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Arsenal Supporters Need to be Patient

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Arsenal was earmarked as potential dark horses in the title race before the loss of Robin van Persie. Now without Van Persie, the hope for a title challenge has suddenly disappeared and has been replaced with doubts of Champions League qualification for next year.

Is this valid or a premature assessment of Arsenal? The weekend demonstrated a glimpse into Arsenal’s future, or just a new team still yet to gel. Newspaper headlines say that Van Persie would’ve put away the chances that were on offer on the opening day of the season. The Sun headline reads “No RVP, no goals, and no Song,” — an overzealous headline to say the very least. But Arsenal failed to take advantage for all their possession and failed to take control of the game. Typical Arsenal isn’t it — failing to make the most of their opportunities, not seeing out games and dropping points as a result.

But there’s hope. Don’t despair Arsenal fans. Just be patient. I don’t believe Rome was built in a day, so Arsenal’s newly assembled team can’t be expected to perform miracles either. Last season proved that. With time and patience Arsene Wenger’s side can improve.

The transfer market has seen three relatively experienced international footballers arrive at the Emirates; Santi Cazorla, Lukas Podolski and Olivier Giroud. What can they do for the team?

Santi Cazorla has been in the Spanish setup for a number of years, allowing him to have the winning mentality that Spain has adopted in recent times. He helped Malaga finish fourth in his first season with the club. Widely talked about as the best player outside of Barcelona and Real Madrid last season, and named the signing of the summer by Sid Lowe last season, Cazorla is an archetypical Arsenal player: diminutive, fast and technically sound with both feet.

Lukas Podolski, an experienced German international already with over 100 caps, and goals a plenty for both club and country, scored 18 goals for relegation bound Köln last term and his directness can aid Arsenal’s at times methodical playing style. Podolski’s versatility brings more options for Arsenal, as he’s able to play through the middle, on the wing and behind the strikers.

Olivier Giroud is a late bloomer, as some has called him in footballing terms, as not too long ago was he plying his trade in France’s second division for a team named Tours. However, his meteoric rise has been just that — meteoric, as call ups to the French team and an incredibly season with Montpellier has seen his stock rise. He is very versatile in his abilities as a centre-forward. He can hold up the ball and be a big target man and also create interplay with teammates.

Three big signings, but with mixed opening day performances. Fans shouldn’t be alarmed or concerned by them. It’s their first real competitive fixture of the season. Therefore with time and possibly more signings, Arsenal may have their stock increased from top four outsiders to potential title challengers once again.

Although Giroud’s miss against Sunderland has been a huge talking point on social media, can a newly signed striker who’s been said to be “tired” when Wenger commentated in France’s recent friendly against Uruguay, be expected to be the finished article in his first English Premier League game?

Positivity still is aplenty in north London. With an opportunity to sign Nuri Sahin on a season-long loan from Real Madrid an option, and with the transfer window still very much open plus an interest in Yann M’Vila, the next few weeks should Arsenal supporters some optimism.

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53 Responses to Arsenal Supporters Need to be Patient

  1. John says:

    Most are. Most fans are aware that yesterday was only the first match of the season and that despite a draw against a very defensive Sunderland, there were positives and things can and most likely will look up.

    But to ask for ‘patience’ from a fanbase who has endured 7 years without silverware, a fanbase of a team that (let’s be entirely honest) is one of the most successful and storied club in English football is a bit tricky..

    Let’s hope that things will remain competitive. What made last season so forgettable and dreadful for Arsenal fans is how early and sustained the idea of not having any chance to win the league occurred. Arsenal fans expect to follow the team through a campaign of consistent battling and the hope to win the league shouldn’t die before February at the earliest.

    • Luis says:

      “Let’s hope that things will remain competitive. What made last season so forgettable and dreadful for Arsenal fans is how early the idea of not having any chance to win the league occurred. Arsenal fans expect to follow the team through a campaign of consistent battling and the hope to win the league shouldn’t die before February at the earliest.”

      THIS x999

    • Kurt says:

      You waited for 7 years only. I had seen our club going as low as 7 position in my years of association with the Gunners since 1983, have you? The players come and go, and that is part of their nature, excl. DB10. However, the loyalty that the Gunner had with their players, for example TA and PM, for their offences/behaviours, and RvP, for his injury, is not something that you can find in the other English Clubs. The ex-players are no longer there, but the Club wil be, and it will be even stronger if all fans stand by it. Criticise the Club for the right matters, not for personal vendetta.

      • John says:

        Are you agreeing or disagreeing…? Most fans do stand by the club, that’s my point. Resent the fact that you’re trying to be divisive by mentioning how long you’ve been supporting the club.

        Reread my post. The points I make are vital ones, and clear.

  2. Derren says:

    What a complete, total and utter waste of time this piece is.

  3. triple000zero says:

    I thought the title was a bit cheap but I read it all the same. For me it was an opening game, we made chances we kept the ball , we were confident in defence with Mr Cool Hand Mert having a good game. I see no reason why we cant win some trophies. The Boo Boys wonder why people with 2 yrs on their contracts would want to leave. You keep on Booing and when they leave blame the board and AW !!!!.
    Most of thjese players have only played one match together before this one and then went on international duties as far as I’m concerned I see a good team playing their second game together

    • Kurt says:

      Precisely. We did not win the match against Newcastle then in the opening day. But we do see a better Gunners than those of last year. Rvp was also there, but we still did not win. WE should rally behind the Gunners, and only expect them to perform to their best. I travelled to Beijing to see the Gunners played, and can understand why Song was sold – he wasn’t not there spiritually in my opinion. Anyway, we should stand behind the club, regardless of anything. If you are going to criticise the Club for not winning every game, perhaps it is time that you switch club, just like what some players did!

  4. Gary says:

    Ahmed, firstly, Eid Mubarak.

    I agree that Arsenal will eventually come good as they have a few new faces who are new to the EPL and it will take time for them to get used to the league and their teammates. However, most Arsenal fans are not going to be patient and that’s true for fans of other teams too. That’s just the way it is these days. Arsenal didn’t play poorly yesterday in their draw against Sunderland and had Giroud not miss his golden opportunity we may have been having a different discussion.

  5. gbewing says:

    As an overall team there is no question in my mind Arsenal is better than last year.

    • The Gaffer says:

      Based on what? Based on what we think how well Podolski, Giroud and Cazorla will do?

      According to Wenger today, Podolski isn’t even match fit.

      Cheers,
      The Gaffer

      • moses says:

        meow

        VP was the entire attack last year- they have more options, Wilshire coming back defense in much better shape and they have many more options to score and attack and likelihood of more players coming in. They sold Song at the perfect time-

        your one for deep analysis mate basing your comment on a post game loss throw away comment – they dominated play against a team playing for a point. The 3 new all were a knick from scoring all day even Podoloski was close early on. 1-0 and nothing being said -same old same old they they’re done talk blah blah blah

  6. Fall River Gooner says:

    Good perspective article but I do agree about the headline being shaky. My response in general is-rumor has it that there’s 37 more games remaining, no?

  7. Lyle says:

    It was just a draw. Arsenal looked okay though.

  8. Seminole Gunner says:

    I think Arsenal supporters are patient. It was mostly the media turning an opening match draw with half the attack either new or returning from a long injury into a mini disaster.

    We saw last year how bad things can get when you have to remake your team over the summer, and also how strong they can be after a settling in period.

  9. IanCransonsKnees says:

    Hiya, see you all next week! Love you Arsene, love you Aaron xxxx

    Much love to the Arsenal fans scattered around the globe xxx

    Yours in anticipation at rekindling our tempestuous relationship

    Stoke City

  10. Ahmed Yussuf says:

    Thanks Gary, I expected a bit more sense from football fans. Jumping to insane conclusion from the opening day is farcical. Patience has proven key to success for most teams and it shouldn’t be any different.

    It’s hard to say Arsenal’s better from last season at the moment, but they are more smart with signings and what not. A clear plan.

    In time Cazorla, Podolski and Giroud might be shown to be the difference from success and failure.

    Cheers,

    Ahmed

  11. Darren Angry says:

    PATIENT!!.. PATIENT!!!!…. How can you even utter such a word to Arsenal supporters? How many times have we heard it? Season in, season out… We are patient, what we want is clarity, honesty and a degree of respect from a board who, (give them their due, run a tidy financial outfit) Think that we are here to be lied to and treated like we are ignorant.
    I hate the word PATIENT, someone give me the word HONESTY coming the other way.

  12. Hozeys says:

    Yes it is easy 2 say “be patient”…..bt i believe the fans have been patient 4 far too long need results…7 years is a long period…so get th results n very importantly atleast a trophy…

  13. dano328 says:

    The media acts as if Van Persie never missed an open chance. He has missed plenty. I am very optimistic of what we have going forward. Sahin plus one more signing and it could be a year to at least get one of the four trophies.

  14. Djgooner says:

    keep up the positivity ahmed! Im forever a gunner through thick and then…good times are ahead!!!

  15. dust says:

    Is everyone new to the 38 game league season or something?

    The first 2 games of the season are going to be used for match fitness and synchronicity more than any pre-season game. The pace is night and day, putting in tactics at a pedestrian pace is one thing executing them at BPL pace on day one has never happened. Sure some teams can be better prepared but that does in know way mean a team is out, plus its football and as Greavsey used to say on saturdays, “Its a funny old game”.

    Last season the riots pushed week 1 Spurs home game against Everton, Modric was sulking from week 1-3 and in week two Spurs lost 3-0 away to Man Utd and then in week three 5-1 to City at home (granted the only thing that helped with that man city debacle was that was the same weekend the arse lost 8-2 to Man Utd). Spurs then went on a tear and ended up in the mix. My Point???

    This season is no different. Sure winning your opener would be great but it is a long season, its only until xmas can you see who is mustard and who is mayo.

    Thru 3 weeks last season the Asre had drawn with Newcastle 0-0, lost 2-0 to Liverpool and then lost 8-2 to Man utd, they still ended up squeaking out enough results to finish 3rd. So if after 3 games you have 1 point and a -8 goal difference you will be where you were last year with RVP, even now you have the same amount of points and GD (lets hope it does get significantly worse than that tho).

    Everyone, not just arse fans, need to relax, the bigger issue for the arse is Sagna if he is out longer than they think, then you will be in big trouble. Chlesea got off to a better start last year and ended up only 6th.

    I personally live in hope that the arse fail miserably and get relegated, I understand that maybe a bit biased being a Spurs fan but still.

    Remember….
    Swansea lost 4-0 last year and ended up doing well, Wolves won their first game last year and ended up bottom. Bolton beat QPR 4-0 and went down while QPR stayed up (perhaps swansea won’t befall the same fate).

  16. Jeffery says:

    Im an arsenal fan in america and I rally behind Arsene wenger…Its good to let RVP go cause he couldda left for free in the next transfer….And people do forget that RVP played for 7 straight seasons before shining…HE has left and its good for other players to come up…and for song, its a total good deal…we can now bring Yann M’villa who is better than alex song…Arsenal sold RVP cause we cant let him go for free…You all should understand it and wish him the best…About Giroud’s miss, do you remember RVP’s miss during the arsenal vs AC milan game in the emirates…Y’all should accept it…Some players are ungrateful and would leave even if they are granted 100million…. Players would leave and would regret how good they were treated at arsenal….Arsenal fans are very real not cunts like the CHELSEA(2004) and the CITY(2011) fans….I bleed red and thats for arsenal

    • Why? says:

      Hey idiot the only cxnt here is you, you plastic! City fans went 34 year without winning and having the players picked off by bigger clubs.
      Now Arsenal are having problems you need to be ‘patient’ because you haven’t won for 7 years? You follow Arsenal because of what they won obviously if they had done what City had for 34 years you wouldn’t want to know them, that’s not real is it!

      How you got away with that God knows!

      • MG says:

        If you’ve been supporting City for a long time, he clearly isn’t referring to you. City has an incredible load of bandwagon fans now and those are the people he is referring to. Anyone that is an Arsenal fan today is a fan thru and thru.. otherwise they would have become United, Chelsea or City fans a LONG time ago. He’s far from plastic.

        Actually READ what people write.

        • Why? says:

          No he’s actually a kettle calling a pot black! ‘Anyone that is an Arsenal fan today is a fan thru and thru’ and why is this? You think because they sold their best players over a few years because he hasn’t jumped ship yet makes him some sort of true fan? They are in the champions league every year aren’t they? The man is unreal, he follows Arsenal for a reason and that reason has ZERO connections to the club yet he sits on a high horse slagging others of for doing exactly what he did, people abroad may choose a team, I have no problem with that but to speak how that wally has is not right there is no different in jumping on a band wagon now or 7 years ago. To think otherwise is hypocritical.

          I love that you’re allowed to watch few games on FSC and buy a DVD and fall in love with the rest being history etc, but if a Chelsea or a City fan does that apparently they’re all cxnts and have no right to!! If you wish to call others fake for doing exactly what you yourself did than that your problem.

          I think it’s you and your some what cross eyed views that need looking at mate! And as for your pal he really needs to think and understand before he talks utter bollaxks, and attacks other fans for no reason what so ever. I mean what has this article got to do with Chelsea or City fans or supporters?

          • MG says:

            “You think because they sold their best players over a few years because he hasn’t jumped ship yet makes him some sort of true fan?”

            …… That’s precisely what I’m saying. A bandwagoning, glory hunting fan would have become a fan of Chelsea, United or most recently City long ago.. That is my cardinal point. Read 100 times if that’s how long it takes for you to understand it. I don’t slag EVERYONE that’s a Chelsea, United, or City that may have become fans the same way I have (and for the 1,000,000 time, being Americans, we CLEARLY cannot have the same LUXURY connections you as a Englishman can.. A high horse conception on your part, if there ever was one, and one you unfortunately repeat time after time…), but those that merely “support” a club because they are successful are the kind of ‘fans’ that he (not my “pal”… just someone I agree with and am sticking up for) is referring to..

            Let me repeat that:

            those that merely “support” a club because they are successful are the kind of ‘fans’ that he is referring to..
            those that merely “support” a club because they are successful are the kind of ‘fans’ that he is referring to..
            those that merely “support” a club because they are successful are the kind of ‘fans’ that he is referring to..
            those that merely “support” a club because they are successful are the kind of ‘fans’ that he is referring to..
            those that merely “support” a club because they are successful are the kind of ‘fans’ that he is referring to..

            Arsenal fans, as of today and especially after the ridiculousness that was the beginning of last season and the rest of the season for that matter, are NOT that.. They are fans, clearly, until they die.

            Understand where I am coming from. Respond cordially or agree to disagree.

            Cheers

            MG from New York City

          • MG says:

            “there is no different in jumping on a band wagon now or 7 years ago”

            And how exactly is Arsenal, of all big clubs, a “bandwagon” as of 2012… How?.. A bandwagon for the club that is, in many circles, the laughing/pitying stock of the Premiership? It doesn’t work that way. Any Arsenal fan that is a gloryhunter at heart would have jumped ship, to use your phrase, long ago. That is my point.

            I have nothing but RESPECT for any Chelsea, Barcelona, Real Madrid, United, City, Liverpool etc fan and they DO have the right to be supporters (I NEVER said they didn’t, as you unfairly presumed), assuming that they are proper FANS and not people who are clueless gloryhunters like Chelsea fans who became City fans the second Chelsea didn’t win the title, and vice versa. This is why he, if you noticed, added the years 2004 and 2011 for Chelsea and City respectively.

            On and on and on.

          • Why? says:

            ‘those that merely “support” a club because they are successful are the kind of ‘fans’ that he is referring to..’

            Those fans are also Arsenal fans! They started exactly the same way as Chelsea and City fans what is it you don’t get????? I’ll be a Pratt and repeat that.

            Those fans are also Arsenal fans! They started exactly the same way as Chelsea and City fans what is it you don’t get?????
            Those fans are also Arsenal fans! They started exactly the same way as Chelsea and City fans what is it you don’t get?????
            Those fans are also Arsenal fans! They started exactly the same way as Chelsea and City fans what is it you don’t get?????
            Those fans are also Arsenal fans! They started exactly the same way as Chelsea and City fans what is it you don’t get?????

            But you know what I haven’t seen Chelsea an City fans calling them cxnts for absolutely no reason at all!

            ‘And how exactly is Arsenal, of all big clubs, a “bandwagon” as of 2012… How?’ Really? And there was me thinking they finished in the Champions league positions year after year and challenged for the odd tin pot here and there, I must be mistaken. Wigan and Wolves who you seem to think it would be bad to follow as people may think you were trying desperately not to be a glory hunter WTF!! A lot of Their fans in the US is there? I don’t think so, do you? I wonder why that is? It because they have zero chance of winning anything unlike Chelsea, Utd, City, Arsenal, Spurs and Liverpool, I wonder what the top 6 supported clubs are over there? I reckon they are the 6 I just mentioned. Of course glory hunting doesn’t come into it does it? LOL. Not that this bothers me one bit, but when you and your like minded pal start calling others for doing exactly what you did (that is what you did however you try and dress it up) then you are a total hypocrite!

            I Wonder why he didn’t add Arsenal 2004 as it’s them who won the league that year not Chelsea I guess it was OK to glory hunt for Arsenal though! By the way the whole team was bought with the exception of Cole and it wasn’t cheep!

      • MMG says:

        In other words, I am like him, American Gooner, who became a fan after watching a few games on FSC and then I went out and bought the ‘Arsenal Official History DVD’ and the rest was history. Fell in love with the club and the players, as I was simultaneously falling in love with the game, the game I more or less grew up with, despite being American, since my dad is Colombian.

        So yes, the “success and storied history” that John makes reference to in the first comment of this thread DID have to do with my becoming a Gooner, but not in a United kind of way. I didn’t need to follow a team with 12 titles in my lifetime. Nor did I need or want to follow a club like Wigan or Wolves JUST because they aren’t successful (which is just as bad as bandwagoning in my eyes, since it is equally as deliberate)..

        When I became an Arsenal fan, they were not defending champions of anything, and hadn’t been since 2005-06. So to call me or Jeffery ‘plastic’ is to imply that BECAUSE Arsenal have not won anything (as opposed to supporting them because they HAVE) we have switched allegiances to a winning club… which we. have. not. THAT would be plastic. But we stick to the club that we have chosen to love and support. That deserves credit in my eyes, and I don’t particularly demand it.. But it deserves it.

        Understand where someone is coming from before you insult them. Please.

        Cheers.

        MG from NY

  17. Cody says:

    Arsenal will be fine.
    If the first few games of the season foreshadowed anything at all, Wolves would have finished top 10 last season, rather than dead last. Wolves started W,W,D. Arsenal started last season L,L,D, and at the start of October they only had like 7 or 8 points. The first few games mean nothing, in my opinion. Every team has players that are new to the PL and have yet to adjust, in addition, new transfers have arrived, and haven’t exactly learned to work with the team yet.

    In regards to the transfer saga, the only thing that bothers me is that I feel like they could have gotten a little more than 15 for Song.

  18. Brett says:

    Seems like it’s always doom and gloom when it comes to articles about Arsenal. They earned a point on Saturday, which is something 7 teams couldn’t do on the weekend. Where’s the story about Liverpool losing 3-0 to West Brom?

    Also, there are still 111 points up for grabs. It only took Man City 89 points to claim the title last season.

    • MMG says:

      It’s only doom and gloom because Arsenal are EXPECTED to do well.. It is a kind of back handed compliment :)

      Good times are coming our way.

  19. emma says:

    Please when are these kind of articles stop. Are you paid, to humour gunners fans. AFC as we all truely know is a farm club for all big clubs. They actually lack ambitions. They hide under the cloak of saying they cannot challenge the money bags financially yet the 4th richest club with wenger among the highest paid managers. No legacy, no continuity, no consistency. Vermeleen will be sold next season with wilshere,Ox and carzola next in line.Even, if you negotiate well for Wenger’s shoes and suits in the emirate stadium on AFC’s matchday Wenger will sell them all to you in as much as money will flow into is pants as he has already sold his suits. They prefer money to honours.

    Its evident that Wenger is now a career killer. He is best used as a stepping stone. After using him as a stepping stone you look for places where there is legacy, consistency and continuity. AFC is now a collection of disjointed players. Most of them are average players. The only legacy in AFC is Wenger himself and no more. No player has stayed up to 10 years in AFC. Consider Man u, Chelsea to start with in EPL. Soon the fan base will start depleting.

    • Cody says:

      Is who paid to humour gunners fans?? The author?
      The author is an Arsenal fan and submitted an article for consideration.
      He doesn’t work for EPL talk.
      If you’d like an article about your team, why don’t you write one?
      The way it sounds, you could write a lengthy one about your hatred for all things Arsenal.

  20. Frill Artist says:

    Opening day can say a bit about how the season will turn out for a club.

  21. MG says:

    Why?…

    “Those fans are also Arsenal fans! They started exactly the same way as Chelsea and City fans what is it you don’t get?????”

    I am speaking as of right now.. Arsenal is successful right now? Making the Champions League isn’t ‘success’ in the way I’m talking about.. City winning the league successful.. Chelsea winning the CHAMPIONS LEAGUE is successful.. What don’t YOU understand about what I’m saying to you?.. He was referring to Arsenal fans RIGHT NOW.. AS OF TODAY.. He said they are ‘real’.. as in they don’t jump ship, but stick to the club that YES, has won in the past. I ADMITTED that when I CLEARLY referred to them as one of the ‘most successful and storied clubs in the league”…

    Agree to disagree because you’re going to keep misunderstanding me.
    Have a good one, man.

    Cheers,

    MG from NY

    • Why? says:

      ‘Arsenal is successful right now?’ YES! Wowzers you’re hard work remember ‘Champions league’ and the top 4? is that not the success that has kept you there for 7 years? Are the Management, owners and fans not over the moon each time they finish there? Now have Wigan and Wolves finish there much? You know the Answer to this, again are there many Wolves and Wigan followers in America? You know the answer this also. Now I ask you why not? I also ask you if there would be if they finished in a Champs league places a few times? You know there would be, see Spurs as proof! That is your answer. If you don’t get that this time well what can I do? Like it or not you are no different to Chelsea supporters from 7 years ago or today the same as City, at some point you actually thought ‘I will follow Arsenal’ because a) They won. b) They had a great chance of winning. That is no different to what newer some Chelsea or City have done in the States. YOU ARE THE SAME, yet you have the cheek to give it out like you do as if you’re a member of some sort of aristocracy, you’re attempting to be a football snob and it’s hilarious!

      You think that as of today there are now 600K more Chelsea and City fans but you don’t seem to think these fans watched FSC and bought a DVD etc. Time is irrelevant, today is going to be yesterday, last month or 20 years ago! The fans that follow those clubs today were no different to those that did the same with Arsenal. It’s a funny thing when you say Arsenal are going through hard times and that they could all go elsewhere this very mentality shows the difference between fans and supporters! And that it seems is something you just don’t seem to get!

      ‘So it’s not about HOW you got into the club, but whether you stick with them’ Oh right so your saying that these Chelsea and City fans will all go when the don’t win the league or Europe? Do me a favor! For Arsenal there is nothing to be patient about! Your team is at the top!!!! Again with this 7 year rubbish, try never getting any where and having the clubs take your best players for decades! Arsenal are a perfect side to try and avoid the band wagon tag but that just as Liverpool now are, but the fact they are chosen for this is the same ‘They will come good’ as smaller clubs can’t’
      Your pal was coming from a place all hypocrites come from! For a start how do you know he hasn’t started following Arsenal when they got out of the Champs league group stage last year? You don’t, I’ll take a chance and say he followed them after 2006 which puts him behind those so called cxnt Chelsea fans! So surely he’s the cxnt if that’s the case yes? You are no better than the fans of others, talk about delusions of grandeur!

      • MG says:

        You keep misunderstanding me….

        I admitted almost everything you’re accusing me of. Not attempting to be a ‘snob’, at all and resent that your continual misunderstanding of my points is causing you to think that..

        I said I only have respect for fans of ANY ANY ANY ANY team be it Manchester United or Stevenage or Hereford as long as they love and stick by their team through thick and thin, like your City fans.

        Yes Arsenal are successful, but ALL that guy was making reference to when calling Arsenal fans ‘real’ is the same thing he would meant if talking about Liverpool fans: someone that just doesn’t choose a winning team because there are winning. There are undoubtedly fans like this, in almost every major sport, and Premier League football is no different. I don’t need to know these people individually to know they exist. Making Champions League every year is applauded by people who are already fans, but not by someone wanting to BECOME a fan or someone wanting a team to “root” for. These people pick the likes of Chelsea because they just won the Champions League or City because they just won the league. What YOU’RE saying that is Arsenal is the SAME since they won in 2004.. People became fans the same way. I know this.. I am aware, thank you. But what I’M saying that regardless of that fact, Arsenal has not won anything since 2005 and there are plenty of people who jumped ship. So.. People who are Arsenal fans TODAY are fans through and through. They don’t NEED consistent trophy wins, they just love the club. But not everyone thinks like that. That’s all I’m saying.

        ” It’s a funny thing when you say Arsenal are going through hard times and that they could all go elsewhere this very mentality shows the difference between fans and supporters! And that it seems is something you just don’t seem to get!”

        If by fans you mean fickle people who are only looking for entertainment and are likely to switch allegiances, and by supporters you mean die in the wool types who live and will perish by the name of the club, then you essentially agree with me. I am in the latter. Sorry I wasn’t born in Islington, but I’m Arsenal and will always be Arsenal, through relegation and through success, through heaven and hell.

        “You think that as of today there are now 600K more Chelsea and City fans but you don’t seem to think these fans watched FSC and bought a DVD etc.”

        I never said that… And if you think I implied that, sorry I misled you. If anything I said I’m not slagging all City and Chelsea fans.. Not sure you read that.. I’m being very clear in my posts..

        We can go all day and I would only hope that you can at least understand where I’m coming from. I am making it clear that I understand your points, you just don’t seem to understand mine. What you are doing is seemingly overlooking my statements by accusing me of things I have just previously admitted or alluded to.
        Agree to disagree, man.

        Have a good one. Best of luck.

      • MG says:

        “Like it or not, you are no different to Chelsea supporters from 7 years ago or today the same as City, at some point you actually thought ‘I will follow Arsenal’ because a) They won. b) They had a great chance of winning.”

        I have not denied this… and in fact have alluded to it very very clearly in the post where I mentioned how I became a fan through the DVD.. Reread if you have to. This is what I mean when I say you seem to overlook what I say and accuse me unjustly..

        I don’t consider myself “plastic”. Plastic, to me, is someone who chooses Arsenal because they are a successful club, BUT the second they realize Arsenal has a very small chance of winning the league AND realize that they have not won in 7 years they choose to be a ‘fan’ of City because they just won the league or Chelsea because they just won the Champions League. How am I plastic if I chose to support the club when they hadn’t won anything and have still not won anything. I would have chosen any club OTHER than Arsenal. But I didn’t. I’m not plastic. It’s not ALL about success for me. It’s not “I only root for the winning team” with me. There are people that simply can’t say the same. These are the people that aren’t ‘real’.

        How simpler can I put that.. But I’m sure you’ll accuse me of something I already admitted to in your response haha.

  22. MG says:

    Why?….

    So it’s not about HOW you got into the club, but whether you stick with them (aka BEING PATIENT, which is the title/point of the article) that makes you a true fan. Most Arsenal fans, as of today, are TRUE fans because despite the club being 7 years with silverware (fighting for silverware doesn’t = silverware i.e. Champions League) they still love the team, yes the SUCCESSFUL team, they chose to support.

    Very simple logic and in plain English.
    Understand where he was and I am coming from, for the love of God.

    Cheers again.

    MG

    • MG says:

      Why?……

      In other words, I’m not slagging EVERY City or Chelsea fan.. Only the ones that, had they been Arsenal fans, would have abandoned the club for City or Chelsea, since they are actually WINNING things as of late. That’s what Jeffery meant when he called Arsenal fans ‘real’ and the City (2011) and Chelsea (2004) “fans” he is referring to are the gloryhunters and bandwagoners who jump ship the second a club isn’t winning and latch onto the winning clubs. Simple as.

      MG

      • Why? says:

        And where are these fans? That’s what you don’t get you are telling me what would happen! You’re pretending to be some sort of mad psychic who know exactly what they would do! Who will jump this ship mystic meg? LOL. You cannot just say ‘they’re all plastics but we are not they will all leave if they don’t win’ and ‘we follow for the right reasons they don’t’ UNBELIVEABLE! Can’t you see this?

        • MG says:

          There are fans of this type in every major sports spanning every league in the world. Again, I don’t have to know them personally. They exist and these fans are the ones I’m talking about, at least. Maybe not what the other poster was referring to.

          All I’m saying is, don’t you think people who crave trophies and instant glory would have become Chelsea and City fans by now? If someone truly crave those things, they wouldn’t be Arsenal fans.. And that says something about people who truly commit themselves to Arsenal. That is my main point. That’s all. In a nutshell.

          If you can’t understand that, I’m literally done with debating. If you want to consider yourself a ‘winner’ in it all, it’s all good.

          Enjoy the season.

        • MG says:

          Here’s another thought for you, Why?

          Assuming you already have zero respect for me, would you respect me less or more if I abandoned Arsenal & chose to follow and support your City because they just won the league and are a very very rich and powerful club… OR.. if I continued to love and follow and live/breathe my Arsenal because they’re who I chose to support?

          If you would lose the little or no respect you have for me if I became a City fan just because they won, then you’re essentially agreeing with me. If you would gain respect or at least agree with remaining a Gooner because one never switches allegiances and once you choose a club, you stick with that club, then again you’re essentially agreeing with me.

          • MG says:

            Christ hahah.. I’m going to add something because I can already see your response.

            I myself CAN and DO respect fans of United and City and Chelsea etc that have been fans for ages or even if they become fans very recently, but as long as they stick to their club. There ARE, whether you want to believe it or not, club nomads… people that essentially only ‘follow’ and are ‘fans’ love clubs that are currently winning and doing well. Arsenal is clearly not in this elk. Perhaps they will be again, when they win the league again after all these years. Then there will be tons of new Arsenal fans. I understand that point of yours. I do. I became an Arsenal fan when they hadn’t won anything in years, so I wasn’t fresh on the wagon, but I still stick to my club. And I respect anyone that does. They are ‘real’.

        • MG says:

          Sorry but I can’t help myself.. here’s another quote of yours where you misconstrue what I say:

          “Wigan and Wolves who you seem to think it would be bad to follow as people may think you were trying desperately not to be a glory hunter WTF!!”

          I never mentioned anything about ‘caring what people think’ or that it would be ‘bad to follow Wolves or Wigan BECAUSE of what people think’… You debating is unfair if you misconstrue what others say..

          I merely meant to imply that it is just AS BAD to choose a smaller club for the mere fact that they are small as it is to choose a bigger club because they are big and win things. It is too deliberate, too self-righteous. This is my excuse if someone asks me “Why not a smaller club?”… Because it wasn’t Southampton that I saw television, that’s why. Sorry. I wish I was born in Wrexham so that I can be a proper Wrexham fan. I wish I took college classes abroad in Yeovil so that I can be a Yeovil Town fan.. I even wish I was born in Islington so that I can be a “proper” Gooner.. But it doesn’t work that way for someone not born in the UK. It just doesn’t. Simply impossible and it’s unfair to use that against us outside the United Kingdom. But at least I stick with my club. I certainly didn’t choose them JUST BECAUSE they were winning and I won’t support another just because they are not winning silverware, the main purpose in any sport worldwide. To win trophies, not just compete for them and gain money.

          Good luck to your City this season Why?, and let’s hope it ends up being a very entertaining season for both of us.

          Cheers.

  23. Ahmed Yussuf says:

    I wrote this piece because I believed Arsenal have the ability to do more than some people suggest. A club can’t be expected to win a game right after selling two first team players. They’ve signed three players to add to their squad, all of which need time to bed in. And a few more transfers that have been rumoured to come, e.g. Nuri Sahin. So if he was to play almost as good as he played with Dortmund imagine the Arsenal midfield; Sahin, Arteta/Wilshere(when fit) and Cazorla. That’s a pretty good midfield if I do say so myself.

    Please don’t get into the debate on who’s a ‘bandwagon’ fan, because its so hard to figure out that via internet. Let’s just enjoy the season at hand and football as a whole, yeah?

    Cheers,

    Ahmed

    • MG says:

      Agreed.

      And perhaps I was wrong in sticking up for my fellow Gooner when he called Chelsea and City fans ‘c*nts’, but I only did so because I thought he was referring to the non-passionate and gloryhunting kind that switch clubs or only care about their teams casually, i.e. only caring when they win or rooting for whichever teams win (hence his addition of the years 2004 and 2011.

      Sure “Arsenal (2004)” is just as appropriate, and that is Why?’s point. Understandable.

      Let’s move on and enjoy the season :)

      Cheers.

  24. Ahmed Yussuf says:

    We can all agree on that, lovely!

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