

  3. Harold

    November 18, 2011 at 9:30 am

    “Negrito” might be socially acceptable in Uruguay, but Suarez has been in Europe for long enough that he should know that it isn’t socially acceptable there. Suarez and Evra were arguing, using a term which translates to “little black man” was obviously meant in a condescending manner. He was trying to get a reaction and saw that he did so he used the term repeatedly. There are phrases which are acceptable when used with friends and family that are not acceptable when used with strangers in the heat of an argument. The “acceptable in my country” argument isn’t a valid excuse

    He’ll plead not guilty, get a personal hearing with the FA, apologize and be let off with no ban, no fine, just a warning as to his future conduct

  4. Adrian

    November 18, 2011 at 1:40 am

    I am from Uruguay and I can tell you that the term negrito is not only sociable acceptable but commongly used everywhere. You would have a mother calling her sons negritos or friends calling eachother ” mi negro “.
    Whether or not Suarez used this term or another one, i cannot tell you, but i can tell you with 100pc ceirtainty that the term negrito is acceptable in Uruguay.

  5. liminus

    November 18, 2011 at 12:27 am

    Suarez being charged by the FA is the same as someone being charged with a crime by a court – it does not mean he’s guilty, does not mean the FA is saying he’s guilty, and only means that the FA thinks the accusation warrants a hearing. You can be charged with murder and then be acquitted. Suarez can be charged with racism and then acquitted. The FA is only (although belatedly) following procedure as far as I am aware.

  6. Pakapala

    November 17, 2011 at 5:02 pm


    Why? Ironically , because they would have done exactly what you accuse them of doing now: charging a guy with zero proof. They took their time to investigate the matter than they decided to press charges after concluding their investigation. I thought that was proper procedure on how to tackle accusations. Apparently not for you: to you it should be condemnation right away once the accusation is made or else let it go and move on to other things.

    • Cody

      November 17, 2011 at 9:41 pm

      No, stop drawing conclusions after seeing just one post. What I’m saying is that this investigation has been a complete mess and the FA deciding to charge Suarez now makes very little sense.

      When this first came up the day after the Liverpool-United match, there was no backing for Evra (other than Ferguson, who was on the sidelines and was just making assumptions because of how much he hates Liverpool). No players on either side came forward, and the referees never heard anything of note either. Sky Sports had no video evidence, and there was seemingly no evidence at all.

      Fast forward 4 weeks, and it is revealed that the term in question was “negrito” which is a term that is culturally acceptable in Uruguay. Suarez speaks little to no English, and Evra is a French speaker. Language barriers have evidently played a role in this dispute.

      Now my problem is that United players did not come forward this entire time. There is no logical explanation to why they waited all this time before coming forward to provide the FA with any “relevant” information. If you’re teammate is being racially abused you come forward immediately. What I’m getting from this is that United players are just agreeing with the alleged “negrito” information. I realize this term isn’t all that acceptable in England due to its meaning, but it’s just as important to understand Suarez’ culture as much as it is for him to learn English norms and values.

      Suarez has apologized for the misunderstanding and has taken the racial allegations personally since day 1. This should be seen as a matter of intent, just as the law would view it. Suarez clearly did not intend to insult Evra, and has learned a lesson about English cultural standards in the process. Aside from this, the FA has nothing else, so it would be extremely reckless to penalize Suarez.

      What’s really sad and quite evil when you think about it, is that it is in the FA’s best interest to penalize Suarez and throw a hefty suspension at him so that they can justify going even harder on John Terry. And this is why I believe Suarez is going to be charged, probably with a 3-5 match ban so that they can they can go all out and give whatever the maximum ban is to John Terry.

      Not at all fair, but there’s nothing anyone can do.

      • Jjerg

        November 17, 2011 at 10:41 pm

        Suarez is a racist cheat that players, coaches, and fans in Uruguay and Holland already know. Just because he is a Liverpool player coached by a Liverpool dinosaur doesn’t excuse his racist attitude. Ive been in Uruguay many times and that term you write no easily is ‘socially acceptable’ by the fare population and is taken offensively by most others. There are terms and phrases chanted in Russian and Romanian society that are very offensive. I guess you would say that’s okay if a Liverpool player said that and 100s of player didn’t come out and immediately and corroborate and the FA didn’t sweep it under the rug immediately.
        A racist term has been said and you promote that its just fine. He didn’t mean it cause I heard that wonder boy Suarez uses that term all the time back home. Its not racist if his whole country uses racist phrases.
        Listen to yourself.

        • Cody

          November 18, 2011 at 12:39 am

          Putting words in my mouth, eh? I’ve researched the word and no, I don’t care if you’ve been to Uruguay or not, it’s socially accepted over there. Having been there does not by any means make you an expert on Uruguayan culture.

          That’s all that’s worth saying to you though, you’re extremely anti-Liverpool post which had little to do with replying to mine other than implying that I support racism, clearly makes you a trolling Yanited fan.

        • Jose

          November 18, 2011 at 2:06 pm

          You are incorrect, I am from Uruguay and “negrito” is a perfectly acceptable term. It is actually sometimes used affectionately. I’m of Italian-Spanish background and confused with whit in the US where I live, however, last time I was in Uruguay for visit after 20 years of absence an old friend called me “negrito”. This, of course, surprised me at the beginning, then I remember that one of my sister’s nickname is “negrita”. Don’t recall her being offended by it.

  7. Cody

    November 17, 2011 at 4:05 pm

    Ugh the FA shows us all again why they are a complete and utter joke.

    So you’re charging a guy for being racist with zero proof, and very questionable testimonies that came out of no where no one has heard about until what? 5 weeks after the incident…AND it seems like the word in question was “negrito” an acceptable term in Uruguay.

    Absolute joke, if the apparent player “testimonies” are true, why didn’t they jump all over this right after it happened?

    • Harry Cee

      November 17, 2011 at 5:08 pm

      Cody, what may be perfectly acceptable where you are may not be perfectly acceptable somewhere else.

      BTW, Gaffer did you get my article???

    • Andrei

      November 17, 2011 at 5:18 pm

      Wait a minute. So the FA cronies who are not exactly known for promoting diversity among their kind are fit to pass a judgement on somebody’s integrity and character related to racism?

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