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Premier League Saturday, Gameweek 16: Open Thread

number 16 Premier League Saturday, Gameweek 16: Open Thread

Six matches, all played at the same time today. This is going to be a short Saturday of Premier League matches unless you plan on taping games and watching them one after the other, to prolong the enjoyment.

Take your pick from today’s ties — Arsenal vs West Brom, Swansea vs Norwich, Southampton vs Reading, Sunderland vs Chelsea, Aston Villa vs Stoke and Wigan vs QPR.

Before, during or after today’s matches, post your rants, raves, questions or observations in the comments section below.

Have a wonderful Saturday!

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63 Responses to Premier League Saturday, Gameweek 16: Open Thread

  1. IanCransonsKnees says:

    Really fancied going to Villa but have got exams so am stuck at home revising. It could go either way but it’ll be 1-0, 0-0 or 0-1. Crouch is back but I’d prefer Jones to start. Adam is suspended so I think there might be one less yellow card today. Hopefully Steven Nzonzi will get to push forward a little more.

    We’re starting to get some of players linked with bigger teams which is disconcerting, considering we’ve got rugby players not footballers.

    Elsewhere I think the Arsenal v Baggies match is the most intriguing. If Arsenal get anything other than a win Wenger’s reaction will be interesting.

    Southampton v Reading, draw please!

    • Sammy says:

      And what kind of reaction do you think that will be? A subdued one? Or will he still continue to be defensive and shrug off the pressure? I can’t wait to see that. Sigh, at times I really just feel like giving up hope as an Arsenal supporter…if only things like this didn’t have to keep happening.

      • IanCransonsKnees says:

        Toys out with everyone I think. He doesn’t seem to deal with it very well does he. A draw would suit me as usual.

    • jtm371 says:

      how much truth in the rumor about your goaltender going to MUFC?

      • IanCransonsKnees says:

        I don’t think it’d be January, summer is more likely. £8m isn’t enough though considering he’s proven in the Premier League and still has a 3 year deal. Fergie always struggles with keepers. That said they don’t really need him when you look at the table and you can’t blame their keepers completely when you’ve got such an unsure defence in front of you.

  2. IanCransonsKnees says:

    No Fletcher for Sunderland. Where will the goals come from?

  3. Sammy says:

    Well, no early kick-offs today for a change, but at least there’s more time at night to do other things.

    Not sure which game I should watch later, Arsenal vs WBA? Or Sunderlaand vs Chelsea? Both seem pretty interesting to me. I somehow would like to see Chelsea keep losing now to see how long their manager will stay…hehehe

    • jtm371 says:

      i think i will watch the chelski train wreck hoping to see the fat waiter take another hit but Sunderland is awful.

      • Sammy says:

        Yup, that’s the unfortunate part. But anything is possible on the day, so yeah, I guess Sunderland has a chance as well. They’d really have to step up their game though.

  4. IanCransonsKnees says:

    Ray Parlour just talking about Harry Redknapp banning QPR players from having a Christmas party.

    Says at Arsenal they used to have one every Tuesday and when it got to Christmas it’d last 3 days. Stan Collymore’s just explained why he’s called Fireman Stan too.

  5. Gary says:

    My predictions:
    Arsenal 2 – West Brom 2
    Sunderland 0 – Chelsea 1
    Aston Villa 1 – Stoke 0
    Swansea 2 – Norwich 1
    Southampton 3 – Norwich 1
    Wigan 2 – QPR 1

    • Dust says:

      Arsenal 1 – West Brom 2 (hoping draw)
      Sunderland 0 – Chelsea 3 (hoping draw)
      Aston Villa 1 – Stoke 2
      Swansea 2 – Norwich 1(hoping draw)
      Southampton 3 – Reading 3
      Wigan 2 – QPR 1 (hoping 4-1 Wigan)

  6. Dust says:

    Meanwhile Ian, n the states Warren “the Wally” Barton continues to make himself look like a complete muppet.

    They are so poor, they have a quick question section where the host asks “the experts”mquestion for some insight and without failure one of the 3 make themselves look ridiculous.

    It’s like they read the headline of the article but struggle with the small print in the article itself.

    • IanCransonsKnees says:

      Can’t be doing with Pat Nevin or Andy Townsend over here. Bell ends the pair of them.

      I much prefer the radio pundits. That said Sky Soccer Saturday is second to none.

  7. IanCransonsKnees says:

    Gaffer will be sulking. If you’re around will Vorm get his place back when he’s fit?

    • The Gaffer says:

      Norwich is one of Swansea’s bogey teams, so I’ll be happy with a draw today.

      Vorm is fit, but Laudrup gave the nod to Tremmel. Personally, I would have picked Vorm to go back in today. Tremmel has been great, but Vorm is better in my opinion.

      The Gaffer

      • IanCransonsKnees says:

        Bogey! Sounds like Stoke and WBAs relationship. Chris Hughton will get a top job one day.

        • The Gaffer says:

          Game over already for Swansea. They’re getting exposed with high crosses into the box (which is always the way Stoke beats Swansea).

          Norwich defend so well. Hard to break down.

          The Gaffer

  8. The Gaffer says:

    Lucky break for Arsenal.

    The Gaffer

    • IanCransonsKnees says:

      Wenger won’t have seen that.

      Dust, how would you compare the quality of that to Bale? Good job it wasn’t against Arsenal otherwise they’d be demanding the offending player be banned for life.

      10000 empty seats at The Emirates according to Talksport. Plenty of seats for anyone thinking of coming over.

      • Dust says:


        Bale at least has contact when he goes down. Did Carroll appeal for a pen? I didn’t see it I’m flicking between Sunderland CFC and Farcenal game.

      • Dust says:

        In all seriousness tho, you can’t put Bale in the same category as that Carzola dive. such a blatant dive, to hold his leg like that too, unreal.

        Against villa at the lane, where there was no contact he got straight up didn’t look for a thing, he WAS just anticipating contact, you can see it on his face from the reverse angle.

        If a player has had as many serious ankle injuries as bale you can understand them not wanting to get clattered. But he Isn’t doing it to cheat the game, Carzola and Ox were trying to cheat the game.

        That is what also separates Suarez from the group, deliberately trying to mislead, not avoiding a clattering.

        Just embarrassing.

        • Andrei says:

          Nice try Mr. Plevako. A dive is a dive. No need to rationalize it.

          • Dust says:

            Of course there is a difference, it’s not rationalizing to point out the difference between a blatant cheat and moments of circumstance, avoiding being clattered is different.

            Don’t fear debating the complexities in the realities of the game.

    • Guy says:

      Atrocious penalty call. Carzola did a Torres and got away with it…..which is why they keep doing it.

      • IanCransonsKnees says:

        Needs to be retrospective punishment. Rolling around holding his ankle all after no contact. Hopefully the ref evens it up.

        • dano328 says:

          Been that for nearly two years, retro ban for diving. Now that an Arsenal player has gotten away with it, the media will keep a strong focus on that topic. When Young did it two weeks in a row…it was forgotten the next day.

      • The Gaffer says:

        Cazorla tried the same thing against Swansea, but Mark Clattenburg just told the Spaniard to get up.

        The Gaffer

  9. BA14 says:

    Torres! Torres! Torres! Torres! Torres! Torres! Torres! Torres! Torres! Torres! Torres! Torres! Torres! Torres! Torres! Torres! Torres! Torres! Torres! Torres!

  10. Gary says:

    The Carzola penalty was such a bad decision especially since the referee was close to the play. What on earth was he seeing or thinking when he gave that decision? Arsenal got away with one.

    Arsenal have been the better team and should have scored more. Will they regret not taking their chances? We shall see.

  11. The Gaffer says:

    If I was Michael Laudrup, I’d take off Danny Graham at halftime and replace him with Kemy Agustien. Move Michu to striker and allow Agustien to be the creative midfielder. Ki and De Guzman should drop back a bit to stop Norwich’s attacks.

    Swansea need to stop giving away silly free kicks. And if they concede them, they need to mark the players better.

    Swansea hit the crossbar and had a shot that deflected narrowly past the post. If Laudrup is willing to make some changes, there’s a chance Swansea can grab a goal back. And then we’ll see what the Swans can do after that.

    The Gaffer

  12. sacto blues says:

    Glad to see Torres demand and take the penalty. Chelsea needs the full 90 minutes no repeat of last week. C’mon Toffees on Sunday.

  13. Guy says:

    Stoke putting zero pressure on AV. I’d say, “Unbelievable!”….however….

  14. Guy says:

    sacto can relax for the rest of that one.

  15. Dust says:

    Another dive by arsenal for a penalty, unbelievable, same old arsenal always cheating

  16. Guy says:

    Here we go, Gaffer! :-)

  17. IanCransonsKnees says:

    Swansea’s the game to be at! Can only imagine what The Gaffer’s neighbours will think of the noise if they pull this back.

  18. Dust says:

    No way WBA can beat a 12 man arsenal, they have only scored from pen’s, both were dives!

    I bet wenger says he didn’t see it so can’t comment.

    One good piece of info from fox soccer today from wynalda at half time which made me fall out of my chair in shock was the recall of the muller dive that got him a 8 game retro ban in German league.

    And so… To make it worse for Carroll, he and the ref have a close handshake, almost a hug…unbelievable!

    • Dust says:

      Damn it! Even the iPad doesn’t want to type the name Carzola keeps replacing it with Carroll.

    • Sammy says:

      Sorry, but i really don’t understand what you mean as I thought the second one was a correct penalty. I definitely saw contact in that one.

      • Dust says:

        IMO the second was sold a pen, by his dive yes there was contact but that doesn’t mean it’s a pen.

        If you look at the replay his body lurches forward, arms up on the air and fully at stretch and then goes limp, which is exactly the same as bale last week when he got his yellow for sim.

        So if bale gets a yellow for exactly the same motion after contact, why not ox?

        The ref had a mare today, in the offseason I hope the refs put some more focus on how to be consistent in what gets awarded as a pen. An example being today the foul on hazard in the first 3 mins of the game in the penalty box was not given but it was way more blatant than the one awarded to Aguero is so inconsistent.

  19. IanCransonsKnees says:

    0-0, didn’t realise Shotton got sent off. Shame, he’s done well. I’ll take a point away from home any day of the week. Everton at home next, always a tough un.

    Nice to see QPR screwing up.

  20. sacto blues says:

    Phew ! Chelsea didn’t play for a complete 90 minutes as they got tired late but first win since Tottenham match.

  21. dano328 says:

    The second goal was a penalty. Ox did foul before he won the PK and ref missed it. Despite the dive Arsenal played well enough & kept a clean sheet. Numeous chances for Arsenal. Very few for WBA. I’ll take an ugly win right now.

  22. BA14 says:

    All the games at one time today…that’s garbage.

    • Sammy says:

      Yes, I agree. But on the bright side, at least we’ll get to enjoy a classic match tomorrow! Something definitely worth looking forward to. :D

  23. Dust says:

    The Dewers girl has come along way since Mallrats, not a bad Scottish accent either.

  24. Sammy says:

    Norwich flying at the moment, though sadly for them they still are yet to win by more than one goal this season. Great to see Michu keep up his red-hot goal scoring form, I really hope he ends up as the season’s top scorer this time.

  25. IanCransonsKnees says:

    Reading v Sunderland on Tuesday is a massive game now. Tense affair I’m sure it’ll be.

  26. Dust says:

    Wenger in his post game interview on TS says Carzola told him there was contact.

    So not only is Corzola a cheat, he is a Liar too! But also lied to his boss, what should Wenger do when he finds out he has been lied to.

    Farcenal fans saying they deserved the win… Up to the point of the penalty it was anyone’s game.

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