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Kartik Krishnaiyer (EPL Talk Interview)

EPL Talk sits down with Kartik Krishnaiyer to assess the season so far and look forward to 2012.

Laurence McKenna hosts the EPL Talk pundit to cover Twitter; the blue moon rising; Liverpool’s fortunes; Tiote in Newcastle; and what ‘beauty’ has done to football.

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  1. TemaCube

    January 3, 2012 at 4:33 pm

    Hello Kristan,

    First of all, I listen to EPL talk from near San Francisco in CA. I’ve really appreciated you commentary as somewhat understated in intensity, but always insightful. Thanks for joining the show.

    Started watching EPL games after subscribing to and now catch at least all the games of the big six, and often fulham and everton for the obvious reasons.

    As you noted, the conversation may be a little tired, but b/c I think it’s a potentially season altering decision, I do have a few comments to make on the eight game Luis Suarez suspension.

    As a precursor, racism is obviously unacceptable, in the stands etc. That being said I think there has been a massive overreaction here — to the detriment of the game — and it sort of stinks.

    1) As you noted from an American perspective, we may not have the patience or penchant of Englishman to get caught up in theoretical discussions about motivations inside a player’s head on the field. This is a fine discussion for politics, or maybe in a court of law, but not in sports. We’d rather watch the game. In America, trying to intimidate or distract other players with chatter is called trash talking. People mostly consider it part of sport.

    My suggestion is that if you want a job doing sports in America, speak you mind, but over speak the case against Suarez. You won’t find receptive ears here.

    2) In the pointy ball version of football, when an opponent is taunted the other team is penalized 15 yards. You aren’t suspended eight games post mortem. If the referee sees it you are sent off. If he doesn’t you get away with it. I think the theatrical protracted nature of this — scotland yard getting involved, etc makes english football look stupid, and at best like wimpy, or even scheming. It undermines to a certain extent the idea that the players play the game, not the fans, not the refs, and not the suits off the field.

    This is already happening in the EPL, which the number of ticky-tack yellow cards being handed out and players being sent of by overzealous refereeing. We need to protect the player’s careers from injury, not their feelings. As a player I primarilly want to see the players play without a bunch of extraneous non players injecting themselves into the games.

    3) Outside the rarified (and politically charged and probably hypocritical) atmosphere of the English league, if somebody talks trash, you show them up by either blocking it out or playing harder. This is the problem I have with ManU and Evera. They have a problem with Suarez or his team, primarily they should respond by winning and/or playing harder against Liverpool, not by crying to the league.

    I think this is what Daglish said when he noted that Suarez didn’t “press charges” against Evera for his comments. Presumedly he just got on with the business of trying to win.

    4) With an eight game suspension, the EPL just set a standard akin to giving a giving a card in the first minute of play. Now any time any player even sneezes sideways we need to have Salem witch hunt as to his motivation.

    Are insults about people’s mothers also a protected class of speech? Generally in the US you have a right to free speech unless you are causing a disturbance. Simply disturbing one person on the other team is not causing a disturbance. What does any of this have to do with the game.

    5) This whole thing smells bad. It’s a given that the English press doesn’t like Suarez — both for his (to me inspired) handball in the world cup, and for his alleged diving. It also superficially appears like the FA is all about getting the appeasing ManU and/or promoting their would be international corporate interests. Also there is a massive conflict of interest for Evera and Ferguson to “bring charges”. I’ve lost a lot of respect for their team for apparently attempt to skew the league over this.

    6) From a business standpoint, it’s stupid. Setting a dynamic of Brown vs Black isn’t going to make English football look like a big white bwana internationally, it’s going to make it look patronizing.

    Especially after all the endless belly aching over Tevez, I can’t imagine Latin players or fans can take a liking to this. A one game, precedent setting suspension would be fine. Eight games is stupid and symbolically insulting to South America. Lastly, per your other EPL talk interview slamming players will only make them less accessible.

    The FA is out of line and the English press are generally looking like fools. Kick Suarez out for a game, maybe three — if taunting an opponent really rises to the standard of “violent” conduct — and then get on with it. Yes police the stands, but the league should get out of being the player’s thought police.

    Eight games is a holier than thou, self defeating, juvenile witch hunt, an annoging big brother mentality that feels like it’s been directed pretty much at latins, and seems like it has more to do with greed and politics than sport.

    Thanks for the beautiful football, but keep the nany state enforcement on that side of the pond.


  2. DocTurtle

    December 27, 2011 at 3:39 pm

    I couldn’t agree more with EPLnfl and Kartik. The lover divisions and even the middle to lower table EPL teams show so much more heart and passion.

  3. EPLNfl

    December 26, 2011 at 10:17 pm

    Only bad thing was that it ended too soon! Kartik has a vast knowledge and a unique perspective on the worlds game. How he keeps up on everything the way he does is spectacular.

    I find two of his comments especially true:

    The lower divisions of English football show more of the heart of English football tradition then the EPL. Also that certain mid-table EPL tables are very enjoyable to watch and that makes the entire league so enjoyable.

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