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England vs Ukraine, Euro 2012: Open Thread

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This is it. The match that almost all of us have been waiting to watch — England against Ukraine. The atmosphere will feel like a Premier League ground with vocal Ukrainian support. Hopefully Roy Hodgson’s men have what it takes to qualify for the next round. Anything other than a defeat will see England play either Spain or Italy in the next round.

As expected, Wayne Rooney goes directly into the England squad, with Andy Carroll moved to the substitute’s bench. Andriy Shevchenko, meanwhile, is 50/50 to start, but I’d be very surprised if we don’t see the former Chelsea striker playing for Ukraine today, in one of the biggest matches of their history.

England team: Hart, Johnson, Terry, Lescott, Cole, Milner, Gerrard, Parker, Young, Rooney, Welbeck.

Of course, France will be playing Sweden in the other match kicking off at the same time. If England win and France draw, England will finish top of the group and will play Italy on Sunday. If England wins and France wins, England will play Spain on Saturday. No pressure, right?

Before, during and after today’s match, post your rants, raves, questions and observations in the comments section below.

In the meantime, how confident are you that England can win this match? How nervous are you? Let us know in the comments section below.

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78 Comments

78 Comments

  1. Smokey Bacon

    June 19, 2012 at 9:14 pm

    I’m loving this England team. To be fair, Ukraine dominated the game and it was daylight robbery with the disallowed goal despite the shocking display by the officials who also missed the offside in the build up. But it’s job done yet again and on we go. England can out-Italy Italy on Sunday and grind out another 1-0. The pace and movement of Di Natale and Cassano might give Terry and Lescott problems. If Hodgson starts with Walcott for Milner, then he might want to go with Jagielka as a more defensive right back than Johnson, but whose pace might be required to help out Terry and Lescott. Carroll might be a better option than Welbeck who I suspect the Italians will be able to keep quiet more easily than the big Geordie. Hodgson has been 10/10 so far. A few more good calls and we are in the semis.

  2. Matt

    June 19, 2012 at 5:21 pm

    I shut off the game once the goal was disallowed, didn’t care anymore. I know there was an offsides before the goal but still, three days in a row; Denmark, Croatia, Ukraine…don’t get the rub of the green against “bigger” nations

    • Guy

      June 19, 2012 at 6:22 pm

      But Matt, they did get the rub. The offside was blatant, but not called.

      • Matt

        June 19, 2012 at 6:44 pm

        different Matt, and I agree Guy. Simple as can be.

  3. Matt

    June 19, 2012 at 5:19 pm

    That was one of the toughest goal line decisions I’ve seen in a while. I honestly can’t really blame the ref for getting it wrong. White ball, white net, white posts, white goal line. Terry wearing white everything. It was very difficult to see in real time.

    Which is why no official should have to make such a difficult decision. There is NO REASON WHATSOEVER not to have goal-line technology in these major tournaments.

  4. Tommy

    June 19, 2012 at 5:01 pm

    Offside, wrong decision.
    Goal disallowed, wrong decision.

    Who says “two wrongs don’t make a right!” 🙂

    • Guy

      June 19, 2012 at 6:18 pm

      Brilliant! 🙂

  5. Andrei

    June 19, 2012 at 4:49 pm

    A valiant effort from Ukraine but ultimately they were undone by a defensive mistake early in the second half. Had the score stayed 0-0 things could have gotten interesting given the goal line incident and Terry handball no-call late in the game. England didn’t play particularly well but they got the result.

    • Matt

      June 19, 2012 at 5:14 pm

      Though I do think Ukraine were hard done by the result, the Terry incident was ball to hand. He is moving across the mouth with the play and his arm is at his side. That wouldn’t even get called on Pepe in the Camp Nou.

      • Andrei

        June 19, 2012 at 5:22 pm

        Yes I agree it was correct no-call but I have seen penalty given in situations like this. As I said it could have made things quite interesting.

  6. Pete

    June 19, 2012 at 4:42 pm

    England vs Spain in final

  7. ipod

    June 19, 2012 at 4:40 pm

    Congrats for ENGLAND

  8. Pete

    June 19, 2012 at 4:36 pm

    Bring on Italy

  9. Pete

    June 19, 2012 at 4:34 pm

    What’s this kid doing? looks like he’s 35 and has played 85 minutes the way he’s moving about, better pull his finger out and start moving

  10. The Gaffer

    June 19, 2012 at 4:27 pm

    Here’s a photo of the ball crossing the line:

    https://twitter.com/epltalk/status/215175610337726464/photo/1

    Cheers,
    The Gaffer

    • Andrei

      June 19, 2012 at 4:38 pm

      At the end of the day I don’t think it would have mattered. Funny enough commentary on the official UEFA sifte doesn’t even mention the incident.

      • Matt

        June 19, 2012 at 5:12 pm

        Shhhh, it didn’t happen

  11. Pete

    June 19, 2012 at 4:26 pm

    Rooney has to giver that to Walcott

  12. gsnardo

    June 19, 2012 at 4:23 pm

    Time for goal line technology already. No reason not to use it with 21st century HD. Most major sports are using it now. Again NO reason not to use it.

  13. Dust

    June 19, 2012 at 4:16 pm

    Parker and Gerrard running their asses off, terry getting exposed is exactly why they play so deep all the time. Such a shame, Gerrard could be a lightning rod through the middle if terry didn’t suck.

  14. MNUfan1991

    June 19, 2012 at 4:15 pm

    OK. Hart can take an early shower now. Shevchenko will clear everything for England.

  15. Pete

    June 19, 2012 at 4:12 pm

    Yes, about time

  16. Matt

    June 19, 2012 at 4:11 pm

    wow. I guess the poor officiating is working both ways. Missed the offside call on that point blank header, and then missing that goal line decision.

    Tech

    • Dust

      June 19, 2012 at 4:13 pm

      The linesman missed the offsides. The build up to the goal line clearance.

  17. Jim

    June 19, 2012 at 4:09 pm

    Where’s the replay for that goal by Ukraine!!!! Come on Ukraine!

  18. Pete

    June 19, 2012 at 4:08 pm

    Is milner in this game? he’s doing nothing, dead on his feet

    • Dust

      June 19, 2012 at 4:09 pm

      he won the corner for the goal

  19. Frill Artist

    June 19, 2012 at 4:07 pm

    Even with 5 referees on the pitch, horrible calls like that are still made. Pathetic.

  20. Dust

    June 19, 2012 at 4:07 pm

    This linesman is terrible for not flagging for offside, and the 5th official is also blind for not seeing it go over.

    If he had allowed it that would have been brutal.

  21. Pete

    June 19, 2012 at 4:06 pm

    Justice for 2 years ago

    • Andrei

      June 19, 2012 at 4:08 pm

      Tell this to Ukraine. I’d say yet another robbery…

      • Dust

        June 19, 2012 at 4:12 pm

        He was offside, linesman missed the call so not really, ukraine do deserve something for playing better football tho.

  22. Guy

    June 19, 2012 at 3:58 pm

    Lovin’ Zlatan right now!

  23. Pete

    June 19, 2012 at 3:58 pm

    Sweden beating France

  24. Guy

    June 19, 2012 at 3:55 pm

    Rooney’s eyes must have gotten as big as the ball when he saw that sitter.

  25. The Gaffer

    June 19, 2012 at 3:52 pm

    A gift from Ukraine! Three awful mistakes leading up to the goal. England will gladly take it. Rooney’s easiest goal ever.

    Cheers,
    The Gaffer

  26. Pete

    June 19, 2012 at 3:51 pm

    Rooney Rooney Rooney, you have to say, shocking defence from Ukraine

  27. Guy

    June 19, 2012 at 3:51 pm

    WELL!

  28. Matt

    June 19, 2012 at 3:48 pm

    Okay, time to stop Bob Bradley-ing this thing and go for it.

  29. Pete

    June 19, 2012 at 3:40 pm

    Poor first half, it looked like we were going for the draw from minute 1. We’re making this team look great and the fact is, they’re not. We need more movement, there are too many English players stood doing nothing, no one’s moving and making space.
    I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, Milner is too slow and too lazy to be a winger

  30. Matt

    June 19, 2012 at 3:36 pm

    James Milner, the black hole where English attacks go to die.

    He’s been awful ever since he moved to City. I think Hodgson has done everything right except for putting this clown on the field. Why not start Ox? I agree that Walcott is the perfect super sub, and Ox would give you more control, activity and threat going forward.

    Maybe he’s just waiting until the knockout stage to spring it on Spain or Italy. Better hope that something changes because Ukraine looks likely to score…

  31. Guy

    June 19, 2012 at 3:36 pm

    If England don’t do better in the 2nd half, one of those Ukraine attacks is going to work. Aarrgh!

  32. Clampdown

    June 19, 2012 at 3:35 pm

    England is finding out what Kramer and Newman already know: “Ukraine not weak!”

  33. Alex Wolcott

    June 19, 2012 at 3:35 pm

    Not much of the ball, no ideas, vigour of the defense somewhat reminiscent of the Rolling Stones on stage. In 2012.

  34. The Gaffer

    June 19, 2012 at 3:34 pm

    POOR performance by England in the first half. They’re playing scared right now. A few flashes of brilliance now and again, but they’re playing far too tentative.

    I think it’s Hodgson’s system rather than players like Milner playing poorly. England is too focused on defending the nil-nil draw right now than playing for a win. I think that’ll only change if/when Hodgson makes a substitution. Maybe he’ll try to hang on for a nil-nil up ’til the 75th minute, and then bring on Walcott, and then The Ox a little later?

    Cheers,
    The Gaffer

    • Dust

      June 19, 2012 at 3:45 pm

      I agree it is the system making them look worse than they are, I was going to post about how dangerous we would be down the right if walker was fit and if ox or Walcott was on but realized, Hodgepodge tactics would negate any attacking prowess of those players. Sure walker would be solid and not troubled by Ukraine on the right but his offensive explosiveness wouldn’t be capitalized on.

  35. Dust

    June 19, 2012 at 3:31 pm

    This is worse football from England than the France game, Rooney needs service to feet, to his feet damn it.

  36. Pete

    June 19, 2012 at 3:27 pm

    Milner is having a shocker, he’s worse than usual

  37. Dust

    June 19, 2012 at 3:23 pm

    Christ,as Watching this defense i feel like at a pantomime when iwas 10. Errr…Johnson….. He’s behind you….. By like 15 yards! No he isn’t oh yes he is!

  38. Pete

    June 19, 2012 at 3:23 pm

    Milner off, Walcott on

  39. Guy

    June 19, 2012 at 3:21 pm

    Not really enjoying this. Ukraine looking way more dangerous than England.

  40. Dust

    June 19, 2012 at 3:17 pm

    Gerard distribution the only positive so far.

  41. Guy

    June 19, 2012 at 3:14 pm

    More of that!

  42. Alex Wolcott

    June 19, 2012 at 3:14 pm

    Rooney nails that header pre-hair plugs.

  43. Alex Wolcott

    June 19, 2012 at 3:13 pm

    Oh Milner! Could it be that we sang “we’re not really here” too much last year and you’re now taking it to heart?

  44. Dust

    June 19, 2012 at 3:05 pm

    Johnson, Milner, Young and Terry are having a mare!

  45. Dust

    June 19, 2012 at 2:43 pm

    This ref is a ba@$&!d damn it.

  46. Alex Wolcott

    June 19, 2012 at 2:43 pm

    Let’s go fellas! Need just a point but do please get ahead in this match so I can be a little less nervous.

  47. Dust

    June 19, 2012 at 2:42 pm

    Just noticed the name of the Ukraine nation anthem, “Ukraine has not yet perished” glass is half empty or full?

    • Andrei

      June 19, 2012 at 3:22 pm

      I would actually translate it “Ukraine is still alive (against all odds)”

      Shche ne vmerla Ukrayiny, ni slava, ni volya,
      Shche nam, brattia ukrayint’si, usmikhnet’sia dolia.
      Z-hynut’ nashi vorozhen’ky, yak rosa na sontsi,
      Zapanuyem i my, brattia, u svoyiy storontsi.

      Ukraine has not yet perished, nor her glory, nor her freedom,
      Upon us, fellow Ukrainians, fate shall smile once more.
      Our enemies will vanish like dew in the sun,
      And we too shall rule, brothers, in a free land of our own.

      • Dust

        June 19, 2012 at 3:41 pm

        So half full then

      • Andrei

        June 19, 2012 at 3:42 pm

        Btw Poland nation anthem has the same theme but in more forceful way:

        Jeszcze Polska nie zginęła,
        Kiedy my żyjemy.
        Co nam obca przemoc wzięła,
        Szablą odbierzemy.

        Poland has not yet perished,
        So long as we still live.
        What the alien force has taken from us,
        We shall retrieve with a sabre.

        • dust

          June 19, 2012 at 4:48 pm

          Not surprising considering all the oppression of the peoples in eastern europe for the past 700 years, jeez

          • Andrei

            June 19, 2012 at 5:17 pm

            Then you will probably appreciate a curious historical reference in the Polish anthem:

            Przejdziem Wisłę, przejdziem Wartę,
            Będziem Polakami.
            Dał nam przykład Bonaparte,
            Jak zwyciężać mamy.

            We’ll cross the Vistula and the Warta,
            We shall be Polish.
            Bonaparte has given us the example
            Of how we should prevail.

            This refers to Polish participation in Napoleon’s invasion of Russia in order to re-recapture Russian and Ukrainian territories they used to control as part of Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth.

  48. Dust

    June 19, 2012 at 2:39 pm

    C’mon England, england 3 ukraine 1 Rooney 2 goals, Scott parker 1 goal (I hope)

  49. Pete

    June 19, 2012 at 2:24 pm

    Walcott will play the super sub role, bring him on 60 mins into the game to run at a tired defence.
    Rooney for Carroll was expected.
    England should go for a big win, goals will be important to avoid Spain, well at least until the final (I can dream can’t I?)

  50. The Gaffer

    June 19, 2012 at 2:09 pm

    UPDATE: Andriy Shevchenko is not fit to start for Ukraine for their match against England. Big boost for The Three Lions.

    Cheers,
    The Gaffer

  51. Guy

    June 19, 2012 at 1:59 pm

    I am confident in saying that England should win this match. I just hope they are not looking past it in any way. I certainly don’t expect any kind of walkover, but will disappointed if they are not in command before the waning minutes of the match. I do not want to be praying for another Welbeck moment.

  52. scrumper

    June 19, 2012 at 1:37 pm

    Not many of those to the Swedish kilo!

  53. NC

    June 19, 2012 at 1:24 pm

    Starting left and going clockwise

    Yes, yes, yes, no.

    Nice curveball Alex.

    • CTBlues

      June 19, 2012 at 1:47 pm

      Uhm, there are only 3 pictures I am hoping you are counting the Swedish lady as two.

      • CTBlues

        June 19, 2012 at 1:49 pm

        Ga, facepalm there are two Ukranian chicks.

        • MNUfan1991

          June 19, 2012 at 3:53 pm

          I hereby withdraw any and all previous statements I made in regards to the female population of Ukraine.

          • Clampdown

            June 19, 2012 at 3:55 pm

            Mila Kunis is Ukrainian.

    • Guy

      June 19, 2012 at 1:53 pm

      Glad you were clear on that, NC. 😀

    • Jim

      June 19, 2012 at 3:54 pm

      There are three people that belong and one that doesnot.

      It was only a matter of time before Rooney made his mark. Ukraine has to fight back, and fight hard to get a victory to advance. Really hoping they can salvage the tournament for the co-host nations.

  54. Mohsin Mirza

    June 19, 2012 at 1:17 pm

    what does Theo Walcott need to do to start! this is ridiculous!

    • Lyle

      June 19, 2012 at 5:15 pm

      not ridiculous

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