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EPL Talk Podcast: Dec. 11, 2011

Not all the big names have played this weekend but that didn’t stop the football from flowing, so what did you find entertaining this weekend?

  • What are the big talking points? Does the referee still frustrate you and your side or have decisions gone your way?
  • With United winning 4 – 1 has that relieved the pressure?
  • Does this put more pressure on Chelsea and City to win tomorrow?
  • Has Martin O’Neill impressed you?

Add your points and and opinions in the comments below!

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  1. IanCransonsKnees

    December 12, 2011 at 7:27 am

    Here’s a question for all those wailing and bleating, Spurs fans or not.

    Would any of you have posted the same things if the decisions and result were the other way around? In my opinion there certainly wouldn’t have been 29 responses to this story.

    It seems to me that the less ‘unfashionable’ teams can be hard done to and nobody gives a damn, but if the weekend of the top six is ruined in any way, shape, or form there is automatically a crisis within the Premier League.

  2. Yes[apage

    December 11, 2011 at 9:33 pm

    Based on a few games last season, I think Stoke City fans know that refs can easily cost a team their game. It does suck for Tottenham that a few big calls were missed, though hardly as obvious as claimed, other than the red card. That was a rather weak 2nd yellow.

    If Rugby can do Instant Replay, so can European Football and I’m certain Stoke and Tottenham fans would welcome it, especially on the days they were robbed.

  3. jtm371

    December 11, 2011 at 6:42 pm

    any idea how a video official could be used from the press box?i would try it on goal or no goal and any penalty or missed penalty call.i know it will never happen just wonder what your thoughts are on the idea?

  4. Jason

    December 11, 2011 at 5:56 pm

    United eased the pressure with a good win against Wolves. Very important for their confidence.

    West Brom’s loss to Wigan eased the pressure on Martinez temporarily and questions will be asked of Hodgson.

    Arsenal once again got bailed out by RVP. How long can they continue to do it?

    Liverpool finally win at home but only scored one goal and continue to struggle in taking their chances in front of goal. Will they buy a striker in january and what do they do with the disappointing Carroll? Send him out on loan or sell him?

    Despite Spurs losing they played very well in the second half and could have gone on to win but for poor officiating. They should get back to winning ways next week when they play Sunderland at home.

    Sunderland may have won but I didn’t see much improvement in their play and if they were playing any other team besides Blackburn would have lost. Too early to judge O’Neill. Blackburn’s Keane got his tactics wrong in the second half by playing too defensively and that cost them. Only a matter of time before Keane is sacked.

  5. Pambo

    December 11, 2011 at 2:54 pm

    Yeah how anyone can claim spurs wouldnt have come close to a point, with a legit goal disallowed, at least one clear handball on the line, a second legit penalty claim and 60pc possession is beyond me.

    The poster above clearly needs to upgrade his seats if he didn’t catch these points in the game.

    And I mean this sincerely: Stoke deserved a point, and rode a lot of luck in getting the other two.

    • IanCransonsKnees

      December 11, 2011 at 4:39 pm

      That’s one of the points I’ve always made. Those of us lucky enough to actually attend see matches from a completely different perspective and don’t benefit from replay after replay. No contentious decision is allowed to be shown on the big screen in the ground so if you miss it you miss it. We don’t get the close up action shots you do because we’re always away from the action. But we’re part of the living breathing 90 minutes that’s happening. Which is why we can appreciate the referees position more than those used to watching their sport on screen.

  6. KOKOU

    December 11, 2011 at 2:40 pm

    I am seeing that some people on this portal are afraid of the truth. Given the high standard of the premier league, there are need of update in referees’ practice so that viewers can witness fairs, descent and beautiful games of football across the globe, for all and mostly for poor people who spent the last of their pennies to watch a soccer/football match for at least 90 min…, 90 minutes of that joy will prevent someone of a heart attack,…and give hope of life for some others….. Mr Foys hould have done better.
    I am bitter, very bitter

  7. gbewing

    December 11, 2011 at 2:30 pm

    US Stoke fan interesting comments since Bassong must have been skinned on the bench he didn’t enter until 45- and how a manager chooses to strategize his roster is dependent on team goals- the very thing you point at as a minus for Spurs actually is a plus. Stoke has struggled in league following Europa games, Tottenham has their primary goal to qualify for Champions league not Europa- seems like a valid strategy and they could even qualify out of group stage with those C teamers-

  8. US Stoke Fan

    December 11, 2011 at 2:25 pm

    In terms of topics:

    1. Does Roy Hodgson deserve some scrutiny at Albion? The loss at the Hawthorns to Wigan has to be on of the worst losses of the season and keeps WBA seated firmly in relegation range. The squad isn’t particularly weak, and under Di Matteo the squad seemed to have jelled quite a bit before a poor run of form doomed him.

    2. January Transfer Window Talk: Where is the movement? United desperately needs more firepower in the center of midfield and they should grab another striker if they aren’t ever going to play Berbatov again. Is Chelsea going to spend more money? They blew 50 million pounds on Torres; and it looks like another 20 on Luis; are they really going to try and drop another 40 million adding to a squad that needs to turnover?

    3. Arsenal: Very quietly Arsenal has re-built on the fly and stabilized. They’ve been the most successful EPL squad in the Champions League thus far and have successfully transferred from a more egalitarian style of attack to a style that focuses primarily on RVP to do the heavy lifting. If Gervinho improves and begins finishing more of those chances then when this squad adds Wilshere back it will re-threaten the top 4.

    4. Stoke City: 8th in the Table; Undefeated in Europa League play; qualified with a match to spare in a group that included Besiktas and Dynamo Kiev. Considering the added matches and travel to Switzerland, Croatia, Ukraine, Istanbul, & Israel; the squad has held up well. This squad may get a second wind with fewer european matches after January and could additionally benefit from integrating Palacios and Shotton into the EPL squad on a regular basis.

    • IanCransonsKnees

      December 11, 2011 at 2:51 pm

      To add to point number four US Stokefan Stoke have their highest pre-christmas points haul since being in the Premier League, and we’ve still got Man City and Wolves to play. That’s despite the fact that we’ve played ten games more than most other teams, which absolutely no one is giving us credit for.

      Whilst the rest of you are all bitching and whining about the referee and how he got decisions wrong that you got to see from th e comfort of your armchair, five times over, I’ll go and have a look at the last 32 of teh Europa League and decide which away leg I might travel to. Nothing like being there in the flesh rather than watching it on the box 😉

      • Jared

        December 12, 2011 at 2:05 am

        Jesus your a prick

        • IanCransonsKnees

          December 12, 2011 at 2:59 am

          Enjoy your skewed perspective then. The point I’m making is that those of us there will not be able to view the game with the benefit of technology and umpteen views. We see it once, the same as the referee and thats what makes viewing in the flesh completely different from viewing on screen. We pay a small fortune to travel around the country, and other weeks we’ll be Spurs position with every decision seemingly going against us. BUT when it isn’t one of the big boys you never get the same demands for technology or say they won it because of the ref. Look at the Spurs v Stoke match last season, Stoke put the ball 2 feet over the goal line, Peter Crouch pushes it out with his hand, the game goes on and the goal isn’t given. Who was the referee? Chris Foy. I can’t say that I’m jealous of anyone who gets every view of every incident, it makes it a clinical experience devoid of pace and passion. It’s very rare I bother to watch football on television because of this.

          • Jared

            December 12, 2011 at 12:05 pm

            Skewed perspective? I get the fact I cannot be at matches in England live because I live in North America. I understand your point completely. Don’t come on here and brag about being able to go to matches live and throw it in our faces. THAT is why you are a prick, not because I don’t understand your point

          • IanCransonsKnees

            December 12, 2011 at 1:18 pm

            From that point of view Jared you’re bang on, my intention was to get a little rise. There’s so many people on this thread seeing it from the POV of the small screen if they got out there and watched teams local to home, WHATEVER the level then the response may be a little more measured.

            However I’d hazard a guess I’ve seen more football teams play in the States than most people have on here. The best of it is if we got dragged half way around the world for a 39th game people in the countries we went to would still watch it on the box rather than get off there arse and go to see it in the flesh. So far as I can tell that’s the difference in the sporting cultures of Europe and the USA, I’m not saying we don’t have it easy due to the size of the country on a league level, but in the Europa league we’ve had to travel around 12,000 miles plus so far. it’s the same for any club playing European football but there will always be a hardy away following.

            With regard to the European experience (as there’s been little mention of it on here) it’s been outstanding. Fantastic bonds have been made with Kiev with many Stokies going back over there for New Year and since England have been drawn with the Ukraine many more Stoke fans are going back just to meet up with the friends we’ve made over there.

  9. IanCransonsKnees

    December 11, 2011 at 2:15 pm

    He looks like a chimp, he looks like a chi-imp! Gareth Bale, he looks like a chimp.

    Just got back, given all the hype around Spurs I expected more than this. For everybody moaning about Kaboul’s second yellow he should get a roasting from Redknapp about the first for dissent. If he’d kept his mouth shut he wouldn’t have put the referee in the position of having to send him off.

    As for Scott Parker, perfect example of why I don’t give a damn about England. Gets tackled first half, has what looks like a fit on the floor flinging his legs around. Stoke kick the ball out for treatment and he jumps up to start remonstarting with the ref for not giving a free kick. He spent the rest of the match smarming around Foy. Waste of space.

    If Spurs hadn’t had the penalty they wouldn’t have come close to getting a point, Stoke were back on form in terms of workrate and closing down which upset Spurs creative players rythmn. You could see when Modric was allowed to play the danger he is.

    As for the penalty I sit at the other end of the stadium so couldn’t tell if it was a dive or not.

    As per usual we’ll get no credit but it hasn’t been any different for the past three seasons, it’s always the other team played poorly or the ref gifted us the game.

    Tommy Sorensen had a cracking match today given he’s been bench warming for the past few months, Shawcross was unlucky not to score towards the end with a blinding save from Friedel (lots of love from the Stoke fans when he came out second half) and another carbon copy onto the bar straight after.

    All in all a decent start to December. We’re awful over Christmas nearly every year, I’d like Santa to give me a decent run of results over Christmas and New Year for once.

    Get Istanbul out of the way on Thursday and we can concentrate on the league until February.

  10. US Stoke Fan

    December 11, 2011 at 2:02 pm

    Tottenham Hotspur Transfer Value = 240 million pounds
    Stoke City Transfer Value = 91.5 million pounds

    Cry me a river Spurs Fans. Not to mention that you’ve been playing your “C” side in Europa League matches and are on the verge of elimination while most of our starters have played an additional 9 matches. When the revenue is remotely even; and when the playing field is remotely fair you can whine about missed calls. The fact of the matter is if you can’t overcome a couple of questionable calls with a bench that cost more than our starting 11 that’s your problem; stop bitching and put the ball in the net.

    The story of the match was Ryan Shotton skinning Bassong and Assou-Ekotto for the first 30 minutes; and a finally fit Matthew Etherington providing pace.

    It was a good game.. end to end with a lot of pace; challenges; and chances.

    • J

      December 11, 2011 at 3:23 pm

      So it’s then up to the referees to “even the playing field” because of disparities in transfer funds? What a ridiculous comment. Missed calls are missed calls, and I don’t see how you determine the playing field is unfair because of what you deem the quality is of the players based on their transfer price.

      Everyone is playing by the same rules, with 11 men on the field, in the top flight of English football. There will always be disparities in the funds teams have to spend on players, that’s just a fact of football. You’re in the top flight, you shouldn’t even want to win by the way you describe the “playing field” being leveled. Ridiculous.

      Stoke definitely deserved a point and it was a great game, but you’re view of fair and unfair is delusional, fair is played out on the field. Adebayor did put the ball in the net, and was onside by several feet to have the referees disallow it. A game is 90 min long and if your Stoke only dominate the first half you can’t feel entitled to a win because there “value” of the squad is less.

      Just to be clear, I’m not a Spurs fan, quite the opposite, but your reasoning if way off.

  11. Eli

    December 11, 2011 at 2:00 pm

    Wolves did Man-U a favor this weekend they played terrible defense, leaving way too much space for Rooney and Nani to operate, and besides Jarvis working over Smalling at right back they looked pretty toothless going forward. While this will definitely satisfy the more fickle fans, I won’t be convinced United are back on the right track till they play a good 90 minutes against at least a midtable worthy side that could put up a fight.

  12. pambo

    December 11, 2011 at 1:30 pm

    Two handballs on the line, and one perfectly on side disallowed goal.

    Of course Spurs were robbed.

    Chuck in the fact that Stokes opener was assisted by a handball, the soft sending off, time wasting on every throw and a few other more minor refereeing mistakes, and it makes this all the clearer for me.

    Stoke worked hard, probably deserved a point, but not all three. And it would have been better to see that happen as a result of their own actions, not the repeated failures of the officials.

  13. gbewing

    December 11, 2011 at 1:05 pm

    The pulling down of Kaboul hardly dependent on replay- the hand balls and off sides maybe but after 3 or 4 someone has to do their job linesman-Foy – 4th official somebody watch the game then to see the irony of Kaboul being sent off was ironic to say the least considering his 1rst yellow was protesting the missed call to begin with. I still put that on Kaboul but the Spurs players were clearly frustrated. I will say Stoke played very well-dominated first half with set pieces and physical play- Spurs made good adjustments and I felt a draw was deserved.

  14. Phil

    December 11, 2011 at 1:04 pm

    spurs fan here, and while I feel like those calls without a doubt cost the game spurs were due for some calls not to go their way (after the bolton red card last week). these things ebb and flow…hopefully the wrongfully called off goal, the hand ball and the bogus red for kaboul will mean spurs got all their bad calls out in this game…on to the next one

    • Reba

      December 11, 2011 at 5:47 pm

      I agree. No doubt that Stoke had a lot of help from the ref today. But as a Liverpool fan, I think back to our game against Spurs and I feel little sympathy. First of all, Liverpool failed to show up in that game, but there is also no doubt that the ref helped Spurs quite a bit, including the harsh sending off of Charlie Adam. Every team has one of these games. (some more often than others….) But you just have to deal and move on. Overall, Spurs haven’t been that harshly treated this season.

  15. Matt P

    December 11, 2011 at 1:03 pm

    The issue is simply that the ref did not miss 1 or 2 calls, but many. Ade’s goal was likely onside, and there was not 1 missed handball in the box but 3, at least. Some awfully rough play from stoke missed, as well (ex: the pull leading to Bassong’s first yellow). Incredibly poor job by Foy, IMO. Cost Spurs the game outright

    • Matt P

      December 11, 2011 at 1:04 pm

      ^^ Meant Kaboul, not sure why I typed Bassong!

  16. Ivan

    December 11, 2011 at 12:41 pm

    Spurs robbed on several occasions! Shocking from Foy and the linesman! (I am not a Spurs fan) Bologna/Milan was a joy to watch this morning, the weekend was dominated by the Real/Barca spectacle…

    • The Gaffer

      December 11, 2011 at 12:43 pm

      Unfortunately, for me, El Clasico was not much of a spectacle. Another one sided performance by Barcelona with Real Madrid failing to show up. Stoke against Tottenham was far more entertaining.

      The Gaffer

  17. Jared

    December 11, 2011 at 12:34 pm

    Right about now I am finding the official for Tottenham v Stoke to be highly entertaining. I am a fan of neither squad but the missed calls this official has made are comical at best. I also find it entertaining that it takes shotton a full minute to produce a throw in. Great time waster that is…

    • The Gaffer

      December 11, 2011 at 12:47 pm

      The refs will always be at a disadvantage without the same ability that the viewers at home have — to watch replays from different angles, and slo-mo. It’s too easy for us to unfairly judge refs.

      The Gaffer

      • Todd

        December 11, 2011 at 12:51 pm

        I think he did a decent job all things considered. It’s tough to officiate on a day like that, wow, entertaining stuff.

      • The Gaffer

        December 11, 2011 at 12:56 pm

        Should Spurs feel cheated? Absolutely yes. But until referees have access to the same video replay technology as we do, the current system is the best we can hope for. It’s not fair on referees (or football clubs).

        The Gaffer

        • MennoDaddy

          December 11, 2011 at 1:41 pm

          Chris Foy should never ref another game again in the EPL. I’m beyond incensed about that officiating display. Spurs were absolutely robbed.

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