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When is Enough Enough For Arsenal Supporters?

Never before in the history of the Premier League has there been such a emphatic changing of the guard on one day. On Sunday, Manchester City completely thrashed Tottenham Hotspur 5-1 at White Hart Lane. The way City dominated the game was breathtaking. And the score could have been much worse if it wasn’t for Tottenham goalkeeper Brad Friedel.

Later that day, Manchester United completely destroyed Arsenal in such a convincing manner that I felt sorry for Arsenal, their players and supporters. It was almost like watching a lamb to the slaughter. Helpless. Sorry. Distraught. Embarrassed.

This season, which is just three games in, must be a very trying time for Arsenal supporters. Arsenal, right now, is a ticking time bomb. But if you are a Gunners fan — or if you’re someone who has an opinion — when is enough enough regarding this team? When does something drastic need to happen such as sacking Arsene Wenger or hiring a football director who is responsible for signing players? Obviously Arsenal is broken. But how much more time do you give the club to fix the situation? Is it two days until the transfer window is over? Is it at the end of the January transfer window? Or is it now, or a time in the future?

Share your opinion in the comments section below and let everyone know, when is enough enough for Arsenal supporters?

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  1. d doc

    August 30, 2011 at 5:51 am

    I completely agree with the “Inevidence” post. In retirement,these players don’t want to look into their cabinets and see ’49 games unbeaten’. If your team was that good there should be trophies and laurels to show for it. Full stop. Shikena.

  2. InEvidence

    August 30, 2011 at 2:10 am

    I think a large part of Arsenal’s problem, despite what some say, is Wenger and Wenger only. He stated his ideals, worked for years on it…..and herein lies the fault…he persisted DESPITE the results and at some point, made a stone cold decision he would not give up on his youth project. The man has been waiting, waiting to see his ideals flower….because he believes so blindly in it, he won’t see its flaws. 6 years and no trophy and you have to say that someone is forcing a blind eye, taking a delusion to new heights.
    As a manager of a top team in football, your number one priority is to win. Whatever style of football you play, it has to produce results you need. Ferguson has winning as his number one matter what style or type of player he needs..he gets it done. For clubs and players, they want that because fundamentally a player has a 15-20 year career if they’re lucky. If he’s professional and talented, it means nothing to him if he doesn’t have trophies to show for it. You can sing pretty praises to Fabregas till he’s an old man twiddling his toes…but he will still feel dissapointed he never won anything as a footballer. Modric does not (only) want to go to Chelsea because they will pay more….Nasri did not (only) go to City for the money. These guys are young and ambitious (like anybody) and logically saw that they had a better chance of winning something with City and Chelsea than Tottenham and Arsenal. Look at the teams and if you were a player, don’t you think City and Chelsea have a better chance of winning you something this season? Look at what happened to Fabregas in the last few weeks…

    Barca worked on all that talent in LaMasia and did that while they were winning things…it never has to be either. If you play a young team, it is because it is the best team to win that game. Wenger is really dragging some of those careers down and he has to either realize his philosophy has huge shortcomings in reality or publicly say that his philosophy matters more to him than winning…more than the club.

    • Dlink04

      August 30, 2011 at 8:29 am

      You love Jose don’t you

  3. FergiesArmy

    August 29, 2011 at 11:27 pm

    Sorry for the long post but a quick add on, who will Arsenal replace Wenger with if they sack him? Regardless if he is “over the hill” or not Arsene has produced some of the best football played in the premier league era. Three games is by no means justification for a sacking after 15 years. And this is from a United fan.

    • Jack Tomczuk

      August 30, 2011 at 12:34 am

      Sacking Arsene Wenger three games into the Premier League season would be the biggest sign of Arsenal’s decline. This is from a Gooner.

      • np

        August 30, 2011 at 12:44 am

        Exactly. Thats a newcastle or other team way of doing things. Arsenal have usually been patient with managers. It will take not qualifying for the champions league for the board to take action and even then I think they will give arsenal another year to get back into the champions league and if he doesn’t he will be at the end of his contract so they can part ways without paying compensation to him (6 million pounds per year). So i still think arsenal have 2 more years with wenger assuming they finish 5-6th this year and qualify for the europa league.

  4. FergiesArmy

    August 29, 2011 at 11:24 pm

    I think the real problem, not just evidenced by the decline of the Gunners, but the rise of Chelski and Citeh is obvious. It is entirely due to the wealth of the owners. Clubs languishing in mediocrity are suddenly able to become world class by being acquired by a ridiculously wealthy owner, seen as mere playthings, while great storied clubs like Everton scrape by year after year with no potential buyers. I am a United fan through and through, but I do not mean this as an attack on any club for taking advantage of a situation. with the current rules, all the power to them. I sadly never thought it could come to this, but it is obvious the problem with an even playing field is wages. As displayed most recently, but for a long time, the recent Luka Modric saga, just to name one of many. Players will have their heads turned by money. Though many find this appalling, a player may be earning 150 thousand pounds a week, but if they get injured and their career is ended, they will be released and be jobless. In the same situation, would you not jump ship to treble your wages? I never though I would say this, but using an alternative method of a salary cap used in American sports coupled with gross club revenue may be the most viable answer. Though it would help influence a players decision to stay or go to a new club, I do understand the selling club would still accept the bid of the highest paying club. While it might not be a perfect solution, it seems a more viable interim stop gap to the dominance if rich owners. At least in this right, the club would only be able to spend in wages what they make in revenue. This is made clear by the recent strikes throughout European Leagues for unpaid wages. A business only can spend what they make, or they are in debt. The same should be said for Football clubs.

  5. Gaz Hunt

    August 29, 2011 at 9:58 pm

    I think this cycle is going to continue for a while. Wenger’s building period has come to an end and he now has to start over again. But he’s not going anywhere and (surprise) will continue to not spend much money. He’ll get young prospects, grow them to good players, get a few years out of them, and sell them. Same as it ever was.

    At worst, they’ll stick it out outside of the top four for a few years and continue to race towards that debt paid-off – then they’ll be miles ahead of everyone else and be able to throw money at players.

  6. Rob

    August 29, 2011 at 8:56 pm

    Transfers and money aside for a moment what happened yesterday tactically was more embarrassing in my opinion. Blame injuries and suspensions all you like but Wenger’s inability to work with the squad he had was equally as disgraceful. An entire reserve back four and no real cdm and they tried to attack Man united as if they were Barcelona? Didn’t even look like he attempted to try and change his philosophy for the game. I gave a huge amount of credit to Wenger for the way he approached last years second leg against Barca, he played it to win in total contrast to his style. Yesterday though?

  7. Guy

    August 29, 2011 at 8:49 pm

    This is all sounding eerily like the Liverpool/Rafa conversation of last year. So we know how it is going to end, right?

  8. CJ

    August 29, 2011 at 8:30 pm

    Wegner needs to go! He has not done anything with the team refuses to buy big players because he has faith in his team. I have faith in the team but if they are not playing well its time to make change. Wenger out!

    • gosyug

      August 30, 2011 at 6:03 pm

      You honestly sound like you’re 12 years old..


  9. Hoosiergunner

    August 29, 2011 at 7:00 pm

    I’ve been reading the articles on this site for a while now, and overall I’ve found everyone’s comments insightful and informative… now enough to be drawn into the conversation, especially since it’s about the team I love.

    I just finished watching the second big La Liga blow out of the weekend, and as much as I love to watch Barca play, I have to agree that the lack of parity between big money teams and small money teams in numerous leagues is a disheartening sign for the sport as a whole. In many ways, this last weekend was more boring than anything else… who wants to watch any team get pummeled, even if it is done artfully (I mean Barca in this instance… I refuse to admit that there was anything “artful” to Man U’s victory)?. There’s a reason Yankees v. Royals baseball games are only fun for 3 innings.

    Yes, as a “longer-term” supporter (there is always someone more expert, more diehard than you) of Arsenal, I admit that this weekend was nothing short of embarrassing… but it was also troubling on a larger level, hitting home the realization that the EPL is turning into a two-team (maybe three team… but I don’t Chelsea will compete until next year) race driven by nothing other than sacks and sacks of money, not unlike its Spanish counterpart. A classic (and another) case of the “haves” and the “have nots,” a widening gap that soon will be difficult to span… who said soccer wasn’t a microcosm for the current state of world affairs (There’s a dissertation in there somewhere)?

    Truth is, or appears to be: Within the current system, if you spend enough money, you can “buy” any number of accolades and trophies (I just can’t figure out why the tight purse strings at Arsenal… why are we acting like a “have not”? I always thought we were somewhere more middle-class, thus proving the basis of meritocracy.)… It’s also important to note that the approach of teams to purchase and then bench the very best players in the league so they are unavailable to create some balance in the game playing for other teams is reprehensible… if you were a player, at some point wouldn’t you realize you’d sold your soul? There’s a reason the “survival games” at the bottom of the table are more entertaining than the 5-0, 6-0 blowouts between the bigs and the smalls. To put all this money talk in perspective: I am in the process of reading about the origins of this “money mess” in the EPL via the fantastic book “The Damn United”… highly recommended, very pertinent.

    But back to the Gunners… become a “jump on board” Man City fan? I don’t think so. My soul is pure. The thought of a supporter abandoning his/her team is the equivalent in my mind to considering divorcing one’s wife… ’til death do us part (Or perhaps relegation… I guess everyone has a limit). I don’t want AW’s head on a platter. I will always trust that The Professor has plan (No coach wants their team to fail), and I will always believe that sticking by one’s ideals, even if it means suffering through a rough patch, is better than selling one’s soul… I just want some transparency, some explanation… because as another poster suggested, I just can’t see the master plan right now.

    For better or for worse.

    • Guy

      August 29, 2011 at 7:36 pm

      Nice post. 🙂

    • MG

      August 29, 2011 at 10:06 pm

      “There’s a reason Yankees v. Royals baseball games are only fun for 3 innings”

      They’re actually split 3-3 for the season so far against the Royals.. As a Yankees fan, they aren’t exactly Man Utd dominant anymore.. Sure they make the playoffs (through wild cards now..) but it’s not a guaranteed WS win.

      Your point is still taken though.. Fantastic (first?) post.

  10. Thomas

    August 29, 2011 at 6:29 pm

    Arsene has never been one to splash big in the transfer market…

    But it it’s odd that a man that has this sort of grasp on football let things slide to this point.

    I honestly believe there is more that meets the eye. It’s a bit insane to think Arsene would really think the side he fielded could compete in the EPL.

  11. Jleau

    August 29, 2011 at 3:42 pm

    I’m a diehard Arsenal fan and this problem is deeper than “X” number of players being signed. Arsene and the board are equally to blame. The board is slavishly attached to wage and transfer policies that have slowly been eroding the quality for several years. They control the money, the plan, and pick the manager. I can’t think of anything they have done right in footballing terms for awhile.

    Arsene simply can’t adapt. He is at least partially responsible for the pathetic squad available for the game yesterday and totally at fault for the terrible Tactics. Why we were playing such a high line is beyond belief. What are they doing on the training ground? The def was disorganized, and the defenders looked dazed and confused. When Walcott is barking out instructions all is lost. Wenger’s response, take out the DM and throw on a 17 yr old winger.

    Players are needed but the manager has to go. I still like and respect Wenger but look at the body language of the players. These boys need an a$$ kicker and Wenger just can’t do that.

    • Dlink04

      August 29, 2011 at 6:10 pm

      If there is money to spend from the board,it’s better to stick with Arsene

  12. Patrico

    August 29, 2011 at 2:32 pm

    Even if Arsenal were to buy the top remaining players out there (Sneijder, Cahill — who else would really help?), does anyone think they have a shot at Top 4 this year?

    So what is their best-case scenario? Top 6 finish and make it out of Champions League group stage? Seems like they already have a squad that can do that.

    So maybe they pretty much sit tight. If Vermaelen, Wilshere, Gervinho and Song are back in, it’s a strong side. But it’s now clear that they have no depth if there are injuries.

    • Dlink04

      August 29, 2011 at 2:59 pm

      Yes adding 4 to 5 quality players is enough to be in top 4.

    • np

      August 30, 2011 at 12:37 am

      It will be tough to stay in the top 4 but I think 5th is likely. But remember, it only takes a long injury to saurez at liverpool for 4th to be realistic. Anything can happen and arsenal’s first 11 can compete with liverpool and tottenham. I just hope wenger realizes its all about the squad and this talk of 3 players needed (including park who was relegated in france last year and hardly prolific) is not true. We needed 2 signings at the beginning of the summer and we have lost about 6 players that could play in the first team (nasri, cesc, clichy, eboue, denilson and also bendtner who will leave). We need 5-6 players that can play now and not for the future. We need a top class creative midfielder, starting left back, central defender, quality striker with a proven record, winger and a utility player.

  13. NJ

    August 29, 2011 at 2:25 pm

    I can’t rationalize getting rid of Arsene here. He is in a very tough situation with the departure of Cesc and Nasri. Yes the loss yesterday was embarrasing, and shouldn’t have happened regardless of the number of injuries, but I still have faith in Arsene putting out a great team that plays a beautiful brand of soccer and wins games and trophies. Arsenal needs new blood and hopefully we will see some in the coming days, but I would hate to see the board make a hasty decision.

  14. Why?

    August 29, 2011 at 1:02 pm

    Arsenal have no option to pay big wages and big fees unless as that is what big club have to do to stay big. Unless they want to keep slipping behind City, Utd, Liverpool, and Chelsea and become a smaller club that is. They can sign all the decent 16-17 year olds they want but a soon as they become any good some other team will just come and take them. Just like what has gone on for years with smaller clubs, if you won’t pay the wage someone will and Arsenal will end up just like those smaller clubs that’s what happens in football always has always will. Unless Arsenal up their wage structure it’s bye bye big boys.

    • Erik

      August 29, 2011 at 2:01 pm

      Agreed. It does not matter if Arsenal do not like what Man City and Chelsea are doing, it is happening and unless the Fair Play rules are pretty drastic and sanctions are enforced as seriously as FIFA claim, this will not change. It hurts to say, but the reality is that pretty much all of Wenger’s past success in the last 14 years were courtesy of teams built in a time where the economics of the game were different. They really had only to contend with a couple teams in Europe with the capital to just shower money on the clubs and players, now there are several. It’s not an appealing choice to keep up with the Joneses, but I can’t imagine that the increased wages would cost them more than losing out on the Champions League and other sources of revenue only available to the elite clubs.

      • why?

        August 29, 2011 at 3:43 pm

        Forget about FFP they are not there to stifle Chelsea and City. I suppose a way to see it is that Arsenal if they wish to make their businessmen owners profit as they demand they will have Problems other wise what’s the point for them being in business? Now man city and chelsea’s owners are more interested winning so making a profit doesn’t really matter to them at all. You may think this is bad but I’ll tell you now that’s more in line with how football used to be. Those clubs that are about making money and not that bothered if they win as long as they stay in the top four have another thing coming, basically if they don’t spend some more of those profits they may end up in trouble and as wages are now at a certain level they have no choice it’ sink or swim in the prem and those with the bigest desire to win will swim far.

  15. R2Dad

    August 29, 2011 at 12:39 pm

    Where the hell is the next David Dein? He was director and acted as sporting director. Arsenal haven’t replaced him with like, just as they have not replaced Cesc and Samir with like. So of course, when enough influential personnel leave and are replaced with stiffs you get poor results. The Newcastle match was the first big indication that play on the pitch had eroded due to managerial imbalances. Until that moment there was no reason to suspect that AW had insurmountable problems. But, he allowed the transfers of Cesc and Samir to hang all summer long, preventing him from making a couple solid signings before the tour. Now the season has started and already there is the stench of desperation in the air. Which top player is going to want to sign up for that? All so Arsenal could save a few million selling their two stars. Never thought I would compliment Fergie, but at least he bought/sold early to settle the squad. So Wenger didn’t learn from the Flamini debacle after all. Dein is gone, and no one is there to push AW to be more pragmatic and less tight-fisted. Usmanov and Kroenke, you have allowed this cratering–what have you done about it? Nothing, it appears. BTW, issuing some lame memo about the board giving Wenger your full support and confidence is worse than keeping quiet. Just sayin’.
    The smartest thing to do now is buy Schneider & Cahill, just to staunch the bleeding. You’ll have to overpay (by your own estimates), but better that than to flop around for the next 4 months, playing like crap and waiting for the winter transfer window (which AW in his wisdom has always eschewed) to reload.
    I would love to be a fly on the wall at the next Arsenal board meeting, when all the daggers come out. I expect more shuffling of deck chairs as the Arsenal ship slips beneath that 4th spot in the table. Champions League, we knew you well.

  16. Jason

    August 29, 2011 at 12:32 pm

    As much as I enjoy seeing the misery of Arsenal, Arsene is not to blame here its the board who are not providing the cash to get players, all the while they charge ridiculous prices at their stadium. If I go to Enland to see game…Arsenal is not on that list thats for sure.

    • MG

      August 29, 2011 at 1:41 pm

      “If I go to Enland to see game…Arsenal is not on that list thats for sure.”

      That’s because you’re clearly not an Arsenal fan.. Quite simple haha. But yes, you’re right, the ticket prices, both singular and season tickets, aren’t reflected on the pitch, especially recently.

      As for people who don’t even support a team and want to see glamour and goals, they’ll go to Old Trafford or the Bridge, or Etihad Stadium nowadays.

  17. Adam

    August 29, 2011 at 12:20 pm

    Leave it to a Man City fan to suggesting spending money as the solution.

    • Shmeedy24685

      August 30, 2011 at 11:08 am

      Well you have to spend money to compete! Every big European club has spent hundreds of millions over the past 5 seasons! i am a city fan & the majority of our buys have been wasted, but it’s the owners money & they can spend as much as they want, the last 2 season, we have brilliant signings, Silva, Yaya Toure, Dzeko, Kompany, De Jong, Barry, Milner & Tevez have all been great signings, yes Dzeko tool a while too settle in & too score goals but look at Torres, £50 million for 1 premier league goal! Arsenal have too spend, and fast too bring in quality players, they will get some decent players in but as stubborn as Wenger is, he must realise that he’s must pay over the odds now for players!

  18. Daniel

    August 29, 2011 at 12:06 pm

    I think the answer to this question is one of economics. We know with relative certainty that the wage structure at Arsenal is a big issue. If we can’t pay big name players, we probably won’t get big name players. Who is behind this wage structure and what are the reasons for its implementations? If we had concrete answers to this, I’m sure we could point the finger of blame more assuredly.

    • Jon

      August 29, 2011 at 12:25 pm

      Hey Daniel,

      I totally agree, and your well-though out comment is a real rarity when people comment on this topic. People always forget wages when they talk about transfers and it is not often mentioned mentioned in the “Board/Arsene is at fault for this transfer mess”. I hear a lot of talk about how Young will cost the same as The Ox, and how we should have all this money to spend on transfers, but what people fail to recognize time and time again is that the transfer of a player has two components: the transfer fee to the other club, and the wages of the player coming in.

      Wenger gets roasted constantly about paying under the odds when it comes to transfer fees, but I actually don’t think this is the root of our transfer problem. I suspect that there is both enough market information and also excess cash in the transfer kitty to fund expensive bids for players. We can pay 22 million for Mata or M’Vila or even 40 million for a player like Tevez or Schneider or Kaka. The problem, in my opinion, is the fact that Arsene and Arsenal continue to adhere to a strict wage structure, which pays highly for potential, but very poorly for high-end players. For example, we’ve got Denilson on 45 or 50 K a week, but our top earner bracket is 90K a week. As opposed to Chelsea or United or City or Liverpool or even the vermin, all of whom will pay well over that for wages.

      Our transfer bid for Mata was almost identical to Chelsea’s. And as much as Mata says it was for sporting reasons, the real hard fact is he will make over 100,000K a week for certain at Chelsea, and possibly much more.

      We could pay 40 million for Schneider or Kaka or Tevez, up front money, but we’ll never pay the 150,000+ wages these players demand.

      And it is a real double edged sword – because not only does it increase the cost of the player (therefore The Ox does not come close to the real cost of Ashley Young), but it also affects every other contract after that at the Club, and therefore our whole cost base. Pay Schneider 180K a week and what will Wilshere and Ramsey want went they come up for renewal?

      In my opinion there is a real dilemma to be investigated here. On the one hand, we must increase wages if we want to attract and keep superstars, but on the other, those wages will pull apart our cost structure. There must be a happy medium, but it is very very hard to find. In that regard, I have both sympathy and great respect for Wenger, and even our much-maligned Board. You try to solve that problem and see how easy it is.

      In the meantime, when everyone talks about our shambolic summer in the transfer market, try to keep in mind the wages at issue for potential targets, not just the transfer fees. It’s the only way to really be fair to Arsene.



      • Efrain

        August 29, 2011 at 2:59 pm

        Jon, great insight into the wages issue. I learned something new today.


      • brn442

        August 29, 2011 at 5:12 pm

        Manchester United had to get rid of their wage structure 11 years ago to hold on to Roy Keane – again, 11 years ago. Before then – the Fergusons of the world could use the Prestige of a “big” club and European Football to entice players to accept a lower wage packet, again, 11 years ago. The economics of football have changed a lot since. I could have sworn Arsenal got rid of their wage structure ages ago, if they haven’t – there is only one person to blame.

      • cnl. onions

        August 29, 2011 at 9:52 pm

        Great post, but Arsenal are still dropping the ball here unless they do some crazy dealing in the next 2 days. Liverpool has also had a strict wage policy and were able to bring in a handful of strong players for under 100k per week..and that’s without Champions League football to offer. Buying young is good for retaining future value, but there are times when you have to splash the cash (and Arsenal gets a wad of money for playing CL football) to plug in immediate gaps with quality. The Matas and Agueros of the world will demand ridiculous wages because of the ridiculous environment City and Chelsea have set forth, but you need to find the talents like Suarez and Downing that will have similar impacts and not demand gaudy wages.

        I know we don’t really have a grasp of the board and how decisions are made, but it seems like way too many levels of clearance have to be passed to make any sort of decision and Wenger is scapegoated for this.

    • Todd

      August 29, 2011 at 12:34 pm

      I agree. I’ve said it before, but Wenger is just a face for fans to point the finger at. The Board is the real issue. Yes, they’re making a considerable profit year after year, but they don’t want to reinvest anything of worth back into the squad. Restructure the wages, and pay players what they’re actually worth and deserve eh? The last few games clearly show we’re being left behind, in more ways than one. To make money (and/or trophies in the case), you’ve got to spend it fellas.

      • MG

        August 29, 2011 at 1:39 pm

        Wenger may not be the entire culprit, but he’s more than ‘just a face’. The manager of any football club IS at fault in situations like this. Arsenal fans are smart enough to know it’s not just Wenger who is at fault here. Something is going on (or rather, NOT going on) behind the scenes and it must be changed. I can’t believe it had to get to this point..

        • AM

          August 29, 2011 at 2:19 pm

          Great point raised in regards to the wage structure. However, it’s not feasible for us to change it. It doesn’t matter if Arsenal were willing to pay Mata 150k as Chelsea would just offer 200k.

          I believe this is the case at United as well but they made an exception for Rooney who is a top 10 player. Similarly, Arsenal made such an exception for Fabregas too.

          I don’t know much about FFP but I feel like it won’t do much. There is too much money in the game and I’m sure it will have a negligible impact.

          • David G

            August 29, 2011 at 4:27 pm

            I get the whole wage structure thing, but it doesn’t always make sense. Spurs are the same way so let’s take them for example.

            All estimates…last year Tottenham paid

            Crouch 50-60k a week
            Dafoe 40-60k a week
            Pav 30k a week
            Keane 50 K a week
            Dos Santos 5k a week

            Now they didn’t want to pay the wages for someone like Auguero but wouldn’t they have been much better off just selling those five mentioned players (at a discount even) and using their wages to pay Auguero? Seems like instead of paying decent players 50-70 they should stop adding dead weight to their team pay a few super starts and deveolope youth to go along side it. Wouldn’t Spurs be better off having Augero at 150k a week and two youngsters at 10-20?

            Wouldn’t Arsenal be better off paying Nasri and getting rid of Arshavin and Rosinsky

          • AM

            August 29, 2011 at 4:57 pm

            Sure David, that would work in a perfect world where there are no injuries. It’s a fine balance between having a quality starting 11 and a decent bench. Both City and United have very strong starting 11s and benches but they’ve spent a lot to have that luxury.

          • cnl. onions

            August 29, 2011 at 10:03 pm

            Weren’t clubs like Barca, Real Madrid, and AC Milan behind the FFP initiative? Is there anything major to stop them from breaking off from UEFA if they are unhappy with how they are dealing with Chelsea and City(aka not dealing with them)?

            I wish that player salaries were available in the public domain. I feel bad hammering City and Chelsea without knowing what they are paying on a weekly basis to players, but there is so much speculation that it’s at an absurd level that you have to believe it. A team like City obviously has an infusion of money coming in with more exposure and CL football but are they really going to be coming close to breaking even with all of these transfer fees and grotesque annual wages?

      • R2Dad

        August 29, 2011 at 5:42 pm

        I guess the bigger picture is that the wage structure in the league is not linear, despite AW’s attempts to rationalize it as such. Sure you can arrange a pay scale that, in the board or manager’s mind is more logical and minimizes (relative to other clubs) the great disparities in wages that lead to sour grapes in the dressing room. But if you look at contributions on the pitch, certain players are worth 2 or 10 times more because of the performance metrics of each position. Both Arsenal and Tottenham are fighting–and losing–this battle. Better to pay more in wages than more in transfers, even though the accounting is treated differently.

        • David G

          August 30, 2011 at 11:40 am

          I understand the depth thing but all four strikers for Spurs are below par. Wouldn’t it have been better for Spurs to pay Kun 150k per week and just bench with a DJ Cambell or even just give Dos Santo a look in if Kun get’s hurt? Could Santos be much worse than Keane, Crouch, Dafoe, Pav? You could also argue that Spurs could have paid for Kun’s salary by clearing just three of those four. Depth is important but this

          Kun, Pav, Dos Santos

          Isn’t better than

          Crouch, Dafoe, Pav, Keane

          Plus it’s an easier sell to the supporters if you fail to get back into top four if a player of Kun’s ability misses alot of time. I agree with keeping a wage structure and trying to have depth but in Spur’s case they have “depth” that is unused.

          Spurs and to some degree Arsenal’s relectance to take a loss on a transfer and thus clear the wages that player is paid is clogging up their books. If a player isn’t going to play (Beantley, Dos Santos, etc) or isn’t good enough when he does (Pav, Dos Santos, Palacios, etc) then it’s a sunk cost. Move on. Clear those wages and stop complaining that they can’t compete with wages. No of course Arsenal and Tottenham can’t compete with the Man City, Chelase, PSG, Malaga’s of the world, but until you stop paying players decent wages to never play then I don’t except that excuse as valid.

  19. RVPFan

    August 29, 2011 at 12:02 pm

    As I have said on multiple previous occasions and I will say it again, the players aren’t good enough to play the game Wenger wants them to play. You have got to have players of the highest technical ability to play Barcelona style game. Just calling someone Xavi or Iniesta or Messi doesn’t make them one. Playing a high line against Man United at Old Trafford with 8 first team players out? I am sorry, but I don’t think stubborn Wenger gets it anymore. He just doesn’t seem to grasp the reality that his players are technically poor and cannot play the same type of game he wants them to play. The sooner he realizes this, the better.

  20. MUFC77

    August 29, 2011 at 11:57 am

    So you sack the manager who are you going to replace him with?

    Arsenal have Swansea at home and Blackburn away in their next two games which they should get maximum points even if they are playing like $hit right now. They dont have enough time to bring in a new manager and sign players before the transfer deadline so they might as well stick with Wenger until X-mas and reassess the situation then.

    If they get Cahill from Bolton and get Vermaelen healthy the defense will be in better shape. Midfield is decent and when RVP is healthy and on form hes as good as any striker in the league.

    At the end of the day its only three games into the new season so it would be ludicrous to sack the manager now in my opinion.

    • Gillyo

      August 29, 2011 at 5:31 pm

      The board says every time that Wenger has ample funds to buy whomever he wants and every year is the same, Arsenal sells whatever decent players they have and buy some unknown cheap player, so how is it up to the board to allow big signings?

    • Gillyo

      August 29, 2011 at 5:32 pm

      That is funny, to get Vermaelen and RVP healthy.
      When was the last time RVP could play more than 3 games in a row without being injured for months?

  21. IanCransonsKnees

    August 29, 2011 at 11:47 am

    When it all gets to much for those Arsenal fans out there here’s what you’ll need.

    • MG

      August 29, 2011 at 1:37 pm

      Every Gooner is doesn’t love the team enough to stick with them and f*ck off and buy that shirt if they want to. It’s moments like this that separate the real fans from those who could just as easily switch allegiances. And good riddance to them if they didn’t really love the club to begin with.

      That Man City link is spot on, though, it really is haha.

    • gooner

      August 29, 2011 at 2:59 pm

      real fans dont just switch allegiance when the teams going through a rough spot. and just bc city bought half of starters doesn’t mean we’ll buy their shirt.

  22. Dlink04

    August 29, 2011 at 11:39 am

    Sacking Wenger is not the answer, time for board to allow big signings.. Situation is so depressing right now we need big signings to get confidence back.. Where the he’ll is Silent Stan?

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