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Olympiakos vs Arsenal and Borussia Dortmund vs Manchester City: Champions League Open Thread

Two big matches in the UEFA Champions League today involving Premier League teams.

Arsenal has a chance to finish top of their group if they beat Olympiakos in Greece and if Schalke doesn’t beat Montpellier. If both of those matches go Arsenal’s way, then this will be a huge burden off Arsene Wenger’s shoulders after a very stressful few weeks. Arsenal wants to finish in first place so they’ll have an easier match in the next round of the tournament.

Manchester City, meanwhile, has no chance of qualifying for the next round of the Champions League, but if they want to qualify for the Europa League, they’ll need to beat Dortmund and hope that Ajax doesn’t beat Real Madrid.

Before, during or after today’s Champions League matches, post your rants, raves, questions or observations in the comments section below.

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  1. Sammy

    December 5, 2012 at 6:06 am

    What’s up with Arsenal?… seriously

  2. Matt

    December 4, 2012 at 8:27 pm

    it’s still early, but the Bundesliga is catching up to the EPL in the UEFA coefficiant race. La Liga still on top

    Still a long way to go, the order of the top three doesn’t make too much difference as each will keep 4 CL spots

    • dust

      December 5, 2012 at 12:15 am

      Response is under Adam..My bad

  3. Matt

    December 4, 2012 at 5:18 pm

    City’s coefficiant might take such a hit that they will be in Pot 3 next season. Of course they should have the quality to still get out the group, but its likely they once again will get a tough group

    • Why?

      December 5, 2012 at 6:12 am

      I’d say by reasoning alone city won’t get another group like this year in fact nobody ever had a group like that with the top three leagues in Europes champions in as well as the 5th placed leagues champions. It’s pretty inexplicable how the two times in the last two years German champions and CL winners end up in pot 4 yet Platini’s chums at PSG end up in pot 3. They haven’t won there own league for 20 years! You gotta get a bit of luck in the draw. City were unlucky not to qualify with 10 pts last year that’s the number they say you need as did Mancini before it started! This year the group stage couldn’t have been made any harder for all in it and as Mouriniho said himself one of the big clubs will be disappointed.

  4. The Gaffer

    December 4, 2012 at 4:45 pm

    It just keeps on getting worse for Arsenal. Saturday’s home match for Arsenal against West Bromwich Albion will be very tense and edgy.

    The Gaffer

    • Gary

      December 4, 2012 at 5:14 pm

      Agreed. Leading 1-0 and then losing 2-1 is not good for a team that everyone is asking questions about. If Arsenal don’t beat West Brom on Saturday it could get very ugly for Wenger. Should make for an intresting game this weekend.

      • NeilO

        December 4, 2012 at 5:19 pm

        Arsenal will win against West Brom. You can bank on it.

        • Dust

          December 4, 2012 at 5:25 pm


        • Dust

          December 4, 2012 at 5:28 pm

          1-1 at best for Farcenal.

  5. BA14

    December 4, 2012 at 4:42 pm

    The top EPL teams aren’t very good. They are struggling in Europe and in the league.

    • Dust

      December 4, 2012 at 4:56 pm

      What top teams aren’t good? Man City, Man Utd, CFC, Spurs are good teams.

      man utd cruised their group, Man city messed up against Ajax, and away at RM with poor concentration, those 2 in particular have started slow, but to say they are NOT good is NOT correct.

      CFC have ridiculous talent but currently lack organization at the back and the players are unmotivated… The lucky b***** will still go though probably. You can’t deny they have world class players.

      As for Spurs… 4th and will make it tot the next stage of Europa league.

      Farcenal have not been included for obvious reasons, they sit 10th in the BPL and because of coefficient got the easiest group and only edged out olympiakos but 1 point in their group, arsenal are not a top club. The win against a 10 man spurs just distorted the facts they are terrible.

      • Andrei

        December 4, 2012 at 5:00 pm

        Ok they are not good enough 🙂

      • Why?

        December 5, 2012 at 5:48 am

        You think Arsenal’s group to have easier teams than Utd’s? I give up!!!!

  6. Adam

    December 4, 2012 at 4:32 pm

    Fairly obvious that City aren’t interested in Europa League football. Premier League is worth much more to them in non-financial terms.

    In spite of VERY poor performances, no-one should be expecting City to be challenging for the Champions League for a few years yet. How long did it take Chelsea to win it after they got their first break in the Premier League?

    • Dust

      December 4, 2012 at 4:46 pm

      That is a complete myth that man city shouldn’t do well on Europe, make whatever excuses you want to make you feel better about the poor performance.

      And no the man utd example doesn’t work, SAF had no champions league experience when they went into it, Mancini does, he has a poor record in it, but he has experience. Also the city players have UCL experience… Don’t fall for the myth. It’s one thing to not win the tourney and another to fail getting out of the group 2 years in a row. Also not even winning 1 game?

      Mancini got it wrong, it’s an embarrassing exit for the champions of England. It’s not like Dortmund just edged them in either fixture, they were well beaten in both. The same for the Ajax game.

      You can’t play Barry and Garcia together in a 4-2-3-1 and expect creative attacking football, it doesn’t work. They are both to defensively minded

      • Adam

        December 4, 2012 at 10:38 pm

        It’s not a myth. I’m not saying they shouldn’t have done better, I’m not even saying they shouldn’t have outright qualified for the group stages. Their performances were underwhelming, lethargic and very, very poor for a team that are the Champions of England. I’m also not arguing that the ‘experience’ City apparently lack is the reason they haven’t qualified. They’ve got people like Toure amongst others who have a raft of combined experience.

        However, just like everyone and anyone who watches English football, the standards are set impossibly high by the media and those who criticise. It’s simply laughable that people expected City to blow away Dortmund and Real Madrid, who are both Champions of their own countries. The group this year is even more difficult than last year and I recognise that City aren’t helping themselves via not improving their co-efficient, but nonetheless – look at the group Arsenal were in and tell me that if City were in that group and Arsenal were playing Madrid/Dortmund/Ajax you’d expect Arsenal to get through that with even a single win.

        The co-efficient is a catch-22 for City now – they need to overcome it and do it quickly. If it doesn’t improve next year I expect Mancini will get the sack.

        Just on the subject of Barry/Garcia – with Silva, Toure and Milner out there wasn’t really all that much Mancini had to work with.

        • dust

          December 5, 2012 at 12:14 am

          ? La Liga on Top?

          english clubs dominated recent champions league co-efficient so much that those muppets at uefa had to change the rule to let less english clubs in. Which is why Spurs are not in it this year in -spite of finishing 4th. there Should be 5 english clubs in this years tournament.

          Its because the BPL is so strong the rule was brought in. Not because of la liga. teams.

          • dust

            December 5, 2012 at 12:15 am

            My bad Wrong post above is for Matt.

        • dust

          December 5, 2012 at 12:22 am

          I disagree that the medias expectations for city was too high, expecting the champions of England to get out of the group of champions is one thing, qualifying for Europa is another.

          Such a poor showing, Like I said earlier, they had qualification in their grasp, they had to beat Ajax, they SHOULD have beaten AJAX, they have the players, they showed that at RM.

          Expecting the premier league champs with a 300 million pound squad with a experienced manager such as Mancini to win just 1 game out of the 6 is NOT unrealistic.

          look at malaga, their group this year is about as tough as Man City’s last year but they got through.

          i can only imagine Mancini is praying Silva is ready for sunday, although, as long as he DOESNT start Dzeco I can only see Man City Winning on Sunday.

          • Adam

            December 5, 2012 at 1:50 am

            Really? I’m fully expecting a United win, as good as City are at home. I think he’ll start Aguero and Tevez – I think he’s still a little shaky on Balotelli starting such an important game.

          • Why?

            December 5, 2012 at 5:35 am

            Malaga’s group is about a tough as man city’s???? Maybe you should have a look at some of the clubs in city’s groups and the leagues they play in with the positions these clubs generally hold You’re pretty new to football are you? Believe me it shows!

          • Dust

            December 5, 2012 at 11:01 am

            City’s froup last year, not this again.

            LOL at why Whois new to reading

          • Why?

            December 5, 2012 at 3:56 pm

            So let’s get this straight some how the Belgium and Soviet leagues are some how better and have better teams than The German and Spanish leagues? You are a footie genuis!! Those are basically Europa teams that spurs struggle against! ‘About as tough as’? wow you defo only started following footie with spuds in the last two seasons didn’t you! #Clueless

      • Why?

        December 5, 2012 at 5:24 am

        Mate why are you such a plumb? If you’re not trying to have a go a city’s attendances when your own club barely has a turn out it smoothing else.

        Firstly he doesn’t mention Fergie or Utd he said Chelsea, but not only is being wrong on that good enough for you you then go in to tell people Fergie had no experience in Europe? Amazing as he won the European cup winners cup with Aberdeen and played two seasons in the the CL! It took him 5 attempts not to be beaten by teams like honved, Galatasry, Gothenburg and the team city played last night beat them home and away after 5 or 6 attempts never mind two. Utd’s groups were never having the German, Spanish and Dutch champions either the toughest CL group ever on record! they were mostly beaten by minnows. So Mancini had one more year in the CL than Fergie and made it out of the group stages every time and a quarter final in those first three years, unlike Fergie who flopped a lot worst than Mancini with City or Milan neither were getting knocked out by Galatasry with by far the most expensive set of players the UK had ever seen, unlike all Pillocks like you seem to think about City who’s team cost much less than Chelsea’s and around the same as Utd’s! As mourinho said himself from that group anyone could go. But you know better than him and Mancini just like the retarded commentators you get your info from week after week, I’ve seen the on fox etc, I felt dumber after listening to them, clueless they dont even have a clue of the basics they’re so bad I had to turn the sound off! It’s a bit like reading your ramblings here! I mean classic ‘it not like Dortmund just edge it either’ it was 1-0! No doubt ever shot they has ‘could’ have gone in though while not one of City’s would have eh?

        They didn’t play 4-2-3-1 either! And the midfielders more than did their jobs making sure City had the possession in an away game to the German champions, not young boys!! lol.

        ‘You can’t play football in a 4-2-3-1 and expect creative attacking football it doesn’t work’ truely embarrassing! I mean you must know that city played that system all last year? Remember it lead to the most goals and attempts at goal as well some of the most attacking football ever seen in the prem, what goes through your brain when you come out with stupid things like that god knows!

        • Dust

          December 5, 2012 at 11:08 am

          LoL…..Sush…you can’t read properly, read it again and look at the actuall points. I make and the try again. An example of this is the last paragraph you write about 4-2-3-1 where you miss the point completely, Barry and Garcia ARE NOT CREATIVE ENOUGH to use. Nothing to do with it being just just 4-2-3-1.

          If you read this blog on the regs and remembered any of it you would see I argue for 4-2-3-1 as being attacking formation with the right personnel.

          • Andrei

            December 5, 2012 at 1:52 pm

            I don’t think it has anything to do with the formations. RM and Dortmund are just better sides player by player. MC could have done better against Ajax though.

          • Dust

            December 5, 2012 at 2:19 pm

            Of course formations matter, it about match ups, big are not better player for player, they are coached better by put not better player for player, same with rm you can’t say RM are better player for player, you can say they are coached better.

          • Why?

            December 5, 2012 at 4:14 pm

            the point is dummy you didn’t have a clue what the formation was and don’t seem to get that Barry and Garcia are not especially there to be creative! That’s down to the other 5 attaching players on the pitch!

            I read this blog on a ‘regs’ and for lot longer than you, you always talk crxp and clearly aren’t that clued up on football, I mean how on earth can u mistake a 4-2-3-1 for a 3-5-1-1 which you say you can’t play Barry and Garcia just as well he didn’t isn’t it? And for your info City always play two midfielders maybe Barry, Toure, Garcia, Toure lsat year may have had a real defencive mid as De Jong rarely but true, whats the difference? I did tell you that with these kind of ‘NOT CREATIVE ENOUGH’ players in that position City managed more shots at goal than any other club in premier history! Go back to Basketbase lol

          • Why?

            December 5, 2012 at 4:23 pm

            Andrei, I disagree with Dortmund while they have some decent players I think City are better player for player. I think they surprised by City at home.Away they got the result that even Villa are capable of not that I’m comparing them just saying away as you have seen with Utd and Norwich and many more anything can happen. Of course Real Madrid are mostly much better player for player they are better than practically with maybe the exception of Barca.

    • Andrei

      December 4, 2012 at 4:49 pm

      At least they reached semi-finals right after they won EPL. In total they reached at least semi-finals 6 times and never went out at the group stage. This year could the first time though.

  7. Dust

    December 4, 2012 at 4:30 pm

    Selection wise & tactically Mancini has been shown up by Klopp. I hope Klopp stays in the bundesliga, would hate for him to go to one of the inevitable jobs svailablr this summer.

    Garcia is horrible, I’m not sure what Mancini sees in him, Nasri was terrible, miacon… Ned to go there. Tevez however has put in a real shift for city

  8. The Gaffer

    December 4, 2012 at 4:08 pm

    Borussia Dortmund are toying with Manchester City. They’re making it look so easy right now.

    The Gaffer

  9. Kagawa23

    December 4, 2012 at 4:03 pm

    Bias as usual from the,english commentators. Lol losing the B team of dortmund.

  10. Dust

    December 4, 2012 at 4:02 pm

    Dzeco needs to come off and ballotelli should come on… Or they will go out

    • Why?

      December 5, 2012 at 4:26 am

      They were already out!

      • Sammy

        December 5, 2012 at 6:03 am

        I think he meant out of the Europa League.

        • Why?

          December 5, 2012 at 7:04 am

          The Europa league? Yeah I think ya can keep it no one interested in it.

  11. Matt

    December 4, 2012 at 3:21 pm

    Martin Tyler seems to have a hard on for Joe Hat

  12. Dust

    December 4, 2012 at 3:15 pm

    WoW these refs are terrible, no way Garcia fouled anyone there.

  13. Dust

    December 4, 2012 at 2:55 pm

    As a sub Dzeco works well for city , but already his play is frustratingly sloppy, and I’m not a city fan. Mancini is surely asking why.

  14. Dust

    December 4, 2012 at 2:43 pm

    C’mon city

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