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Luis Suarez deserves to be included in Messi vs Ronaldo debate

Luis Suarez does things that no other attacking player in the world does. All of the discussion about who is better, Ronaldo or Messi, deserves to have Suarez included in the conversation. But that Suarez plays at a club that hasn’t featured in Champions League since the 2009-10 season and because of his own self-inflicted bad boy image (as contrasted with the carefully crafted Messi persona), he isn’t getting the mentions in the discussion he deserves. But Suarez’s goal scoring rate and rate of quality goals is currently second to none globally. Ibra hasn’t scored the sheer volume of spectacular goals and Messi has not been involved in spectacular team moves that Suarez has been a part of since returning from his most recent long-term suspension.

Based on the reactions to Manuel Pellegrini’s mathematical prowess midweek in Munich, you would think Manchester City had lost that match. But what in fact happened was that the Blues rallied from a two goal deficit at the home of the European Champions and won a match. This came days after dropping points to a Southampton side that was missing several key performers. The potential impact of the Bayern result cannot be over-stated. Much of the Citizens woes away from home have been due to concentration lapses, lack of fight, poor tactical planning and coping with playing on narrower pitches. While the later problem wasn’t solved in the Bayern victory, the first three points were remarkably corrected in one 90 minute evening of soccer. While this does not mean City are over the away sluggishness just yet, the signs are that the side has moved forward and is beginning to gel.

Meanwhile, Manchester City’s Fernandinho is in my opinion is redefining how the holding midfield position is played in English football.

In the match between Manchester City and Arsenal, Kieran Gibbs’ absence was perhaps the single biggest factor in the game. Nacho Monreal’s performance was nothing short of a shocking and it must pose question for Arsene Wenger as to whether he needs more full back cover (or perhaps needs to try using Carl Jenkinson at left back when Gibbs is unavailable.)

After several years of existence as the prototypical yo-yo club, West Brom has stabilized as a Premier League club. Yet the board has not released enough cash to guarantee continued Premier League status. Steve Clarke found himself working on an extremely tight budget and dependent largely on loan players to make an impact. As one of the best tacticians in British football, Clarke won’t be out of work for long (maybe he returns to Chelsea to work with Jose Mourinho) and the Baggies are sure to rue the error in judgment demonstrated by sacking him. Then again perhaps the goal for West Brom’s board is to go down without spending much money and collect parachute payments while trying to come right back up. It’s a formula they once perfected and conceivably could be aiming to replicate again?

Manchester United is back on track after a win against Aston Villa. How much margin for error does United have coming home this season if they want to win the title? Reaching 89 points, the title winning total the last two seasons is impossible but if 80 points is the target with so much competition at the top, United still do have a little margin for error, but very little. Assuming United drop all three points at Chelsea, and draw at Arsenal, draw at home with Manchester City and Liverpool, they can only drop five more points this season. Beating City or Liverpool would certainly help things for the Red Devils. Perhaps those two fixtures are now must-wins in the larger scheme of things because of the points they deny the opposition.

Missed in the news about QPR’s new stadium proposal was the signing of Yossi Benayoun. QPR’s enormous wage bill just keeps growing under Harry Redknapp. The R’s sit tenuously atop the Championship but not being promoted could spell absolute disaster before moving to a new ground. Besides, where are all these Rangers fans going to turn up from to fill a 40,000 seat stadium?

Speaking of QPR the rumors of signing Nahki Wells in January must be disturbing if you are a Bradford City supporter. Wells for me is one of the brightest young stars the Bantams have had in sometime, and he combines pace with an uncanny finishing ability. Letting him go at a time the club is just beginning to recover from the decade long self-inflicted doldrums would be a bad sign.

One of my favorite yet most predictable moments of the ITV Keane/Vieira documentary was when the presenter asked Roy Keane who the best manager he had played for was and Keane said, “Without a doubt, Brian Clough”. The presenter retorted “Really, not Sir Alex Ferguson?” Keane responded in classic fashion “You asked the question, I answered you.”

The performances of West Ham United continues to be frustrating. Despite getting fairly good wide play and some control over central midfield, the Hammers continue to misfire badly. I am not sure Andy Carroll, even when fit, is going to solve these problems.

Norwich City continues to misfire at home. In Sunday’s 1-1 draw with a tired Swansea side who had lost in Switzerland on Thursday, Chris Hughton’s side dominated the second half and created lots of half chances but didn’t get the three points they needed.

Editor’s note: Read Kartik’s previous Monday Soccer Insider columns.

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  1. Gray

    December 16, 2013 at 8:25 pm

    The problem with Suarez is that he is playing for Liverpool that are not title contenders and therefore don’t get the notoriety that clubs like United, Real or Barcelona get. Put Suarez in any top club in the world and he will be compared with Ronaldo and Messi every day.

    Of course if Liverpool can challenge for the title and actually either win it or come close then Suarez will be spoken of in the same conversation as Messi or Ronaldo.

    • zalel

      January 8, 2014 at 8:04 pm

      Well he will be compared if he breaks records.
      So far he just started . So shush !

  2. Dan

    December 16, 2013 at 3:18 pm

    Ronaldo is unstoppable on his day same for Messi. Suarez can be stopped at his best.

    • yespage

      December 16, 2013 at 3:51 pm

      Minor nitpick, but Suarez has scored more goals than Ronaldo did in each of his seasons at Man U. except for two seasons 08/09, when Ronaldo scored 18 goals and 07/08 when Ronaldo scored 31 goals. Suarez will pass 18 goals soon. Time will tell if he beats 31.

      Suarez has only played 11 games.

      • Flyvanescence

        December 16, 2013 at 4:26 pm

        However, you are ignoring Ronaldo’s progression as a player since moving to Real Madrid.

        And denying that he has improved and simply stating its an easier league is delusional.

        • Yespage

          December 16, 2013 at 9:21 pm

          Since moving to the parity lacking La Liga? Color me unimpressed for using the La Liga as a meaningful bar.

          • Flyvanescence

            December 16, 2013 at 9:39 pm

            Yeah because he only does it against the sad teams of La Liga. Never tears it up vs Barça, or against other top clubs in the Champions League. Not to mention his play for Portugal. He is a better player now than when he was at Man United.

      • Dan

        December 16, 2013 at 4:56 pm

        Suarez has never scored 42 goals in his career. That was Ronnies best total playing for us. Fly expect a few dodgy decisions in that Ucl tie if you know what i mean.

        • Flyvanescence

          December 16, 2013 at 4:58 pm

          Oh surely. but i think we are kind of used to that. Weve been competing with Man United for the Prem title that last few years 😉

          • insert name here

            December 16, 2013 at 8:39 pm

            lol yeah I dont think Utd fans should be throwing any stones in that glass house of theirs, thats for sure.

        • Yespage

          December 16, 2013 at 9:29 pm

          Seriously? Ronaldo scored 42 goals once, let’s not get crazy and extrapolate that level of goalscoring for his career at Man United.

          Suarez has played in the EPL two full seasons. Scored 17 total goals the first year and 30 goals total the following, suspension-ish year. Ronaldo scored over 30 goals once… that season he scored 42.

          Ronaldo is great, no doubt, but so is Suarez.

      • insert name here

        December 16, 2013 at 8:38 pm

        yeah but Ronaldo was playing on the wing for Utd and not as the out and out striker, especially at the start where he stayed wide a lot.

        • Dan

          December 16, 2013 at 11:05 pm

          It was joke.We have gotten out fair share. You can’t make an argument for Suarez. These guys have been doing it for years and yeah Ronaldo just set a group stage record for Ucl goals and Messi set the all time Ucl goals in a season record 2 years ago so it’s not like they are only beating up on some nobodies in La liga. The reason is that a lot of teams in Spain play football the right way and play good football and try to attack and not like a lot of the English teams linedup in a 442 two banks of 4 and bombard you with crosses. This is the only league where a player like Valencia is celebrated. He cant even dribble or use his left foot yet is regarded as a top player. How many times do the lower half of teams in the prem pass the ball and try to keep it on the ground against the bigger teams? Ronaldo improved at Real Madrid and if he came back to the prem hewould destroy every full back. You saw how he mauled Zabaleta and Rafael last year the two best RBs in the Premier League in the champions league? The guy is a monster and same for that Messi chap who only had a 45 goal season despite being riddled with injuries. Not to mention he scored in 21 straight laliga games that’s insane. Even if la liga is poor compared to the prem I don’t see Suarez scoring in 21 straight games. He’s a good player but Messi and Ronaldo are all time greats. Say what ever you want about this being a different era but when two guys score goals at ridiculous rates like this on a consistent basis they are up there with the Zidane and Yes I said The Brazilian Ronaldom.

  3. Marc L

    December 16, 2013 at 12:51 pm

    Agreed 100% as to Suarez

    Suarez is just a fantastic, fantastic player. Just amazing as far as instincts, intangible things, ability to magically control and redirect the ball.

    Agreed 1000% as to Ferny – needless to say.

    • jtm371

      December 16, 2013 at 1:35 pm

      Marc L
      Wow never thought you would take Suarez over Kun.I know i am fighting a losing battle but i would take Kun any day of the week.just goes to show your closer to a fan then a fanatic.

      call me crazy but i think your City boys can take Barca in the CL draw.

      • insert name here

        December 16, 2013 at 8:35 pm

        Im a Barca fan and most of us think City can take us in the CL draw.. In fact I think most footy fans think City can take us. We have one recognised senior CB who is fit but out of form so defensively we are all over the place. We havent fixed the problems of last season and are still searching out a new style/identity which leaves us vulnerable and the team works not what it should be and City will out muscle us…. Ive been saying now for a couple of seasons that Id love Suarez at Barca as he is amazing but he’d be waay too expensive now. Probably off to Real. I dont see why the author has a veiled dig at Messi for his “carefully crafted persona”.. I actually think Messis persona is genuine. I see no reason to think otherwise. Also that “Messi has not been involved in team moves” line is utter nonsense. How can you ignore the bizillions of amazin team goals Messi has and the tonnes of assists he has. Barca and Messi are known for their team goals aswell as Messis individual goals. Messi can do what Suarez does. Ive seen him do it. Thats not taking anything away from Suarez. Messi and him are similar imo altho I think Messi can probably play in more positions. Suarez is nearly up there with Messi and Ronaldo now but he needs to move to a top CL club to really show his full potential. Id have him slightly ahead of Aguero at the moment but behind Ronaldo and a fully fit Messi.. Those two are still out in front. They are ridiculously consistently good. Suarez on his day tho is unstoppable. Its great to be around and see Ronaldo, Messi, Suarez, Ibra, Costa, Aguero, Higuain, Falcao, RVP, Toure, Neymar, Bale, Hazard, Iniesta etc etc etc. There are some really great players at the moment & alot of them are young enough to be around for years to come.

        • jtm371

          December 16, 2013 at 9:53 pm

          you to remember Kun performed under the pressure of a title chase and WON the the last pressure packed match for Suarez.

          • Flyvanescence

            December 16, 2013 at 10:28 pm

            Vs Ghana in 2010 world cup. He got it done too 😀

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