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England vs USA: Why Americans Hate English Football Supporters


Later this evening, the United States will play England at Wembley (8pm BST/BBC1) in a friendly match between two countries who have a love-hate relationship with each other. But in this war, the battle is waged off the pitch rather than on it.

On the pitch, the competition between the two sides is waged fairly. The American players who play in the Premier League will have more of a desire to win the match so they can rub it into the faces of their English compatriots. The English players will have a lot to prove to new manager Fabio Capello, so overall the match should be entertaining to watch as long as it remains competitive. Most importantly, it’ll be played in a clean manner.

Off the pitch, it’s a different story. Being an American who lived in Britain for 14 years, I’ve experienced the complicated love-hate relationship between both countries. There are so many Anglophiles who live in the United States and love the English way of life (the football, the beer, the fish and chips, music, TV shows, movies and royalty). And there are many Brits who love the American way of life (the TV shows, movies, rap artists, fashion, fast food and gadgets such as Apple’s iPod).

But right in the middle of all of this is also a relationship of hate, which isn’t felt by everyone but definitely exists. It’s part politics and part football. And, without a doubt, it’s more fierce off the pitch than on it.

Politically speaking, George Bush’s shock and awe policy in Iraq has generated a lot of negativity among people around the world which is aimed at the United States. Of course, Britain was America’s biggest ally in the war against Saddam Hussein, so it shouldn’t feel exonerated. But the war has created a bitter taste in the mouths of so many people worldwide.

Part of that anti-Americanism has spilled over into football and specifically the Internet — whether it’s message boards, blog comments or articles by renowned journalists (Martin Samuel from The Times has been a prime target for U.S. fans because Samuel often harshly criticises U.S. football; It’s this feeling of general press bias that upsets many Americans). Some of the friction between football fans in the U.S. and U.K. has been downright venomous.

The battle off the pitch between U.S. and English football fans comes down to pride. English journalists, pundits and soccer fans have, for too long, looked down their noses at U.S. football whether it’s been the national squad or Major League Soccer. It’s an easy target for the Brits who make jokes about the “Mickey Mouse League” and tease Americans for inventing the word soccer to label the sport we love, when most of us intelligent people know that the term originated from England not the United States.

A lot of friction from Americans is because they’re sick and tired of their national team and clubs being made a joke. They feel that their country and its football teams should be respected more than they currently are, and that many of their football supporters are very well educated about the sport and not all of them fall into the trap of being stereotypical American males who are macho, dumb and eat and breathe the mindnumbingly boring NFL.

Many Americans feel that Brits are jealous of them and their way of life, that Brits are ignorant about the level of football in America and that Brits perceive themselves to be superior to Americans.

Of course, most of this is true. Whether Brits choose to admit it or not, the fact is that most people in the UK consume an American culture. Whether it’s the American TV shows on British television, the fast food culture of pizza and hamburgers, the American music you listen to on Radio 1 or and the American-influenced fashion that you wear, the British culture is morphing into the United States of England every day.

This hypocrisy is what infuriates many Americans. Brits consume American culture and respect it, but Brits don’t give football played by Americans the respect it deserves.

Thus sets the stage for the England against USA friendly scheduled for this evening. If you see the Americans playing with a style of zest and verve that is uncommon in friendly matches, now you know why. And if the U.S. can pull off a shock and beat England, expect to see a tirade of “I told you so” from Americans across the Internet in the days and weeks to come. This is something that American players and fans would love more than anything: To earn and receive the respect that they deserve.

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  1. German

    July 14, 2018 at 5:37 pm

    America is a continent, not a country. America comprises 35 countries, from Canada to Argentina. Using the demonym “American” to refer to US citizens is like intending that everyone thinks you’re speaking about Italians when you say “Europeans”. The first time the name “America” appeared on a map, it was printed over Brazil. South America and North America make up America, same as South Atlantic and North Atlantic are subdivisions of the Atlantic Ocean.

  2. Carl

    October 28, 2012 at 8:23 pm

    English Football is the biggest sport in the world!!! There are reasons for this…. Sorry ‘Gaffer’, but the Brits are not jealous, don’t you think it’s the exact opposite??

  3. redskin

    July 6, 2012 at 6:54 pm

    John Leclair

    stinking island?

    This royal throne of kings, This sceptred isle,
    This earth of majesty, this seat of mars,
    This other eden, demi-paradise,
    this fortress built for herself
    Against infection and the hand of war,
    This happy breed of men, this little world,
    This precious stone set in the silver sea,
    Which serves it in the office of a wall
    Or as a moat defensive to a house,
    Against the envy of less happier lands,
    This blessed plot, this earth, this realm, this England.
    William shakspeare.

    John, you must be a sad and bitter man,i hope you get better soon.
    John, you must be a verry sad, and bitter man.

  4. John Leclair

    July 6, 2012 at 3:33 pm

    All I know is that the USNT is evolving, the game is growing exponentially here in the US. As American’s we should aspire our team to play nothing like that as of the English team. English team play’s anti football in a rugby-esque league for under skilled players. Dinosaur English football with over hyped and over paid players. Their style of play is set, ours isn’t.

    The MLS started just 15 years ago. Mark it down in the next decade we will surpass England in the sport. Not talking domestic leagues but NTs. The Sport is growing exponentially in this country with 315M American’s and growing as fast as any native UK person wants to hop off that stinking island.

  5. Jm

    June 26, 2010 at 12:53 pm

    I was just briefly looking on to this a few minutes ago, and I find the stereotypes and hate speech between our two countries frankly quite appalling. Thank you for the many people who occasionally inject some common sense into this discussion.

    Someone said earlier that the English should nurture the Americans in there pursuit of football excellence. Hopefully we can look past our stereotypes for a second and imagine this.

  6. Jon O

    June 14, 2010 at 6:38 am


    There were many ancient games played with ball and foot, I wasn’t disputing your ignorance when it came to having read a snippet and jumped to a major conclusion about games ‘like’ football played in ancient times. Nor even that FIFA may or not have decided to assign a country of origin.

    The fact is football as you see it today found its roots and is credited to England and the United Kingdom. The rules, the man count, the substitutions, the referees, and the structure of the leagues. The modern game was made what it is by England. S’always evolving, but pretty much everyone knows where the home of football is. Old Wembley was the one place every football player in the world wanted to play.

    Every major American sport can find its origin in British games such as rugby and cricket. The British don’t lay claim to American sports though do they? Nope. Because the games have evolved to become something else entirely. Same with football and its English origins.

    I was applauding your ignorance of my country, and my people. You’ve clearly never been farther than your own back yard, and shouldn’t have a bad word to say about your neighbouring State let alone a country thousands of miles away. Educated by television and Wikipedia, and your interaction with what you have no idea could be eight year-olds talking smack on forums and chat rooms, no doubt.

    OnT: For the Group game on Saturday between England and USA – I think we saw the two teams who’re going to go through.

    Also, my girlfriend is German… it’s news to me that she and everybody else hates me for being British. =P

  7. calmdown

    June 14, 2010 at 2:46 am

    Jesus wept, some of you guys need to get a girlfriend and stop ranting so much on the internet

    Fact of the matter is In Britain our team is not the best, but quite good- however the amount of attention focused on the sport is incredible,and IMO over the top- it’s rammed down our throats so much that it would be such an embarrassment to get defeated by a country who’s population is widely regarded as hating the sport that’s why the fans are passionate and sometimes arrogant

    Another fact is that American teams are clearly without a doubt progressing onwards, England and any other countries watching the 1-1 draw could see the improvements from the US side and that surprised alot of people/ That was definately a talking point

    There is d^^ckheads all over the world, popping up at random and sure, there will be ignorant people from both sides of the pond just check out Stimpson in the red corner repping US and liam in the blue repping the UK
    at the end of the day it’s just a country that you’re parents happened to have brought a bed in and used it well,

    By leaving ignorant comments towards one country only fuels hate, and confirms stereotypes- look at how France views these countries now- just cause of the constant abuse we give them on the bandwagon

    at least on or the other is not wearing turbans and shooting each other,

  8. sts

    June 14, 2010 at 12:32 am

    f_uck uk. uk sucks. you can see that from the fact how many dumb brits leave uk every month.

    u.s. hates u.k., germans hate u.k., french hate u.k. and the rest of the world hates the u.k. that’s the new fact. read around you arrogant, ignorant, pathetic, uneducated and hypocritical british losers.

    • The World Hates USA

      June 14, 2010 at 2:19 pm

      As I from France living in London for an extended period of time before I return back home I have never experienced any hate from English towards me for being French and I have never heard any hate towards the English in my home country apart from the friendly rivalry in football whether it is international or club football but that is just friendly rivalry and not hate.
      I do find a lot over the world of places I have been that alot of countrys who have met Americans always have the same to say and that is they are rude, ignorant, greedy and very dislikeable people to meet or to be around. The stupid American tourists that I met back in Marseille and Paris have a lot of disregard for other countrys and this is why I have met all over the world people hating Americans.
      English football team I not wish you luck haha but I hope you finish above the stupid Americans.

  9. europeansaredumb

    June 14, 2010 at 12:25 am

    jon o, check the fifa site you moron… they did credit china with inventing soccer. it’s just like everything else that stupid europeans claim they invented when they stole all from others. so you get your facts straight you euro-trash.

  10. Jon O

    June 13, 2010 at 8:01 pm

    Stimpson, screwuk… I applaud your ignorance. *clap clap*

  11. screwuk

    June 13, 2010 at 7:42 pm

    soccer was not invented by brits. fifa ruled a few years ago that it was invented in china. the last stone of the british empire fell. that’s why brits are bitter and such pathetic losers. down with uk.

    • QPR Man

      January 2, 2011 at 9:01 pm


      upset are we…but why after all you have the world champion baseball teams, what a joke.

  12. Stimpson

    June 12, 2010 at 4:05 pm

    Let’s face it, soccer is so popular in the world because it’s a third world sport. It’s cheap, all you need is something to kick, and there you have it. US is a new country. We didn’t go throw the times of living in grass huts and eating dirt sandwiches. At the very beginning the simplistics of soccer was doomed here.

  13. Jack

    June 11, 2010 at 5:34 pm

    I think USA thinks they need to be good at every thing.I don’t want the mls to be the best league in years time.because football to us is life mostly the whole of uk supports a team we have thousends of clubs from villiages to’s our culture, beer, fish and chips a football match a week, makes my day seeing my club play at wembley I was more nervous at that match than doing my exams that’s how much I love football(not soccer) and about England yes we have won one world cup (USA nil) but we have reached the quarter final nearly evey time.and that’s is alright but USA you don’t have to be good at every thing do you so leave football to the loyal fans us English.

  14. Jon O

    June 10, 2010 at 8:26 am

    lol… is this classed as necro-posting? Reviving an article from it’s long forgotten grave. I think the level of ignorance shown in most of the comments here is hilarious. Everybody has an opinion, whether well informed or not.

    Me thinks in future more than most should probably look at the screen for a few minutes before posting, maybe re-read the article a couple of more times, assess their knowledge of the different cultures and people, disregard football for a few minutes, then include football – add it all up, and realise you probably don’t know enough to comment. Shrug, and leave it. Perhaps with a nagging sensation to learn more, so that in future you can comment.

    Just IMO, though.

    Recent events. I was disappointed to see England and the USA sharing a group for 2010 to be honest. I’d like to see both teams do well. But… good luck in the World Cup goes to my American cousins. You’ll need it! But don’t hog it, because it’s the one thing England have been missing for quite some time. We’ve got the belief, certainly got the skill, but never had much luck. 🙁

  15. jon

    June 9, 2010 at 1:25 pm

    England…. is time to go to school on Saturday. USA will teach you real skills.

    • QPR Man

      January 2, 2011 at 8:45 pm


      If your going to teach the English something please do not referance the US Education system…it sucks worse than MLS.

  16. Skill4Ever

    June 2, 2010 at 9:35 pm

    Yet again, in the USA . in a USA Game, we all had to put up with very crude British accent and all their Propaganda and non-stop brainwashing, even thou the brits had nothing at all do with anything in this game, we are forced to hear the following crap in everygame: Liverpool, Stoke, Liverpool, Chelsea, United, blag blag blag, how arrogant of the British morons to keep trying to brainwash the whole US soccer fans with crap., Its all very sick!

    We must Boycott ESPN like they are Boycotting American commentators!
    What a SHAME that the very biased and Crude British/Australian 100% run FUX Network, The FUX Soccer Channel, and all Soccer on ESPN (English Soccer Propaganda Network).

    ESPN has laid-off all their American commentator for the World Cup in June 2010 in South Africa and REPLACED them ALL with the very Crude SCABS from the UK.
    I guess we will have to watch all the games on univision.
    (Its high Time to BOYCOTT ESPN).

    Think about it, USA will be playing in the World Cup and all the media JOB Opportunities have been given to the dead last in football, the British.

    With all the Daily British Brainwashing Crap (BBC) and all their daily British Propaganda on SKY, FUX Soccer, Yahoo and ESPN: SO just how long ago did England win anything, well over 44 years ago in 1966, but even in 1966, it was a very disputed world cup, lots of cheating with refs for England and even in the Final, England got a goal which NEVER cross the goal line.

    Here is the list of Championships ENGLAND has NEVER EVER, let me repeat,

    European Nations Championships.
    FIFA Confederations Cup.
    FIFA U-20 World Cup,
    FIFA U-19 World Cup,
    FIFA U-17 World Cup,
    Olympics Football,
    FIFA Beach Soccer World Cup.
    Futsal World Cup.

    I could go on, but you get the point.
    WOW all the daily propaganda and nothing to show for it for over 44 years.

    PS: Again the only time England has ever played the USA in the world Cup. USA WON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Just so no one forgets, In the World Cup, USA has a 100% winning record against England. YES 100%.
    Can’t get better then that. And even if England get lucky against the US, the record will still be 1-1. LOL!
    I rest my Case.

    • liam

      June 4, 2010 at 6:04 pm

      your a mug spain is world class but never won a world cup same as holland weve gone out on penaltys a lot just 1 of those thing anyway this site is sh$t so are clueless toxic waste of life american fans

  17. Ludichris

    February 15, 2010 at 10:04 am

    @ John Smith

    lol your had is so far up your own ass you obviously love sniffing your own sh*t. Its the small minority of people like you in this country that make us look bad with your f**ked up stereotypes. Same with the Brits as well.

    • Rich

      June 2, 2010 at 11:01 pm

      WOW! What are you trying to say? What does that mean?
      “lol your had is so far up your own ass you obviously love sniffing your own sh*t.” Read your own post, it makes no sence.
      What is clear that its you, who make us look really BAD!
      It seems you are very attached to the following words:
      “far up your own ass”
      “obviously love sniffing your own sh*t.”
      “f**ked up”.
      WOW! Very gay. Looks like you have real issues with coming out, most likely you must be an fluff Anglophile. So you see it’s the small minority of people like you in this country that make us look bad!

      • WalesRealBritain

        December 26, 2010 at 10:23 pm

        So you basically hate the English?
        Why not focus on another European or American league instead of one that is in England and don`t bother joining in EPL discussions so you don`t have to interact with the English if you hate them so much.

  18. Ali B

    September 5, 2009 at 1:07 pm

    “Know”, obviously. D’oh!

  19. Ali B

    September 5, 2009 at 1:06 pm

    ““It annoys me that Americans moan at the English and if anything I think that Americans are jealous.” JEALOUS? Of what…. tea, crumpets, and boredom?”

    No mate, culture.
    And I say that very much tongue in cheek.
    I do believe it’s time everyone took themselves a little less seriously, and tried not to be so reactionary.
    The fact of the matter is that the majority of people on both sides of the Atlantic are well-reasoned intelligent and by and large well-informed, and if you wish to base your opinions of a nation on an insult on a football messageboard, or worse still, the English media (which we all, frankly, find rather cringeworthy bar the 4 million people who buy The Sun), then that is up to you, but no that you are living in a world of paranoia created for you by unseen people.
    Face to face, person to person, there is more than enough respect, humility and good-nature to go around.

    On the football side, European fans are well aware of the US’s potential. The MLS may not quite be there yet, but the US national side is showing remarkable improvements, and I for one was cheering for them in their exceptional victory vs Spain not so long ago.
    The fact you’re on the receiving end of “banter”, as we say, should give you all the clues you need as to your perceived potential in the game – if you had none, we just wouldn’t bother.

  20. Goatygav

    September 3, 2009 at 10:22 am

    Add in to the equation that the friendly “Banter” doesn’t seem to exist, or is understood, your side of the pond. Winding up opposition fans is a fun sport and can be extremely amusing.

    I think you’re wrong about the respect that your teams are getting. Much of the talk around World Cup time seems to be of the progress that’s been made by the USA national side in the last couple of tournaments. Truth is we all know you’re improving and are not very far off being a force in World Association Football.

  21. Chester City Fan

    August 28, 2008 at 10:30 am

    I personally don’t have a problem with america, Although you speak the same language as us (England) your culture is a lot different. I think Football (Soccer) is kind of like a new sport in America. The problem I have with MLS is that there doesn’t appear to be the same amount of passion as you get in the Premier League and Football League, La Liga, Serie A. This therefore makes MLS seem quite tacky and silly. It annoys me that Americans moan at the English and if anything I think that Americans are jealous. But you don’t ever do anything but moan, If you want MLS to be respected then start showing the world how good it can be. For instance the only MLS team I know about is LA Galaxy an thats only because of DB Moving there. How can you expect people to respect or take interest in something the know very little about.

    • John Smith

      July 2, 2009 at 2:21 am

      “It annoys me that Americans moan at the English and if anything I think that Americans are jealous.” JEALOUS? Of what…. tea, crumpets, and boredom?

      • liam

        June 4, 2010 at 6:00 pm

        nah were jealous of 9|11

        • Yorker

          December 26, 2010 at 7:05 pm

          “liam”, then ask your queen to get nuked. America will gladly do it, you snaggletooth limey feggot!! 🙂

  22. Anonymous

    July 12, 2008 at 12:31 pm

    england is a footballin power house and america isnt i dont mean to be rude when i say that but is true not because of how well we play cos lets be honmest at the min we are shit but we have world class stars such as gerrard terry ferdinand owen rooney and us english do not shgow a lack of respect the dutch or the french if you look on some of the media channels after we didntqualify for the euros holland and france coinsidentley were the places they were looking towards in terms of how they develop young players and how much better technically they were than us and we do not mock u.s soccer but most people would say that u.s soccer is no where near as good as ours and it isnt i dont say that as a mark of disrespect but honesty i dont think the mls is thatgood of a league but in ten or fifteen years i can see america being a global power with lokes of adu and altisore coming through if you can keep developing players like that then someday you can win a world cup

  23. Anonymous

    May 29, 2008 at 5:23 am

    well i think that puts that arguement to rest, andf no one can argue that our superior footballing abitlity came through, which surprised me even more as were at the end of our season, and the americans (for those in the MLS) have only just begun theirs.

    Oh and for the person who stated this – ‘They haven’t even made the finals of a tournament since 1966 and don’t give France or Holland much respect despite all their success’, finals are the name of the stage of the tournament hosted by a host nation, not the final game contested by two teams, France have won the world cup the same number of times as England, Holland havent, and our top flight has a higher co-effcient tthan both of those allowing the premier league to have 4 teams in the champions league and the FA to enter another 3 into the Uefa cup. Those are some of the reason why we, along with most of Western Europe are known as a footballing power.

  24. Ant

    May 29, 2008 at 2:20 am

    No, sorry Jack, but Australia and NZ call it football. Can’t speak for Canada though.

  25. Jack

    May 28, 2008 at 11:36 pm

    “And we don’t tease Americans for inventing the word ‘Soccer,’ anyone with half a brain knows it comes from Association Football, we just mock you for being the only country that uses it.”

    I’m pretty sure that a lot of the other Anglophile countries (Australia (they call Aussie rules football football) and Canada (CFL football, baby!) at least, if not New Zealand and sometimes Ireland (since they play their own Gaelic football)). Just sayin…we’re not the only ones who say “soccer.”

  26. todd

    May 28, 2008 at 7:34 pm

    I am an american and I’ll be the first to tell you that the MLS is a joke. Everyone over here is a manure fan that drools over becks, and more than half of the manc fans can’t even tell why they like them. The class of the premiership is something that we will never see over here, our football will always be subpar and I don’t even care. So you brits, rip on our league all you want there are plenty of us over here that know it is crap. I’ll be dreaming of Anfield.

  27. Michael

    May 28, 2008 at 7:07 pm

    England is a “football powerhouse”? Really? When was the last time they won a World Cup? Are they even in their own continental championship this summer?

    “Powerhouse”? Give me a break. That term should be reserved for nations like Italy, France, Germany, Brazil, Argentina, etc.

  28. jack

    May 28, 2008 at 6:03 pm

    o come off it, the reason we think american footy is a joke is you all insist you guys r the best, yet i doubt a player in history has decided to go to the mls for a challenge, a physical challenge not like becks’ challenge, too be honest if america didnt have the money it does i dont think your squad would be in the top 50 ranked countries in the world, the only intrest any1 has in america, as ever is to get our hands on some of that money you guys have,( that worked out great wit the bloody yanks at liverpool). Face it england is football powerhouse and will always be because of the level of intrest ther is here, and too be frank america has yet to produce a genuine star, or anything near one, plus can i ask what is it with you hating us then but supporting man u or chelski everytime the league comes around? im fine with u tryin to improve stuff in ur country but dont give us ur opinions , support or anything, clubs like liverpool, man u , real madrid etc were built on real fans, im not just saying european, wheneva theres a tour to japan or africa the crowds go wild, u can see they enjoy it but please yanks just dont associate ur pitiful attempt at playin football with us, you want to have this link so you have some real part in international football affairs

  29. Burtiboy

    May 28, 2008 at 4:25 pm

    2-0 to the superior nation. As an Englishman living in Los Angeles, even my son who was born here and carries a US passport roots for the English. When I texted him the result his response was “good good”.

    Today the US looked no better than a pub team with the English barely getting out of second gear for the majority of the game. The one touch football at times was poetry in motion – whereas the US were labouring aroubd the field liek a bunch of old donkeys.

    After this game, the US will still get no respect for their national team and the MLS. Get use to more mediocrity for the next World Cup and beyond.


  30. AtlantaPompey

    May 28, 2008 at 1:35 pm

    True, England has won only one trophy, and that was 42 years ago on home soil with a disputed goal… but at least they have won something. The Gold Cup doesn’t count. When we consistently beat quality international competition and actually win a meaningful trophy, then the world will pay attention. I think even our country would pay more attention. Yes, they would be bandwagon jumpers, but that’s okay.

  31. Paul Bestall

    May 28, 2008 at 1:33 pm

    RE: Upnorth, fair comments. 🙂

    Yes, of course, but look at Spanish clubs success in the same period, they’ve won it 4 times, had the first same country final in 2001 and 3 wins in the UEFA Cup. I just think we need to take a step back sometimes and realise we’re not as good as we keep banging on about. What have Spain won since 1964?
    Will Inter Milan, AC Milan, Real Madrid and Barcelona be as poor next season? We can only wait and see.

  32. Daryl

    May 28, 2008 at 1:01 pm

    Great fucking post mate! I love it!

  33. The Gaffer

    May 28, 2008 at 12:51 pm


    I’m Welsh, so I hope that the USA wins tonight.


    Good catch! I’ll fix that now.


    As you can tell, I’m not a big fan of NFL football 🙂

    The Gaffer

  34. Jessie

    May 28, 2008 at 12:37 pm

    I read through all the comments a bit quickly, and all I have to say is that nobody caught the spelling error: ‘breathe’ the verb is spelled with an ‘e’ at the end. ‘Breath’ is the noun. Thus, “eat and breathe NFL football…”
    The two greatest Anglophone nations in the world, and they ain’t got no respect for their mother tongue.
    From an American, for the curious, and a big-time 49er Faithful.

  35. upnorth

    May 28, 2008 at 12:10 pm

    Paul Bestall –

    I think most of the hype about British football comes from the Media, anxious to sell papers or to get us to tune into the match and watch lots of adverts etc. Most people I talk to aren’t quite as confident about the stature of British football in Europe or the world.

    Still don’t really agree with you about English clubs in Europe though. English clubs have an indisputably good record in the European / Champions League competitions. You don’t have to rely on results from the dim and distant past; English clubs have won 3 out of the last 10 (30%), 2 out of the last 4 (50%), and have had 6 out of 8 semi finalist in the last 2 (75%). All recent statistics, and the indications are that there may well be more wins in the near future.

  36. down south

    May 28, 2008 at 11:53 am

    just to let you know it is not only three english teams who have won the champions league there are actually four. I know aston villa might not seem a team to have ever won the CL but a miracle happened in 1981-82 when they won. also.
    Liverpool 5 times- 1976,77. 1977,78. 1980,81. 1983,84. 2004,05
    Nottingham forest- 1978,79. 1979,80
    Man U- 1998,09. 2007,08.

    If you notice there is a period where the league is won 6 times in a row by an english team. Also i think that when a nation has had good football clubs and a decent national team they would not lose there self belief, confidence and a bit of their pomp. It may be the same for caribbean fans of the West Indies cricket team who had so much success in the past…. might be getting a bit to confounding for the american reader.

  37. upnorth

    May 28, 2008 at 11:51 am

    Kartik –

    I’m very sorry that some people have made some stupid and provocative remarks towards you. This is a shameful aspect of the British ‘yob’ culture. Please try to turn the other cheek, and don’t end up feeling bitter towards all English people. Also who told you the English don’t give the French or Dutch much respect… you’re French friend perhaps? Any way hope you enjoy the match, I expect there will be plenty of rude comments etc…. but that’s football!

  38. Paul Bestall

    May 28, 2008 at 11:46 am

    Fair point regarding the European Cup, English clubs won it 6 years in a row and 7 out of 8 between 77 and 84 but that was 30 years ago and thats the problem.
    Ajax won it 3 years in row, as did Bayern Munich in the 70’s too. How far do we go back? Before you know it, we’ll be banging on about 1966 all over again or West Auckland, the first team to win the first international trophy when they beat Juventus 6-1 in 1911 !!

    • liam

      June 4, 2010 at 5:55 pm

      how about u stick to baseball i hope ur fans get mullerd in s,africa if the english dont fill u in ,i 100% guarentee the algerians will

      • Jeff

        June 28, 2010 at 5:12 pm



        CHOKE ON IT. 🙂

        • Mj

          August 18, 2010 at 5:04 pm

          Obviously disapointed to go out of the world cup and it does matter to us but it is what happens when you appoint a foreign coach who dosnt understand the English way.

  39. upnorth

    May 28, 2008 at 11:35 am

    There is always ridicule and name calling etc, between rival fans. I wouldn’t take it too seriously if I were you! A minority of people make ignorant remarks, but these people don’t represent the majority.

    The English are understandably insecure and frustrated with the performance of their national side, not even managing to qualify for the European Finals. As I understand it football in the US is still very much a minority interest sport, yet the national squad has still managed a reasonable world ranking. It would be the ultimate humiliation for the English team to be overtaken by a nation where most people barely know the rules or take any interest! To be inferior to the football mad Brazilians or Argentineans is one thing, but the US? I think this deep routed fear, and lack of self confidence, may underpin the English lack of respect shown toward the US game.

    Exactly how much respect should be shown to the US game? Looking at the proposed line up of the US team for tonight, I’d say not an awful lot. There are 3 players from Fulham (who finished 4th bottom in the EPL this season and just avoided relegation) there’s a defender from Derby! (finished bottom in the EPL), and some guy from Watford (not even an EPL team). Whereas the English squad is predominately Manchester and Chelsea players (this years European Champions league winner and run up). Having said all that, it wouldn’t surprise me if the US won! Oops! There’s that English insecurity and lack of self confidence again.

    Paul Bestall – Don’t really agree with everything you’ve said, I think you’re being a bit selective when saying that the EPL has only produced 3 Champions league winners. I think it would be fairer to include European Cup wins as well (i.e. the for-runner to the Champions league) you then find that England is joint top with Italy and Spain, providing 11 winners each.

  40. K. Bowen

    May 28, 2008 at 11:28 am

    The reason American soccer fans dislike English soccer fans is because they look down their nose at us when, in fact, it’s not like they’re exactly lighting up the international game themselves.

    • liam

      June 4, 2010 at 5:53 pm


  41. Kartik

    May 28, 2008 at 10:56 am

    I’m in London for the match and wearing a US Soccer shirt and jacket has gotten me snears and a bunch of classless rude comments.

    I find it ironic because on the plane I was next to a Parisian guy who spent five hours talking football with me wanting my opinion as a knowledgeable American about French football and eating up anything I told him about the game in the US. He found it somewhat amussing what I told him I expected in London of the English. He said “that is typical of the English.”

    What’s ironic is the reaction starting in the immigration line at Heathrow was of me being a “dumb yank” and knowing nothing about football and comments like “stick to a sport you understand.” Now the French have had FAR more success than England in recent years yet their fans don’t say these things to me!

    Atlanta Pompey, England won’t give us respect until we win something? They haven’t even made the finals of a tournament since 1966 and don’t give France or Holland much respect despite all their success.

    • liam

      June 4, 2010 at 5:52 pm

      your just a mug ,you think ppl in europe care about the us team or respect it get a grip oh the parisian on the plane showed me respect bla bla how conveniant,ill put you away in any debate ,anyways ur just a cocktail of european sperm bet u dont even know what island ur ancestors set sail from

    • Robert Dormer

      June 11, 2010 at 8:40 pm

      I don’t know who you lot have been speaking to.

      Remember that during the world cup, more than half of the fans are clueless. Surely, in the States, there must be a similar phenomenon whereby in the NBA playoffs, Superbowl etc. plenty of self-proclaimed experts emerge, mouthing off and basically, talking complete bollocks.

      I was sitting not two hours ago with my friend, a lifelong spurs fan with s/ticket, my brother (he and I are both lifelong Arsenal fans) discussing the article in this months Time magazine regarding MLS development, Henry moving there next season etc.

      What you are all writing here is about as informed and prejudiced as the admittedly idiotic and tabloid press-fuelled guys hassling this man at the airport.

      English fans who don’t read the Sun/Mirror/Star crave top level football/soccer journalism, which by the way is more prevelant here than in any other country. We spend more hours talking about it, reading about it, watching it, loving it and yes, we don’t win much- but that is testament to our love affair with the game.

      By all means, let the best team win tonight. No-one I know thinks USA will be easy, and trust me when I say that they know more than you.

      In short, you can call it what you want, but don’t both expound flatly moronic stereotypes and try to take the moral high ground.


  42. Paul Bestall

    May 28, 2008 at 10:11 am

    I don’t think it’s just the MLS the UK has an issue with. Listen to any commentary when an British side plays a European tie or international and the old cliches come flying out.
    We, incorrectly, still think that England are the best team in the world and have the best league in the world. Yes, we had 3 teams in the Champions League semi’s this year and last but one swallow doesn’t make a summer. The EPL has still only provided the winners of the Champions League 3 times in 15 seasons and in the UEFA Cup/Cup Winners Cup it’s the same result. Hardly the stuff of domination is it?
    The old arguement that foreign footballers “Don’t like it up them” still pervades British thought and gives us an arrogance that allows people to laugh when we once again fail to win a major tournament at either club or international level. Look at the press coverage of the Rangers v Zenit St Petersburg final. Zenit had destroyed Bayern Munich Leverkusen and beat Marseille, but it seemed all Rangers had to do was turn up to win.
    A level of humility in football would go a long way to detering that and sometimes realising that their are other teams who are actually better than us.
    As for the States, I’d move there tomorrow. I love it.

  43. Anonymous

    May 28, 2008 at 9:25 am

    To be perfectly honest, i agree that the MLS doesnt get the respect it deserves, but when compared to the leagues in Europe you do have to admit it does pale in comparison, by more than just a little. And I find the assumption that britian has nothing to offer america in culture a little misguided. Infact, Britain and America are the worlds powerhouses for Rock Music, with Muse being widely regaded as the worlds best Live act. And I believe the appetite for Doctor Who is so large in America that its only 3 weeks behind the UK. So I dont accept that we are hypocrits and we do not offer the Americans anything.
    And the point about plastic fans by ossie’s dream is not snobbery, i must point out. In chelseas case, their fans have been stereotyped, but its more about loyalty than snobbery. No true fan would call a Man U fan a gloryhunter if they really did support them since they were a kid, but its the ideas that many fans switch alleigances just for the glory that riles us.

    Rant over, as Capello might put in a new faces, this should be a gd game, but over 90 minutes I belive Enlands better strength in depth (while not that great) will eventually show, but the USA will hold out for at least an hour id say, they sould be gd enough to press England back for much of the game.

  44. m2fc

    May 28, 2008 at 9:23 am

    just play the game and stop instigating

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  46. AtlantaPompey

    May 28, 2008 at 8:16 am

    England won’t show us more respect until we accomplish something worthy of respect. Winning at Wembley would be a good start. Advancing deep into the World Cup would be even better. We’ve done that once, but we needed a lot of help to advance out of the group stage.

    MLS teams won’t get the respect we crave until they start winning the international tournaments they are in. Send an MLS team to the Club World Cup, have them do well, and after a few times, the rest of the world will start showing some respect to MLS. Until that happens, all the whining in the world won’t make a difference.

    You want respect? Win.

    I think some of that starts tonight.

    England 1-2 USA

  47. ossie's dream

    May 28, 2008 at 8:13 am

    English football fans obsess over “authenticity.” That is to say, who is the more “authentic” fan. One of the worse insults you see and hear in the pubs, terraces or message boards is “plastic,” (“plastic fans,” “plastic wankers,” or merely “plastics”), a plastic being a new, fair weather or casual fan, who often holds forth with their opinions despite not being as immersed in the game as a hardcore supporter – the type that has owned a season ticket since the black and white era, travels on the midweek away days to Wigan, can remember the names of all the “top boys” from the 80s, etc., etc.

    For example, Chelsea fans are often referred to as plastics; not so long ago Chelsea was an unremarkable team playing in a crappy stadium with half the attendance you see now. Fast forward to the present day and Chelsea enjoys sells out crowds. Who are these new fans? Where did the come from? Plastics. That will be the answer from, say, Spurs fans.

    It’s a form of cultural snobbery. And the English are good at that. The same principal applies here; American fans didn’t grow up in the English footballing culture, so how could they possibly know more about the game than an Englishman?

    It’s a shame really. We all stand to benefit if more Americans embrace the game, so their’ interest in football should be nurtured by their English cousins, not mocked.

  48. Sam Dalton

    May 28, 2008 at 7:30 am

    Obviously you have lived in America for quite a while now Gaffer, but used to live in Britain.

    So who do you want to win tonight?

  49. jm

    May 28, 2008 at 7:27 am

    I think Ryan makes an astute point, and I too was disappointed to see the dig at the NFL. I certainly have no qualms with the Gaffer disliking it, I myself enjoy it, but that’s a matter of taste.

    However, it further perpetuates this notion that they are rival sports. Coupled with the descriptions “macho” and “dumb” the line just adds fuel to the fire to the fault lines within America. One of the obstacles to soccer’s popularity (despite Ant’s protestations, I find it very handy to switch terminology depending on the linguistic circles I am dealing with) in the United States is the way it is culturally embedded.

    American football is stereotypically associated with the “American cowboy” stereotype, and soccer is associated with equally destructive stereotypes. This creates cultural predispositions to dislike the sport. We should be interested in destroying these stereotypes and show that both sports can be enjoyed by a wide population, rather than reinforcing the already problematic disputes.

  50. chrissy

    May 28, 2008 at 7:03 am

    the most annoying thing about US soccer fans is that there are too many Man Yoo fans 🙁

  51. Ryan

    May 28, 2008 at 6:44 am

    Good article Gaffer, I don’t understand the pointless dig at the NFL though. I passionately enjoy both footballs, I think if soccer(sorry) people would stop ripping on football(throwball?) people, and vice versa, it would help soccer’s popularity expand greatly. Who cares what its called? Just enjoy the product on the field.

    • English Bean

      March 1, 2017 at 5:03 pm

      American football, in England, not throwball. Just sayin ??

  52. Utd fan

    May 28, 2008 at 5:11 am

    MLS is garbage (not even on par with the CCC yet), but it’s getting better every day and I’m looking forward to its expansion into the NW.

    Anyway, I liked the article and I pray that I can shout to all my American, soccer hating, USNT bashing friends (who won’t really care, to be honest): “I told you so.”

  53. Ant

    May 28, 2008 at 4:56 am

    I don’t think it’s snobbery that has us Brits mocking the quality of the MLS, it is the fact that the standard is extremely poor.

    We do have MLS shown regularly on a terrestrial TV channel and the standard sometimes struggles to even match the Championship over here.

    And we don’t tease Americans for inventing the word ‘Soccer,’ anyone with half a brain knows it comes from Association Football, we just mock you for being the only country that uses it.

    • BG

      September 12, 2009 at 3:54 pm

      America is the only country that uses the word Soccer? thats odd, ill have to go correct all the canadians, aussies, and new zealanders that use it to. Last time i checked thats the majority of English speaking countries. Not to mention the fact that the irish use both words as they have Gaelic football.

    • wqsqisq

      July 23, 2010 at 8:11 am

      hombre el unico pais k lo utiliza

  54. andy

    May 28, 2008 at 4:52 am


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