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Mexican Qualification for South Africa Borders on Illegitimate

Blanco's Unsporting Ways Led Mexico to Qualification

Blanco's Unsporting Ways Led Mexico to Qualification


This blog post is long overdue. My distinct hope was that Mexico WOULD NOT qualify for South Africa, and this article which is sure to arouse controversy would not need to be written. With Mexico’s qualification secure, the time has come to discuss how exactly El Tri returned to the World Cup.  I write this with a clean conscience, largely because the national team that has been the biggest victim of Mexican diving, and CONCACAF officials indulgence of cheating is Honduras, who somehow still managed to qualify for the World Cup. So any bitterness on my part (because as our readers  and my twitter followers do know, I’ve  wanted Honduras to qualify very badly this entire cycle) is not the reason this article has been posted. It is because I believe if the issue of Mexican favortism in CONCACAF and cheating is not discussed, I am not doing my job to call it as I see it.


The final record will state that Mexico qualified for the 2010 World Cup and Costa Rica did not. (This is baring an unexpected Ticos win in the CONCACAF-COMNEBOL playoff.) But few will recall that Mexico’s passage to the Hexagonal and success in the Hex owed itself largely to unsporting play, and the failure of CONCACAF’s officials to fairly referee games in the qualifying cycle.

Mexico should have been eliminated in the semifinal round of qualifying. At Estadio Azteca in August 2008, against Honduras, CONCACAF’s best and brightest officials took a 1-0 Honduras lead and made it into a 2-1 Mexican victory based on two blatant dives and frivolous sending off for Honduras.

Cuauhtémoc Blanco, one of the least sporting players on the planet (and one that sadly plays on our own domestic league) appeared to have talked the officials into one of the calls after his team mate, Gio Dos Santos fell to the ground, and the other call was made, when Blanco himself hit the deck all too easily.

Mexico, later benefited from a clear dive by Andres Guardado versus Jamaica at home, and then survived to draw with Canada after two Canadian shots hit the post, and a clear Free kick shout for Paul Stalteri, was not given.

When it was all said and done, Mexico ended tied for second with Jamaica but won passage to the Hex on goal difference. CONCACAF can be questioned for this, because from an economic standpoint, Jack Warner and his allies probably preferred a Mexican team that is solid attendance draw in both qualifying and Gold Cup to a Jamaican side which represents a small, anglicized Caribbean Island. (Although it should be noted that Warner’s original election as head of CONCACAF was backed by Jamaica and not Mexico, but then again Sepp Blatter was originally backed as FIFA President by England.)

Mexico constantly getting calls was a combination of the cheating nature of Blanco and company, simple economic considerations, and the intimidation officials feel at Azteca. It also could have been due to the number of Latin officials that were assigned to Mexico’s games against non-Spanish speaking countries.  CONCACAF without Mexico, is in terms of power like Oceania was before Australia left. The prospect of Mexico being eliminated at an early stage of qualifying must have shook Jack Warner tremendously.

Jamaica, by comparison seemed to not benefit from the officials whistle. But why should they? Jamaican players are much less apt to dive than Mexican ones, often trying to finish their runs on the ball when taken down.

Mexico then struggled at the beginning of the end of the semifinal round and beginning of the Hex, while Blanco was “retired” from National Team duty. Five loses in six qualifiers saw Sven Goran Eriksson fired, and replaced by Javier Aguirre.

In Sven Goran Eriksson’s last two matches and under Aguirre, Mexico has earned nine PK calls in just fifteen competitive matches, a stunning ratio by any standard. Have most of these PK’s been justified? Perhaps (though unlikely), but it is still hard to believe a national team could earn a PK in every other competitive match it played. This strecth of matches included three which Javier Aguirre was suspended from, thanks to his inexplicable decision to punch former Revoltuion midfield Ricardo Phillips versus Panama.

When the English codified the rules for Football, little did they imagine that unsporting cheats like Blanco would eventually reign supreme in the sport. Nor did they imagine that the entire culture around Mexican Football would take on an encouragement, and even congratulation for cheating.  It seems that in some cultures, dynamic play is encouraged, while in Mexican Football, putting one past the official is rewarded.

Does any reader of this website forget the celebration Giovanni Dos Santos engaged in after diving to draw a penalty kick versus the United States in the Gold Cup Final? Nor should anyone forget the cries of pain two Mexican players who tripped over one another attempted to demonstrate when they tripped over one another in Honduran 18’ drawing a frivolous PK, earlier in qualifying.

In the Gold Cup, Mexico’s Albert Medina tripped over his own feet and drew a PK versus Nicaragua. All of these actions and those chronicled above were rewarded by CONCACAF officials. Mexico’s newest generation of players seemed to have learned from Blanco, that it is wiser to cheat than to actually fight and succeed.

I understand that MLS is a business much like CONCACAF itself (even if it claims not to be), but watching a person like Blanco, who so clearly skirts the rules of the game and calls football into disrepute by his actions on the pitch is not helping to grow the game in the US. Blanco makes me and should make all those who believe in the integrity of the sport want to cheer against the Chicago Fire. The shirtgate scandal where Blanco handed Jair Marufo his jersey after Marufo had given the Fire, Mexican like officials treatment versus Columbus earlier this year should have come as no surprise to those watch football throughout this region.

The behavior of Blanco and other Mexican players has a dramatic affect on potential fans in the US: we are a culture that encourages hard work and rewards effort. Our players, for the most part do not dive and do not attempt to coax the match officials into making calls. We are an honest people, and with our triumph in the Hex, and honest culture has one over a dishonest one (Mexican Football).

Much like the English, who for years played about the most honest brand of football imaginable, staying true to the roots of the game, a foreign invasion of players, begins to undermine the integrity of what MLS (or USL) can or should be. It’s not just the integrity of the game that gets hurt, but the willingness of average American sports fans to understand and appreciate it. Obviously, foreign players must be brought stateside to grow the game and culture of the game.  But dishonest players like Blanco, undermine the cause. The Marufo incident just serves to further that perception.

The Mexican style of Football, best exemplified by Blanco, will never sell among middle class or working class American families. What’s worse is MLS, led by its marketing arm SUM has a vested interest in promoting El Tri and selling Mexico’s side to the American public. It has been said that MLS thrives largely due to the Mexican National Team: while this may be a slight exaggeration, it is not totally off base.

This post is not meant to take away from Mexico’s stellar play of late. Wednesday’s draw with T&T was down to Javier Aguirre’s decision to play a largely reserve side. But Mexico should not have even been in the match to begin with, and even had Mexico advanced to the Hex legitimately, they should not have had 18 points entering the final round of fixtures.

Interestingly, the FMF tried to get this match moved to Los Angeles, per my sources by buying out the T&T Federation, but were rejected by the USSF. Thankfully, the potential cash cow qualifier did not take place.

American football fans should reject the enemy within that encourages the FMF and SUM to continue to develop the sport in a way that contradicts our national fabric. Supporting players like Blanco, and his cheating ways only serves to undermine the vast potential the sport enjoys at home.

Mexico enters the World Cup in 2010 with a strong side. Gio Dos Santos, and Carlos Vela have come of age, while Aguirre has found a good cast of supporting players. It should also be noted, that I enjoy the Mexican League and admire the talents of many a player in the Mexican player pool: I pride myself on knowing about and covering this national team as well, as I possibly can as they are the chief rival of the US.But, unlike some national teams in UEFA and COMNEBOL that went through rough patches and couldn’t recover, Mexico was given assistance to recover from the doldrums in CONCACAF. From my vantage point, that plain stinks.

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  1. Kartik=dot head

    November 10, 2009 at 3:17 am

    Guys, don’t worry about Kartik’s comments. He’s just mad because he’s Indian. His country is overpopulated and filthy. He and all his people look like they were char-broiled. Ugly, digusting people, who work at call centers or Quik-E-Marts for less than minimum wage. All anybody knows about India is that Mother Theresa had to go down there to take care of all those starving idiots because they can’t take care of themselves.

    An Indian slagging on Mexico is like a midget trying to make fun of tall people.

    • Kartik Krishnaiyer

      November 10, 2009 at 8:22 am

      I agree Kartik = Dot Head. But if you are so concerned about racism get your fans to stop heckling Sinha and Franco when they play for the national team. Perhaps if some of your fans were less racist, Ricardo LaVolpe would have succeed as manager and you wouldn’t still be whining about MAXI RODRIGUEZ!

      I cannot find fault with your comments about India, but you seem to not recognize a main trait of America. We haven’t employed the multi cultural regime Tony Blair put in place in the UK. When we become Americans we check our identities at the door, and all become American. We are loyal to our nation, our military and our people. Americanism isn’t as much a race as it is a state of mind and a spirit that has conquered the world over. We are the greatest nation on the planet while Mexico and India are not even close.

      I for one was born in the states and never lived in India, which is as you describe. I cannot testify about Bombay as I have never been there. If you live in the US, you should identify yourself as an American and not a Mexican.

      So the big question: Are you an American or a Mexican? If you live in the US, are you showing a disloyalty to our country? That is on you and not on me, my friend. If you in fact do not consider yourself an American, if you live in the US, then we have a real problem.

  2. Eddy

    November 9, 2009 at 8:20 pm

    Dont hate the player (Mexico) hate the game (FIFA)

  3. KARTIK is a racist f.ker

    November 9, 2009 at 8:19 pm

    F*ck you and your racist f.kin comments on the mexican national team, USA play like shyt and will continue to do so as long as american continue to focus only on lame sports known as BASEBALL which you american consider your sport yet lose againts other countries such as Cuba and the Dominican Republic. Get serious and stop smoking so d.amn much.

  4. USMNT #1 Fan

    November 9, 2009 at 8:14 pm

    To be honest i think u are making extreme points and only focusing on Mexico for the very fact that you refure to talk about our own campaign which to me was very lame and not at all too great. We need to improve dramatically and we can not call ourselves the new Kings of Concacaf when we have not beaten brazil as many times as Mexico has or infact won any Confederations cup, or played a good Copa America. The fact is we are still growing but should retain from making comments about other footballing countries who take the sport os futbol seriously. Go yanks!

  5. juan

    November 9, 2009 at 8:08 pm

    Why would u post something so utterly stupid like this u racist m.uther f.ker when your beloved USMNT did not play at all good futbol againts neither of the 5 teams of Concacaf :El Salvador, Costa Rica, Mexico, Honduras, nor T&T… To be honest if u watched the games the USMNT played i must give u credit for supporting 90 minutes of anti-football and lame player quality and dont come at me with the whole “We are the New Kings of Concacaf” becuase USMNT only qualified to the world cup for the same reason you Americans and others say Mexico qualified. ITS Becuase both the USA and Mexico are in CONCACAF and only for that reason.

  6. jose

    November 9, 2009 at 7:57 pm

    Are u on c.rack????????????????????????????????????

  7. jose

    November 9, 2009 at 7:53 pm

    Are u on cra.k??? U must be because that is what u need to be on when u see the USMNT team make an effort to “play” soccer. I must say if u like watching EYE BLEADING sports such as “baseball” like most americans prefer over the World sport which everyone with good taste would choose any day over baseball known as SOCCER, then i say go ahead and watch the USMNT play, u will be guaranteed utter and complete boreness and may infact feel like sui.ciding which u shouldn’t do, instead just close your eyes, grab the remote, and watch the discovery channel… Will give you more action than anything the USMNT can possibly offer, ANY DAY

  8. Moroco Topo

    November 8, 2009 at 1:53 pm

    You’re a sore loser and a poor excuse for a journalist. This article is pure opinion with little fact.

    You know when the USA will be a better soccer team and nation than Mexico? When you start to measure the USA’s success on its own terms and not compare with the Mexican game.

    Since you are in a position to start doing this, why dont you start?

  9. Redhood

    October 27, 2009 at 2:20 pm

    Bull shit journalism, your simply stating the ovious, Mexico is the favorite son of concacaf. If Mexico didn’t qualify to the World Cup Concacaf’s revenues would be shit. Central America is unfortunately one of the poorest regions in the world, and is constantly in the brink of civil war. The US can NOT carry concacaf in its back if because it has no followers. If a Mexico US game was played in Alaska believe me that stadium would be a sea of green white and red because unlike “SAMS ARMY” we love our national team and would follow it to the gates of hell. Further more if you subtract all the central americans that cheer for the US only because they hate Mexico and they know their own national team isn’t capable of taking on Concacaf prodigious son all you are left with is an insignificant number of true US fans. P.S. Mexico did not deserve to go to the world cup, but we are there and knowing that US fans are outraged by it, is all the glory we need. Thank you, for sharing your space

  10. david e

    October 25, 2009 at 2:28 am

    Kartik you are very biased against mexico. Well, at least in this article. You claim that the reason mexico qualified was because of the “cheating” and help from the referees. That is not true. How about giving mexico some credit for what they did. Yes i agree that Mexican players dives and that a big part of Mexico( players, federation, and media) beleive they are better than all the “small teams” in concacaf. However, what about the hard work that has taken place since Aguirre took over? You seemed to have missed all of that? Its really unfair and in my opinion not justified to say mexico should not have qualified. You also said that they resorted to diving in order to win games? They were on the brink of elimination but stepped it up the remaining games. Give them credit.

  11. Mexico is WAY better

    October 23, 2009 at 9:18 pm

    I forgot to add:

    This are the kind of articles you get when you outsource football blogs. So, because of the constant outsourcing of jobs to Indians who will work for peanuts because they are poor and desperate… we get shitty customer service and shitty football blogs now. Ugh. Stop the madness.

    • Lars

      October 23, 2009 at 9:34 pm

      You’re retarded, he lives in America. You can’t outsource a job to your own country. But this is what I expect from a country run by drug lords that’s unable to police itself without massive funding from its NAFTA partners.

    • Kartik Krishnaiyer

      October 24, 2009 at 11:35 am

      I agree 100% sir, about the outsourcing. In my political activism I have strongly fought against the outsourcing of American labor jobs to India or Mexico (or China or Indonesia for that matter.) I believe the only places the US should have free trade agreements with are places that have similar labor laws and a similar stadard of living. So basically, the EU, Canada, Japan and Korea is where I’d stop with free trade and outsourcing.

      NAFTA and GATT have helped to destroy American industry and manufacturing.

      • Michelle Aguila

        November 9, 2009 at 4:01 am

        I have posted on here before, but Mexico is WAY Better: Please practice what you preach and refrain from tossing out racist remarks about East Asians. You are speaking out of your ass… Their economy and their derogative type-cast personas in the US have no bearing on the actual opinion of Kartik (or at least it shouldn’t). I support Mexico, but I will stand by the team and the team only. I think all Mexico supporters should do the same.

        As for Lars: It’s only because the United States is a Cocaine addicted country and must get their daily fill from us “Poor Latino Folk” that the informal drug economy still finds itself alive and kicking. If you truly want to talk politics and economics, you must come to the knowledge that in order to quell an informal economy (which, if you don’t know means a market that runs outside the government run economy and is not subject to any sort of national tax) you must stop the demand and thus the production of it will also stop. Remember: a drop in consumers=a drop in that market. It is American citizens who are allowing this bloodshed to occur, and until America can give attention and focus on this truly important issue, Mexico will still be governed by Drug Lords and a corrupt government. Do not blame the people of Mexico (or South & Central America for that matter), but blame the consumers.

        Kartik: Unfortunately, we live in a capitalistic society. Outsourcing jobs is synonymous for cheap labor now. People are going to look for the cheapest way to make their products so they can reap maximum profit. It’s the way the world works. This truth kind of cancels out your patriotic claim that America awards hard work. It doesn’t, that’s why we’re capitalists and that’s why you can find MTV, Hollywood, and crooked politicians who all love to smile a little and give a bit, but reap dishonest and quick benefits. You cannot begin to defend America as being honest when this countries current international identity (regardless of Obama) is anything but. As for your football comments: You are stereotyping. Diving exists, but it is exemplified in your eyes in Mexico because of the premises you have going into watching their games. If you truly considered the tone of voice you were writing this article in, you would see that it sounds as if it was written with anything BUT a “clean conscience”. Your problem is seen as lying with Mexico. You stated within your preface that, ” My distinct hope was that Mexico WOULD NOT qualify for South Africa, and this article which is sure to arouse controversy would not need to be written. With Mexico’s qualification secure, the time has come to discuss how exactly El Tri returned to the World Cup.” I’m sure you pride yourself in being a journalist as much as you pride yourself on following the national teams (I’m not much of a writer, so I must resort my comments to humble replies on articles), but your starting comments already let’s us know your “vantage point”. You make a cheap correlation between diving/ref favoritism and Mexico’s qualification in order to defend Honduras. If you do this, you must also consider the correlation between Aguirre’s entry and Mexico’s qualification. There was a noticeable difference in the quality of playing from the players. Their stamina improved and while it reaped PK’s (which are not unknown in soccer 😀 ), it still led to great lessons in team perseverance as a whole.

        Just giving another two cents.


  12. Mexico is WAY better

    October 23, 2009 at 9:07 pm

    What the fuck kind of article is this??? For the love of God. It’s a good thing you don’t get paid a dime for writing this absolute nonsense.

    Whoever wrote this article is an absolute waste of space.

  13. jahir h

    October 23, 2009 at 3:07 pm

    I am offended by what is said on this piece of journalism. You talk about diving, and everyone knows that this is a big problem ALL AROUND THE WORLD. I am not justifying it, but i’m just saying that you are blaming everything on Mexico as if they are the reason anything bad happens in soccer. Yes you beat Spain, i must admit that was a great feat; but you could not beat the CONCACAF teams. If you wanna brag, we have beated Brazil and Argentina before. If we are going on previous games i must post the Mexico wins against TOP opponents. I can see that you hate Mexico, and i really dont care that you hate them. I just think it is unfair for you to say that Mexico should not have qualified. The had an amazing come-back, you must admit that much.

    • Kartik Krishnaiyer

      October 24, 2009 at 11:29 am

      . Those who regularly read this blog have accused me of bias TOWARDS MEXICO. Why? Because among other things, I have pointed out that Mexico has gotten further than the US in 5 of the last 6 competitions both have been in and have beaten Brazil six times in the last eleven years.

      But I do not like diving, and while diving is a problem throughout the football world, with Mexico’s national team it has become almost a replacement for hard work and a constant irritation. Sure Argentinian and Brazilian players dive as well, but they don’t show as little respect for the competition as regularly as El Tri does. I think a part of it is that Mexico looks down on the rest of CONCACAF and thinks it is cheeky to put one over on the officials when things go wrong and get chippy when well organized and bunkered Central American sides play disciplined and proper defensive football against them.

  14. que te importa

    October 23, 2009 at 11:51 am

    Wow. Nice bit of “journalism” everyone check out his twitter page and tell me this guy doesn’t hate Mexico with a disgusting pathetic passion. The reason Mexico qualified? Concacrap is sh*t, everyone knows it and it will continue to be sh*t for at least 10-15 years. F*ck all USgay fans and their racist ass sh*t.

  15. Spazzo

    October 23, 2009 at 3:05 am

    You right bother we are the best team in concaca the 5-0 didn’t hurt us as of matter of fact we should move to conmebol so this wouldn’t happen even though the Mexicans have better record against south americans teams. Let’s yell 2-0 and we knock you out of the world cup because it’s all we have and also we beat the best team in the world Spain even though Mexico have better football I mean “sawker” accomplishments than us. God in so bitter I hope the Mexicans would get disqualified

  16. david e

    October 22, 2009 at 2:55 am

    regarding the first time mexico played in honduras did you happen to watch the whole game or only the part where ” mexico was helped by the refs”. I beleive the first goal that honduras scored should not have been allowed. Watch the reply and you can clearly see that carlos costly uses his hand to get by the defender. here is the link go to 32 seconds.

    Yes mexico has its flaws just like any other team. Concacaf also has flaws. Just like UEFA or Conmebol. A guirre kicked that panamanian player. It was dumb, even if it was not a hard kick it was a kick. It brought shame to mexicans because mexico coach did that. However, the underyling reason
    mexico qualified was because of their coach not the refs!

    i can understand that diving is a problem. Not just in mexico or concacaf but in the world. How can you blame everything on latin players and just one nation? that is dumb.

  17. david e

    October 22, 2009 at 2:19 am

    As a Mexican American i am offended how this author is labeing the whole culture as cheaters. That is just un fair. i am not going to talk shit back because there is no point in that. I know that over the last few years Mexico has got their butt whooped in US soil and in wc 02. trust me as a mexico fan that hurts. However, i think that this author is really biased. he has such a passion for hatred against mexico that it clearly shows in the article he wrote. You say that you have sources for the FMF trying to bribe or black mail trinidad and tobago fe de r ation to change the location? WHo are the sources? why should the reader beleive that your sources are valid if you dare not mention them? i dont know this article ticked me off alot. i can understand the hatred that the author has towards C. blanco especially with him being in the mls now. I understand the hatred because for years blanco played with club america and i am a chivas fan. So all your complaints or hatred towards blanco is understandable. Aside from that i dont think the only reason mexico qualifed to South africa mainly because Blanco cheated or Mexican team cheated. Is this author so biased and so angry against mexico that this is actually what he beleives. I think Mexico deserves alot more credit for qualifying than that. its sad the author cant recognize it. How about giving some credit to A guirres job these past three months. He brought in new players( juarez, sabah, castro) and old players that were either on the bench or not taken into account when erikkson was the coach( C blanco, torrado). he used the gold cup to find new blood or players that were hungry and he molded a team in his image. Many Us fans don t realize that when mexico played the us in Columbus only three of the starters for that game played against usa in el azteca. i beleive it was gio osorio and salcido. some of the players that played in el azteca were not even on the roster. now im not trying to take anything away from that usa game because they deservedly won. my point is after aguirre took over and had time to go to work he dropped players, added some veterans, and added some young players or new players. he changed their attitude and ultimately got results. the mexican team that finished the last five games is different than the one that began the hex. this author is so quick to judge to say that mexico cheated to qualify for the world cup.

    just don’t understand why you think that Mexico cheated to qualify for the world cup. I think you are choosing to see certain things about what happened and your fixated on pointing them out. You pointed out how mexico was helped out when they played at el salvador but they ended up losing the game? Then in the next game against trinidad how did they get help? they scored two goals in that match without the so called help of the refs you are whining about. I beleive the next game mexico played was against Usa in Azteca. I admit the Mexico had some favorable calls. But none that changed the outcome of the game.Mexico should have had two players sent off but the same goes for the Usa. Nery should have been sent off but so should have benny for shoving him . Torrado should have been sent off for ” choking him”. But what about the two us defenders i beleive were bocanegra and gooch. Whom both had yellows and whenever dos santos touched the ball the tackled him instead of the ball. they should and could have easily received a second yellow for those fouls. How did the refs help them in Costa Rica? i dont see how mexico got helped on the three goals they scored in saprissa? then comes the game against honduras at el Azteca. watch the replay on the penalty. but watch from all angles. dont be quick to judge until you see them all.You can clearly see in one angle that dos santos is covering the ball with his body and the honduras players runs into him and knees him in the back of his leg/butt. he didnt even go for the ball he ran into him from behind.the honduras player is like twice the size of gio of course he fell down. even the honduras player fell down. here is the link and go to forty seconds.

    this article just hit a soft spot for me. you claim that us soccer is so clean and has more class because the us team/ mls don’t do what you think is the signature for mexican soccer. However, your making us soccer supporters look bad by sounding so ignorant. I think you have so much hatred towards mexican soccer that you just choose to look at negative things and have no open mind towards positive things. it seems like you would not even be open to thinking maybe just maybe mexico really changes many things( different coach, bring back some veterans, bring in young talent, bring in players that had been consistently playing well i FMF for years that deserved a shot) and as a result began playing better and started winning.

    for the record i am a mexico supporter. i don’t like the us team because of the rivalry between mexico. I can at least respect your team enough and us soccer as a whole. I think in a sense the rivalry is a good thing because it forces both nations to get better. Mexico can strive to beat usa in us soil. Us can strive to beat mexico in Mexico. THis rivalry can be a positive thing in my opinion.

    who knows maybe i am very biased because i am a hard core supporter of mexican national team.I know some Us supporters dont agree with mexican americans being born in the country and supporting mexico. I dont know wht to say but i grew up watching mexican soccer with my dad and i developed that passion. i have tried in the past to watch usa and cheer ,because after all i was born in the us and love this country, but i just cant seem to get into it because of my background.
    But hopefully someone reads this and understands the point of view from a Mexican fan.

  18. Ruben

    October 20, 2009 at 2:03 am

    Blaming the refs has always been the whining boy’s reason for defeat. Let’s give up this nonsense, as every team has favoritism based on their popularity, especially in the United States; from teams in the NBA like the Lakers or from the MLB like the Yankees; which will always get their calls, because of their star power. One cannot blame the refs for that very reason; star power influences a referee’s decision especially when officiating crafty players like Blanco or Kobe one can understand the difficulty of their situation and stop whining as this happens everywhere. This is an atrocious article and one that deserves to be barred from a sports journalist standpoint. In the end, if you don’t get the calls this game you probably will the next, so stop whining.

    • Che

      October 24, 2009 at 1:41 am

      Dont compare some shit player like Blanco to Kobe.

  19. Joey Clams

    October 19, 2009 at 10:22 am

    Edgar, you, sir, are an idiot. You do, however, intrigue with your syntax. Could you please explain to me what “hate on” means?

  20. inyourface

    October 18, 2009 at 10:34 pm

    you can’t honestly be a soccer fan and say that only latin players dive i have watched mls and national team games to know that alot of the US players dive too.its a worldwide problem i certanly agree but you can’t put the blame on one country or continent. Don’t hate on gio and vela for being talented, yes they sit on the bench but you cant deny their talent. they will only get better and that should put fear in your defenders mind. fyi you guys should be talking about why rossi didn’t want to play for your country and don’t say he has no talent. for all the bad things that get said about your national team i have to say you have a good team, if only your coach would stop playing the counter you would have won the confederations cup. stop hiding in your half like cowards you have great players give them a chance!!!!!

  21. Edgar

    October 18, 2009 at 6:10 pm

    HAHA. Americans. Why is it that you always hate on other people’s success? whether its politics, sports, or anything else you guys always end up hating. Didn’t the USA make it to the world cup also? So why are you all worried about someone else’s success? Worry about yourself. Envy or resentment is a bad quality no matter who you are. The author of this post, how does it affect you what happens in another country? Why do you waste your time? Why aren’t you on here complaining about how the REF gave you guys 6 minutes of extra time that enabled the US to tie the game against costa rica? Bottomline, The US will not win the world cup.

  22. eljefejesus

    October 18, 2009 at 5:59 pm

    What a crock! your admitted bias does not excuse your slanted reporting, it proves that it’s worth as much as any biased fan’s take is. In fact worse is your resorting to excusing some racist arguments about cultures being for cheating. I have seen American basketball players, including the Chicago Bulls’s Michael Jordan, flop and push and cheat.

    The Americans take dives, don’t fool yourself.

    Cuahtemoc Blanco is a great soccer player, don’t fool yourself there either. In fact, he has score more direct goals through skillful play than the far majority of any of the players you wanted to win, and that’s even if you took penalty kicks from both sides.

    You go from the silliness of saying that politics is behind it to admitting that the Mexican-supported official lost in his bid. Woops!

    You are continually searching for new conspiracies in your blog and half the time seeing the error yourself.

    The other half of the time calls for others to point out your bias. It’s just weak. It’s sad and pathetic.

    At least you admit that Vela and Dos Santos are great players.
    I don’t know if your anger would be directed elsewhere if the most controversial calls had involved them primarily and not just Cuahtemoc Blanco in those games against Honduras.

    Get used to it, the Mexican national team is reclaiming its CONCACAF dominance like it or not, so your teams are going to keep getting spanked!

  23. daniel

    October 18, 2009 at 2:33 pm

    ok here i got a solution that i think that mexico, usa, and canadian fans can agree too. The pink card. any one that takes an dive that is definately a dive will be forced to wear a pink shirt that has Princess on it,

  24. Michelle Aguila

    October 18, 2009 at 11:54 am

    Yes, CONCAF does have it’s flaws. Yes, it is very economically geared (but need we be reminded of our beloved pastime of American Football and Canadian hockey?). But if you are going to focus on the flaws, focus on the flaws found in CONCAF as an organization and soccer as a whole and not on the teams.

    Yes Aguirre did an incredibly stupid thing by kicking that player. But it was because of him that Mexico was miraculously able to turn around their poor excuse for playing soccer and actually make some noise. It wasn’t the refs.

    Mexico usually makes it past the initial group stage in the WC. So does the US. They both try their best to hold their own on an international stage. Both are succeeding.

    Canada, using referee biases and the unfairness of CONCAF as to why you aren’t ever able to qualify for the WC is getting a little old.

    Both US & Mexico have been unfairly treated in the past and both have made it to the WC before.

    You can say what you may about Mexico soccer, but it has made it’s mark in the World Cup setting. If you are going to complain about diving, then make comments about the European Circuit as well.

    This is not the forum to discuss skills or how righteous you are and how much you “tried to really like team Mexico”.

    Regardless of it’s flaws, Mexico is still an incredible team. They have proven themselves by beating teams like Brazil in the past. The US has done this as well.

    Diving in soccer and unfair refs is the thorn in the side of Soccer just as any other sport or industry in the world (capitalism and the human greed for more pay contribute to this) have something that hinders them. But to blame this as the causation of why Canada isn’t doing so well, you are merely preaching to the choir.

    Save for myself and a few other people on this blog, everyone else is going to agree with your self-righteous rant. Good job.

  25. Kartik= Dot head

    October 18, 2009 at 7:39 am

    One more thing, paki boy. Learn how to write the English language correctly. This is the USA, we speak English here, not Hindi. I know they didn’t educate you well over in Bombay (not mumbai). I guess the $5 a week I was sending you after I decided to sponsor you through that Sally Struthers charity, wasn’t enough to teach you the superior language of English.

    Have fun withering in famine in India. Your country will always be nothing, it’s the armpit of the world. Now go make me a Slurpee, and you better have exact change for my dollar.

    MEXICO>>>>>>india. Always.

    • tj

      March 29, 2012 at 2:03 pm

      your comment is racist. and hes american. calling him indian is
      like calling you spanish.

  26. Kartik= Dot head

    October 18, 2009 at 7:17 am

    Listen here, you Indian piece of shit. You have some nerve trying to slag on Mexico, when your people and country are utter shit. Indians are the nastiest, smelliest, most disgusting race on Earth. Nothing but poverty and misery in India. Go back there, you dot head.

    Mexicans will always rule over Indians. We look better, have higher intelligence, and have much better football. Fuck India. Indians are scum of the earth. Subhumans. Go punch in for your Quik-E-Mart shift.

    Thank you, come again.

    • Lars

      October 19, 2009 at 2:30 am

      Can someone IP ban jackasses like this?

  27. Cesar Rodriguez

    October 17, 2009 at 5:34 pm

    Wow. What a waste of article….

  28. Joel

    October 17, 2009 at 12:05 pm

    Gio and Vela are only 20years old. Wait a year and watch them become starters on their teams. Eventually these two are going to terrorize the USA national team.
    i guess i would be very upset if Mexico would have lost to the USA twice its obvious that everyone here criticizing Mexico just have a sore ass because MEXICO raped them. GO MEXICO

    • Tim

      October 17, 2009 at 2:03 pm

      Your must be high to think that gio and vela are going to start on arsenal and tottenham in a years time.

  29. Rod Zeugir

    October 17, 2009 at 12:05 am

    Favortism? Any one notice that all the friendly games between the US and Mexico are played in the US? Or that for the Gold Cup events the refs are MLS refs who favor the US?

    Anyone notice how many games the US wins in the last minutes based on some sort of foul? It is well understood the dollars rule the CUPS.

    The writer of this blog really took too long to bring his issues up. So pro-Mexican refs were responsible for the US have a major collapse in the last few games of qualifying and needing much help from the Refs to qualify?

    The biggest problem the US will be facing is the lack of talent development. Sadly the US has been very pre-occupied with winning every friendly game at the expense of training new players. Mexico has a wealth of new “stars” in the making because they had the courage to play with younger players even if it meant looking bad at times. The US has not created a similar pool of players.

    This new World Cup will be the one “big chance” for the US because after this, there will be very little talent for the next few World Cups. Blame the US soccer leaders for this problem.

    Who will fill their cleats?

    • daniel

      October 17, 2009 at 2:30 am

      i don’t know who is worse Mexico or the French. Neither can take being critizied.

    • Kartik Krishnaiyer

      October 17, 2009 at 7:59 am

      I have previously written extensively about the bias of anbglophone officials in CONCACAF towards the US- this was after the US got awarded PKs in 4 straight gold cup games in 2007. Also in 2008, an obvious handball against H. Pearce in the box was not called by CONCACAF refs against Guatemala.

      Bottom line- US and Mexico, the cash cows for CONCACAF recieve favorable calls- do not assume because I am American, I do not see the outright bias- Canadian and Panamanian fans can attest to the breaks the US gets.

      The key difference is that the US players don’t dive and simulate to get the calls. So they are not trying to knowlingly decieve the officials.


    October 16, 2009 at 10:51 pm

    mother fucker theres alot of comments on this

    • Lars

      October 17, 2009 at 2:33 am

      Lots of traffic for Kartik.

  31. daniel

    October 16, 2009 at 5:47 pm

    Mexico is always fun to make fun of because instead of an intelligent comeback all u get is RACIST.

    If i said Mexico isnt as good as Brazil they will call me a racist.

    If i said that Chivas Guadalupee needs to be more open to other players that aren’t Mexican born. They will call me a Racist.

    That is the country of Mexico for you.

    • sam

      October 16, 2009 at 6:26 pm

      i normally wouldnt agree but with the commenst here you are correct

  32. Rex

    October 16, 2009 at 4:39 pm

    CONCACAF officials suck. Dont blame Mexico, blame CONCACAF. FIFA should have started major efforts to curb diving years ago.

  33. Alejandro RUiz

    October 16, 2009 at 3:52 pm

    If someone says that Mexico is the biggest diver in CONCACAF, it’s obvious they don’t watch CONCACAF. Guatemala and El Salvador worse, way worse. Did you not see the game where US came back to tie it? It was like all quiet on the western front the last 15mins. I’ve never seen Mexico pull that stunt before, not even vs Brazil.

    • sam

      October 16, 2009 at 4:04 pm

      explain, im not sure i follow, are you commending our tie or dissing it

      • Alejandro RUiz

        October 17, 2009 at 2:51 pm

        I mean all the El salvador players being stretchered off and trying to kill off the US resurgence and clock. It was pathetic. I’ve never seen another concacaf team pull a stunt like that.

        Guatemala, well they have carlos ruiz. That’s enough dive for TWO teams.

  34. Joe

    October 16, 2009 at 2:26 pm

    Your commentary is complete crap. I’m not Mexican and somehow I feel offended. The USA, Mexico, and Honduras have qualified to participate in the World Cup. They all deserve to be there. Quit whining like a nine year old and grow up.

    • daniel

      October 16, 2009 at 4:18 pm

      what u prefer the type of whining mexico does. lol

  35. Joey Clams

    October 16, 2009 at 12:17 pm

    Straight red for a dive in the area.

  36. CleartheBall

    October 16, 2009 at 12:08 pm

    Diving is a problem with the beautiful game, everywhere. Mexico is the worst example in our region. IMHO the only way to correct diving is to implement a post game review system resulting in red card 2+ game suspensions for obvious dives resulting in PK’s and red card single game suspensions for dives resulting in free kicks in the final third. Let’s let the beautiful game win out.

    Ironically, I believe the Mexican team would probably improve if their emphasis turned to better football. At times, it seems they are so obsessed with fooling the officials and wasting time that their undisputable skill fails to come out.

    I really like De Los Santos. I love watching Blanco’s delicate passing. I cant stand Marqeuz. I play soccer weekly with H2B temporary laborers from Mexico and consider them great friends. I have whitish skin and I HATE the Mexican national team, only because they are the biggest rivals of my favorite team, the US Nats. I root for the Mexican team in the world cup against everyone but the US, Germany (ancestral heritage) and any other team from CONCACAF. I do not believe myself to be a racist an am able to agree with Kartik on this one. The diving is awful and brings no credit to the team. The Mexican national team is one of the worst in the world in using the dive. Bring credit to your team and our region by playing the game the right way and doing well internationally. I would love to get to the point where Mexico could be my 3rd favorite team in the world. Good article, Kartik, even if it was just a bit over the top.

    • Jeff

      October 16, 2009 at 3:31 pm

      Its all a process. You say “do well internationally”, but the Mexican team has done well internationally. 5 top three finishes in 7 appearences at the Copa America. The u17 winning the World cup in ’05. The u20 being the heavy favorite along with Argentina to win the 07 tournament, only to lose by 1 goal to Argentina. Fairly good numbers in the world cup. Clubs do well internationally in a consistent manner. And it is impossible to credit all of this to diving and cheating.
      Yes there are divers. But it is not cultural.
      Yes there are lose guns like Marquez. But I for one think he shouldn’t sport the captain’s band because of it.
      No Mexico is not a super power and few think it is.
      Yes the US has a decent team.
      No the English shouldn’t be the measuring stick. I don’t to believe that THAT is the style of soccer that should be upheld. Apart from upholding the determination that they have demonstrated, their work ethic and drive, it clearly does not work. Why is it they only won 1 world cup… and at home. Manchester United? See Ronaldo. Or Cantona. Or Schmeichel. Chelsea? Well… enough said. Liverpool? The Spanish armada. You need some flare. Or just be machines like the Germans who just do it.
      Yes diving sucks. Diving is so prevalent because they can get away with it. Use the system the Mexican Federation is putting into place. Divers are getting match bans for their antics.
      No El Tri is not a diving team. There is no way that El Tri can be characterized as being a diving team, especially when you see its performances against European, South American and African teams. They are known as being tenacious. Maybe not the tallest. Or most skillful. But tenacious. They don’t give up. However, when playing in their own area they believed themselves to be so far superior that they adopted a swagger that reality now does not justify. They still have great players, but they need to buckle down and play like they do against Brazil, Argentina, Germany, Portugal, Italy and others when they face CONCACAF opposition. I understand the resentment from US fans. Mexico has to wake up. BUt the fact is the US team SUCKED. For years. Decades. They sucked. So did the rest of the CONCACAF. So now its wake up time.
      But you watch the younger generation. They have a different outlook. Why? Because now the U-15, u17s, u19s and u20s are getting a different look at the world. They play the US. They play Italy. They play holland. They play Costa Rica. They know that soccer is now a lot more equal. The playing field has been leveled. I personally think that Costa Rica’s youth teams are awesome. The US, so-so.
      So it changes. So it progresses. Even though Mexico has a longer history than the US in soccer, they really are starting from the same point. Mexico had the skill and thats how they played and conquered in the CONCACAF. But they didn’t have the infrastructure, the professionalism, the worldy experience, or the backing in the youth divisions, to truly develop into a competitive national side. Now they do. As of the last 20 years this change has occurred with the influx of cash and opportunities. The same goes for the US.
      So what Mexico will eventually do as a whole and what its youth teams already know is that if you want to win you have to demonstrate it with skill, technical know how, experience, and tactics. That is why this new bunch won the u17 world cup. They beat all the opposition fairly… no, they DESTROYED the opposition. Watch those matches, it was a class in the beautiful game. Even the u20’s in Canada. Awesome to watch. Too bad it ended against an equally awesome Argentine squad.
      So to all those US fans still harboring insecurities against Mexico and who now jump at every Tri failure to say “See I told you so!”…. Thanks. Yeah. Thanks. Not everyone in the Tri’s ranks know it. But most will. Days of easy wins are over. Sooner or later the new crop will be in the majority and they will know it. But when it comes to US-Mexico matches I don’t see much changing. Each team has to come in with the confidence to win. Some, like Marquez (who to be quite honest has quite an effeminate disposition) come off too conceded. But stop focusing on those cases. Just like Mexico should stop focusing on Landy Love the biggest asshole of all time. And get on with it. Rub your faces or our faces in defeat when it comes. Just like any rivalry is supposed to produce.
      But no one can just assume that Mexico fails because they are a culture of cheaters. Facts show that this isn’t the case. But until the day comes when in itnernational matches players are punished for diving, they will still dive. Costly will dive. Donovan will dive. Ruiz will dive. Blanco will dive. De Guzman will dive. They will all dive if they see an opportunity to help their cause. As fans we won’t be too happy, but will shrig our shoulders and say “Well, we’re in at leat. Shit happens.” And probably pat our opposing fan on the back and say “Sorry”, even though deep down inside we can’t stop thinking about that next match that we now are going to play in. Just like a defender will tackle a striker from behind if he realizes its just the striker and the goalie and it all comes down to stopping him, and maybe your team can hold off their others attacks for whatever time is left on the clock and will find a way to replace you in the next match. So you do it. Its not pretty, but you do it. But you get a red card. One ban… could be more. So thats what has to be done to divers. It will definitely lower the number of dives. But it won’t eliminate them, not if a player sees that chance to put his national team into the next round thanks to it. Too bad he won’t get to play it. And it also comes down to the ref. The linesman. I have actually seen penalties called when the striker himself didn’t agree. It doesn’t happen often, of course.
      So stop this finger pointing. Or speaking about the good ‘ol days (that weren’t so good). Porbably they were if you liked a soccer more akin to rugby, then yeah: Good ‘ol days.
      Create punishments. Improve the quality of the refs. And get on with it.

      • sam

        October 16, 2009 at 4:02 pm

        I respect that argument greatly sir, you didnt yell rasicm or xenophobic chants like the others, were level headed and although i dont agree with the youth cups mattering I like that post coming from a Mexico hater

  37. Dallen

    October 16, 2009 at 11:44 am

    When Mexican fans say that despite our superior head-to-head record in this decade, they are superior footballers to us, we don’t cry xenophobia. When the world says our team, players and league is second-rate, we don’t cry xenophobia.

    You people who are crying xenophobia are copping out, big time. You may not agree with Kartik’s assertions, but just writing off as xenophobia and moving on isn’t constructive. You have no idea of your team’s strengths and weaknesses if you do that. If you can’t look at your team with a critical eye, you just sound naive and hateful when you scream “RACIST!” at the top of your lungs. That’s all this “xenophobia” blast is. It’s a politically correct way of calling us racists.

    You wonder why people don’t take you seriously? That’s why. Mexico is called second rate by football cultures like Spain, Brazil and Argentina. They’ll give you some props and say you’re a nice little team, but they don’t think you’re on the level with them. You don’t like that so you take that very same attitude, dial up the venom and turn it on the US. You’re the bully who gets marginalized at home so when you get to school, you pick on weaker kids so you don’t feel so helpless anymore. Unfortunately for you, that weak kid on the playground grew up into a formidable rival. You can’t handle that. You’d rather close your eyes, cover your ears and scream at the top of your lungs, “I’M NOT LISTENING! I’M NOT LISTENING!” like a petulant child. When you lose, it’s someone else’s fault. When your coach acts like a giant ass and kicks an opposing player, you do nothing. When your players turn a game into a laughingstock with their diving and cheating, you do nothing. When your captain loses his head and acts like a child lashing out at the opposing team, you do nothing. Instead of calling this disgraceful behavior to task, you excuse it. You justify it by making claims of xenophobia or by running up a banner of some divine right that you be top of this region even if you don’t deserve it on the pitch.

    It’s not the diving. It’s not the dirty play. It’s not the immaturity. It’s not the sense of entitlement. These, on their own, are annoying but not loathesome. There are plenty of teams in CONCACAF that have moments of all of these traits. It’s when it’s consistently all of these problems together that El Tri gets it’s deserved reputation as arrogant, bush league babies.

    I want to be clear that I don’t paint in such broad strokes that I think all El Tri supporters are like this. I don’t even go so far as to say the majority are. I’m just saying that those of you who would rather blame it on bigotry or whatever garbage, unsubstantiated accusations you can come up with fall squarely into this category.

    • Joey Clams

      October 16, 2009 at 11:49 am

      Eso, hermano. Bien dicho. Especially for a racist gabacho.

    • Ruben

      October 20, 2009 at 2:18 am

      Beat us in mexico ONCE and I will declare your supremacy THIS decade. Especially after you guys lost 5-0 on your home soil. Dont give me ur BS about the “senior” team being there and own up to our dominance as it seems the best you have done in the past 10 years is get a tie out of us. HAHA don’t make me laugh at your useless comments.

    • Ruben

      October 20, 2009 at 2:21 am

      Wow someone took an intro to soc. class and he learned the word xenophobia. HAHA what a self-righteous prick.

  38. Joey Clams

    October 16, 2009 at 10:44 am

    Kartik: Don’t apologize. You did the right thing. No one in the States wants to call Mexico on its tradtion of terrible sportsmanship. You have. You have also, perhaps unwittingly, called attention to Mexico’s tradition of hostility towards dissent and criticism. Factual, educated assertions on this thread that don’t cheerlead for Mexico have been give the thumbs down. That’s the dirty little secret and it goes beyond Mexico: Either you express a spirit of awed advocacy or you’re a racist; and while you’re expected to laud the inherent poetry of the Latin game, you can’t praise Anglo-Saxon sporting culture. Praise us, criticize yourself. Nothing else is acceptable.

  39. Raul

    October 16, 2009 at 8:56 am

    Yes. I hated him when he was with America. I loved him when he was with Santos Laguna. I loved when he was with Spain. I love him he plays for Mexico. Im a season ticket holder, and love to watch him play when he comes to Dallas even though I hate how he breaks us down and beats us like our opening game this year.

  40. Tony

    October 16, 2009 at 4:54 am

    Kartik- your points are well taken, even though clearly you went over the top in your condemnation of Mexican Football as a whole. However, many of these people complaining here probably forget or do not realize that many US fans consider you pro Mexican, because you constantly, correctly point out they are stronger outside of CONCACAF than the USA.

    Now to those complaining. Mexican fans calling anyone a racist is laughable. It is in the fans in Mexcans stadiums, especially Azteca, and in the press who tend to judge a player by skin color. It is the El Tri fans who make every Honduran or Ticos player of African descent feel uncomfortable when playing Mexico. It is the Mexican fans who choose Cobi Jones and Gooch as villians because they happened to be black and this scary.

    Sure, Kartik may have shown some excessive, perhaps unwise national pride here. But for you of all people to lecture ANYONE on racism is just flat out funny. We know how to handle race in states- we have a melting pot of people and a melting pot of soccer players. You do not.

    I bet all the naturalized players that Sven brought in and you gave nothing but hell to, find it ironic that now you are the great pillars against racism. How ironic and how hypocritical.

    • Jeff

      October 16, 2009 at 2:16 pm

      Mexico is a multiethnic country. But no, given the general failure of public education in vast swathes of the country people don’t have the sensibility towards other races that can come with this education. However, it is obvious that with its history, the US hasn’t achieved this either. Or its gone completely off the deepend in the opposite direction by making the whole thing so taboo that no one mentions it and its unforgiveable to use descriptors such as black, which in latin cultures its fine to say someone is moreno, or guerito, or catira, or gringo(even though they aren’t) or that your girlfriend is your negrita.
      But… the point is this. When Blanco dives. Or any other player dives, who HAPPENS to be Mexican, it does not require some over the top attack against the whole culture. You have players in Mexico that have an unbelievably strong work ethic and will sweat out every game like it was their last. Look at Salcido. He worked his ASS off to get to where he is. He came from a situation of near dire poverty. Failed 3 times to cross the border. And was discoverd by chance by Chivas scouts. You see him on the field and that guy NEVER stops running. Will stick his head out to clear a ball regardless of the feet, knees, and elbows coming his way. And Kartik has the balls to lump him into this attack against Mexico’s soccer cultre. Label him a cheat. A bain to soccer. I am personally offended. I also know I don’t speak for anyone but myself, but it is innappropriate to reach these conclusions.
      Also, I know that the government is run by incompetent assholes (the US’s too, just that you got a much bigger cushion to help when the economy tanks), the FMF is out for money or else they wouldn’t have signed the contract that practically has them shackled to holding nearly all their friendlies in the states and not say in Spain or France where they could benefit more from the competition. Keep in mind that there are numerous individuals who will choose to fall to the floor instead of fighitng for the ball (and this is true for every aspect of our lives), and that this is not cultural or else Mexicans wouldn’t be crossing a fucking DESERT to reach a better life; that some in the FMF are actually taking steps to help rid the league of blatant penalty dives (the FMF being the ONLY federation in the area actually handing out sanctions to those blatant floppers); that there are many clubs in Mexico that are seen as pillars for the sport internationally, with their support of youth, creation of universities, microlending services, and a number of other initiatives; that yes, CONCACAF provides favoritism to their pampered two, but Mexico and the US don’t expect to be helped when they visit San Pedro Sula or San Jose; of course Mexico is not at the level of the football powers and does need a strong dose of humility at times and the country as a whole has to wake up to the fact that we can’t bully others in the area anymore, thats over, but just as in any case you will have those who just jeer for the hell of it and continue avoiding this reality just to piss people off.
      So is Mexico at fault? No. Should people get pissed off if they all are refered to as belonging to a cheating culture? Yes. Is the FMF doing a heck of a lot more to deal with the diving issue than the MLS? Yep.
      Based on all this it is sufficient enough to state that this article is way off.

  41. forweg

    October 16, 2009 at 4:20 am

    Wow, more xenophobic nationalism from Kartik. What a surprise.

    And “Hispanics” are not a “race”, you sub-human retard.

    • sam

      October 16, 2009 at 3:49 pm

      who said hispanics are not a race, he said mexican isnt, and
      xenophobic- an unreasonable fear or hatred of foreigners or strangers or of that which is foreign or strange. i dont see that at all, he just hates how they play soccer because of the diving, that isnt fear of forigners, just dislike of theis soccer, i guess im xenophobic because i hate the brazil team too, oh wait we can have opinions on what we like and dont like and give reasons for it

      • allan

        October 17, 2009 at 1:21 am

        hispanic is not a race. it is a word to describe people from spanish speaking countries in latin america. latin america is made up of americans(native), blacks, europeans, asians etc… the majority being native to the continent mixed with european. the next biggest group is black mixed with native/european, accounting for about 20%. then you have mixes with whatever. then you got the pure white. latin america is one of the most racially diverse places on earth and i thought i should let you know and not mistake “hispanic” for a race.

    • daniel

      October 16, 2009 at 4:25 pm

      he did not say that the closest thing to that was what i said and that is mexican is not a race, hispanic is a race.

  42. Soccerrules

    October 16, 2009 at 4:00 am

    All those ignorant disrespectful fellows HAVE to be from Texas or anywhere in the DIRTY south…You redneck trailer trash George Bush loving confederate flag waving hillbillies DO NOT represent the rest of us Americans…it saddens me that these people exist.

    • sam

      October 16, 2009 at 3:46 pm

      im sorry you think that, im from new york, and confederate flag hatin

    • daniel

      October 16, 2009 at 4:00 pm

      what the hell im a independent i cant stand the bush or the republicans and Democrats, and i’m no f****** Redneck. this is what i cant stand people that seem to think that it’s ok for other people to break the law. im all for people who come to this country legally. but there is a reason why we have immigration laws. they there because we dont’ need our population to get out of control.
      if you wanna talk racism look at chivas guadlupee

  43. Soccerrules

    October 16, 2009 at 3:58 am

    And this is coming from an American who loves futbol. To everyone else I just want to say that what many have come in here and said…their complete ignorance and disrespect and racism does not represent the rest of us Americans…

    • daniel

      October 16, 2009 at 3:24 pm

      what racism, Mexico is a country not a Race, it like the Brits calling the French cheaters. Thats not racism. If he would have said all hispanics are cheaters then that would be Racism. Hell i have a bunch of friends with mexican heritage that can’t stand Mexico. I hear them say dirty mexicans all the time.

      Plus lets talk about real racism. what about the President of Brazil blaming the fall of the economic system on white people with blonde hair and blue eyes. Now that is racism.

      • allan

        October 17, 2009 at 1:06 am

        the brazilian president is right though.

  44. Soccerrules

    October 16, 2009 at 3:57 am

    I just lost complete respect for you Kartik. I used to come in here and read your articles for the objectivity you showed but in this one only your tremendous hate for Mexico shined through. I must admit I was surprised…I’m never coming in here again.

    • daniel

      October 16, 2009 at 3:19 pm

      who doesn’t hate mexico.

  45. daniel

    October 16, 2009 at 2:01 am

    Kartik, you did nothing wrong. you just expressed an oppion and the haters attacked you for it. Mexican is not a race so you are not a racist.
    i applaud you for standing your ground.

    hispanics are a race not Mexicans. you don’t call someone from brazil mexican.

  46. Elisa

    October 16, 2009 at 1:53 am

    Kartik, I expect better from you. Please we gotta stop with the xenophobia.

  47. daniel

    October 16, 2009 at 1:44 am

    well jeff if you must know im comanchee, cherokee, irish, scottish, brittish, french, german, and italian heritage. but i was born in the USA and i am american.
    i respect the fact they are looking for a better life but what kills me is the fact that they are still supportive of a country that pretty much shitted on them. so thats why i compare them to whitney houston, like them she likes an abusive relationship yet wants people to feel sorry for for her.

  48. Seybold

    October 16, 2009 at 1:13 am

    I think the article was a bit over the top, although I understand the impulse behind it. Mexico’s matches at the Azteca are often completely unwatchable dive-fests, the recent home match to Honduras being a fine example (and Andres Cantor’s commentary that falls for it all hook, line and sinker almost makes me wish I didn’t understand Spanish!).

    I’d love to see a US or Canadian Anglo referee for a Mexican home match, just to see how they’d react. It would indisputably be good for Mexico as well, because while they consistently have enough talent to make the 2nd round of the World Cup,they never make it to the quarterfinals. Why? One reason is they eventually have to deal with a Danish/Swedish/Swiss/etc referee who is completely unimpressed by their theatrics and antics, and as a result they’re at a loss for what to do.

    CONCACAF refereeing certainly helps Mexico, but part of that is simply cultural. It damages Mexico on the broader world stage, however. How many teams with a big diving/simulartion culture make it to the quarterfinals of any world cup? Almost none. That’s why–despite consistently having enough talent–Mexico isn’t able to cross that bridge.

  49. Raul

    October 15, 2009 at 11:49 pm

    It came across as the little brother syndrome – that’s all. I enjoy YOUR contributions. Ironically, you polarized the fans the way Blanco does.

    UN:F [1.6.7_924]

    • eplnfl

      October 16, 2009 at 8:41 am


      Has Blanco every played for your team?

  50. Raul

    October 15, 2009 at 11:44 pm

    It came across as the little brother syndrome – that’s all. I enjoy contributions. Ironically, you polarized the fans the way Blanco does. 🙂

  51. Vnice

    October 15, 2009 at 11:43 pm

    BTW, Sam…who is the “we” that hates “fence jumpers”? I hope you don’t mean all Americans, because I am not anti-Illegal immigrant. Just wanted to clarify, just in case.

    • daniel

      October 16, 2009 at 1:57 am

      i just hate the system that lets it keep going. i swear Mexico needs a new government that can support there people so they don’t have to jump fence just to provide for there families. the Mexican government should be ashamed of themselves for not providing for there middle class and poor class.

      • sam

        October 16, 2009 at 3:42 pm

        its not that i hate the immigrants themselves, just the illegal ways some do it, like planning a trip to the us the week your wife is due to give birth so they can live here tax free but send their child to school

        • allan

          October 17, 2009 at 1:02 am

          income tax is not in the constitution. if you’re paying you are one of millions of americans who dont know about this.

  52. Kartik Krishnaiyer

    October 15, 2009 at 9:42 pm

    Boy, part of me now wishes I had never posted this. I did not foresee so much hatred and petty name calling coming from it. But I do accept responsibility for my words and the content. Thus, here is a short digest of what I was thinking:

    Readers of this site know I actually rate Mexico higher than I rate the US. I loathe El Tri but consider myself an objective observer of the sport. Part of my problem with Mexico is the constant diving, intimidation of the officials and gamesmanship which I believe undermines Mexico’s performance. You sense some entitlement in El Tri every time you watch a Mexican match.

    Contrast that with Jamaica and Honduras. One a Caribbean island that speaks English, the other a Central American nation that speaks Spanish. Both have footballers, professionals that are trying badly to move forward- playing hard, sulking little (except famously for Honduras when the fix appeared to be in at Azteca in both August 08 and September 09) and working their collective tails off.

    Mexico and the FMF, I see as a marketing machine. Big money, big stars and a great deal of Hubris that spreads to the players. All of the friendly matches played on US soil don’t do a darn thing to improve the product El Tri puts out but simply lines the pockets of the FMF, SUM and MLS.

    The Mexican players have come to the point where they feel they are owed something from the region. No question that Mexico has been the shining light football wise in our part of the world, but it is hard to justify, the constant whining, diving and petulant behavior that characterize El Tri.

    Furthermore, I do believe there is major official bias towards Mexico. The US as well often benefits within CONCACAF from favorable, English speaking officials. Both benefit from reputation as well.

    As far as the game in the US, if players like Blanco, et al are the examples of the sport that are to be put forward, the game is doomed to failure stateside. We like our sportsman too be virtuous, not cheats.

    As far as the England reference, the current England team is filled with divers. Heck, England BEAT Argentina in WC 02 because of an Owen dive. But it wasn’t always that way- the current generation of English footballers began imitating the “cosmopolitan” continental footballers about ten years ago and now dive as much as anyone else.

    I don’t want to see the US team, a multi ethnic cornucopia, and cosmopolitan at its core (although it is still a bit too white and suburban for me) go down that same route. We can play football in a distinct American way, while appreciating the virtue of other nations play, and picking up the best from them, while rejecting the worst which Blanco and his friends exemplify.

    • Lars

      October 16, 2009 at 1:06 pm

      Think of it this way, you get more ad dollars with more traffic coming to your website. I think of this as a positive, because quite frankly, you nailed the issue down.

      I wouldn’t necessarily blame Mexico as much as I would blame CONCACAF though. CONCACAF could do something about the flopping (IE: ignore it) but instead encourages it through penalties because it’s good for their pockets.

    • Alejandro RUiz

      October 16, 2009 at 3:39 pm

      That was better, you should have posted something like that in the first place. Instead of the whole “Mexico’s qualification means nothing, because a crappy ref gave them a call”.

      • bawambi

        October 17, 2009 at 12:26 am

        The vitriol in the comments should have been expected, Kartik. This is the first time i’ve been to your site but not the hundredth i’ve seen troll racism whenever the article concerns either the us or mexico. Just some random comments at mainly the soccer portion – mexico dove quite a lot until aguirre came they actually dive less now – donovan dives sometimes – and to anyone who thinks kartik’s commentary was racially motivat
        ed – i watched EVERY us AND mexican qualifying game in both rounds and mexico didn’t deserve to be in the final hexagonal (i was hoping they’d keep sven on just a few more matches) if you think otherwise you didnt watch the early matches or you saw with el tri shades.

  53. Thanks For Playing Jeff

    October 15, 2009 at 9:04 pm

    To Jeff:

    With so much anger and hatred bottled up inside you why not get off MLS Talk and start your own site? Perhaps you could even preach from a pulpit? Its clear you have a lot to say on a variety of subjects, I’m sure you would be a big draw. After all, you have such a bubbly personality. Either way, why not leave football to the supporters and let the sociopaths carve out their own corner of the internet. Thanks for playing.

  54. eplnfl

    October 15, 2009 at 8:15 pm

    I admire your courage in publishing such a piece. The above comments that claim your comments where motivated by ethnic or cultural feelings are shameful. Those that know you even from online contact only, should know you have feelings of goodwill towards all men and your comments are motivated by your desire to see proper soccer played and games decided by talent and fair tactics.

    Now is diving part of the game? I would have to say it is. Did Mexico practice it to an extreme. Yes they did and they got away with it. Was it from the players only that it came from. In my opinion it came from the coach and primarily Sven. Ok, I will give you that Blanco is quite the actor on his own. Javier Aguirre on the other hand has been a coach that has had his team take physical play to an extreme. Mexico in the Gold Cup seemed to get away with physical play and as we know Aguirre had his own problems.

    As to Blanco not being popular in MLS, well if he is on your team you love him. He is extremely popular in Chicago and that is not just among the Mexican-American population. Chicago was a town that loved Dennis Rodman when he wore a Bulls jersey or for that matter a Wedding Dress!
    Blanco is a model citizen compared to him, even though some wonder if he saves his best for his national team.

    So, keep calling them as you see them.

  55. Joey Clams

    October 15, 2009 at 7:21 pm

    How’s this for common sense, commonsense? Honduras can only become consistent over the course of ten years AFTER performing consistently throughout a two-year WCQ phase. We applaud them not for running faster than anyone but for getting on their feet and walking tall. They alos happened to do it with some class.

    By the way, even I have come to feel a more than grudging admiration for Blanco.

  56. Joey Clams

    October 15, 2009 at 7:15 pm

    Jeff, while all over the place, relies on axioms. It would be a waste of time to challenge them. I, by the way, have no problem with Mexican-Americans who pull for Mexico. According to Huntington, Irish-Americans are the prototype of the patriotic American. So, so much of Jeff’s professorial certitude.

  57. commonsense

    October 15, 2009 at 7:07 pm

    This article is laughable. There is no doubt that diving in futbol/soccer as a whole across the globe is disgusting and hurts the game. I just don’t see how this has any bearing on Mexico and the qualification to the world cup. Players can’t stay with Gio and as a result pull his jersey and use other tactics. Why should he try to stay up if illegal tactics are allowed? To help the other teams cause? Think before you write rediculouse articles. As a Mexican fan I used to detest Blanco for his diving in the early part of the decade and specifically in Korea/Japan, but this time around he has been great. He has done his job well by creating assists and controlling the flow of the game in the middle….not by diving.

    I also happen to be a fan of the US and I must say that until these two teams stop thinking that it means anything to beat each other they will not improve on the world stage. Win the World Cup or Copa America. This is all that matters (well Olympic Gold is worth bragging about too). Honduras is very, very improved but consistency over 10+ years and then I will have more to comment on.

  58. pauliepablo

    October 15, 2009 at 7:01 pm

    WHITE POWER WHITE POWER! Cant wait to here you speak at the Klan rally. Kartik Krishnaiyer

    • Lars

      October 15, 2009 at 7:14 pm

      Hahah? The guy is of East Indian descent, you racist cockbite.

    • daniel

      October 16, 2009 at 1:51 am

      wow just because we are die hard usa fans u think we are all white, we have every race in this country so stop being jealous that ur women love dark sausage.

  59. Joey Clams

    October 15, 2009 at 6:56 pm

    By the way, Samuel Huntington was the furthest thing from racist. He was a New Deal Democrat who believed in the primacy of the most enlightened values introduced by Anglo-Saxon settlers and the unifying effect of a fluid cultural consenus. He derided corporations and politicians who encourage immigrants not to assimilate. He warned not so much of America’s “browining” but of the ideas of the denationalized elites. He was no racist. He lived on Martha’s Vineyard among progressives. His widow is of Armenian descent.

  60. Johnny

    October 15, 2009 at 6:48 pm

    hahahaha wow, Mexico woops the United States twice and right away their fans start bitching about any little thing just to justify their losses. Lets go back to the gold cup 07…the United States had penalties in practically all their games including the final…but did Mexican fans start bitching about some sort of “conspiracy”? Nope.

    your acting as though every single mexican player has converted into a cheater and the United States are “clean” players who follow the rules, really? How old is the writer who did this piece of crap? This is such a pathetic article

    people like you are sore losers at its finest.

    • Lars

      October 15, 2009 at 7:14 pm

      Kartik pointed this out, clown.

    • sam

      October 15, 2009 at 10:29 pm

      i dont see whooped twice in a row

    • daniel

      October 16, 2009 at 1:48 am

      well mexicans complain about not having texas any more and that is their own fault.

  61. Bernard

    October 15, 2009 at 6:34 pm



    • daniel

      October 16, 2009 at 1:46 am

      don’t be mad that we can beat you guys at Football, Hockey, Baseball, and Basketball. and the fact that we are catching up to u guys in soccer.

      • JC

        October 16, 2009 at 1:08 pm

        Daniel… you actually have lost at Baseball many times over. Check out the last World championships.
        Basketball… you aren’t head and shoulders above everyone else anymore.
        Hockey? The whole league is made up of foreigners.
        And American Football. Thats like saying the West Indies beats you at cricket. No shit.

  62. Jeff

    October 15, 2009 at 6:06 pm

    @ Daniel
    Let me see if I get this straight. You are obviouly Comanche. Or Flat Head. Sioux? Cherokee? No, Apache? None of the above? Well, then you must be Aztec. Toltec? Zapotec? Olmec? Mayan? Heck.. Carib? Inca? No?
    Then how DARE you speak about people who risk life and limb to seek a better life for themselves and their families! If you don’t fall under any native american tribe or civilazation, then YOUR ancestors are in the US for the same reason that drive countless immigrants to the US. If you are Irish, it was a famine. Did Ireland kick them out? No. Did Italy connive to drive out thousands upon thousands of Italians to the US? Poland? Germany? England? No. Countries have ups and downs. It is the way it is. And did you forget that the restrictions to border crossing began in earnest less than 50 years ago. If that? Before, people could come and go. And in Mexico’s case, you could have family on either side before and never trouble with lineal distinctions.
    There is no ocean separating the two. And now with TV. Airplanes. Whatnot. You can come back and forth and live here but still maintain close ties with a country RIGHT NEXT DOOR.
    Before you open your mouth, look around you or trace your geneology. Why don’t you ever wonder why Cubans in Miami support their national baseball team? Or 2nd or 3rd generation italians who support Italy or an Italian club? Or Swedes in Minnesota who still root for Sweden? Or German midwesterners who still celebrate Oktoberfest? Its called roots. Ties. People don’t sever them just like that.
    Mexicans will support Mexico. Just cause you make your living somewhere doesn’t mean you ARE from there. Sometimes shit goes sour, just ask people who used to call Detroit home.
    Americans for the Americans? Show me one TRUE American with no ties, traditions, heritage, nothing, to their European, African or Asian roots. The only ones out there you have living on reservations. Ever been on one of those? Depressing as all hell.
    Which country is treating their true nationals like dirt?

    • sam

      October 15, 2009 at 10:28 pm

      if you came here legally fine, its the fence jumpin job stealers we hate

      • Lars

        October 15, 2009 at 10:41 pm

        Except if you knew anything about any economic theory at all, you’d know that immigration has no net effect on things in the long run granted equal ratios of kapital and labour…except here’s the kicker. The US actually has a labour shortage, specifically in unskilled labour. And yes, you’re going to argue about the unemployment rate but that is a short run (1 year) issue. Within the next 5 years, the US will be back at so-called full employment and in need of illegal immigrants to keep its economy functioning.

        If the demand wasn’t there, the supply wouldn’t be.


      October 15, 2009 at 10:38 pm

      dooo u just a straight up bitch. Aint no other word to describe u

  63. andy in ohio

    October 15, 2009 at 6:03 pm

    Wow, what a bunch of babies. I think the Mexicant fans who scream racism everytime someone points out the obvious fact that their (admittedly skilled) team is a bunch of diving, injury faking cheats are hilarious. I guess the fans of the Island teams, as well as all of Central America, plus Canada, are all racist too. They hate you too!!!! OH NO!!!! RACISM!!!! BLANCO SAVE US! DIVE BLANCO DIVE!!!!

  64. daniel

    October 15, 2009 at 5:41 pm

    mexico mexico where do i begin, yea mexico dives alot. i can’t stand mexico. lets take alook at the country. yea your country is corrupt so we have mexicans sneaking over to the USA for a so called better life while still waving a Mexican flag. All i know is Mexico is very hard to understand. they leave there country because it is so messed up but yet they love it so much that they still support it even though it treats them like dirt. wow does anyone else see the die hard mexican supporters that live in the USA as kinda like Whitney Houston to Bobby Brown. It is really funny to me. at least i support my country that i live in and would fight for, rather then support country that i run away from.

    • sam

      October 15, 2009 at 10:26 pm


  65. Bolacuadrada

    October 15, 2009 at 4:40 pm

    Idiot with post #46. Eres una basura. Hey Barby que aprovechas un foro para insultar! Eres un cobarde porque no tienes huevos de hacerlo de otra manera. Donde te mando tu vestidito pink. Oh no, mejor te mandare un pedacito de queso Ratoncito Verde.

    • USA sucks

      October 15, 2009 at 5:39 pm

      Pochito Mierda, Te ardio, verdad? Este ratoncito verde se chingo a tu madre, perro malparido. Tu y toda esta bola de atascados me la pelan. Si ahora te crees muy salsita, y me la quieres hacer de pedo, dime donde andas, mierda.. No necesito foros para partirte toda tu pinche apestosa madre, pocho marrano. Tu padre es maricon, tambien te la chupa como el kartik y su esposo.. y luego entre los tres te la meten.. JAJAJA..

  66. Alejandro RUiz

    October 15, 2009 at 4:24 pm

    See the shirt tug before gio even loses balance/falls? That’s legit.

  67. Alejandro RUiz

    October 15, 2009 at 4:23 pm

    Also, you used England as an example? Really?

    *insert youtube montage of Gerrard diving his ass off*
    The tone of the article is so disingenuous that I can’t even take it seriously, it’s a joke.

    In the gold cup, gio went down but that’s because he was trying to spin away from the defender and he was pulled on his shirt. If that was a dive, then Ching also dove in the 2007 Gold Cup final (psst, he didn’t).
    Believe it or not, grabbing a players shirt in the penalty area within clear view of the ref/linesman……is asking for trouble. If you don’t want a PK called against you, don’t foul a player in the box so blatantly.

    I won’t even go into detail, but how easily did US defender, go down when gio’s forearm brushed his face? He pulled a Blanco on that one.

  68. Vnice

    October 15, 2009 at 4:13 pm

    USA sucks…my comments are far different than yours. I was saying that the article comes off as xenophobic, which is actually very different than racism, even though they are related. I also happen to love my country. You, obviously do not have any love whatsoever for the United States. And that’s fine…but I tend to lump people who make their lives here and root for another country as a bit backwards. And outside of the occassional curse word, I think I’m kind of civil.

    So, I called Trent a dipshit…so what? I hate when people say they speak for an entire nation. The hyperbole is ridiculous. But I didn’t put up post after post of hateful, ridiculous, pointless drivel. Your first post, while kinda agressive, had some good points. After that, you sounded like a moron. Just sayin’…

  69. Alejandro RUiz

    October 15, 2009 at 4:10 pm

    double tee eff,

    What weird ax to grind.

  70. Raul

    October 15, 2009 at 3:59 pm

    Kartik, come on. Really? At first I thought that your web page was hijacked and it really wasn’t you that wrote the article. Then, I thought that Alexis Lalas’ evil spirit from the 2003 MLS Award Ceremony possessed you. I mean, even Trekker calls the MNT the best team in the CONCACAF at the end of the CR-US game. Maybe that’s it, you let the euphoria from the 94′ goal choose your words. Seriously, diving and how to officiate it has always been a problem. Dive doesn’t always work. We have all seen games where there are bodies scattered in the box and the defense wins the ball back and takes over b/c of it. Remember US vs. Mexico in the 2002 WC? Anyway, your comments on CONCACAF being a business is interesting. I have similar feelings. It is not too hard to prove that tickets can be a higher price in the US than anywhere else in the conference. And in this era of “Winning Your Home Games is Enough” against the top teams, the advantage clearly goes to the US and the CONCACAF business. In the meantime, Mexico and other teams play more friendlies in the US than in their own land. That’s got to be frustrating to the people and the players. Anyway, I enjoy your articles and hope to read more soon.

  71. Jeff

    October 15, 2009 at 3:53 pm

    @ Buzzard… Another comical nincompoop.

    First off, you are fairly new to the game, I’m sure. Could you please tell me how many Confederations Cups, U-20’s, U-17’s and Olypmics have been won by South American squads? More than by Europeans!!!
    I have watched time and again Latin teams beat “superior” European teams.
    But it could be that you and only you see what no one else sees. What every team around the world who has latin players (usually their most determining players) does not see. What every team shelling out exhorbitant fees for these players does not see. You must also share some of Kartik’s sources since you somehow know that every championship that a Latin team has won was somehow fixed or determined by cheating. How could the footballing world be so blind?
    …………………. They’re not. You are. English football is not the model to follow. If they were they would have won something. So for ALL OF YOU holding up English footy as some holy grail for all to aspire to I say get off your high horse. It isn’t. Which is why the English league got interesting when they brought in foreign players. With skills. And modeled their youth training facilities and methodology after brazil and france. Wake up.

    @ Park… not racist, your absolutely right. Xenophobic. Thats it.

    “We are an honest people, and with our triumph in the Hex, and honest culture has one over a dishonest one.”

    We are an honest people! Kind of reminds you of speaches delivered in Nuremburg, doesn’t it? He is talking about a people’s culture. A nationality. You go ahead and defend him against racist remarks. Fine. I recant. It was not racist. This guy is a xenophobe of the worst order. One with access to a wide audience. Heil, Kartik

    • sam

      October 15, 2009 at 10:22 pm

      fuess what u17 u20 and olympics dont count do they or africa would be the place to go right man

  72. Cris

    October 15, 2009 at 3:40 pm

    I guess Mexico dove its way to two goals against the USA also right? Seriously, nobody remembers the kiss that the Honduran defender was giving cuauhtemoc a couple of years ago, I guess that was all “honest sportsmanship” right?

    • sam

      October 15, 2009 at 10:20 pm

      and i guess US fans throw garbage and bags of urine at your players when they play in Columbus dont they

  73. Lowell

    October 15, 2009 at 2:54 pm

    Obviously the truth hurts a bit more south of the border than it does north of it.

    There is no doubt in my mind that Mexico’s green jerseys are that color because it saves on all the grass stains they get from diving on the pitch.

    It is what it is. Go get your magic can of cold spray and play on!

  74. bino

    October 15, 2009 at 2:39 pm

    I think your comments of the Mexican team cheating and diving is bit of a stretch. Yeah Blanco can go a bit far on his dives but most of the time he doesn’t get calls half the time. Hugo sanchez and sven were not great managers for the team they didn’t know the players and the style of play they were accustomed to. They were in the hole pretty bad and when that coaching change was made to bring in aguirre a person who knows the players and the style of and saved the national team in the past everything came together. If Goran was stil coach the would have never made the world cup. Mexico towrards the end had a favorable schedule to their advantage. I don’t think one person can make a difference in a team sport especially in soccer. In my opinion you want to talk all this garbage about blanco, Landon Donovan is the same if not worse than Blanco, he also bitches and complains about everything when he loses the ball and when he makes his classic phantom dives every team has a flopper or two and that is just part of the game deal with it. I think you are a little threatened that mexico is back to their winning ways and you are just trying to bring a team down that at the moment is a bit more superior than the u.s.

    • CleartheBall

      October 16, 2009 at 11:36 am

      At least be accurate. There are some who tend toward diving on the US Nats, but Donovan is not one of them. He may whine, but he runs through tackles like few players his size. Don’t let your hatred toward LD ruin what was a decent point.

  75. MrBall

    October 15, 2009 at 2:28 pm

    We were discussing diving during the US game last night. Our take on it is that the ref’s should give out pink cards. The player that receives a pink card for diving like a girl has to wear a pink tutu for the remainder of the game.

    What do you think?

  76. soccer goals

    October 15, 2009 at 2:27 pm

    Why can’t we all just get along? This discussion should focus on how we can better the game, instead, of hurling insults.

    No Class!!!!

  77. Bolacuadrada

    October 15, 2009 at 2:08 pm

    I agree Kartik,
    I have one idea also. The all time selfish former player Hugo (or ego) Sanchez once suggested to change the Mexcusean uniform to white (Real Madrid Colors of course). What about pink I say. They play Barby football anyways. I cannot stand people who cheat like Mexico, Uruguay, Argentina, etc. etc.

    • USA sucks

      October 15, 2009 at 2:33 pm

      Squareball, pinche gringito vale verga.. como te atreves a hablar mal del Pentapichichi? Hugo es un DIOS, ojete… Tus pinches carapalidas y orangutans ya quisieran tener en su historia, presente o futuro un idolo como HUGO, perro malparido. CHINGAS A TU PUTA DESGRACIADA CHIMUELA MADRE!! Lavate el pinche ocico cuando hables de los MEXICANOS, Pinche pochito gonorrea.. estados unidos son unos chupa pingas, hijos de puta!!

      • sam

        October 15, 2009 at 10:18 pm

        tu esta muy comida senior , you stupid ass ill talk shit about that loser sanches all day long, you mexican dirtbag piece of scum

    • sam

      October 15, 2009 at 10:15 pm

      100% correct man

  78. Ed

    October 15, 2009 at 1:40 pm

    What a shitty excuse for a ‘article’ FAIL just like the whore of a mother that failed in that abortion that created you..

    • sam

      October 15, 2009 at 10:14 pm

      this does show the lack of class you guys have

  79. David Fishwick

    October 15, 2009 at 1:15 pm

    I think you went overboard on this one, Kartik, but I respect your work. I agree with your basic premise, but I think you’ve got some things wrong. I believe the Mexican league has instituted some suspensions for diving, and from watching the occassional Mexican game I have seen at least 2 or 3 yellows for diving over the last year.

    Anyway, can you please get an editor or at the very least a gramattical proof reader?

  80. Dallen

    October 15, 2009 at 1:05 pm

    Class…pure class. All of these commentators are just superb individuals.

    Kartik, I see this post doing wonders for your site traffic.

    • USA sucks

      October 15, 2009 at 2:19 pm

      Aww, Now I feel bad, Dallon! You sure put all of us offended people in our place.. I guess it’s okay that your husband runs his mouth about us, and says our culture is cheating, and how much he wanted to see us fail! SURE! Go ahead and keep on putting us down, telling us you’re better than us in every aspect of the game.. we wont retort, we’ll laugh it up and say “hey, he’s right, we are diving cheaters, our league and game is based on cheating, and we really shouldn’t have qualified for South Africa 2010”.. All because we have no class.. we’re just supposed to smile and let half south American half asian know nothings and their fifi husbands minimize our greatness. Jeez, what was I thinking sticking up for my people, my league and my idol Cuauhtemoc? You know what, Mr and Mrs Kartic Dallon? Thank you for opening my eyes and I’m truly sorry for having no class. I should just accept your stupid nonsense comments and say nothing! Shit for brains.

      • sam

        October 15, 2009 at 10:13 pm

        if your idol is temoc you must really be a worthless mexican wannabe, at least root for a classy mexican, oh wait their arent any because they’re a team of cheating losers who will NEVER win anything major in their lives

  81. USA sucks

    October 15, 2009 at 1:05 pm

    Adan is right. Jeff is right. Vnice is right. Everybody’s right but you, shit for brains. Only Dallen agrees with you, but he must be your wife, homos. The us has never won anything but gold cups. Not as many as their daddy, Mexico, but that’s all they’ve ever won. They made it to the confederation cup final, but they lost after they were up 2-0. Mexico (aka your daddy) has 5 gold cups, AND we beat Brazil in the confederation cup final, something the us couldn’t do. And the best part is… got your tissue out? Our 2005 sub 17 Wc team, sorry, our WORLD CHAMPION 2005 sub 17 WC team is blossoming and taking over.. (Evidence of this are the burn marks on donovan’s ass when Juarez took him to the house for the assist on the winning golazo in the Azteca, or the 5 goals in the 2nd half of the 2009 gold cup final that were product of Giovani and Carlitos Vela) So us soccer is in for a long, long string of losses, at the hands of their Father, MEXICO. Even right now, we have much better players, in our league, and in Europe. Guys on clubs that matter, like Arsenal, Tottenham, Barcelona, West Ham and Shakhtar. So, before you go flapping your gums, WASH YOUR MOUTH OUT AND GARGLE WITH GASOLINE before you talk about Mexico, Cuauhtemoc and the FMF. Bitch.

    • sam

      October 15, 2009 at 10:10 pm

      o my god a u-17 world cup, migeria has like ten of those, they matter alot, and confed cups dont matter worth shit, ill admit it um we have plyers on everton, west ham and countless german top flight clubs, and rangers, the defending scotish champs in a physical league were you pussies couldnt handle it, and your players on barca and shaktar dont play, just like at tottenham and arsenal, im sorry it might be a shock but your golden boys dont play at club level, and yes neither does altidore, and NEXT TIME WE BEAT YOUR SORRY EXCUSE OF A COUNTRY YOU CAN GO DRINK SOME ANTI-FREEZE AND ILL DIG YOU SHALLOW GRAVE before YOU talk USA, Donavan, and the USSF you piece of trash illegal immigrant

  82. Ed

    October 15, 2009 at 12:56 pm

    Typical racist NAD fan ALL I can say is karma is a bitch as Charlie Davis can speak of I cant help but smile because of all the racist bullshit NAD fans spew it came back and bit you in karma….He wont go to the world cup and again I cant help but smile at all you racist bastard’s =)

  83. buzzard

    October 15, 2009 at 12:40 pm

    Jeff, steal your ma’s last hooking pay-off and buy yourself a personality – it’s idiots like you that allow the game to fall into disrepute. Central and South American leagues are seen, by the rest of the World, as the domain of divers, cheaters and incompetent refs. This has always been the case, this will always be the case. With the exception of Brazil, there has never been a legitimate Latin World Champion; without the hand of God, Latin football would already have been exposed as the farce that it is. Put any Latin team, again save Brazil, into a match against England – use a German or Italian ref – and watch them get absolutely anhialated by superior teamwork and discipline. When the SAs can’t cheat they’re seen for what they are…..crack. Vela’s pretty f**king awesome though.

  84. Jeff

    October 15, 2009 at 12:03 pm

    You obviously know nothing of football. I repeat. NOTHING.

    First of all, can you tell me which league has actually implemented measures against blatant diving in games? The Mexican League. Yep. Thats right. When PAchuca player Christian Gimenez dove in a match earlier this year he was handed a ban for the next game.
    That proves it. Right there. You are WRONG!!! Your whole hypotheses is wrong. Your are a completey ignorant racist sorry loser. Who pushed for this rule? The FMF. Who applied it? THe FMF. Not even UEFA stood up to Arsenal on the Eduardo saga. But FMF stood by its guns. Maybe the MLs can learn from the FMF on this. They obviously have a lot to learn.
    Yeah some players dive. But look at Messi, how many fouls does he get a game? How many PKs has he drawn? Or even C. Ronaldo? How many? When he was in the EPL? Now that he is in Spain?
    The reason is shit defenders that can’t keep up with his skill. Mexico has also given up PK’s, or have you overlooked the fact? When Maza was in the defense, how many PKs did he give up cause he just does not have the technical skill to keep up with pacey players?
    And while we’re at it, you blubbering child, did you not watch the game in Honduras? Is that not cheating? The first goal coming off a blatant hand ball by Costly? What’s worse, he had the confidence in the referee not calling against Honduras, that he tried it TWICE! No, that’s not cheating, I’m sure.
    You are a sore loser! Can’t stand the fact that Mexican players are EONS above American players technically. You lambast Blanco cause you wish you had a player of his caliber. Granted he likes to get in people’s faces and use his over the top personality to his advantage, but hey, that’s life. Maradona did it. Gascoigne did it. Cruyff. Platini. The list goes on.
    ANd yesterday’s match? HOW many minutes of extra time was the US granted? it should have been over at the 93rd. Bogus. Completely Bogus. The US gets the same beneficial treatment as any team at home. That is why its called home field advantage. Am I pissed at Costly for his antics. Sure. Do I reproach him for doing it? Well, they are in the World Cup? It helped his cause, so you be the judge of that. Thanks to CHEATING Honduras, the team that you wanted in the World Cup, made it. You should watch that game again.
    It seems to me that you aren’t defending the sport. You aren’t defending fair play. You aren’t defending a “moral high ground”. You’re bigotry is masquerading as all these and the true message herein is: “Our way or the highway. We only want our kind.”
    You’re kind? That’s funny. Especially since YOUR national team is scouting Mexican youth like a pack of jackals. Who went into YOUR squad last night to turn the tables? A Mexican. Who does your team have a schoolgirl crush on for your left back position? A Mexican. Who is the first youth to be drafted from its club development system by an MLS team? A Mexican. You NEED Mexicans. Your team will one day reflect the demographic reality that you clearly fear. A team composed primarily of… MEXICANS! Hahaha…. sucks to be you.
    Also, YOUR sources? Well, if YOUR sources are a reflection of your limited capacity to rationalize, create ridiculous conspiracy theories, and utter lack of insight, then I really wouldn’t put any faith in what they say.
    Lastly, if ALL this was so true, the U-20 would have participated in the World Cup going on right now. Or did you not follow that qualifying process? Probably not since you obviously are as near-sited as a glow worm. After the U-17 WON the world cup in 2005, these competitions have created a HUGE following in Mexico. MEaning lots of cash in showing the games. But, the MExicans faced crap refereeing. Total CRAP. To top it off, they did not score when they needed to. It just didn’t happen. No favoritism. Or, the qualification to the Olympics. Crashed and burned. The cash cow was there. The team just didn’t pull through.
    Just because a team manages to scrape by does not mean that there is something shady. Look at Argentina now. They played like crap. But they made it. They were able to scrape by. No calls of foul play. They just got the minimum. That is what Mexico did to get to the hexagonal. End of story. They did it playing crap. But did it. I should write an article that states how something sneaky must have happened at the Confederations Cup. Oh wait… or I can just accept the fact that in soccer anything can happen. Sometimes your in. Sometimes your out. One goal will be enough, other times it won’t be. But one thing that no amount of goals can change is this: You are a complete moron.

    • park bolivar

      October 15, 2009 at 12:40 pm

      “Your are a completey ignorant racist sorry loser.”

      Spelling an grammatical errors aside, you’re out and out wrong on this. Kartik, an American of South Asian origin himself, has aggressively pushed for the inclusion of white, black, and latino players in the USMNT and has bemoaned the suburban youth development culture of US Soccer (which is overwhelmingly white. Kartik’s lobbied for more start time for Torres (who is an American, of Mexican origin, not a Mexican, as you suggest) on at least a half-dozen blog posts and in at least 3 podcasts.

      Sure, some of Kartik’s points are worth arguing, but, please, don’t call this guy a racist.

      • cam'ron

        October 16, 2009 at 2:41 am

        katrik is a self-loathing racist.

      • Tony

        October 16, 2009 at 4:58 am

        The Mexican fans are actually the most racist in CONCACAF outside of El Salvador. Watch the way Mexican players treat blacks on other teams, particularly Honduras and Costa Rica. Also, check out how El Tri’s fans treated any foreign born player naturalized to play for Mexico. They believe in racial and ethnic purity, which is after all a choice they have made- but please don’t accuse us, or one of our own of being racist.

    • kevin_amold

      October 15, 2009 at 1:04 pm

      I wonder if you even watched the match yesterday. 5 minutes of added time was not excessive. Three subs for both teams. WAY too much time wasting and the bizarre saga with the sending off of the manager and his assistant. Not to mention a serious injury that required a stretcher. I think a Costa Rican had the stretcher brought out only for it to be brought back without him. The goal came within the 5 minutes, so what’s the problem?

    • Lars

      October 15, 2009 at 7:10 pm

      If I could be bothered with reading this half assed, poorly written rant, I’d write something meaningful in response.

    • CleartheBall

      October 16, 2009 at 11:30 am

      Who’s the racist?? Torres is an American. Castillo, also an American. Mike Bradley is also an American, even though he plays in Germany. Donovan, amazingly, also an American. One can be American with pretty much any hair, skin or eye color. You are a racist moron. Kartik was writing on the style of football played by each country, not the genetic makeup of each team.

  85. saulo

    October 15, 2009 at 11:52 am

    PMS much?!?!?!

  86. REAL soccer fan

    October 15, 2009 at 11:46 am

    F.U. thats all I can say

  87. Vnice

    October 15, 2009 at 11:37 am

    Trent…you speak for ALL Canadian fans, huh? Dude, come off yourself. You speak for yourself, dipshit.

    While I agree that Mexican soccer tends to emphasize diving, etc., this article seriously has a very xenophobic, anti-foreign bent to it that I find pretty surprising. One of the world’s great divers, Christiano Ronaldo, gets no mention. I know this article is supposed to focus on how USA suffered at the hands of cheating by Mexico, but your whole tone is misguided.

    • Trent Bruner

      October 15, 2009 at 3:50 pm

      Although there are many other examples of diving and cheating that take place in the soccer world, I stand behind what I said and will not accept any foul language from you or anyone else. Kartik has told the truth; case closed.

  88. USA sucks

    October 15, 2009 at 11:35 am

    Ah, the hate accumulates like snow. Kartik Krishnaiyer, youre a perfect definiton of a hater. But you know what it sounds like to me? WAH WAH WAH WAH WAH WAH WAH WAH.. The Mexican game is far superior to your little us soccer. Your little mickey mouse league is a joke. Why do you think Beckham wants to leave?? Face it, Kartik Mexico is your God, and Cuauhtemoc is your daddy. I gotta go now, I gotta take a us soccer then flush it down the toilet where it belongs.. Then I’ll wipe it with Kartik’s mama, after she gives me a wowis.. USA SUCKS! USA SUCKS! USA SUCKS!

    • Berlin

      October 15, 2009 at 2:28 pm

      Ha, ha, Cuauhtemoc, your best player, [sic] plays in our joke league. Maybe he’ll retire to the Primera some day for a little R&R.

      • sam

        October 15, 2009 at 9:40 pm

        i guess if if blanco playing in the us makes him our daddy in our little league, jose torres is your god because he plays in your awsome league, im sorry your testicles havent dropped yet little boy boy but when you say wipe with his mom that gives away your age

  89. Dallen

    October 15, 2009 at 11:33 am

    Diving is, 99% of the time, so subjective to referee. It’s much harder to prove than to get away with.

    I really don’t think we have any option beyond just keeping the moral high ground, reminding El Tri supporters that their team is full of a bunch of weak floppers and going about our business (our business being continuing to prove we are better than them in nearly every way on the pitch).

  90. adan

    October 15, 2009 at 11:17 am

    Mexico is the giant of CONCACAF and that’s why we are in the world cup.

    • sam

      October 15, 2009 at 9:37 pm

      because the “giants” won the hex, and theyll go three and out, loing to new zealand

  91. Cowtowngooner

    October 15, 2009 at 11:12 am

    COCACAF is a complete joke. The most corrupt soccer region in the world. Canada takes it in the ass from the officials time after time. It doesn’t matter what kind of squad we assemble, we will have to host the World Cup to make the finals.

  92. Martin

    October 15, 2009 at 11:09 am

    “We are an honest people, and with our triumph in the Hex, and honest culture has one over a dishonest one (Mexican Football).”

    This is one of the most blatant, disingenuous, myopic, idiotic comments I’ve ever read, which borders on blatant racism. I agree that certain footballers tend to dive more than others. It’s an issue all over the world. It’s also true that money plays a big part in CONCACAF, just as it does in UEFA and everywhere else. If you have proof that money has exchanged hands or officials have been paid off to cheat then let’s see it.

    “This strecth of matches included three which Javier Aguirre was suspended from, thanks to his inexplicable decision to punch former Revoltuion midfield Ricardo Phillips versus Panama.”

    Just one small example of you completely making up facts based on an already existing bias. Racism is a big problem in society, especially within the “honest people / culture” that you claim to represent from your point of view.

    But thanks for letting us get a closer look at your true colors.

    • kevin_amold

      October 15, 2009 at 12:09 pm

      The US soccer culture in terms of diving and attempting to “deceive” the referee is much more honest than Mexico’s. I hesitate to label all Latino countries as willing to dive, but I lived in Chile for a few years, and when we got together to play, it was astonishing to see how quickly players went down. It really made me mad. I played with a group of Argentines down there. They weren’t quite as bad. When I played with mostly Mexicans in Phoenix, we spent SO much time disputing fouls that it’s maddening. I played in a group recently with mostly American players and it’s a point of pride for all of us that we don’t crumble to the ground when we’re challenged close to the goal. i know because we talk about it.

      This is based on real experience. If saying that the culture of soccer in Mexico and Chile values diving more than in the US makes me a racist, so be it.

  93. Joey Clams

    October 15, 2009 at 10:53 am

    A straight red for dives in the penalty area would solve the problem. We punish the last defender similarly, do we not?

    I try to like Mexico but just when I’ve warmed to them they remind me of their paranoia, triumphalism, cheating, hot-headedness and the kind of dishonesty that dwells on Donovan’s taking a piss in the corner of an empty stadium while overlooking their players consistent refusal to shake hands after having lost.

  94. cam'ron

    October 15, 2009 at 10:52 am

    you sound like Samuel Huntington, you self-loathing xenophobic. the anglophile comment you made is one of the transparently reeks of this – ‘purity’? come on, son.

  95. cam'ron

    October 15, 2009 at 10:47 am

    u mad

  96. Nick

    October 15, 2009 at 10:35 am

    Hey Kartik – Have the ratings for last nights US match been released yet?

  97. Kevin_Amold

    October 15, 2009 at 10:31 am

    “I write this with a clean conscience, largely because the national team that has been the biggest victim of Mexican diving, and CONCACAF officials indulgence of cheating is Honduras, who somehow still managed to qualify for the World Cup.”

    This is one of the greatest sentences I have read on the site. I cannot wait to finish reading this when I get to work….

  98. Lowell

    October 15, 2009 at 10:20 am

    I dont mind the officiating be garbage as long as it is unbiased garbage. Make your fantom calls ref, but make sure you do it both ways. What gets me more agitated than poor officiating on “plays” is the blatant time wasting that is allowed. If a player cant hustle off the field during a substitution (like last night,) they should be given a red and the sub not permitted to take place.

    Sure, dribble the ball into the corner, hack it out of bounds, make substitutions, but dont allow dawdling to the sidelines. It does the game no good when officials selectively enforce rules which were implemented to keep the game flowing.

    I dont think Mexico would get a fair game if they played in whitebread Kansas with an all-American officiating crew. Just like Israel will never get a fair game in Germany.

    • elduderino

      October 15, 2009 at 1:37 pm

      The ref can’t make phantom calls both ways if only one team is doing the diving and the other team is not.

      • Lowell

        October 15, 2009 at 2:47 pm

        Obviously you’ve never been a ref before.

        Once more I have to question whether you even watch sports? Routinely, officials make up for “ticky-tack” calls with another ticky tack call later in the match.

  99. Charles

    October 15, 2009 at 10:06 am

    Joe in Indy.
    Obviously you are a smart man because you are a Sounders fan.
    MLS SHOULD take the lead. It would take nothing to change the culture, nothing but saying if you dive you are done.
    Players understand costs and benefits, that is why they dive in the first place. No cost, maybe a huge benefit. Huge costs, small chance at benefit = NO DIVING.
    The ref doesn’t even have to change a thing. Have all games reviewed for cheating post game on video.
    How do get the MLS to make it happen ?

  100. Charles

    October 15, 2009 at 9:57 am

    I don’t disagree with what you are saying, but it isn’t just a Mexico problem.
    It is a world wide soccer problem.
    Look at two cultures:
    Soccer: Where a guy purposely goes down, trying to decieve the ref into making a mistake ie. cheating to win a game.
    Golf: Where guys keep track of their own scorecard.
    What are the penalties for cheating. In golf, even if it is an honest mistake, you forfeit the game. In soccer ? There is no consequence. None. A yellow card sometimes? Give me a break.
    If a guy dives, whether the ref catches it or the replay reviewed after the game shows it, he/she should be booted out of any FIFA play for life. Period.
    How long would it take for Ronaldo to not dive ? His ability to turn on a dime on the field would have nothing on how fast he would change directions on diving.

  101. Guest

    October 15, 2009 at 9:42 am

    “It also could have been due to the number of Latin officials that were assigned to Mexico’s games against non-Spanish speaking countries.”

    Liked your opinion piece but I think it’s full of shallow generalizations like the one above.

    So Latin (latino by the way) officials favored Mexico… because some unspoken racial bond or something? You should know better. In fact, most other Spanish speaking countries in CONCACAF DETEST Mexico so if anything, having non-Mexican referees would go against El Tri.

  102. Trent Bruner

    October 15, 2009 at 9:38 am

    I am safe in speaking for all Canadian soccer fans reading this article as well. You have strong support from Canada for what you have written here. It may have been hard for you to write this, but you’ve told the truth and we give you many salutes from north of the border. I agree that with the problems Canada has also had with CONCACAF policies and decisions, it is time for everyone to take stock and take the hits, no matter how hard they may be. It is written that “the love of money is the root of all evil.” It’s time to clean house at all costs!! Thank you for your honesty. CONCACAF, take notice!

    • Kartik Krishnaiyer

      October 15, 2009 at 9:43 am

      Thanks! Canada has been as we all know eliminated from the last two Gold Cups on what can only be described as terrible calls, bordering on fixed calls. I should point out to those who may feel I am not objective that the US was the benificiary of one of those calls, which is among the worst referee mistakes any of us have ever seen.

      The fact that a CONCACAF official did not realize you could not be offsides on a back pass still blows my mind two and a half years later!

    • Lars

      October 15, 2009 at 7:06 pm

      So so true. CONCACAF’s corruption hurts the quality of the teams. If the players can sit back and expect refs to help them out, how does this prepare them for the World Cup?

    • Brian Zygo

      October 15, 2009 at 9:42 pm

      Canada is where the US once was in CONCACAF, and one day Canada will get through the growing pains and become a strong force in this Confederation.

      • Lars

        October 15, 2009 at 9:57 pm

        I hope for my country’s sake that you are correct.

  103. Joe in Indianapolis

    October 15, 2009 at 9:26 am

    I made a concerted effort to follow an MLS team this year. I chose Seattle Sounders FC at the start of the season. Even though they don’t play so beautifully most of the time, I do enjoy their grit. All of it comes from the American players (Jaqua, Levesque, Keller, et al). HOWEVER, I cannot stand Fredy Montero. There, I said it. He dives all the time. It’s a disgrace. He rolls around on the ground. Even though he leads the team in goals, I would honestly prefer if he were not on the team. Montero is Columbian, not Mexican. I make these comments only to point out that I totally agree that this type of play is encouraged in other football cultures and does not work in the States. I want to see my team’s players fighting for goals honestly and never getting calls before I see them flop for PKs. It’s my #1complaint with the game, and it’s something that can easily be addressed by severe bans post game by the leagues and governing bodies by looking at replays and punishing dives SEVERELY. I would love to see MLS take the lead on this, but sadly I know that will never be the case.

    • Brian Zygo

      October 15, 2009 at 9:40 pm

      I agree Joe. Montero is an example of a good, talented, young player who is destroying his reputation with his diving. Like Cristiano Ronaldo, Montero does not need to dive, and the fact that both do so consistently is a scab on the Beautiful Game.

  104. Ryan

    October 15, 2009 at 9:22 am

    “Gio Dos Santos, and Carlos Vela have come of age”

    In CONCACAF terms, sure. Neither is seeing any more significant minutes at their club than Jozy or Gooch (pre-injury).

    • Joel

      October 17, 2009 at 12:02 pm

      Gio and Vela are only 20years old. Wait a year and watch them become starters on their teams. Eventually these two are going to terrorize the USA national team.
      i guess i would be very upset if Mexico would have lost to the USA twice its obvious that everyone here criticizing Mexico just have a sore ass because MEXICO raped them.

  105. Tom

    October 15, 2009 at 9:16 am

    Thank you for saying what many US fans know to be true. Mexico are a bunch of little diving, whining bitches. Everyone knows this.

  106. inyourface

    October 15, 2009 at 8:52 am

    blame it all on the refs. that is all people do, the game is not perfect but that the beauty of it. i saw a ref give 2 red cards within 10 min in mexican league for challenges that in the premier are made every five min.your just mad that mexico beat the U.S. twice in a row, gold cup and qualifiers. maybe you should write about how many fans go to watch mls games and how many fans go watch superliga.

    • sam

      October 15, 2009 at 9:30 pm

      no one cares about the gold cup but you stupid la tri supporters, and the 2 reds in a minute magnifies the point that they dive, a simple tackle is a card, so they think a nudge, ill get a foul fall fall, in the world cup the refs will call so many diving fouls against them the team will be carded out hahaha

  107. Offebacher

    October 15, 2009 at 8:06 am

    Next we should remove the Taco Bells and then pay back the Germans for bombing Pearl Harbor! In all seriousness, while there are clear differences in the style of play between the Leagues this statement: “Our players, for the most part do not dive and do not attempt to coax the match officials into making calls.” borders on the ridiculous. Really, we have no divers or players of American Citizenship in MLS or USL acting like that in the games? Oh yeah, for the most part really makes a clear distinction.
    Better accountability for the Officials is needed everywhere, not just in CONCACAF but I do agree that in our Region we need to do a better job with our training and enforcement of Officials and Rules in all competitions.

  108. Edson

    October 15, 2009 at 7:54 am

    Mexican talents like Gio, Vela, Blanco just to mention a few tend to dribble alot and defenders can’t keep up with them hence all the pk’s, I also think that your mad because once again Mexico is US father. We’ll see who gets further in the world cup.

    • Jerry

      October 15, 2009 at 6:33 pm

      I can almost guarantee that Mexico will not get past the group stage. In fact I cant see then winning in any games regardless of whos in their group. Face it, Mexico will always get favoritism in CONCACAF because the revenue as much even more then the US soccer does, its all money! thats all that matters in CONCACAF because of the lack of it from smaller countries like El Salvador who have a huge support from fans in their country and a massive support in the US/Canada but still cant make the kind of money that Mexico and US makes. when mexico looked like they were almost out of qualifying, CONCACAF responded with favoritism from refs. its obvious any futbol fan can see that, they got away with so many BS calls, and diving and the fact that there “best player” Blanco whos in his late 50’s i think (joke) is the ambassador for diving and putting one over the ref is a testimony to Mexican soccer. Mexican Soccer is ruled by mostly south american players as far as goal scores go. Bottom line, this article got it right on the nose! I pretty much watched every game during this CONCACAF qualifying and I can tell you that any team that played against mexico in some way got screwed unless it was a game that revenues enough money that the outcome wouldn’t have mattered. Like the first USA vs Mexico game, the El Salvador Vs Mexico game in El Salvador and a few others. And even then you still saw refs trying to screw the other team. Its like these small countries can ever make a break because of the corruption in CONCACAF and the corruption in Mexico which influences a lot especially when money is involved. With the exception of Honduras who qualified with no help from the refs, Mexico and US will always dominate the region because of the wealth it has when its being pumped into their national team. Central America and Canada produce great players, but unfortunately they get overshadowed by the corruption in CONCACAF. I will say this also, that Blanco is a piece of crap! He beats his wife, doesn’t pay child support, is a bad sportsmen, just an all around piece of crap that somehow seems to be praised in his country like a god. Its sad….

      • sam

        October 15, 2009 at 9:26 pm

        speakin the truth brother

      • trulala

        October 16, 2009 at 12:36 pm

        yooo buddy…cuauhtemoc blanco is “a piece of crap” but destroys your countries league and is the best player in the MLS… so….if he’s a piece of crap what does that say about your league? Canada couldn’t win… that’s why theyre not in the world cup nothing to do with the concacaf favouring anyone…how can you say that a team qualifies just because of the referees… if you can’t win the games don’t blame it on the ref’s every team gets calls against them, and in their favour. mexico was bombarded with calls against them in the early stages of the hexagonal. Diving has always been a part of the game and is now in the game so deal with it and your just so mad knowing that a “50” year old single handedly destroys the U.S and every other team. His pure presence on the field makes the americans legs shake…

      • jermain

        October 18, 2009 at 8:04 pm

        good comeback

  109. Sponge Worthy

    October 15, 2009 at 6:10 am

    I honestly can’t even address the specific poitns made here, but the lack of tranparency and accountability surrounding referee decisions in soccer is a definite problem.

  110. johnny3725

    October 15, 2009 at 4:52 am

    oh shut up. mex is in. dats all dat matters!

    • sam

      October 15, 2009 at 9:25 pm


      • Mosco

        October 23, 2009 at 12:09 am


        Whit one game at hand?

        Spazzo much?

  111. Jack(Vegas)

    October 15, 2009 at 4:38 am

    Diving is killing the beautiful game just like the flop is destroying basketball.

    • Berlin

      October 15, 2009 at 2:55 pm

      Kartik, I appreciate the journalistic integrity if nothing else. Mexico is definitely the favorite son of CONCACAF, but the US is not far behind. The real garbage is the poor quality of CONCACAF across the board. The referees make international and champions league games almost unwatchable at times.
      Still, no objective viewer can disagree that the Mexican side has committed some fairly serious unsporting acts over the years, including the kick to the stomach (not punch) against Phillips. He should have received a ban of months not matches, but CONCACAF let him off the hook. Probably about the same as they would do for anyone else. The confederation really just doesn’t give a sh1t about the quality or reputation of the football played here. Until that changes, the status quo will remain and we will stay a second rate conference.

      • Brian Zygo

        October 15, 2009 at 9:35 pm

        I disagree Berlin, it isn’t poor quality in CONCACAF but the fact that the other teams follow Mexico’s lead to their detriment. Teams that are fast and agile only hurt themselves by employing the diving and “gamesmanship” tactics of Mexico. These speedy little teams put the brake on themselves when they should just move forward and shoot.

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