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James Perch and Pepe Reina Incident Demonstrates the Flaws in Modern Soccer

pepe reina James Perch and Pepe Reina Incident Demonstrates the Flaws in Modern Soccer

Yesterday’s Newcastle United against Liverpool match demonstrated the flaws in modern soccer. The simulation by James Perch after a clash of heads between him and Pepe Reina was a prime example of this. The blatant deception of officials seems to be the latest fad in soccer, and more specifically English football. The universal opinion in the English media is that diving has been a foreign influence. However, in this case it was an Englishman deceiving the match official to gain the upper hand.

The league continues to be subject to simulation, which in recent times has mostly been directed toward Luis Suarez. At times, the influx of foreign players in the league may be seen as scapegoats. However, the nature of the modern footballer personifies deceit, greed and disrespect. The egotistical and overpaid nature of these footballers demonstrates the complacency which has grown.

The annals of soccer history display the contrast of the current soccer etiquette. The old principles which typified what soccer stood for may be put in jeopardy as a result of the current breed of footballers. Not only has diving and deception created a sour taste in the mouth of soccer fans everywhere, but it has changed the perception of soccer to outsiders looking in. The advert of soccer has been severely dented and will continue to be unless simulation is outlawed.

The dehumanizing aspects of acts of simulation are immense. This can be conveyed through the inept ability of footballers to distinguish wrongful acts they’ve displayed. Followed by that blatant girlish fall, which demonstrates the stupidity of the moment putting the game into disrepute. However, simulation is ever growing, match officials are continuously deceived, and the decisive decisions of a soccer match aren’t made by the play of soccer, but the distasteful acts of a player.

Soccer’s transformation has been rapid. However, in this field it might not have been a wanted change. The publicized acts of footballers through social media allows for soccer fans to accept and create excuses for these atrocities. But these individuals must be accountable for their acts. The Joey Barton’s, the Andy Carroll’s and the Mario Balotelli’s of this world must not be given a free pass.

Also, the acts in recent seasons of footballers to swear, bemuse and hound officials are unacceptable. The perpetual intimidation allowed in soccer, in all shapes and sizes, takes away the pureness of the game. Not only has the perception of soccer been altered as a result, but it has slowly created a resentment and an overtly hatred toward footballers in the public eye. Examples such as Joey Barton tweeting about the internal affairs of Queens Park Rangers, and likes of Andy Carroll storming off the pitch, swearing to both managers on the touchline.

Soccer has been through severe alterations in the past half century, resonating through the acts of players, managers and all affiliated with soccer. May this change continue or previous soccer etiquette return? Questions of this matter may be posed and answers may vary. However, the acts of the modern footballer must be addressed and changes made. If not where will soccer see itself, as a unappealing and distasteful sport? I for one do not know.

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67 Responses to James Perch and Pepe Reina Incident Demonstrates the Flaws in Modern Soccer

  1. Paul says:

    “The blatant deception of officials seems to be the latest fad in soccer, and more specifically English football. The universal opinion in the English media is that diving has been a foreign influence. However, in this case it was an Englishman deceiving the match official to gain the upper hand.” – - Doesn’t detract from it being a European influence whether the player who dived was an Englishman or not.

    “The league continues to be subject to simulation, which in recent times has mostly been directed toward Luis Suarez.” – - A little bit harsh singling out one player, who at the time was already in the headlines so it was highlighted a bit more than other cases. Admittedly he is a fool for it but still there are also plenty of others who can be held accountable from all teams and leagues.

    Sadly these days the players know it takes the slightest of contact to be considered valid for going down so they’re fully entitled to do it. What should be outlawed is over dramatic behaviour such as that of Perch yesterday when he went down holding his face. Funny how he got straight back up and was fine to play on once the red had been shown really. Then again, they’re all paid absurd amounts of money so could they not just be men and get on with the game? If you’re genuinely brought down you’ll be rewarded with a penalty but to go looking for it makes you look very silly indeed especially in cases where a red card is rescinded.

  2. Neil says:

    Agreed this is a huge problem, and is completely disrespectful to the game, the fans, and staff of both teams. It needs to be stopped, but there is no easy solution to this. In a win-at-all-costs atmosphere, there’s always going to be the fear that a violent game-changing act is going to go unnoticed or unpunished by the ref, and always the temptation to cook up a situation to gain an advantage. The culture of the sport needs to change before the play acting is stopped.

  3. Ahmed Yussuf says:

    Paul it’s great you can disagree about the article that’s the point of epl talk to gather differing perceptions of football am I correct?

  4. John R says:

    I agree, as a newcastle supporter, that Perch didnt cover himself in glory with going down like that. But if youre gonna single out one Englishman, why not mention another Englishman who previous dove in the game to try to draw a penalty. A little unfair to rip Perch for what he did while ignoring Carroll’s blatant dive. Both were in the wrong. Dont pick on one.

    “blatant girlish fall”? Good to see sexism finally making its way to EPLTalk. Ahmed, you seem to be a decent writer and have a decent point, despite my criticism above, but you lowered yourself with that choice of words.

    • Tagomi says:

      For the record, I am also a Newcastle supporter. Perch theatrically over-reacted to un-football like behavior, and Carroll overreacted to football like behavior. In this case, I’m willing to give instances like Perch’s a pass. However, there is definitely a problem with feigning injury. In the same game Ben Arfa took a dive a little too easily as it appeared he wanted the penalty more than a goal. I think we can all agree that it’s frustrating on both sides of the ball. Is the threat of being fined after the game, or carded during the game for taking a dive and feigning injury enough? If not, what else can be done?

  5. Ahmed Yussuf says:

    In hindsight I should’ve used different words to express the point. But I’ll take the criticism on the chin and take it as a learning curve. I didn’t mention Carroll because Perch’s dive seemed so blatant and stupid, whereas Carroll spoke of a man scared to take a shot and try and get a penalty to place the burden onto somebody else.

  6. John R says:

    Ahmed, thanks for the response. My comment wasnt meant to rip you or anything like that. Glad you are handling it as you are. I know i might be in the minority regarding the choice of words, but I had to say something.

    As for the actual content of the article. I think its hard to justify saying that what perch did was “blatant and stupid” while Carroll’s was almost justified since he was scared. Both were blatant and stupid. In my opinion, Carroll shouldnt be given a free pass because he is having serious confidence issues. It was a blatant and stupid dive regardless of his mindset.

  7. Ahmed Yussuf says:

    Your welcome, I welcome critisism. And I understand but think about the severity of the dive comes to intention so does a lot of things in life. If Perch’s intent was to get a player sent off, appose to Carroll’s intent to pass off the responsibility, there’s obvious differences. Also, I did mention about Carroll Walking of the pitch whilst swearing.

  8. John R says:

    Fair enough. I just disagree that the one’s intention was wrong while the other’s was justifiable.

    And you did give some stick to Carroll later. I recognize that. I just think that both instances (the dive and the way he left the pitch) were worthy of criticism. But thats just my viewpoint.

  9. Ahmed Yussuf says:

    Fair enough, I just think that ones intent is always a issue in most things. And it’s great we have differing opinions and viewpoints on football it makes the game great.

    • John R says:

      Agreed. There’s no right answer on this. Just our differing viewpoints. and theres nothing wrong with a good, civil debate.

  10. Paul says:

    I’ve only just read this part back. You’ve obviously never played or watched a Sunday league game? From that level up it’s just men who LOVE their sport and if they want to swear here and there, so what? Somebody swearing on the pitch simply cannot be put on a par with somebody like Joey Barton who goes out of his way to make his own views heard in the public domain (via Twitter mostly). Some of the stuff he tweets is ridiculous and should be kept internal but he can’t help himself, he’s always been a loose cannon! The majority of swearing goes unnoticed on TV because you can’t hear it but believe me when you’re sat in the paddocks right next to the pitch you hear every word and it’s commonplace… there’s nothing wrong with it!

    As for Andy Carroll storming off the pitch, it was his choice to do so. You can’t change his character and instinctive nature to something it’s not. It was always going to be a big day for him returning back to Newcastle and it obviously got the better of him. Don’t know about you but I never heard a swear word coming through my TV, I’m only aware of him swearing at Pardew saying it wasn’t a dive and then generally swearing in the direction of the Liverpool bench area. How accurate it is, I don’t know, but who really cares anyway? They’re grown men so if they want to utter the odd word who is going to stop them? Besides anything else it shows how passionate they are and how much the game affects them!

  11. Teddy K. says:

    Watching the sport from the US, the apparent diving, acting and writhing on the ground in pain makes the game difficult to watch. I don’t know how someone cleans up the “culture” when the perpetrators are continually rewarded. The EPL and other sports governing bodies should review red cards after matches. They should rescind those resulting from diving and suspend the writhers and fakers. As we’re talking about a 3 game suspension for Reina and there has been no suspension talk for James Perch, nothing is going to change.

    • Paul says:

      Open it up like that though and you’re faced with all sorts of problems. Say a player was given a suspension AFTER the match upon official review but he got a goal DURING the match after the incident in question took place. You’d argue he shouldn’t have been on the pitch to score but what would happen then? They can’t replay games. If they want to do anything and keep the flow of the game in place, they need to seriously look at current technology. Broadcasters have a multitude of cameras at grounds these days and are able to offer up replays etc almost instantly. Why not use something along those lines for serious incidents when the referee genuinely isn’t sure or didn’t see? If he did then he acts on his own instinct, as now. Debate…

  12. Ahmed Yussuf says:

    Carroll in recent months swore to officials, managers, and I don’t know who else. I don’t think it should be tolerated. Should young footballers start swearing when things don’t go there way, should they intimidate officials when they don’t get the right call? There is a knock on affect with all of what sportsmen and women do and they are role models for the younger contingent watching and learning the game. So I dont see it’s right for Carroll to act in that manner.

    • Paul says:

      So what if he swears? Where about in the world do you personally live? If it’s here in the UK then I’m shocked at your reaction to it. It’s such a passionate game and through the ages it’s always been the same. Doesn’t make anything any less because somebody swears here and there. There’s a very big difference between intimidating officials and questioning him when you firmly believe you’re in the right.

      Carroll could have dealt with his emotions a lot better, I agree, but who’s going to do anything about it? You can’t hang him up because he got overly passionate!

  13. Frill Artist says:

    YAWN…another bitter liverpool fan. Cut your losses and move on. You lost to a better team.

    • Paul says:

      YAWN right back at you. Have I ONCE said we didn’t lose to a better team? Where did you pull that little gem out from? Liverpool didn’t deserve to win yesterday – I’ve said that all along. They don’t deserve to finish in the top half of the table they’ve been that embarrassing. Care to explain your misguided comment?

  14. Ahmed Yussuf says:

    So overtly passionate footballers are excused? Won’t this create precedence? I thought the game was advertising fair play? Sportsmanship were does swearing and intimidation fall into those categories?

    • Paul says:

      For swearing?! Of course they are! It’s part of the culture – always has been and always will be. Football isn’t a sport like cricket or golf or any of the others, it’s 2 solid halves of 45 minutes when tensions are frayed. How is swearing going against fair play? How does swearing go along with intimidation? There’s a vast difference between a player going to an official in a threatening manner or a bunch of them doing it but when the referee makes a decision he expects a comeback and a challenge. Don’t you think if the referee was intimidated or found all this foul language to be too obscene he’d be flashing red cards all over the place? If a bit of swearing isn’t for you then you’re in the wrong game unfortunately. Like I said earlier, it’s a whole different world watching a game of football on TV to how it actually is either playing or being there in person.

  15. Fog says:

    No longer original, but here is my two cents (not Canadian):

    Simulation of one sort or another is not something new brought in by the “modern” game. It has been around “forever.” I have observed it since I began watching soccer with the NASL…the original NASL…in 1974 as a season ticket holder of the original San Jose Earthquakes. I remember players like Karl Heinz Granitza or Paul Child rolling around at midfield writhing in pain as if both legs were broken only to get up to make a mad dash toward goal as soon as there was a turnover and an opportunity to score a goal.

    I have witnessed simulation in the 1994 World Cup, especially with Argentina. And who can forget Rivaldo’s simulation in the 2002 World Cup?? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVTw1ysCgBY)

    Player simulation and overreaction to gain an advantage is not a new phenomenon, it is simply more publicized because of the amount of media coverage (72 different camera angles), twitter, YouTube…and that the financial stakes have risen so much.

    The referees are already issuing yellow cards for every tackle…I don’t know if there is much more that they can do. The common philosophy appears to be “If you’re not cheating, you’re not trying.”

    To me, the situation is compounded when idiots like Dalglish, to a degree, condone his player’s actions. He doesn’t punish them for their actions only the way that they demonstrate them… “We have not got a problem with people showing desperation or disappointment or frustration. But we need to channel it better than we have done.” Why doesn’t he say “it is absolutely unacceptable the way Andy Carroll reacted to being substituted and it will cost him playing time” or “Reina was stupid to retaliate…now he has potentially cost his team his services for three matches” or “Suarez is an absolute idiot and always will be.”

    If anything is ever going to change, and I doubt that it will, management needs to stand up to the players, the FA needs to stand up to the players, the referees need to stand up to the players. And most of all we, the fans, need to stand up to the players. Stop the unearned player adulation; stop paying over inflated ticket and broadcast prices; stop paying over inflated kit prices.

    It’s all ego and money.

    @Paul: “Somebody swearing on the pitch simply cannot be put on a par with somebody like Joey Barton who goes out of his way to make his own views heard in the public domain (via Twitter mostly).”

    Or you posting to EPL Talk.

    • Paul says:

      Fog – nice one for that comment. Was really witty of you. Thank god our league isn’t run by people like yourself is all I can say.

  16. Jack says:

    Quick question – do you think Reina should have been sent off?

  17. Paul says:

    Intenet was establisehd once Reina went at Perch with a head but. Even if he doesnt make contact, the intenet to harm is there and red card is justified.

    If Perch had gone in with a tackle on Suarez with his boot studs up and didnt touch Suarez he would have gotten a red card.

    Yes, Perch’s theatrics were not necessary, but Reina shows his intenet to harm and got a red card for it.

    Up the Toon!

    • Clampdown says:

      But was it really intent to harm? If Reina wanted to headbutt him, he easily could have followed through. He stopped. A really stupid act on his part, but the whole interpretation of “violent conduct” is so ridiculous in football to begin with. One guy barely touches another’s face and he gets sent off and suspended three matches. Another makes a dangerous tackle, injures an opposing player, and often gets a yellow and sometimes nothing at all. the next time a guy raises his hand like he’s going to hit an opponent does he get red carded for intent?

      Perch should be embarrassed. So should Carroll. Pathetic behavior all around yesterday.

  18. Will says:

    They should institute a disciplinary review tribunal specifically for

    A) Simulation. When it’s clear from replays that a player has simulated (and were not punished e.g. yellow card following a dive in penalty box), they should be banned for 1-3 games. Severe, but the only way to get results.

    B) Goading/disrepect to refs. Bans should also be instituted for this. Refs generally do not get enough respect from players and are constantly harangued and screamed at throughout matches. Refs shouldn’t ever have to backpedal from groups of angry players that constantly approach them. Severe penalties for this would also be the only way to get results.

    • Guy says:

      I have never understood why rugby refs never have to put up with any crap, but somehow soccer refs do. A few well-placed yellow cards would put an end to it. Either they are afraid to do so or have been told not to.

      Player behavior is getting worse, if anything. We now have them “pulling cards” on fouls much like NFL players “throw flags”, in addition to the “offside wave” on nearly every through ball. It is ludicrous.

      • John R says:

        for one thing, the rugby refs are mic’d up. I think that would help. Players will know they are being recorded. I dont know if they do this in rugby, but if a player is caught on the mic abusing the ref, that player get banned a game or two.

        • Paul says:

          Sky Sports has already changed football into something beyond recognition from years gone by and they already dictate what day and what time a match can be played so you’d then want to further change things by effectively limiting what a player would naturally say? How about they keep their cameras and microphones away and just focus on what we’re all there for – the football? I’m sorry but a player would never say ‘Oh excuse me ref but I disagree with that decision’. Maybe it’s an English thing, I genuinely don’t know, but it would always just be ‘oh f**k off!’ on the pitch. Obviously I have no idea where you’re from or anything like that but if you’ve ever been to a football match you’ll know what it’s like. For those who have never been they’d be genuinely mortified at a Premier League game. Players swear, managers swear, fans swear… even a lot of chants and songs have swearing in them so if you’re going to clamp down on them you’re effectively clamping down on everybody inside the ground so we’d all just be sat there in silence with our sandwiches!

          • Guy says:

            Paul—I basically agree with all of your comments on this issue. Swearing on the pitch (or in the stands) is not some kind of offense. Get real, right? It is the attempt to intimidate that annoys me and refs have it in their power to eliminate that, but they don’t.

            My favorite memory of our trip to Easter Road last fall was a Hibs fan screaming at his own goalie to, “Catch the fookin’ ball ‘ya shite!” We burst out laughing….wives and all. :-) Wouldn’t want to take that away from the game.

            btw……I may not agree with all your comments, but as I have said before, I really appreciate the posts from those of you across the pond. You have a perspective that we here in the States can never truly grasp, except in our imaginations. Mind you, that doesn’t mean you’re always right. ;-)

          • Paul says:

            Brilliant response, thanks. When I was at the Merseyside derby at Anfield a few weeks back, we were all sat there when all of a sudden Jamie Carragher shouts out of nowhere ‘F**king hell Kells!!! Sort it out son!!!’ at Martin Kelly. Everybody in the stands burst out laughing, it was just so funny at the time seeing it completely off the cuff like that.

            And as for always being right – I get that totally! I’ll hold my hands up when I’m wrong and believe it or not I do appreciate the views of others. I find it especially good reading when it’s from people across the world on here; it’s good to see how the game is viewed in America etc. One thing I will stand by is when I’m greeted with certain posts on here, I can’t help but stand by my views and defend then ferociously if it’s something I believe in. I suppose in the same way I’ve been arguing language as an offshoot of the players passion for the game, it’s a passion of mine to rant on about it in turn! I’ll have a different way with words than a lot of people on here and that can come across in a sometimes negative or maybe even sarcastic manner but (mostly!) it’s not meant as such. I enjoy a good debate especially when it comes to football (soccer). Anyway it really is past my bedtime so I bid you a good night! ;)

          • john r says:

            Paul, i honestly have no problem at all with cussing. i was just offering up an idea of something that is done in rugby that could be done to stop the intimidation some players attempt on refs. cussing on the other hand, is a natural part of the game. its a heated situation, and in heated situations, people cuss. i know i do. though its usually at myself for doing something stupid. And to give further insight into where im coming from, im a Texan. Cussing in the stands in the States is highly frowned upon, something i really disagree with. i understand some families want to bring their children to a place and have them not hear those words. but a sporting event, a highly charged one at that, is not a place to expect schoolhouse language.

        • Guy says:

          John—-if a rugby ref doesn’t like what he hears he just waves the yellow and gives the player the “yap, yap” gesture.. Simple as that. I don’t know if soccer refs actually have that power, other than on paper.

          • john r says:

            thanks guy. my rugby knowledge is pretty limited. i only get to watch a few games here and there. the mic’d up portion is just something that was completely new to me….and something i really liked.

  19. Chris says:

    Ban them 4 games and fine them 4 weeks wages. Hit them in the wallet, and they’ll stop.

    It’s a complete lack of respect to the game, the fans, and their team.

    And, it’s just going to get worse if something isn’t done.

  20. dust says:

    Couple of thoughts…

    The simulation is a joke, the only way to stomp it out is to have post game reviews with severe punishment if found guilty. The intent of Pepe was clearly to head butt and therefore deserves the red card.

    However, even tho the intent did deserve the red without the dive, he would NOT have got the red card without the Dramatic reaction/dive. With the lack of video replay none of this can be resolved in the moment and would rely on the post game inquiry.

    As for the cussing, liverpool and in particular Andy Carroll and Craig Bellamy are extremely abusive every week to referees (I just watched Man utd beat Blackburn and Paul Scholes is also as bad). To say it doesn’t matter if a players constantly cuss and abuse ref’s in my opinion shows how little respect you have for the game and a lack of education.

    There is no need for it, If you disagree with a ref fine, express that, but do it in the violently abusive way that you see from the aforementioned players is not needed, shows a bit of class. What if the refs responded that way to players?

    Hey Carrol you cheeky !#$%, stop &!@#$%^ about and trying to %!@#$%^ dive all the #!@#$%^ time you !@#$%^& lazy &!@#, If I catch you again you ^!@#$% ™!@# i’ll send you the *!@# off…W!@##$%

    Is that what the game needs? NO. Players need to reel it in and figure out how to dissagree less abusively.

    I know professional footballers are not the most intelligent of people but to just make excuses for their abusive language is a joke. It’s not needed and, I would argue that the players that don’t act like that have more decisions go their way examples from yesterday would be Luka Moderic and Gareth Bale.

    By the way the Spurs Swansea game was a great game, and Martin Tyler pointed out the ref and players had hardly and incident, and this while some of the best football so far this season was being played…Swansea played a great game, they just don’t have players at the same individual skill level as Spurs, they lacked the killer passes of Moderic, Vander Vart and Bale.

    Looks to me like Brendon Rodgers is on his way to Spurs when Harry goes (as I said a while ago). Hey Daniel, use the money the FA give you for Harry to pay Swansea for Brendon as he indicated in the Daily Mail piece.

    Woot! keep it british joe ! use all that money you save on taxes living in the bahamas! http://www.tavistock.com

  21. Paul says:

    How dare you comment on what type of respect or education somebody has?

    Do you not think if Howard Webb was offended by Paul Scholes calling him a ‘f**king w***er’ (as you could clearly make out) he would have shown him a card? If he was genuinely insulted by it he was more than entitled to show a yellow because although not punishable with red he can still deem it ‘offensive, abusive and/or insulting’. Good on Webb for letting it go in one ear and straight out the other. You could argue that Alex Ferguson never gets into trouble for swearing on the touchline, Kenny Dalglish never got into trouble for swearing at Arsene Wenger and yet Wayne Rooney got a 2 match ban for swearing down Sky’s camera… the difference there is that he actively did it into peoples homes on live TV. The players do it in the thick of the game. They don’t have mics so what’s the problem? Even Gary Neville said live on TV after the Rooney incident ‘swearing is part of the game’. So long as its kept on the pitch and doesn’t spill over to post-match interviews what is the big deal? Surely you wouldn’t want to try and water down our league and have a fake sugar-coating? Just like every other football fan in this country I really don’t bat an eye lid if they swear or not… apparently the same as the refs seeing as I’m still to see yellow cards being flashed to stamp it out if it’s such a big issue.

  22. Ahmed Yussuf says:

    @Paul why would you want foul language to be a part of the game?

    • Paul says:

      I give up! Sorry we’re not all born again Christians who go to church every Sunday. I’ll lobby around the Kop when I’m in there on Saturday afternoon for the Aston Villa game and request we all play nice for the benefit of our TV viewers around the world. Would get further speaking to a brick wall.

      • dust says:

        ahhh liverpool…it all makes sense now. you don’t fit any stereo type. OMG! LOL do you go under the name paul on the liverpool message / fans boards too? I wonder….hhmmmm

      • Tom says:

        I agree with you, Paul, about your point about not everyone being Christians, which explains why the many non-Christian players, fans etc out there should who use foul language cannot be forced not to do so. Those who are true born-again Christians won’t do so as they know it’s not the right thing to do. This depends on one’s values.

        However, I’d like to point out that going to church every Sunday does not mean one is a born again Christian. There have to be other signs, such as being in a relationship with God, having a changed life for the better which includes obeying God’s word and thus living by His principles.

        Just giving my thoughts

    • Guy says:

      Well, Paul’s asleep, so I’ll offer an answer. You misunderstand his point(s).

      Soccer or any other sport is not some picnic in the park. Grown men (not all) will swear when irritated. It is part of the game whether you like it or not. Swearing is not the issue. It is how and when abuse of refs becomes unacceptable. Refs have it in their power to control this. It is up to them to draw the lines. Presently, they seem unwilling to do so.

      • Paul says:

        Guy can I just thank you for obviously taking the time to read properly what I’ve typed previously. You’re the only person who has spoken any sense and can make out what I’ve been saying.

        Thank you! At least somebody on here gets it.

      • Guy says:

        Sorry, Paul. You are obviously a night owl. :-)

  23. dust says:

    How dare I? LOL, Our League? Even Gary Neville…OMG Yes even the shining example that is Gary Neville (LMAO).

    Yeah, I forgot football players are known for their intelligence …LOL You sound like someone that needs to go and take a bubble bath with a tape of a Gary Neville commentary or his new self help tape for how to have class…and keep it real.

    Without feeling the need to spend much time on how obvious it is that players hurling less verbal abuse at refs would be better, I have to ask you. Do you seriously feel it would water down the game?

    Yeah, you know what if I didn’t see players cuss and abuse the refs I would feel robbed, just like yesterdays game between spurs and Swansea, I felt so robbed…

    Thanks for filling in so many of the letters before bleeping them in your post, Im not sure I would have understood the point you were making LOL.

    Anyway, if you have kids and they see hat and they do it, I know you will be so proud of them for keeping teh game so pure, so unfiltered, I nominate your for chairman of the “keep the EPL Real!, lets keep abusing refs as its a shining example of what game is about” Campaign.

    Its just disrespectful whether the refs take it or not, im sure they would prefer not to. the NFL, Rugby, Basket Ball and even the joke that is baseball draw a line and eject people for stepping over the line. Apparently you have no line, thanks for proving my point….

    WOW! LOL

    • Paul says:

      LOL, LMAO? Mature.

      I * them out not to protect your eyes but to avoid being caught in the moderation filter.

      Do I seriously feel it water down the game? To a degree yes I do. Would I want the Premier League being watered down to something along the lines of your own NFL? No I wouldn’t. The Premier League has already been overruled too many times by TV companies so if they don’t like language, keep the cameras and microphones away and use discretion. It would be unnatural for the players to be told what they can and cannot say in their own environment. It has ALWAYS been that way. I say ‘our’ game as in the English Premier League. England – a place where language is accepted across all mediums. I’d love for you to come over and see it all in action from Sunday league up and experience the difference in culture for yourself. It’s great you can sit there and watch on TV but that is so far removed from the reality of the game it’s unreal. The bottom line is that if a ref doesn’t like it he is fully entitled to show a card and they don’t.
      And Gary Neville… Hated him as a player but he’s turned out to be a pretty decent pundit and shockingly he speaks sense. I would love to see people like yourself over here debating this in person, on TV for example, you wouldn’t last 5 minutes.

  24. dust says:

    WoW….were do I start?

    You are in England ooooohhhhhh. I take my hat off to you, that alone means you are live in a far greater land than anywhere I may live or own properties (including the U.K).LOL

    First of all, for someone that professes to know so much about the english language your opinion of something like LOL and LMAO is quite amusing, given the nature of the english language and to what they represent in the lexicon of the english language, that coupled with your well documented hatred of long posts I would have thought you would appreciate the occasional abbreviation.

    Secondly, you assume too much, way too much, your claim of knowing me and my knowledge of the game being less than yours because you are english and live in the UK all at the same time has so many holes and sounds so backwards you make yourself sound like you sit at your computer, chain smoke, wear a moo moo and have never actually travelled or been educated, again I will resist that temptation to label you that way.

    I shall not fall into the uneducated assumptions that you have made, about me my, nationality, whereabouts and knowledge of the game. You clearly have some socks missing from your draw, or maybe some marbles fell out of your bag and rolled under your couch…you should go check.

    Do you read your own post? read them back in your head before you hit “post comment”.

    Thirdly…you know what this really could go on…so i will wrap it up…I really do wish we had met on the terraces when I was a season ticket holder for 15 years before moving, i’m sure you would have been a delightful person with quite the vocabulary. You are a credit to England, I cant see why people in the U.S or europe see english football fans as know it all’s under a spell false confidence. Lets hope you multiply and raise offspring with your apparent love for cuss words and lack of respect for referees, what a sight that would be see one of the apples of your eye verbally abusing a ref, what a proud moment that will be for you…its just part of the game.

    LOL, LMAO, ROFL,

    • The Gaffer says:

      Dust, no need for personal attacks.

      Everyone, let’s keep the discussion relevant to the article topic and civil. Thank you.

      Cheers,
      The Gaffer

      • Dust says:

        Of course i aggre just going after people is not acceptable, personally I don’t feel I did, it looks like I’m not the only one that feels that way.

        With all due respect gaffer, As an Englishman I get tired of other Englishman tarnishing the image of English people and football fans with ignorant posts such as paul’s. After reading the thread his attacking many others and then saying he knows more about football because he lives in the uk?

        I was as you can see in the post using sarcasam just calling out Paul for essentially having a negative attack at me. Look at my original post, no attacks on anyone here. And I’m not the only one to make those same points at Paul.

        Making religious slurs at me unprovoked. My points were on topic, any other posts were in response to Paul.
        If you look at the posts then hopefully you can see that.

        Surprised at your response to only me gaffer, hey, your site your rules.

        Out

  25. Philip says:

    Was really dissappointed by Perch (Newcastle fan) and even more so by his tweets saying “I didn’t dive, there was contact” and “If I didn’t go not have been sent off”- both illustrate the attitudes of players which is disgraceful.

    Generally, this apologist talk of “there was contact” is ludicrous. Contact is by no means a foul; it is a contact sport and “going down easily” is exactly the same as going down without any contact at all.

    Yes, punishment is needed but I find it incredible that these players must simply have no personal integrity or pride to do these pathetic things- players: get some dignity!

    Fundamentally diving is simply lying about what has happened. If we transpose this to another sport I believe it illustrates it best: Imagine you are playing tennis and the opponent hits the ball and it just bounces in and a little on the line, your opponent is much further away and cannot see as well as yourself and you call “Out!” despite knowing it was perfectly in: is that not cheating? Of course it is!

    However, one of the biggest problems now is that, because it is so widespread, referees seem to presume that if there were any kind of foul then the player would have gone down from it meaning that unless players go down then it is very rarely a foul which is of course ridiculous. No one needs to make an opponent fall down to gain an illegal advantage. This is also creating a game where almost any foul seems to produce a yellow card- they are brandished far, far, FAR too easily!

    We need only look at the finest side in the world for a group of players who seem to have an almost choreographed reaction to any slight foul by screaming in pain, crowding the referee and having an overblown sense of entitlement that if the opponent wins the ball then it MUST have been a foul! No one could do so otherwise! And of course they also have the prince of cheating, the tall defensive midfielder with a serious balance impediment and sensitivity to (short term!) pain Sergio Busquets. The worst part is that the manager quite simply must endorse, possibly even encourage, all of these acts otherwise they wimply would not be allowed to do them so routinely.

    I believe that if a player asks to be treated by a physio then that player should HAVE TO remain off the field for a minimum of 4/5 minutes. Would massively decrease the feigning of injuries which is dispicable.

    Apologies for the long (essay) post but this is something which annoys me perenially.

    I was always told that in sport you do everything to not show any sign of weakness to your opponent- that not doing so is something to be proud of and retains your personal integrity. What happened to that?

  26. Frill Artist says:

    The resentment is strong with Paul. Never seen a more bitter fan so vehemently defend his team. Well, not exactly a shocker, considering this is the same team that stood by a racist even when evidence was brought forth.

    • Guy says:

      Quotes from Paul:

      “Liverpool didn’t deserve to win yesterday – I’ve said that all along. They don’t deserve to finish in the top half of the table they’ve been that embarrassing.”

      “Red card any day of the week from the official.” (regarding Reina)

      If that’s vehement defense of his team……..

      • John R says:

        I agree with Guy. Paul, despite my disagreement with him on a few points, has been reasonable throughout.

  27. Joe H says:

    As someone has said before, if there is an review panel that is able to review footage after a game and apply fines or bans when they catch a player diving or feining injury then I’m sure it would start to die out. Nowdays it’s easier to tell if a player has gone down too easily or after a tackle that made them stumble. It won’t be a perfect system but the attitudes of players would change.

    This is what I thought after the Newcastle/Liverpool game.
    1. Carrol’s dive came so early in the game that it wasn’t down to frustration, as someone else said, it looks like it he wasn’t confident enough to go round the keeper himself so he wanted to pass the opportunity to someone else.
    2. Danny Simpson’s handball should have been punished but I don’t think the ref and linesman were in the best places to see it. I doubt the ref saw it as there were a few players around the ball at the time and the linesman was in line with the goal line and possibly the post was in his way meaning he didn’t see it.
    3. I think the ref got the Perch/Reina decision right. The yellow for the initial sticking his foot out challenge and the red for the retaliation.

    It may have been frustration from Reina but as a professional he should have enough self control to not get in someone else’s face. If he’d just said a few angry words at Perch from a few paces away then no one would have said anything but to get that close to another player shows an intent. If the ref had known what Perch did then he should have given him a second yellow for simulation.

    As Paul said, there is going to be frustration on a pitch which will lead to people swearing at each other. When people stub their toe, the first thing that comes out their mouth is a swear word. John McEnroe used to say “You cannot be serious” on the tennis court, others would just swear. That isn’t an issue, the issue is when players surround a ref to influence a decision. I saw this at an away game at Stamford Bridge, a foul was committed outside the Chelsea box and around 6 Chelsea players ran over to the ref and tried to get him to change his mind. Other teams have done it, you’ll see it most of the time from the bigger teams but the Chelsea game is the only one I can remember seeing first hand.

  28. Sean says:

    Intent my arse,Reina didn’t touch Perch..anyone that thinks he was deservedly sent off should go play tennis, golf or any similar non-contact sport! Lets face it, the majority of soccor fans are brainless idiots! You only have to loo at a player taking a throw or a corner and watch the mugs behind them houting all kinds of abuse…and as long as these idiots keep going to games and and thinking its ok for their player to dive but not the other teams then soccor will continue to be the shit sport it is today..the face that both sets of fans have to be kept seperate in a lot of grounds speaks volumes…4 game ban with pay suspended for simulation to start off with and see how that goes!

    • Philip says:

      Even though you said ‘soccer’ and were a bit crass I pretty much agree with you. I hate the attitude of most fans that they boo anyone who ever went near a rival club/ used to play for them regardless of anything else, they shout abuse incessently for no reason as if they SERIOUSLY want to hurt any player who’s simply not playing for their team- people all around the country are acting like this simply because they’re at a game, it’s no surprise that so many players are lacking in any integrity or dignity.

      On a Newcastle blog I go on there were a few people attempting to defend Perch when they criticise Carroll and anyone else.

      People need to refuse to accept winning by cheating at their clubs. It is not ok just because it helped the team,

      Managers are the worst however. If Guardiola is the consummate proffessional with dignity and class that people seem set on labelling him then he would not accept the behaviour of so many of his players- they are the finest side in the world, they can’t even claim desperation as reasoning- it is simply gross, undignified cheating.

  29. Ahmed Yussuf says:

    Football is game of different perceptions and opinions. That’s what makes it great, if there’s a differing of opinion need to attack each other. This site is to gather all types of opinions and encourage debate. Not conflict. Let’s do what the gaffer said and be civil.

    Thanks!

  30. Sean says:

    ‘Soccor’..what do you call it??lol

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