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Premier League Super Sunday, Gameweek 22: Open Thread

super sunday sky Premier League Super Sunday, Gameweek 22: Open Thread

The world will be watching today as Manchester United takes on Liverpool, while Arsenal plays Manchester City.

In today’s matches, it’s an opportunity to judge how far (or close) Arsenal and Liverpool are from the quality of Manchester United and City near the top of the table. Are the Gunners and Reds just a player or two from the top, or is the gap wider than we would like to believe?

For City and United, it’s an opportunity to increase or narrow the gap near the top of the league. Both clubs will be hoping that the other drops points today.

Manchester United starting lineup: De Gea, Rafael, Ferdinand, Vidic, Evra, Cleverley, Carrick, Kagawa, Young, Welbeck, Van Persie

Liverpool starting lineup: Reina, Wisdom, Johnson, Agger, Skrtel, Lucas, Gerrard, Allen, Downing, Sterling, Suarez

Before, during or after today’s Premier League matches, join the conversation in the comments section with soccer supporters from around the world.

Have a wonderful Sunday!

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110 Responses to Premier League Super Sunday, Gameweek 22: Open Thread

  1. jtm371 says:

    welcome to your own horror show pool will get ugly and it will be a long 90 minutes hope you won’t take it out on the dog or your wife.ENJOY!

  2. IanCransonsKnees says:

    Talksport has been amusing this morning. Micky Quinn and Jason Cundy have been presenting the 8-12 show and its been dominated by the obvious topic.

    They were asking for calls on the Man United v Liverpool match at the start of the show. I went to the gym whilst it was on and whilst driving home at 11.30 they were still pleading for callers who actually came from Manchester or Liverpool to call them. By 11.55 they finally got a Manc and a Scouser on the phone. All of the callers before had been from anywhere but!

    No surprise I suppose but it goes to show how gloryhunters over here are the scourge of the game. I treat the people who come on here as a different kettle of fish as you have no direct link so can choose to follow whoever you want for whatever the reason. These English football fans who never set foot in the stadium and wander around Cornwall, North Wales, Essex and Surrey in their replica shirts are simply weak and vain sheep.

    Rant over.

    My tip for today, neither RVP or Suarez (his teeth are offside) will score.

    • jtm371 says:

      going to the gym a New Years resolution?

      • IanCransonsKnees says:

        No chance(although the lardarses that made tha resolutio were packing it out, 5 ays a week for the past 12 years. Like a racing snake I am ;-).

        Funnily enough the Port Vale youth team wandered in as I was leaving, the pitches are frozen this morning. Bunch of no mark chavs.

        • jtm371 says:

          one more point on McLeast next week Forest will get their ass handed to them at the Sheep hope for that clown.

    • IanCransonsKnees says:

      That means Suarez will score now.

  3. The Gaffer says:

    Old Trafford pitch looks awful. No wonder Fergie wants to have it ripped up and replaced this summer.

    The Gaffer

  4. IanCransonsKnees says:

    Joe Allen, boyhood Manchester United fan he’s just been described as on Talksport. Despite being from Camarthen! AAARRGGH!

    • Red 10 says:

      Based on your logic a person is only ever allowed to support a team from the town that they are from. And if the person is a fan of any big club (especially Manchester United) then they are the worst kind of person. Why do you care so much about what team a person supports?

      • Guy says:

        Just speaking for myself, but for various reasons, I think the feeling that one should support his home team is much stronger in the UK than in the US.

        You would think Joe Allen might have grown up a fan of a Welsh team, but apparently not. Wonder how he happened to choose Man Utd. ;-)

      • IanCransonsKnees says:

        Because if you’re born in England you have 92 league teams to choose from. It’s simply no excuse to follow Liverpool, Arsenal, Manchester United, Manchester City et al because your grandparents once went past the stadium on the train they were travelling on. It shows a lack of character on the part of the glory hunter who chooses to link themselves to artificial emotions that cannot mean the same to a non-native. My team represent me and my city when they play win, lose or draw, in League 1, the Championship or the Premier League. Supporting them is my birthright and in all honesty I respect those that feel the same and follow our local rivals than the spineless creatures who swan around our city, speaking with our accent but emblazoned across their midriff with Standard Chartered or AON. The only plus point is results against those sides are all the more sweeter, though they may be few and far between.

        If you’re not from England support who you like I’ve no beef with that. if you are man up and have some self respect.

  5. Frill Artist says:


  6. IanCransonsKnees says:

    Don’t know if you’ll get this over there but I’ll try anyway.

    Nigel Adkins – utter, utter bellend. After Jack Cork gets a player sent off by diving the stupid tw@t has the temerity to defend Rodriguez’s dive yesterday.

    Guy here’s a cracking statement from The Oatcake today in response to Adkins shocking defence.

    “I wish someone would invent a new game, where the aim is to score goals by being good at playing football, as opposed to simulating a foul.

    They could call this new sport “football”.”

  7. jtm371 says:

    hope you did not bet your hunch.lets hear it from pool fans how Webb gave RVP that goal.

    • IanCransonsKnees says:

      No, I just thought it’d be an interesting punt if someone fancied it. Going against the obvious grain of backing both to score.

      I can’t see death by a million passes being victorious for Brentan today.

  8. IanCransonsKnees says:

    Unted fans singing our Luis Suarez your teeth are offside song :-)

  9. jtm371 says:

    that looked painful.

  10. The Gaffer says:

    Joe Allen is having a terrible game. Worst I’ve seen him play. Too many wayward passes and he’s losing possession too many times today. Very unlike him.

    The Gaffer

  11. jtm371 says:

    if Wellbeck could finish it would be 2 or 3 nil.

  12. The Gaffer says:

    The sooner Liverpool brings on Sturridge, the better. It’s too easy for Manchester United to snuff out Luis Suarez’s attacks each time. Suarez needs better support up top.

    The Gaffer

  13. Red 10 says:

    What are the comments about Webb favoring United? Decides to stop play once United gain possession after Liverpool decide to play on with their keeper down.

  14. Ivan says:

    Liverpool look awful! Is Gerrard playing?
    Throw caution to the wind, bring in Sturridge at the half. 0:1 or 0:3, it don’t matter. Show some courage out there. This is turning into United’s easiest game of the season. They should have been up by at least a couple…QPR put up a better fight at Old Trafford this season. PAthetic!

  15. jtm371 says:

    no fight from pool very pedestrian first half.3 or 4 missed chances from MUFC.Louie is lost with no support up top.Dust must be trying to get over his draw at Loftus Road.

  16. Red 10 says:

    EVRA!!! Scores before Suarez as well.

  17. jtm371 says:

    were halfway to my prediction of 4 nil and also all the wives and dogs in Liverpool are running scared!

  18. jtm371 says:

    once again DeGiver gets an assist on Sturridge goal.

  19. Red 10 says:

    With Sturridge on with Suarez, liverpool are looking more threatening.

    • The Gaffer says:

      What a difference a goal makes. Liverpool were toast until Sturridge scored.

      Looking forward to seeing what Borini can offer. Such a dynamic player.

      The Gaffer

      • Red 10 says:

        Since Borini and Sturridge came on it has really allowed Suarez more room and brought him into it much more. United’s defense can’t just focus on Suarez any more.

  20. Red 10 says:

    The last touch is what Welbeck lacks in separating him from a really good forward and becoming a great striker.

    • Charles Boyer says:

      I keep hoping he will learn it and start being a deadly force out on the pitch, but truth is, I would much rather see Chicharito than Welbeck in any given match.

  21. Red 10 says:

    If Webb truly was favoring United that would have been a 2nd yellow on Johnson. SHOULD have been a second yellow regardless.

  22. IanCransonsKnees says:

    It’s being reported that police have been investigating a suspicious package near to The Emirates, they don’t think the game will be delayed though.

    I wonder if it contains a trophy ;-)

  23. Guy says:

    Any bets on Sturridge starting next match?

  24. IanCransonsKnees says:

    10 points ahead of Man City, 24 ahead of Liverpool! Fair play to Fergie, he knows how to turn the screw on his rivals.

  25. Marc L says:

    Ugh, run for your lives, wives and dogs of Liverpool. It will be a happy bunch (i.e. roughly 100% of the OT attendance) making its way to Piccadilly for the Euston train.

    Okay, City. Win away at Arsenal for the first time since 1977 or so just to stay within 7. Somewhat demoralizing, to be certain.

  26. Guy says:

    That 2nd goal can’t possibly go to Vidic, can it? I know it touched him, but come on.

  27. Frill Artist says:

    Ah, what a lovely Sunday it will be. Now, we just need a tie at the Emirates or a loss to $h!tty.

  28. M Owen says:

    Well done ManU , for the 1st time in past 5-6 meets I felt you guys deserved al three points.
    I like how my team is taking shape..time will tell and I happy to give BR the time.

    Joe Allen and Sterling overplayed and need to rested for quite sometime…they had a horrible game.

    Gaffer, so when vidic and Ferdinand headed the ball last and the refree gave a Manu goal kick? I didn’t see them running to the lrefree letting him know it was a LFC corner? So are they blatant cheater too? I didn’t hear John champion lash out the same criticism he did for Suarez…double standard can I say ? Lol Shiite happens gaffer Is my point.

    • IanCransonsKnees says:

      I think Allen and Sterling were found out from the point of view of the team they’re playing in and the team they were up against. They’re not good enough to drag Liverpool up to the level they expect to be playing at, but they’d improve a Swansea, Stoke, Southampton et al. It’s the nature of the beast I’m afraid, like many over priced and under cooked players that Liverpool have signed before.

    • Todd says:

      Wow. Nice tackle. That could possibly change the game.

  29. brn442 says:

    Johnson should have been sent off. Webb is not having his best match.

  30. IanCransonsKnees says:

    I wonder if the sophisticates at The Emirates will greet Clichy as respectfully as they wish everyone else to treat their players?

  31. Dust says:

    On behalf of Spurs & west ham thanks for finally showing up in the game & making it co petition for the last. 40 mins. That vidic. Goal looked offside to me, as for Webb being a Man U ref, not sure about that after that performance, how Johnson stayed on after the literal rugby tackle I have no idea, if intentional wrapping your arms around another’s legs to stop them racing off isn’t a professional foul then I must have been watching the wrong sport… Should have been a yellow & him gone.

    Anyways, .. Man city v Farcenal if it is a draw or loss for city then the backpges will be rife with Mancini out. Results wise for me it’s tough, I want Farcenal to be destroyed every game, but I also like the idea of a draw so man city stay in touch with the pack…………………………. Nah, I hope Farcenal get destroyed!

    • IanCransonsKnees says:

      Sorry for yesterday’s result Dust. One of those games I’m afraid, we were well in it until he 2nd went in.

      • Dust says:

        I was so gutted, Stoke have really impressed me defensively this season as well as in transition as they start to get it on the deck. I really thought you would get something out of it, CFC got the rub, I hope stoke can bounce back…. I was gutted

        Payers just walked out at the library to a thunderous……. Meh lol….so shabby at the Farcenal. C’mon city blow these peanuts away!

      • Guy says:

        You know, with Dust feeling about Arsenal the way he does he’s almost a Stoke fan. :-)

  32. IanCransonsKnees says:

    55 points from 22 matches for Man United, the highest that has been reached by a league leader at this stage of the season since the Premier League began.

    A statement of intent if ever there was.

    • Dust says:

      Did you read the article posted about RVP influence? If not check it out, it is interesting from the author, the problem I found was it did the opposite of his point, the point was to prove man utd weren’t a one man team but what you took away each teams top goal scorer, RVP was the only one that took 14 points away and dropped man utd to 4th…. LoL … Anyways check it out

      • IanCransonsKnees says:

        The same could be said of Liverpool and Suarez. When are you coming over? The weather’s starting to turn if it’s soon.

      • Todd says:

        That might be true, but I have a problem with that kind of talk. RvP was bought for exactly that reason. He’s doing his job. Why bother with arguments about his goals carrying the team, he’s there to score goals. It would be a problem if he wasn’t scoring goals.

        • Dust says:

          Like I said I thought it was an interesting article i just felt It did the opposite is all.

        • IanCransonsKnees says:

          Nobody Whinged when Cole, Shearer, Wright, Ferdinand, Bright, Fowler et al banged in 20-30 a season so I don’t see the difference between now and then.

          I agree, you may as well argue Messi and Ronaldo carry their teams based on the volume of goals they score.

  33. IanCransonsKnees says:

    Dirty, dirty Arsenal. Holding inside the penalty area I thought only teams like Stoke did that.

    Filthy team. I wonder if the whinger saw that. Shame on Man City for spurning that.

  34. Dust says:

    Actually a very good call by the ref… Another rugby tackle.

  35. Dust says:

    What the hell was that ref? Why stop the game for a Wilshire roll around, city were on the break…. Rubbish

    Dzeco…uuugghhh ….say what you want about balotelli. He would have put the pen and that last chance away

  36. IanCransonsKnees says:

    Joe Allen’s getting some grief off Liverpool fans on Twitter. Lightweight, not the Welsh Iniesta because he passes it sideways and backwards, worse than Vladimir Smicer. When they compare him to Salif Diao the game’s up for him.

  37. M Owen says:

    Go city it’s you b’day…Go city it’s you b’day lol
    Thunder strike from Milner. wonder why requested from city?

  38. Dust says:

    Podolski the second time he’s elbowed someone in the face….. Dirty Farsenal!

  39. IanCransonsKnees says:

    I’m not the biggest fan of Citeh but I hope they romp home now.

    I wonder if Koscilney will get called up for the 6 Nations? (Can’t wait for that to start, Robert Huth is a naturalised England player now so is in line for a call up from Stuart Lancaster).

  40. Todd says:

    That should be game over. As if it was going to be a game after the sending off.

  41. jtm371 says:

    stat of the day liverpool has not beat a top ten side in the EPL and season is half over.Oh how the mighty have fallen.

    Dust and Ian are sharing smiles with 2 nil lead to city.oh i forgot Marc has a smile also.

  42. IanCransonsKnees says:

    Go on Citeh rub their noses in it. The boot’s on the other foot now if anyone remembers the Arsenal v Newcastle match this season?

    Be interesting to see the empty seats second half. I’ll go for an exodous once the 3rd goes in.

  43. Dust says:

    C’mon city, pile it on! 6-0 lol

  44. IanCransonsKnees says:

    Somebody better call a tube strike and get the match abandoned.

  45. Dust says:

    Would have been a perfect football weekend if Ade had put away his chances too…oh yeah and chavski would have lost… I guess LFC loss and arsenal turmoil will have to do…lol

  46. Marc L says:

    Extremely lax and complacent play by City after the second goal. Can’t let them do that, Bob. Even this simulacrum of Arsenal can score on you pretty quick.

    Looked a bit draconian of a decision by Mike Dean. But then that raises the rhetorical question – who is easier to beat? Koscielny? Or the empty space of grass that is left once he has been sent off?

    Glad to see Milner with one, as he continues what has been a nice and largely unnoticed run in the side this past month or so.

  47. Jack Tomczuk says:

    Why does the worst referee in the Premier League (Mike Dean) consistently get assigned to big matches?

  48. jtm371 says:

    bad call on Kompany his one leg was pulled back plus he won the ball.Dean needs to be reviewed after this match not his best at all.

    • Todd says:

      To be fair to the referee, at full speed it looked bad since Kompany went airborne, but you are right. His studs were down and only one foot was put in, not to mention that he did win the ball and didn’t make contact with Wilshire. More like Wilshire went over top of Kompany.

  49. Guy says:

    City should have really put them away, but any Arsenal loss is a good one. :-)

  50. Marc L says:

    Just an utterly crap job of officiating by Mike Dean front to back today. Sucked the air right out of what could have been an immensely engaging match.

    Balotelli to hairstylist: “Make it look as if there is a rolled-up condom on the end of my head.”

  51. Dust says:

    At NO point was that challenge by Kompany a red, what a joke, jack Wilshire is an embarrassment, goes down more than Pam Anderson at a tommy le boat party.

    Mike dean is a horrid ref, but he got Koschicken right, but such a fail on Kompany, it was a great challenge by Komoany. I’m sure city will win the appeal.

  52. IanCransonsKnees says:

    Keep an eye out for Martin Keown in the press this week, he’ll be writing an article berating Arsenal for holding in the box.

    Or maybe not because he’s a hypocritical simian who is so one eyed it’s unreal. Because they don’t play in red and white stripes Koscielny will be hard done to and the world will be against the Whinger and his gnomes.

    Does anyone else think Keown could be Bale’s dad? They both look like planet of the apes extras.

  53. IanCransonsKnees says:

    TOTAL RESPECT to the linesman on this clip from today.

    (He’ll still be a blind b@$tard when he comes to The Britannia ;-))

  54. Smokey Bacon says:

    All this rubbish about Michu for player of the year, signing of the season etc.. Even (Gawd help us) Suarez getting a mention. Ridiculous. The only name on the ballot should be Van Persie. Signing of the season by a good country mile or two.

  55. Eplnfl says:

    Great build up and the fans where great at both stadiums but Sunday was less then super. MAN U clearly was going to win and the same can be said for City. I am impressed how MANU has not only top quality footballers but also great athletes.

  56. David says:

    United are clearly in pole position to win the title. The only thing that might derail that would be an injury to RVP. He has been surprisingly injury-free this season which was not the case at Arsenal.

    Liverpool are not progressing with Brendan Rodgers in charge. He continues to get his selection and tactics wrong. He is still learning his trade but unfortunately it is at the expense of Liverpool. Another year without CL soccer for Liverpool.

    Manchester City are a very consistent team and have the talent to challenge United for the title but unless United falter badly (and I don’t expet that to hapen 2 years in a row) City will have to concentrate on the FA Cup for a trophy this season.

    Arsenal are going to find in tough to get 4th spot this season. The red card hurt them badly but I think even if they had 11 men they would have lost to City anyway. Arsenal have been blowing hot and cold far too often this season. Their only hope of getting into the CL next season is to win it this season but that won’t happen with the squad they have. Stranger things have happened though.

  57. Scrumper says:

    What is it with Nobby No Mates – John Gregory? During the Arsenal game he mangled names like he was desperate to be their best mate. We heard “Little Jackie” Wilshere a hundred times, almost as many “Robbie” Mancini’s, then “Ollie” Giroud and finally the hilarious “Carlito” Tevez. He always sounds like a bloke watching the game at a pub and commentating to himself.

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