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Man United 4-3 Man City: An Instant Classic


If there was ever a doubt that the Premier League is the greatest league in the world, then tell the non-believers to watch today’s Manchester derby. What a game. What a game!

The match is an instant classic and a brilliant advertisement for football and the Premier League. Played at a blistering pace at times and with plenty of sensational goals, this game had everything.

However, one sour note was Alan Wiley joking and laughing with Sir Alex Ferguson near the end of the game while Mark Hughes was furious at more than four minutes of added time being played. For Wiley to do that at that particular time in the game was bad form.

This game will go down in the history books as one of the most amazing Manchester derbies ever. Manchester City supporters will feel cheated, but their club put in an incredible performance.

Seriously, this was one of the best Premier League matches I’ve EVER seen.

Does it get any better than that?

Post your comments below.

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  1. Sam

    September 24, 2009 at 4:36 am

    OMG Chris what are you talking about jealous and only top 6 hahahahahaaha if thats so about are players il name all the players that would start for man utd if they played for them, Reina, Johnson, Mascherano, Kuyt, Benayoun, Gerrard and Torres! 2 man team makes me laugh we will see,

    Oh and to the guy that said what top 6 team plays for the draw. CHELSEA at anfield last year parked the bus then torres scored 2 in the last 5 mins, Man Utd at anfield last year played the whole second half for the draw!!!!

    I cant believe you Man U fans it happens so much and the reason those stats say u get the least time added on is because when you winning 1-0 the ref blows up ASAP even all the pundits say that. If the rule was fixed and not just for Man U that any time wasted in a game should be added on you would have 6-8 mins after every game and at least another 2 mins added on for injury time. Lets face it Man Utd get the rub of every green its an absolute joke, it wont make a difference though cos your team is poor this year and if rooney gets marked whos gonna open the teams up! Ronaldo united is a forgoton team and with tevez gone you lack spark! We beat you 4-1 at your own gaff with full squad and we never had alonso on the pitch so u cant use that one. God know what the score will be this yr!

  2. Scott

    September 23, 2009 at 8:11 pm

    The data is rubbish in how it was presented. In order for it to mean anything, they would need to show the stoppage time of other teams in their home games. I would be willing to bet that its not much different than what happens at Anfield, Stamford Bridge, or the Emirates, or probably any stadium for that matter. Most teams would be happy to get a win on the road and will try to kill time. Ask Mr Wenger about that last year during their FA Cup game at home against Hull City. He was going off on all the time Hull was wasting.

    They really need to show the other times to make any kind of fair comparison as far as I am concerned.

    • Gaz

      September 24, 2009 at 9:41 am

      Fair point I suppose – though it doesn’t make the data rubbish just because it doesn’t analyze the other teams.

      I would put so much down on that fact that United get more time (average) than another other team in the EPL when not winning. I really wish I could really take you on that bet. 🙂

  3. Gaz

    September 23, 2009 at 11:30 am

    Davemo? Anyone?

    Are we still just hating on United when the data backs up our claims? 🙂

    • DaveMo

      September 24, 2009 at 10:45 am

      Interesting stats. But do they tell the whole story? If United is ahead, and at OT they usually control possession, then they can pass the ball around and use up the allotted added time with little need to tack any on. If they’re behind (or tied), then the other team is doing whatever they can to kill clock (including faking injury, delaying goal kicks, delaying throw ins,…) – leading the ref to add seconds. And how many times of the 12 games surveyed (the matches United was not leading) did United score in injury time? A goal in injury time will add to injury time, skewing the survey by definition (I’d bet there were very few goals in the injury time of the other 48 games surveyed).

      And why does extra time favor United if the game is tied? Aren’t there two teams on the pitch – both trying to score?

      Obviously, I don’t have access to the data to defend every instance of United scoring in added time. But I have no doubts whatsoever that the added time in Sunday’s match was justified.

  4. Ian B

    September 22, 2009 at 7:01 am

    Proof that Man U get more injury time when they need it.

    • Gaz

      September 22, 2009 at 4:12 pm

      See! That’s the shite I’m talking about!

  5. Morgan

    September 21, 2009 at 1:07 pm

    Michael Owen has an extreme case of gay face in this picture.

  6. NewtonHeath

    September 21, 2009 at 12:58 pm

    Indeed a true classic, but will probably be harped on for the wrong reasons. In the end, I always evaluate a football match if I was a neutral. Theoretical: Was I entertained? Yes. Would I watch the game again? Yes. That’s all there really is to it. Great point about this being a perfect match to draw people into football and the premier league with. Matches like that are bound to draw new fans to the sport (if they can somehow see the match!)

    United were dominant in the second half but City looked dangerous on a few occasions. The time dispute at the end is obviously questionable but being a United fan it (obviously) didn’t bother me. If I were to try and get inside the ref’s head, here’s how I would explain it. If he adds 1 minute or 1.5 minutes for Bellamy’s late celebration then there you go. Then apparently he could have added 30 seconds or so for the Carrick substitution? That gets you to 1.5 or 2 minutes or so if you tally that up. But either way people will still argue and nitpick about that.

    Great match all around, gotta love excitement.


  7. randomsausage

    September 21, 2009 at 12:19 pm

    It would be a pretty blinkered neutral fan who didn’t think ManU deserved to win for their second half performance. What struck me was the amateurism of Hughes: the poor City players were screaming at him (the heroic Nigel de Jong, for example) that their midfield was being overrun and he needed to change the system — he should have seen that himself, not wait for his players to beg him to change.

    Great game marred by some terrible performances from three England players: Foster, Ferdinand, Bridge…..all were appalling.

    • Huh

      September 21, 2009 at 9:19 pm

      What is this screaming at to change stuff u are going on about you cannot really believe this can you? do you seriously think De Jong tells Hughes what to do? Then again you call Bellamy a child molester in 1 post so ur not playing with a full deck of cards are u.

  8. liverpool for the carling cup woohooo

    September 21, 2009 at 11:10 am

    Look at all the pathetic crying comments the jealousy must kill you
    f….k off and worry about your own team.. man city deserved a point
    what f…kin game where you watching.. Man city 4 shots on target Man utd 14 on target corners man utd 11 man city 3 at one stage in 2nd half ball control was 80% uniteds should have won 6:1 never mind 4:3 and city deserved a point don’t kid yourself city where outclassed

    • Huh

      September 21, 2009 at 5:01 pm

      What game were you watching fool ’14 shots on target’ never happened just like 11 corners and 80% is for a time period u nob at one stage in the first it would have been pretty similar for City. the possession according to Opta stats for the game as a whole in The Sun was 51% Utd and because your an idiot I’ll tell you that city’s was 49% massive difference eh? Who was the home team? You are that dumb and your lying to try to make a point you must be Tyson in disguise.

  9. DaveMo

    September 21, 2009 at 11:08 am

    Anyone with half a brain (note that I would exclude many of the above from that list) knows that goals scored in extra time and substitutes made in extra time and injuries that happen in extra time and general time wasting by goalkeepers and throw-in takers and spot kick takers ALL ADD TIME to extra time.

    Personally, I laughed at Shay Given taking 30 seconds to take a six kick when the game was tied in injury time. No team that considers themselves a “big club” plays for the draw. City was gifted a pair of goals by HOWLERS – not mere defensive errors. The blue-headed stepchildren knew they would have been stealing a point had they escaped with a draw.

    • Gaz

      September 21, 2009 at 2:16 pm

      That’s silly.

      Every other game (look at the others if you need a reference) say x minutes of extra time and end after x minutes of extra time (sometimes 30 seconds or so are added just the the hell of it). Time wasting occurs in those games too but those referees don’t add it on.

      If it’s so obvious that that is what should happen, why does it so infrequently happen?

      Listen, don’t get me wrong: Manchester United deserved that win. It just leave a bit of a sour taste that it had to happen after the game should have been over.

      • DaveMo

        September 22, 2009 at 11:50 am

        Your complaint is that it’s not consistent, but the rules are clear. If things happen in injury time, it will ADD to injury time. Otherwise, once the ref locks the game down at 3 minutes, what recourse does he have if one side decides to waste the entire time? I don’t see the logic of arguing that it’s not fair that the ref did the right thing.

        …and you can trot out all the games you want where injury time ended on the mark, but how many results were in the balance? How many didn’t have time-wasting (or goals or subs) in injury time? And you’d be hard pressed to find a game where the ref didn’t let the attack that’s underway play out – even if it adds 15-30 seconds or more.

        • Gaz

          September 22, 2009 at 4:09 pm

          I am not complaining about the rule – you’re right. I think it makes sense. I am complaining about the consistency of the rule.

          And yes, I can complain when a referee does the right thing and no one else does. It is unfair to the other teams in the league.

          I would NOT be hard-pressed to find games that the ref doesn’t let the attack finish. Uh, Carlton Cole’s disallowed goal last weekend at Wigan anyone?

          The point is – yes, this may be the right way. However, it NEVER happens. EVER! The 4th referee says 3 minutes and 3 minutes and 30 seconds later the game ends. Every. single. time.

          This shit only happens at Old Trafford. If this were a draw game between Hull City and Spurs with Wigan wasting time for the draw… it would still end after regulation plus 30 seconds or so.

          Again, however, Manchester United WAS the better team. 🙂

  10. Gaz

    September 21, 2009 at 10:45 am

    It just seems so damn shady that United always seem to get the extra minute or two to get that last effing goal. 🙂

    Seriously though – shouldn’t there be some sort of consistency with these added minutes. Some referees seem to take 4 minutes as 4 minutes, while others take 4 minutes as 4 minutes plus whatever time is wasted during those 4 minutes.

    MOST referees take it as 4 minutes is 4 minutes (despite what substitutions and stoppage happens during that time).

    It just leaves a sour take in your mouth after what was an otherwise great game. That and the fact that the referee was having a laugh with Sir Alex while the game was still on.

    That Owen goal, by the way, gave me goosebumps. Great goal.

  11. Sam

    September 21, 2009 at 9:50 am

    totally agree I think most neutrals will agree LFC were the best team in the prem last year, a number of silly referee mistakes (stoke at anfield and spurs at OT) cost us the league) its makes you wonder if someone put a bet on Utd to break our record so long ago. It is stupid how lucky they get

    • Chris

      September 21, 2009 at 10:49 am

      Man utd where lucky you say grow up you sad jealous Liverpool rat..
      Liverpool are a woeful team apart from 2 players they have no other Liverpool player would even come close to getting in the united team
      or Chelsea with man city now about i can see Liverpool going another 18 years without winning the league your just a top 6 team now face it, Its to funny how you Liverpool rats come on here to talk about man utd winning f…kin classic..

  12. Ian B

    September 21, 2009 at 8:43 am

    Man Utd weren’t lucky – there was more to it than that. They basically have a system when they play at Old Trafford in games where they are level or behind – they get as much injury time as they need to score a goal. Whether they do this by paying off the refs I don’t know (conspiratorial true, but it happened in Italy undetected for years) or if the refs are just intimidated. Either way, it’s criminal. I don’t especially like City, but United get away with absolute robbery sometimes. If, in 10 years time, it’s revealed that there’s been a Moggi-style match fixing scandal in English football, remember that I told you so.

  13. Sam

    September 21, 2009 at 8:15 am

    Once again Man United get lucky, people are saying alot of things but Man U will win the open games (well most) but they will struggle against the lesser sides like stoke away as they dont have the creativity to burst them open anymore they are the biggest one man band ive seen for a while and when the come to anfield this will be shown as we beat them with all the big boys now rooneys left on his own and hes not that good to be honest.

  14. Ford Prefect

    September 21, 2009 at 4:44 am

    I’ll preface by saying that I’ve been United fan for nearly 20 years–Regardless of how you feel about the outcome (and obviously I was very happy)–I think everyone can agree that that was one of the funnest matches to watch in awhile–Awesome goals from Bellamy, Fletcher, Rooney, and Owen–Outstanding (esp. the work on Barry’s goal) and classy performance by Tevez–Outstanding performance from Giggs, the Ageless Wonder–Back and forth action–AND a little controversy–Just everthing you could hope for from a Derby of this stature–Two Thumbs Way Up!!!

    • Huh

      September 21, 2009 at 7:50 am

      Decent post

  15. Arsenal14

    September 21, 2009 at 3:46 am

    CIty played Well in the 1st half no1 can say any different..United did nothing..looked like no threat at all going forward outside of the first 2 minutes..United were the better team in the 2nd half but since United most of the time are 2nd best and get Bs ref decisions or Dive or get 1,582 minutes extra time to get the goal they need, they deserve nothing ..and give me a frigin break about Desilva diving when Rooney does a billion times worse atleast twice a season in BIG games and should be carded almost every other week or thrown out of game when he crys whines and curses like a spoiled little brat at the ref…United Deserve nothing..They were home in a match they needed to prove something and they got outplayed for HALF of the game, needed a turncoat Owen goal and added time that was not there..Hughes knew it 2 minutes before the Bs Owen goal went in. ..At the half if you sat there and said “Oh yeah United are gunna win this one easily” ..You were not watching the game..City deserved a point just as much as United..They never gave up and came back time and time again..Craigs first goal was a bullet and after he took the ball away from Turtlehead its not like that finish was easy!

  16. andrew

    September 21, 2009 at 2:39 am

    the conspiracy theories are hilarious but to say city played well is laughable.

    United torched them for the longest of time. Shay Given is quality though.

    • Huh

      September 21, 2009 at 7:47 am

      Why for 1 decent save foster’s was better from SWP’s shot!

  17. Patrick Low

    September 21, 2009 at 1:52 am

    I fully agreed with Arsenal14. Where did the six minutes or more come from? I am getting fed up with EPL’s biasness towards Man U. Whenever they play and are either drawing or trailing in a game, referees will always add many more minutes for them to try and come back. Nonsense!! Utterly nonsense!! Any team in the premier league is always up against 12 men! No wonder they are always winning silverwares (unglamourously!) I thinik it’s time the FA took a serious view of this issue.

  18. Arsenal14

    September 21, 2009 at 12:56 am

    Horrible ending to a Classic..where did the 7 minutes come from? or the 5 and a half? honeslty if United are up THAT TIME NEVER COMES! NEVER! United get a FLUKE WIN over us and a BS win over City..City controled this game in the 1st half minus the 1st 2 minutes..that can not be disputed, Carlito had a great chance before the end of the half to put City up..United had a 20 minute period in the 2nd half which saw Demi head the ball right at the keeper time after time or just flat out miss because he sucks..City knew this and said why bother even covering him..Owen scores a lucky fluke goal and he should celebrate it up because at the end of the year when UNITED FINISHES outside of first, all the United fans will cry about what a bad signing he was..Before the season started I picked United for first NO WAY they finish there now after watching them and who they have..Wait till they have to go on the road and not get these BS twilight zone stoppage times and get Hammered By the Pool, US , City and Chelski..I am only a fan of Arsenal but I would LOVE to see City finish above United this year..LOVE IT..Its another Man United BS win with Forgotson ranting about how they shoulda won by 6 or 7! yet at the end of the game he’s ready to make out with the 4th offical and jumping around like hes just got layed for the 1st time in 20 years..yeah thats the way you celebrate a win over a team you coulda beat by 7!..Good old Forgotson..and to any United fan thats gunna say something we went UNBEATIN AN ENTIRE SEASON and thats something you’ll never do..I also Hope United end up getting a transfer ban..To bad Jose (I like Hughes) wasnt in charge of City that way he could have went off about how Forgotson and the 4th offical were ready to jump into bed together and the outerspace extra time..DISGRACE!

    • Huh

      September 21, 2009 at 7:45 am

      You sound a bit like Kegan with the Love it thing mate lol. Lets not forget this isn’t there derby according to Fergie that’s Liverpool so he wouldn’t have been that bothered if he lost Ha ha, but then you look at him and his players running and jumping for joy on the final whistle (more than in the Champs final against Chelsea) when it eventually came lol and you just know he is very worried about City whatever crap he sprouts. Just ask the Manchester Reds who there derby is and they’ll tell you straight, nobody wants to go to work the next day if they lost!

  19. Scott

    September 21, 2009 at 12:34 am

    I have just one other small point to make about the stoppage time thing. I don’t care how much time is added on, both teams have the same opportunity to score during that time. If City had scored then, I bet you City fans wouldn’t have been complaining about the extra time. I also know if City had, the United fans would be whining up a storm like the City fans are now. Oh well, its quite simple really, don’t stop until the final whistle goes.

    • Huh

      September 21, 2009 at 7:31 am

      No No we wouldn’t your right because if we were the pressing team it would not have been added. Also if the score was still 3-2 this double extra time would not of took place! or don’t tell me you think it would. Get your watch ready for future Utd games and see if your right. Because I think u will be disappointed!

  20. SSReporters

    September 20, 2009 at 10:53 pm

    The commentary that went with it from Jon Champion was one of the best I’ve ever heard.

    It’s a minimum of 4 added minutes so anyone complaining about that when there were other events that added on to the minimum please shut up.

    • The Gaffer

      September 21, 2009 at 6:58 am

      This doesn’t happen very often, but I also thought David Pleat did a fantastic job yesterday as the co-commentator. He was especially astute at pointing out Mark Hughes’s tactical changes in the second half, and how he reverted back to his original formation later in the game.

      The Gaffer

      • CFTV

        September 21, 2009 at 9:47 am

        Pleat also pointed out the injury substitution of Anderson for Carrick was a great move as it gave Fergie 30 seconds of extra time because of the sub to buy some extra time. That said if I remember right Pleat wasn’t happy that Anderson was the player coming off with Carrick coming on. I thought it was a smart move as Carrick is a lot taller than Anderson and would be a better weapon on a crossed in ball because of his size.


    September 20, 2009 at 8:10 pm

    Last week they beat gunner but this week they lost to man utd.It really awesome to see the riches club lost to utd.They want to follow chelsea but picked the wrong manager.At the end they try to blame the referee.If they win or draw the game they will shut their mouth.It’s really shit is’t it?

    • antimanu4life

      September 20, 2009 at 9:07 pm

      Wow!!! I’m pretty sure arsenal lost to man u..wasn’t that heartbreaking? So whats the celebration all about. It’s amazing how you guys think on here. If arsenal was the richest club what difference would it have made?

      • who!

        September 20, 2009 at 11:10 pm

        GUNNER LOVER > are you talking about ferguson?

  22. JoOz09

    September 20, 2009 at 7:15 pm

    I support MO7 comments. Despite the controversy, Man Utd deserved the win.
    They undeniably outplayed City . The best game I have seen in years, incredible football.

  23. forweg

    September 20, 2009 at 7:14 pm

    Big Four clubs win at the last minute every single week. What is so unusual or exciting about it?

  24. Puki Nyaman

    September 20, 2009 at 6:21 pm

    yes…mr Palir is right. City is really suck…..big and riches club….but still lost to utd. It’s really show that Hughes is not the right man for city even had many stolen stars which play football for money. I remember when they tried to add kaka to the squard but kaka refused to do so cos he knew they had non quality manager.Kah…kah…kah! Bravo Mr Mark hughes!!!!!

    • Huh

      September 20, 2009 at 8:30 pm

      Utd’s team still cost more u numpty

    • antimanu4life

      September 20, 2009 at 8:57 pm

      Isn’t it about who has more buying power in the world of today? I bet if you won the lottery you wouldn’t have given it to the poor. So lets be realistic and stop thinking like we have the brain the size of a peanut.

      • Huh

        September 20, 2009 at 10:19 pm

        My friend Utd have had more buying power than City for 40 yrs they spent absolute fortunes in the 80’s more than us by a million miles, but that not why they won anything though DOH.

  25. Scott

    September 20, 2009 at 5:25 pm

    Seriously some of you people need to sit back and look at this without either your City or United colored glasses on. First thing everyone needs a reminder on is when the time is announced it is a minimum amount of time. So when 4 minutes is put up, that means it could be anywhere from right at 4, up to close to 5 minutes extra. Then extra time can be added for other stoppages during stoppage time. Lets break it down just on goals and substitutions, I have written down the times when stoppages happened, and when play continued.

    48:21 – 49:08 United goal (2-1): add 45 seconds
    51:38 – 52:26 City goal (2-2): add 45 seconds
    61:06 – 61:40 United sub: add 30 seconds
    77:00 – 77:30 United sub: add 30 seconds
    80:00 – 80:51 United goal (3-2): add 45 seconds
    81:59 – 82:27 City sub add: add 30 seconds

    That is 3:45 in extra time added just between goals and subs, so 4 minutes seems perfectly legit when you add in any other stoppages like United time wasting when they went up 3-2. So now we get to the extra time added during stoppage time.

    89:55 – 90:52 City goal (3-3): add 1 minute
    92:21 – 92:50 United sub: add 30 seconds

    Right now we are up to at least 5:30 in stoppage time adding those in. Owen scores the goal right at 95:30. Where is the problem? After another minute of celebration and 10 seconds or so after City kicks off the whistle blows. If Owen had not scored the whistle should have gone right about then.

    Someone show me where I am wrong on these times and I will listen to your arguments about fixes being in. And before everyone gets on me about being a United supporter, I am a Hull City fan. And yes I know, we are going to get relegated this year.

    • forweg

      September 20, 2009 at 7:31 pm

      Yeah, makes sense… except that 95 percent of the time NO extra time is added on to the indicated amount despite substitutions etc. The officials choose when to actually enforce the rules and when not to.

      You’ve never seen a time-wasting substitution? Why would managers continue to make them if that time would just be added on anyway?

      • Scott

        September 20, 2009 at 8:00 pm

        Well then its up to the refs to be more consistent. But I don’t see how it was wrong for the ref to actually add the time on that was supposed to be. For the longest time I have been a believer that the refs never add enough stoppage time. Last year it seemed that almost every game there was 3 minutes added onto the end. If each team makes their 3 subs in the 2nd half at different times that is 3 minutes right there that should be added. That doesn’t include injuries or goals that should add more time. It seems this year there has been more, most have been at least 4 minutes of extra time. Hell, Chelsea got 6 minutes in the first game of the season against my Hull City team.

        And yes I see time wasting substitutions all the time. And all that time should be added on as far as I am concerned. Even if the time is always added on, managers will continue to do them anyways. It helps to kill the flow and slow things down. So either way they will continue to do it.

      • antimanu4life

        September 20, 2009 at 8:48 pm

        Couldn’t agree more.

        • Huh

          September 21, 2009 at 7:18 am


          I’m starting to think you are one sandwich short of a picnic! For a start totally unbiased to the SKY 4 match of the day timed the ball hitting back of the net to start to 56 seconds even you know this was not the case (go and time it again!) meaning that the ref played at the very least 12 seconds over, you may say what’s 12 seconds, but do remember it only takes 1 second to score and it did! They made the subs not us were they wasting time? because we didn’t! Most of the media do not agree with MOTD, (who indecently even with there wrong timing on the Bellamy goal still got the time OUTSIDE the period!) You or 365, here are some quotes from a former ref Graham Poll, no doubt there are many more from others.

          “In my after dinner speech I often tell how I got the ‘hairdryer’ from Sir Alex Ferguson on one of my first visits to Old Trafford for not knowing one of the rules of football; at the home of Manchester United you play until they win!”

          “The Owen winning goal was timed at 95.28 and so I could fully understand the City boss’s frustration.” According to MOTD 95.27

          “Laws of the game are specific in saying that “the allowance for time lost is at the discretion of the referee” and so Atkinson cannot be faulted technically for finding an extra three minutes in addition to the four minutes he allowed at the end of the second half.”

          Add this to his first quote they have licence to do what they think won’t get them in any bother with one of the most respected men in the football world (powers a wonderful thing isn’t it! Maybe ya will only be refin in the lower divisions next season eh) this is clearly allowed to happen but the F.A. will tell you that this doesn’t happen, but has been a recurring theme at this ground! Go figure that one out!

          ‘As for your comment about the Wigan v Man United game, anytime a game gets that out of hand, the refs will usually blow the whistle with no stoppage time. That game being no exception.’

          What the hell are you talking about the Wigan game got out of hand how? If Wigan score this is one less to there goal difference which possibly the difference in which division they play in next year and millions in lost revenue! your point is totally mute. Did the other god knows how many prem games ‘get out of hand’ as well this season? because your math do not work on them either and that’s with only looking at 3.Have a look at any old 1 or 2 nil if you like. I’ll say again why is this? Because that yesterday simply does not usually happen at all!!!

          ‘Now the point of the extra time not being added on before, that is right it hasn’t been. This season though that seems to be changing. I think the refs have been given a directive to actually add the time they should be. Anyone else noticing a lot more stoppage time in games this year?’

          ‘IT SEEMS TO BE CHANGING’ what for this game! As I said before this has not happened before. So by this statement you obviously think the F.A. gave a new directive before the game do you? Its not more stoppage time that was the problem it the stoppage time upon stoppage time! I will repeat for hopefully the last time that this SIMPLY DOES NOT HAPPEN it was practically doubled for gods sake!!. Your still wrong! and there is NO getting away from this.

          I am personally not to bothered about losing the game we put a excellent account of ourselves from beginning to end. Luck played apart massive part in the winning of this game and it certainly wasn’t with City i.e. free kick for Utd’s seconded was clearly not, and the stoppage time rubbish. The only problem for me is the Gracelessness of people on here just copying old Fergie I suppose as he said it could have been 6-7 nil for Utd. Maybe you see where people like Tyson e.t.c. on here get it from arrogance to the extreme!. As I live in Manchester the local Reds said phew that was close and they knew that they had the rub of the green in this game.

          • Scott

            September 21, 2009 at 8:45 pm

            Maybe you should check out Graham Polls latest article. Here is a direct quote: Having watched a complete re-run of Sunday’s Manchester derby, I have to conclude that Martin Atkinson was absolutely correct and highly credible in his time-keeping.


            MOTD said there was 1 extra second, which would be about the time the ball was leaving Owens foot. You know as well as I do the ref would never blow the final whistle while a clear cut chance is taking place.

            As for the United-Wigan game, it was out of hand at 5-0. The ref blew the final whistle a few seconds after the 90 minutes was up. Most of the time in a game like that everyone just wants it over, so no one minds playing no stoppage time.

            To be honest though, I don’t know why I am bothering to argue this anymore. Nothing I say will change your mind, and vice-verse.

    • The Gaffer

      September 20, 2009 at 7:54 pm

      Scott, I did the same thing and measured the times — and you’re exactly correct.

      My biggest criticism is of Fergie and Wiley joking on the touchline after Owen scored. I thought that was completely unfair and showed bias against City.

      The Gaffer

      • Scott

        September 20, 2009 at 8:02 pm

        I fully agree with you there on the joking around. That really made it look bad.

        • Huh

          September 20, 2009 at 8:29 pm

          Well boys do the same sums in the rest of the matches that are available and this simply won’t add up. Even though by all your great maths, it should but it NEVER HAPPENS LIKE THIS. It’s just a good excuse for it happening that’s all but even then in this case the maths are still wrong it doesn’t take 45 second every time a goal is scored for a start or 30 secs for a sub!

          • Scott

            September 20, 2009 at 8:44 pm

            Look at the times, yes it did. In my original post I showed you the times on the clock either right as a goal was scored, or the whistle went for a substitution. The next time is when the whistle went for play to resume. The Gaffer looked at the times and agreed with my times. Show me I am wrong if you are so sure.

          • Kartik Krishnaiyer

            September 20, 2009 at 8:55 pm

            Typically you see match officials not extend stoppage time to dramatically for a substitution in stoppage time. Bellamy’s goal certainly should have added :40 or so, but the sub and the alleged time wasting against Given should have at most added :20-:30, and in some cases nothing.

          • Huh

            September 20, 2009 at 10:05 pm

            I’ll show you your wrong then, go and take any other prem game that’s happened so far and do your crazy sums on it. They wont work out my friend, because this simply doesn’t happen!! Also why in your sums does it take exactly 30 seconds for every sub and 45 seconds for every goal were the players timing their celebrations and substitutions? do you see how dodgy what ur saying looks or will you just ignore this? Try your system on Wigan 0 Man Utd 5 (all goal second half) this comes to 3:45 add the six subs that also happened in the second half that’s 6:45 there were also 4 bookings in this game and god know how many stoppages for injuries but for arguments sake 6:45 will do, this didn’t happen are u getting it now? IT JUST DOSEN’T HAPPEN or was this game different for some reason? and making excuses for it is total rubbish!!! What happened happened and it was not right however you try to excuse it. Watch a the next ten prem games and see how much they add on after the allotted extra time has gone max 15- 20 seconds always whatever happens!! (unless serous injury). I don’ care who agrees with you, wrong is wrong and u are you wrong!

          • Scott

            September 21, 2009 at 12:29 am

            Apparently you are not very good at math Mr Huh. My times do not add up to exactly 30 or 45 seconds each time. One was 48 seconds, another 51, so I was rounding down to 45 to make it easier. You can whine about it all you want, you can claim it never happens in the past all you want, the fact of the matter is the times I posted show there was no problems with the amount of time added on. Match of the Day in England showing the highlights said it was right. A story on Football 365 agreed with the amount of time. The fact of the matter is you can’t refute my times. As for your comment about the Wigan v Man United game, anytime a game gets that out of hand, the refs will usually blow the whistle with no stoppage time. That game being no exception.

            Now the point of the extra time not being added on before, that is right it hasn’t been. This season though that seems to be changing. I think the refs have been given a directive to actually add the time they should be. Anyone else noticing a lot more stoppage time in games this year?

    • John

      September 21, 2009 at 8:05 am

      Because you are being too literal – It doesn’t happen in most games. Generally 4 minutes means 4 minutes plus a few more seconds if the ref can be bothered that is. Old trafford – Big stage -Man U pushing for a winner, referee suddenly becomes all pedantic like you are and this is what you get. It happened in 1993 when they got as much time as they needed to beat Sheffield Wednesday.

      • CFTV

        September 21, 2009 at 9:44 am

        Here is video of the goals in which Steve Bruce stole a game from the Owls with 2 late headers in 6 minutes of extra time from the 92/93 season:

        Loved the line where the commentator at the 55th second said It’s 1 nothing Sheffield Wednesday side beaten only 2 times in their last 25 games are in the lead against the pretenders for the Premier League title …..not a flicker.

        United had a 1 point lead at that point and that game was the 2nd game of a 7 game streak of W’s where they ended up winning their first league title in 26 years on 10 points over Villa who faltered down the stretch of the season losing their last 3 games in a row at the end of the season.

  26. Kishore

    September 20, 2009 at 5:15 pm

    sounds like sour grapes to me !!!…nobody talks bout this wen arsenal or chelsea get extra minutes week in week out…..but for all the goading by city…tht was a smack in the face….reality check guys…you’re way below utd…forget the score….the fact tht utd bossed city itself shows the difference in class….utd don’t need no arabic sugar daddy

    • Huh

      September 20, 2009 at 8:17 pm

      Your team is well known for getting the extra mins and dodgy decisions happening on a regular basis (if they were to even themselves out like they say you’ll be relegated) but this will do no good for you this year. Every one gets extra time but usually just what it says on the board maybe 10-20 seconds more it doesn’t mater if someone is subbed, injured or have scored usually it makes no difference but today it did! And the reasons for it are covered (well nearly) great how handy!

      Utd are a very hard working team with the best defence in the league (even though 3 went past today) and decent forward line (Rooney) but the midfield is none to clever all effort and not to much skill. Lets not forget you were at home today against a team that in the majority has played a hand full of games together with key players missing and a forward who should not of played (Tevez,) and with the obligatory dodgy decisions you won, but when idiots say it could have been more this is laughable how? 8 shots 4 goals 2 straight a Givern (he doesn’t have to move) they could have been 2 foot either side he still would have made the saves comfortably, 1 great save from a header and average stop with his feet from Giggs by the same rule Foster makes a great save from SWP’s shot and another inch on Tevez’s shot is in instead of against the post, or what about Richards being 3 foot outside of goal an doesn’t connect by a mere inch? If he does its in.

      We will see who way below who we they come to CoMS. I don’t think it will be anywhere near as close if you treat it as a knock out and ya going out. We won’t get any dodgy decisions (as usual against Utd). But we’ll win
      By the way Mr Plump your sugar daddyies have been there for years and years SKY TV and UEFA giving you piles and piles of money that we don’t get near!!! Why do you think you have been buying 20-30 million pound players for years and years, bank loans? or selling pies?

  27. eplnfl

    September 20, 2009 at 5:05 pm

    Yes an instant classic. One we will be talking about for years to come.

    Does it show the Prem to be the best in the world. I wish I could say it but later in the day we saw the Spurs get shut out 3-0. Ok, we may have a big 5 now but 5 teams do not make the league. I am not a Chelsea fanatic by any means but no team in the league has shown me that they can stop them. So, while the Prem is my favorite league the lack of quality from top to bottom makes one say how can we get at least one game each week like that we had today in Manchester.

  28. Chris from Texas

    September 20, 2009 at 4:52 pm

    I’m not a fan of either team, but I felt the ending kept it from being an amazing game. United were the better team and pushed them hard until the end, but the last goal was a sham.

    Many people have talked about the officials assisting Manchester United at home and after this game it isn’t a surprise. The foul that led to Fletcher’s second header was a horrible call as well. The defender knocked the ball away and was then knocked into. It simply wasn’t a foul.

    It may be one thing for an official to miss a call, but for the officials to extend an absurd amount of time is just disgraceful. They wanted it to end in a win and it was obvious.

    I have always said that if a team wants to win at Old Trafford then one of two things must happen:

    1. You have to play 10% better, because they will receive advantages that you won’t. Example: Vidic can elbow a player on your team in the throat and he won’t get called, but it isn’t a two way street.

    2. Manchester United have to play badly, which is hard for a team that talented to do.

    A classic has to be an amazing game with a great ending. The great ending would have been Manchester City’s last goal, not Michael Owen’s.

  29. John Cookson

    September 20, 2009 at 4:19 pm

    Man Utd should have won this match by a larger score differential.

    Their second half domination was very significant.

    • Huh

      September 20, 2009 at 4:39 pm

      Of course they should! Every shot should have been given as a goal and they should have had two penalties and City’s goals should have been disallowed. Look a fergie talking bollocks after the match should have had 6?. No wonder Utd fans are mainly arrogant and obnoxious pricks!

      • antimanu4life

        September 20, 2009 at 9:41 pm

        lol lol..I agree

  30. Palir

    September 20, 2009 at 3:17 pm

    Hahaha…poor city.don’t blame the referee but do blame the team espically non quality manager.I blive if city hire top manager like jose not just utd they can win,bacelona or real they can suck them all.Now city is like big car but with a small tyres.It’s really not balance.

  31. Evan

    September 20, 2009 at 2:48 pm

    Man Utd should not have won! what the f*ck is up with these refs? Man City got cheated. Man City will win next time.

  32. Andrew USA

    September 20, 2009 at 2:17 pm

    Most basketball games here have more drama and excitement than this. But i guess if you like penalty area ping pong, and zero tactics, you can say the EPL is the best soccer league in europe, sure.

    • Huh

      September 20, 2009 at 4:30 pm


      • Ian M

        September 21, 2009 at 7:38 am


        A follower of Basketball saying that Football is “penalty area ping-pong”

        ha ha

        Oh the irony

  33. MTH

    September 20, 2009 at 1:49 pm

    Rob we gave you a few pressies and still won.

  34. Fletch Spigner

    September 20, 2009 at 1:18 pm

    The biggest irony for me was that City have spent millions upon millions and they were beaten by a striker acquired for next to nothing! Sir Alex sure made a good decision on that one!

    • Huh

      September 20, 2009 at 4:16 pm

      And yet there team still cost less than Utd’s!

  35. bari

    September 20, 2009 at 12:57 pm

    todays game was nothing short of a fraud. 7 added minutes for no apparent reason spoilt the taste of one of the best derbys ever played. The FA has to put an end to all ref decisions like these. if it means scrapping the last goal and declaring the game a 3-3 draw. otherwise hand the trophy to man-u today. can the small teams ever expect to win on a flat playing field?

  36. Hussain

    September 20, 2009 at 12:39 pm

    It was outstanding match! Flatcher scored twice and I don’t remember seein him score :)) Owen is now like a movie star:)) Hail the “used to be a class player”

  37. Panda

    September 20, 2009 at 12:33 pm

    Thank you FSC for revealing the score at the top of the Chelsea/Tottenham broadcast…so much for DVRing the match.

  38. Pierre Breban

    September 20, 2009 at 12:18 pm

    United deserved to win for their second half performance but not by yet another ref ‘giving them the points’. Might as well give United the Premier league trophy now because refs give them 10 points a season

    • Huh

      September 20, 2009 at 4:13 pm

      Utd had the first 10-15 mins of the first half City were on top for the reminder. Utd were much better in the second but could not stop us scoring twice lets not forget who was at home and yet still needed a bit of help to stop a draw! but believe me Chelsea get the same dodgy favours as Utd and I can see them annihilating Utd and the other sky 3 both home and away maybe seting some new records on the way. Doesn’t look like there’s anyone to touch them this year.

  39. What?

    September 20, 2009 at 12:14 pm

    I keep on readingthe word mistake. If no one ever made mistakes there would be no such things as goals. If a goalie never made a mistake no ball would ever go in. So stop finding excuses. To say that the epl is the best in the world because of a game without defence is even more ridiculous. I’m not a big fan of chelseA but they were the only ones that should quality in the CL. Manu were lucky against Porto and barcelona totally destroyed Manu.

  40. brn442

    September 20, 2009 at 12:12 pm

    Yes, Sir Alex having a laugh with the 4th official was not endearing to Man city nor neutral fans. Shades of time management issues in that infamous Sheffield Wed/Man United match 15 years ago. I agree with the Gaffer – excellent match but didn’t feel like a classic (the stakes weren’t high enough – yet.) Bellamy proves once again, when he stays out of jail, he can be one of the deadliest finishers in the game.

  41. MO7

    September 20, 2009 at 12:06 pm

    You City fans are mongs of the highest order. The fourth official indicated a MINIMUM of 4 added minutes, followed by Bellamy’s goal. Play was then restarted about a minute and a half later, and the substitution of Carrick for Anderson took off another 30 seconds. All this in addition to Given’s blatant time-wasting.

  42. sikandar

    September 20, 2009 at 11:56 am

    A great describe, a controversial match surely,

    Are games rigged..? surely there is smoke and where there is smoke there is fire. man city was pathetic.. hopeless and lame, they should play in the second division, man utd were over confident but then champions are they have every right too.

    Its interesting that commentators know just when to hush up, when especially there is something fishy going on..any explanation.

    My guess is the ref had some money on the game..or perhaps he did not have a watch ..better still lets give him the benefit of doubt..he was baised.. but is this soccer…was he playing for a golden goal.

    Man city should try the coco cola cup or something like that, man utd better get their act together or they might just go bankrupt trying to bribe every official and television station and journalist they can find.

    Kudos to Rooney and Giggs they are def the kings of trafford..awesome job.

  43. Tom Hingley

    September 20, 2009 at 11:56 am

    The Wolves match was the true classic.

  44. Brian Chicago

    September 20, 2009 at 11:49 am

    Fantastic match! Action packed, great saves, and Ryan Giggs truely in top form. Definite tip of the cap to City for hanging tough with so little possession but you have to play to the whistle!

  45. Ryan

    September 20, 2009 at 11:34 am

    I’m massively disappointed, not really angry. The added time controversy is ridiculous, but that is the kind of treatment you must expect at Old Trafford. I hope the anger over the ending doesn’t gloss over some of the glaring defensive mistakes Mark Hughes needs to address.

    • Tyson

      September 20, 2009 at 11:47 am

      If you are referring to the Rooney goal I don’t think you can really put much blame on your defending.

      I mean the man went over two sets of feet it’s a miracle he stayed up and he took that shot pretty quickly too.

      Your goalie especially was a complete godsend how he stopped some of those shots is a complete mystery.

      I’d say your midfield and striking was the problem as you didn’t do very well in possession when the ball was being actively pursued by United.

      • Ryan

        September 20, 2009 at 1:58 pm

        The Rooney goal caught us sleeping, the marking on some crosses and off that free kick was not good.

        • Huh

          September 20, 2009 at 3:54 pm

          The Rooney goal was bad defending, Richards had to go to challenge for the ball leaving Toure to pick up Rooney but he did not. Tyson is just a nob who hasn’t the slightest idea of how football works. Look through some of his posts there hilarious with long list of people telling him he’s a retard but he still thinks knows something . he makes shit up most of the time even when its blatantly made up.

  46. Tyson

    September 20, 2009 at 11:04 am

    lmfao damn the City fans are furious.. god this is going to be so much fun.

  47. John

    September 20, 2009 at 10:54 am

    Its at old trafford what do you expect, if they have a chance to win they will give 100 minutes of added time if possible. also dont bother asking for a penalty you wont get it.

  48. Tyson

    September 20, 2009 at 10:50 am

    LOL… That was my first impression.

    Looks like those sandworms will have to pour more money into this pit.

    It wasn’t a good result for United overall though.

    If you strip away the score for a minute and just focus on the goals United gave up there were serious mistakes made there.

    Ben Fosters mistake was ludicrous I mean seriously? I can’t wait till we get Van Der Sar back.

    On the other hand Rio had a pretty decent game but he didn’t seem to have the pace to shut down Bellamy’s first goal and the second goal from Bellamy was an obvious mistake by Rio Ferdinand. Having said that though Rio has been injured and only played twice this season so you can’t really expect him to keep pace just yet. In fact I am surprised he was allowed to play the full 90 minutes this early on.

    Either way though the 3 goals United gave up were just mistakes. The first and third goal especially were just completely unjustified mistakes no excuse whatsoever.

    United should have won 4-1 or 4-0.

    • Huh

      September 20, 2009 at 3:41 pm

      Let see how many you win by a ours you no nothing muppet it should be 3 or 4 then eh? Two key players out your at home and ya still needed the dodgy ref treatment to win!

      • Kartik Krishnaiyer

        September 20, 2009 at 3:51 pm

        More than two. No one seems to recall Vincent Kompany who wouldn’t have been nearly as flat footed as Micah Richards most of the day. Komapny would not have been beaten as often as Richards was. SWP was constantly having to cover the ground Richards vacated throughout the second half.

        Still, credit to United. They kept fighting until the final whistle, albeit a late whistle. Darren Fletcher is establishing himself as a legitimate threat that may help Scotland finally qualify for another major tournament.

        I am proud that City fans, while disappointed by the result, which was perhaps unjust, have been on better behavior at least as far as message boards and blogs go than the Arsenal fans have been over each of the last two weekends. Let the Arsenal fans whine, cry and ask for suspensions. We’ll just keep playing football and improving.

        • Huh

          September 20, 2009 at 4:26 pm

          On the behaviour front a coin was thrown at and hit a City player in the head and one of there fans ran on the pitch to have a go at Bellamy lets see how the non-bias press see this, something tells me there lifting that carpet already!

          • Kartik Krishnaiyer

            September 20, 2009 at 8:52 pm

            And now the FA is investigating Bellamy? Just like Ade. The witch hunt by the FA against City to appease the fans of debt laden clubs knows no bounds……….

      • MC??

        September 21, 2009 at 8:15 am

        U’ve got 7 strikers so y crying.Also dont forget 1 of ur key player our bcoz his own attitude.

        • Huh

          September 22, 2009 at 5:17 pm

          7 strikers? I think people on here read to much crap by the press

  49. rob

    September 20, 2009 at 10:47 am

    MTH – “united were all over city for 96 minutes. LOL ”

    and you still conceded three, LOL

    it was a great game but we feel incredibly cheated. 4 minutes was an absolute joke to begin with and then to allow 5/6 is a daylight robbery! can’t say i’ve never seen this kind of thing before though and alan wiley has some explaining to do

    • Tyson

      September 20, 2009 at 11:03 am

      Thats a pretty shallow victory the first goal was a defensive mistake on Fosters behalf and the second and third goal were defensive mistakes on Ferdinands behalf.

      Those were gifted goals if there weren’t any mistakes made by one second rate inexperienced goalie and one defender just back from injury it would have been 4-1 or 4-0.

      • Huh

        September 20, 2009 at 3:32 pm

        Still an idiot I see. So it wasn’t a mistake that Toure didn’t pick up Rooney after a quick throw etc. Dick

      • antimanu4life

        September 20, 2009 at 9:28 pm

        Ok.. can’t Man City say the same?? What was so brilliant about the goals scored by man u that they couldn’t have been prevented?

  50. CTID

    September 20, 2009 at 10:44 am

    im am fuming 7 mins of added time me. where did that come from? typical united seems the ref was paid well.

    • Huh

      September 20, 2009 at 3:28 pm

      This happens with the sky 4 they have this advantage, they shouldn’t but they do. It’s a shame that this is now accepted because it wasn’t before the big money came about.

  51. olivert

    September 20, 2009 at 10:43 am

    Unless you are a City supporter, this match was a classic. What drama. What entertainment.

    I have this one on DVD. It is a keeper.

    • Huh

      September 20, 2009 at 3:23 pm

      It’s was a classic if you are a city fan a good game all round. Shame about the dodgy added on mins though! Don’t think it will be this close at CoMS.

  52. hate manc

    September 20, 2009 at 10:43 am


    • antimanu4life

      September 20, 2009 at 9:19 pm

      Man City wouldn’t mind loosing to one of the so called top 4, providing they came in as the underdogs..but loosing to Burnley couldn’t be more embarrassing. Man U players were outplayed like a bunch of skirts!!!

  53. mc101

    September 20, 2009 at 10:42 am

    ref doesnt know the difference between 4 and 6? shoulda been a draw great game

  54. Team Speed

    September 20, 2009 at 10:41 am

    Hardly a classic when it has a bullshit ending. I’m furious.

    • Huh

      September 20, 2009 at 4:18 pm

      Everyone must surley be used to this by now it happens all the time

  55. MTH

    September 20, 2009 at 10:40 am

    united were all over city for 96 minutes. LOL

    • Huh

      September 20, 2009 at 4:17 pm


    • antimanu4life

      September 20, 2009 at 9:09 pm

      peanut brain comment

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