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USA v Slovenia, World Cup 2010: Open Thread

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This is the game that matters the most for the United States. The team needs to send a message to the rest of the world that the 1-1 draw against England wasn’t a fluke. Here’s a game that has the opportunity to show what the United States men’s national team is made of. But can they do it on the big stage and grab a much-needed three points?

Take nothing away from Slovenia. They’re a tough, well-organized side.

Before, during and after the game, feel free to post your comments in the section below.

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  1. Aussie0Momma

    October 15, 2010 at 3:09 pm

    Just wanted to take a moment and say hello to everyone. Looking forward to the forum and what all the members has to talk about.

  2. [187]

    June 18, 2010 at 4:06 pm

    I ask this because I don’t know: is there a way to review a call? I know there’s an appeals process for fouls. Is there one for all calls? Could that call be appealed, and the goal allowed?

    As they said on ESPN3: several US players were fouled (including whoever gave Bradley a “friendly hug”, apparently congratulating him for his goal) in the box, Edu was NOT offside, and the goal should have been allowed. I’m all for the ref’s word being the final decision, but if that call prevents us from moving forth in the tournament then it should be reviewed and appealed, if necessary.

  3. doug

    June 18, 2010 at 3:30 pm

    Where did I vilify “everyone who hail from a poor under privilege nation” — I’m vilifying Coulibaly and Findley, although I argued the bad calls went both ways (namely, we shouldn’t have had a free kick to begin with). I guess you’re arguing the ref did a fine job? While I admire Fifa for making sure the refs don’t all come from Europe, they should make sure they’ve got qualified, experienced refs (backed with instant replay). Hiring unqualified refs from anywhere is misguided policy.

  4. RVP

    June 18, 2010 at 2:49 pm

    Doug, while I feel gutted about the way the referee disallowed the goal, your attempts at vilifying everyone who hail from a poor under privilege nation is uncalled for and in bad taste.

  5. doug

    June 18, 2010 at 2:16 pm

    just looked it up: nominal GDP per capita in Mali is $656… That’s where the official came from.

  6. doug

    June 18, 2010 at 2:14 pm

    Other thoughts: The ref was from Mali! I think Fifa has come under criticism before for having these awful officials from very poor developing countries… And the ref was awful, although I think on the Edu goal, Altidore didn’t deserve to win the free kick in the first place… It was a total make-up call. I also thought Altidore had a clear scoring opportunity when fouled earlier, and the Slov shoulda been given a red.

    I actually think Findley’s yellow card was deserved, for letting a corner kick hit him smack in the face. Hopefully Fifa won’t rethink his suspension…

    Also, was it me, or was Dempsey getting raped and murdered in the box on free kicks?

    Fifa seriously needs to think about doing replays. Goal scoring opportunities could get an automatic replay, and it should be something that officials watching on film should do immediately/instantaneously…

  7. doug

    June 18, 2010 at 2:03 pm

    Ties are decided by:

    a) greatest number of points obtained in all group matches;
    b) goal difference in all group matches;
    c) greatest number of goals scored in all group matches.
    If two or more teams are equal on the basis of the above three criteria, their rankings will be determined as follows:
    d) greatest number of points obtained in the group matches between the teams concerned;
    e) goal difference resulting from the group matches between the teams concerned;
    f) greater number of goals scored in all group matches between the teams concerned;
    g) drawing of lots by the FIFA Organising Committee.

    I’m not exactly sure what e) and f) contribute here tho’… If two teams tie on d), then e) is a wash, and I’m not quite sure what f) means or why it could matter. Which means for all practical purposes the ordering is: 1) points, 2) goal differential, 3) goals scored, 4) drawing of lots…

    I’m thinking discipline should come before the drawing of lots, however…

  8. short passes

    June 18, 2010 at 2:00 pm

    Great second half after BB was forced to take the harness off of the team. Reminds me of a joke — who was the only person able to consistently stop Michael Jordan from scoring –answer–Dean Smith!! Who stops the US from scoring–Answer: BB and his strait-jacket offense.
    Technical question for all you experts: Assuming that Torres was supposed to have been brought in to provide offensive creativity, why was he always playing so far back, right in front of the defense — certainly didn’t look like where Xavi works his magic unless BB’s creativity consists of a barrage of balls out of the back.

  9. andrew

    June 18, 2010 at 1:44 pm

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but doesn’t discipline come into play before drawing of lots? And we are tied with england on cards?

  10. doug

    June 18, 2010 at 1:20 pm

    First off, gotta feel for Findley — hard to imagine how he could have done worse, although there was no handball. He didn’t know what to do with the ball when he got it on the ’18 wide open. Almost disgraceful. Again, why didn’t Bradley give Buddle a chance? Buddle just played 15 minutes against England, not enough time for him to play badly enough to be relegated to the bench…

    Secondly, Torres had a great crack at the goal in the 2nd half. He did have a couple errant touches in the first half, but he was hardly the only one. I continue to hope to see more of Torres.

    Gomez also did fine — he was called for a ghost foul late, but was aggressive to win the ball.

    Our back line continues to look shaky as all hell… I think from the outset, everyone was trying to score — we had the mindset “we’ve got to get a goal and win” and not “defense first, we really need to not concede”. The announcers before the game were wondering if Slovenia would just play for a draw, but given the numbers, it should have been the US to play with 10 men behind the ball to settle for the nil-nil draw and be happy w/ a few counterattack chances…

    Bottom line is that while we would likely have been eliminated with a loss, if we beat Algeria, it’s hard to see how we’d be eliminated. Assuming England beats Algeria, if Slovenia beats England, then we’d go thru. If England then beats Slovenia, we’d go through. If they draw, then there’d be three teams with five points. Assuming England beats Algeria by two goals, and the US wins by one, it’d come down to goals scored. So if England-Algeria tie 0-0, the US would go thru, while if they draw 1-1, then I guess there’d be a drawing of lots. If England only beats Algeria by 1 and draws with Slovenia, then we’d be thru again…

    Also, I don’t hope for England to lose or draw with Algeria — we’d rather face a team that’s already been eliminated rather than a team which still has a chance… We just hope they lose 1-0.

    Hats off to Michael Bradley — he might have saved his father’s coaching career. He earned his stripes…

    Again, though, I think Bob Bradley might come in for some criticism. The team started the game with the wrong mindset. Choosing Findley ahead of Buddle or Gomez looks like a clear mistake at this point. Also, despite Edu’s goal, I thought he looked too shaky on his touches to warrant playing time vs. Algeria.

    Lastly, how amazing was Landon Donovan? The goal was brilliant, but he nearly had three assists in this game as well…

    • Seminole Gunner

      June 18, 2010 at 1:49 pm

      Totally agree about Landon Donovan. That was a career defining performance from him.

  11. Dan

    June 18, 2010 at 12:56 pm

    Im confused on how i feel Im angry that we gave uo 2 early goals, im proud that we cameback, and I am disheartened that the horrid ref cost us the win that would have been very important. This game may cost us and should call for instant replay.

  12. ianm

    June 18, 2010 at 12:37 pm

    You were robbed – should have been 3-2

  13. Poker Rakeback

    June 18, 2010 at 12:17 pm

    Slovenia a lot better in first half, U.S a lot better in second.
    A draw was a fair result I thought.

  14. Bruce Gottesman

    June 18, 2010 at 12:13 pm

    Truthfully on the first replay I thought I saw a US player – I saw a “3” so it must have been Bocanegra – holding back a Slovenian who would have been in position to deal with the cross before it reached Edu. Still, great point, and now a win against Algeria will likely get the US through no matter what happens later today.

    • vinny

      June 18, 2010 at 12:20 pm

      how does that work out?

      best case scenario, a through will depend on goals?

    • backwards

      June 18, 2010 at 12:28 pm

      i also saw a slovenian player with dempsey in a headlock…. and that player was definitely not in position to defend that ball nor would have been if there wasnt contact with bocanegra, which was neutral contact anyhow

  15. Miami Ultra

    June 18, 2010 at 12:00 pm

    Damn ref!! We should’ve won!! Edu’s goal was legit. Can we get some officials behind the line or instant replay already? They all wear earpieces anyway, have somebody in the booth tell them he made a mistake!!

    Either way great comeback by the US.

    • Devils Advocate

      June 18, 2010 at 2:19 pm

      A great fightback by the USA after going 2 behind. Excellent substitutions by Bob Bradley at half time and well deserved point. Landon Donovan’s goal was terrific.

      Having seen the re-run, MOTD’s view was that Edu’s “winner” was perfectly valid so the US can count themselves very unlucky not to have pulled off a great win. Good performances from both sides and it seems the World Cup is now looking the product it ought to be.

  16. UpTheBlues

    June 18, 2010 at 11:00 am

    Is Birsa that good, or is the US defense that bad?

  17. Poker Rakeback

    June 18, 2010 at 10:13 am

    3-0 slovenia, they are all over the U.S. This U.S team doesn’t know what to do with the ball. They are to used to holding on for dear life and trying to hit on the counter.

  18. Robert

    June 18, 2010 at 9:34 am

    According to Grant Wahl it is Howard; Cherundolo, DeMerit, Onyewu, Bocanegra; Dempsey, Bradley, Torres, Donovan; Altidore, Findley.

  19. John H.

    June 18, 2010 at 9:00 am

    Has the U.S. roster been posted yet?

  20. Matt

    June 18, 2010 at 8:56 am

    I feel like 1-1 draw is likely what about you guys?

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