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Premier League Saturday, Gameweek 25: Open Thread (Including Man Utd vs Liverpool)

liverpool man utd 600x397 Premier League Saturday, Gameweek 25: Open Thread (Including Man Utd vs Liverpool)

The biggest rivalry in the Premier League is, still, Manchester United against Liverpool. It’s not your Manchester derby. Neither is it Chelsea against Manchester United. The Red Devils against the Reds remains at the top, featuring the two most successful teams in English football. Now that Manchester United has the bragging rights to the domestic titles, it’s a chance for Liverpool to show United that they’re still a force to be reckoned with. Conversely, it’s a chance for United to show how far ahead they are, not only in talent, but in their quest to win another title.

Needless to say, there’s a lot on the line today. And I haven’t even mentioned Suarez or Evra yet!

Manchester United team: De Gea, Rafael, Ferdinand, Evans, Evra, Valencia, Scholes, Carrick, Giggs, Rooney, Welbeck

Liverpool team: Reina, Johnson, Skrtel, Agger, Enrique, Henderson, Spearing, Gerrard, Kuyt, Suarez, Downing

Not surprisingly, Suarez starts for Liverpool, while Welbeck starts for United. May the best team win.

Don’t forget there are plenty of other matches today including Spurs against Newcastle, Swansea against Norwich, Sunderland against Arsenal, Everton versus Chelsea, Blackburn v QPR, Bolton battle Wigan and Fulham play Stoke.

Before, during and after today’s games, post your rants, raves, questions and observations in the comments section below.

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73 Responses to Premier League Saturday, Gameweek 25: Open Thread (Including Man Utd vs Liverpool)

  1. Serpico127 says:

    Suarez is a douche!!

  2. The Gaffer says:

    Poor form by Suarez. He had an opportunity to put this whole issue to bed, but instead, he stokes the fire again by trying not to shake Evra’s hand. No matter what happens today, one of the main talking points will be Suarez and Evra (thanks to Suarez).

    The Gaffer

  3. JaxHullMan says:

    What a jack ass

    • jtm371 says:

      i could not agree more what a PUNK ass be a man look Evra in the eye and shake his hand like a man not a guilty dog with your head had a chance to put it behind you and you just put fuel on the fire.suarez guilty as charged.

    • dlink09 says:

      well what a arrogant piece of suarez is.. had the chance to get this issue put to bed.. but instead he choose to act like stupid arse.. Evra was ok to shake the hand..Ferdinand what’s your issue with suarez ..

      • Taylor says:

        That’s the show of solidarity. It’s the same as when the entire dugout involve in a brawl when a pitcher from the other team throw the ball at their hitter’s body or head.

      • Mufc77 says:

        I’d be willing to bet rio would have shaken suarezs hand if he had not snubbed evra, never know for sure now though

  4. IanCransonsKnees says:

    It’s okay he’s a ‘Victim’, Kenny will defend this as well. Perr-ick!

  5. The Gaffer says:

    Suarez will have won no fans from his display in the first 45 minutes. The best word I can think of to describe it is childish. He needs to focus on his game and save his energy for his performance, which has been lacking in the first half.

    He reminds me a lot of a young Wayne Rooney when he first joined Manchester United. Rooney at that time was getting upset at referee decisions and tackles from other players. Ever since Rooney channeled his anger and energy into his performance, he’s been a much better footballer. Suarez would be wise to do the same.

    The Gaffer

    • Why? says:

      Gaffer I think you need to see the over head view of the ‘none’ hand shake as with the three players before Suarez Evra has his hand over waist height to shake hands as Suarez approaches he clear as day lowers it! Suarez moves his hand across where Evra’s hand was but he has already lowered it, does this make Suarez think he doesn’t want to shake his hand? Well from the top view that is exactly how it looks.
      If a player doesn’t want to shake hands (from the top view it looks like Evra’s the one who doesn’t) for what ever reason they don’t have to what Evra thought he was doing grabbing Suarez I don’t know as even if Suarez moved his hand it’s his right to so why was Evra trying to bring attention to it even though he lowered his own hand? Look at it from the top view and watch Evra’s hand position to where it is with the other players and tell me that he hasn’t lowered it making it look like he didn’t want to shake hands. Evra’s behaviour at the end of the game was distasteful as well if it wasn’t for the history of what has happened he would be in trouble for that.

  6. Serpico127 says:

    How can McManaman complain about the focus on the Suarez situation when ESPN devoted the majority of the pre-game to the very thing? I’m glad they did this it def. brings some added excitement to an already exciting game. We are all part of the same hypocrisy!

  7. Taylor says:

    2-0 for United now right after the half time. Knowing Fergie and reading Gary Neville’s book, I can imagine Fergie didn’t have to explain a lot of things and probably just said something like “Lads, did you see Suarez refused to shake Patrice’s hand ? Who’s going to stand up for him ?”

  8. jtm371 says:

    Rooney 1 goal in previous 19 matches today 2 goals in less then 5 minutes pool fan worst nightmare to be beat by Rooney.

  9. Mark says:

    Check out what’s trending on Twitter right now. Topics like #Rooney, #Suarez, #Downing, #Carrol, #Evra etc. And this is in the UNITED STATES. Trending topics that are usually filled with justin bieber and other celebrity crap stuff. If this isn’t enough proof that the EPL is popular in America now, I don’t know what else.

  10. The Gaffer says:

    The way Liverpool is playing, it’s like they only have 10 players on the pitch against United’s 11. A very abject performance. So far, totally outclassed by United.

    The Gaffer

  11. Guy says:

    Puttin’ me back to sleep, zzzzzz.

  12. The Gaffer says:

    While Suarez’s decision not to shake Evra’s handshake was childish, Patrice’s post-match celebrations were equally childish in my opinion. He took it too far, rubbing it in the faces of Liverpool.

    The Gaffer

    • Taylor says:

      Agree with you, Gaffer. But….this wouldn’t have happened if Suarez shook Evra’s hand. Evra took a high road initially and Suarez disgraced himself and Liverpool FC.Suarez could have redeemed himself by shaking hands with Evra after the grame immediately.
      IIRC, in the Liverpool official website, Dalglish said that Suarez will shake hands with Evra. Suarez not doing so, undermined Dalglish”s authority

      • Gaz says:

        “But….this wouldn’t have happened if Suarez shook Evra’s hand.”

        And you know this how? You can’t excuse an equally unsporting behavior by blaming it on what happened before. Just like I tell children, you have to take responsibility for your actions. Saying, “but he something” doesn’t excuse your action.

        Equally, I’m not excusing Suarez’s behavior.

        “Suarez could have redeemed himself by shaking hands with Evra after the grame [sic] immediately.”

        Would you want to approach an opposition player for a handshake that is running around and gloating?

        • Taylor says:

          I am not excusing anyone’s behavior I understand Evra’s reaction ? Everyone was ready to move on, but apparently Suarez wasn’t.

          You’ll never know what Evra would do. I believe if Suarez approaches him and shake his hands, Evra wouldn’t gloat or will stop gloating. He was the captain for the day and he wouldn’t be stupid enough to disgrace United and Sir Alex.

      • spenghali says:

        I agree Suarez’s actions were awful, but for Evra to retaliate is almost on the same level, being that he is Captain of the team. Lead by example.

    • Mufc77 says:

      And why shouldn’t evra celebrate after the game is over. He was racially abused by suarez and then he went to anfield in the cup and and got targeted by Liverpool fans again. Evra did us proud that day with the way he handled himself. He was the bigger man today and suarez showed how little class he and Liverpool have. The press tomorrow will slaughter saurez and rightly so.

      • Taylor says:

        This is spot on. I like Dalglish and I understand that Dalglish is similar to Ferguson: They’ll; defend their players publicly, but this doesn’t make things easier for King Kenny.

        • Mufc77 says:

          Go read daglish comments on BBC sport. As usual it’s never liverpools fault.

          • Clampdown says:

            I’ll agree with you on this one. If he really didn’t see it, he should have just left it at that.

          • Guy says:

            From BBC Sport:

            Dalglish said he did not see Suarez refuse to shake hands with Evra, and does not blame the Uruguayan for the bad blood that marred the contest.
            “I never knew Suarez refused to shake Evra’s hand,” Dalglish said. “I wasn’t there, I never saw it. It’s contrary to what I’ve been told.”

            I like Dalglish, but c’mon, Kenny.

      • spenghali says:

        He should celebrate just not in the ridiculous gloating manner deliberately in front of Suarez.

  13. Gaz says:

    Suarez didn’t do himself any justice by refusing the handshake, but he believes Evra lied and pulled the race card on him. Not going to hurt anyone, but it’s unsporting behavior at best.

    Evra is allowed to celebrate, and he’s especially entitled to as he believes he was a victim. But to jump around and gloat (right in front of Suarez at one point) is equally unsporting.

  14. Guy says:

    After the non-handshake, if I’m Evra I do the same thing.

  15. brn442 says:

    I’ve said it once, I’ve said 100 times – Steward Downing should not start another match for Liverpool again this season, if ever.

    • Clampdown says:

      He’s terrible. So is Henderson. So is Carroll. This is such a poorly constructed team.

      It’s too bad Suarez and Evra decided to make this about themselves today. They’re both idiots.

      • Mufc77 says:

        How did evra make this about himself?

        • Clampdown says:

          Give me a break. The nonsense at the end of the match. The reports are that he also went after Suarez in the tunnel at halftime.

          I saw your comments above, so I already know you believe he had the right to gloat. I’ve got no problem with him celebrating the win, even if it was over the top. But, running in front of Suarez and waving his arms about, he was clearly looking for a reaction out of Suarez. But of course you won’t give credit to Suarez for not taking the bait.

          Evra is a wind-up merchant. He excels at provoking the opposition and then acting like a baby when he gets a reaction.

      • The Gaffer says:

        Poor game overall. Liverpool’s passing was atrocious. Thank goodness Liverpool is in the League Cup Final. Otherwise there would be some serious questions asked about Dalglish’s performance as a manager.

        The Gaffer

  16. Colin says:

    Anyone watching Everton v Chelsea? What a homecoming for Steven Pienaar!

    • Ryan says:

      I’m disappointed we didn’t give him more of a run out when he was with Spurs. He’s a quality player and I’m glad to see him back at Everton.

  17. dlink09 says:

    Liverpool has spent vast sums of money on dummies.. midfield is useless

  18. Mufc77 says:

    Oh yeah the pressure is really on city now.

  19. dlink09 says:

    Sunderland football pitch is atrocious..

  20. Mark says:

    Evra has every right to celebrate.

  21. dlink09 says:

    LFC has to take a stand on this guy.. LFC deserves better than this.. we want good football from top teams, not this kind of nonsense..

  22. Latic says:

    Probably Wigan’s best half of the season by performance. All over Bolton, very one sided. Hopefully they don’t blow it in the second half.

  23. jtm371 says:

    hey kenny maybe if you pulled your head out of your arse you would see what a fool suarez is making you look like.your words on the bbc are a joke.SAF said Evra should not have celebrated like he did at end of match.suarez set the tone with the non handshake you reap what you sow.

  24. Eric says:

    Funny how everyone forgot what Evra called Suarez, ” A Sudaca” . Both players are stupid

    • Guy says:

      Not excusing it, but read the report carefully. Evra offered up that quote on his own volition. Suarez, by his own testimony, knew nothing about it. Never heard it. So it had nothing to do with what went on afterward, except perhaps to show Evra’s frame of mind, which was none too good itself.

    • John says:

      Did he do this TODAY? Because this thread seems to be talking about what happened TODAY?

      Funny how nobody mentioned (pick incident from Suarez’s past).

  25. bayou says:

    Yes, Suarez was a dick and that’s all anyone wants to talk about. But what about Evra’s asinine and immature celebrating at the end? Why was he trying to get into the Liverpool locker room at half-time? And what about the FA report that even says that Evra probably instigated the Suarez situation that resulted in the suspension.

    Neither of these players are class, but I don’t understand why Suarez is singled out.

    • Guy says:

      “…the FA report that even says that Evra probably instigated the Suarez situation that resulted in the suspension.”

      I must have missed that in my reading of the report. Would you please site the appropriate quote.


  26. jtm371 says:

    your Swans are taking a hiding at home.did they forget to come out for second half?

    • The Gaffer says:

      It wasn’t a hiding. It was a close game. We lost 3-2 but Norwich deserved the three points. They really took the game to Swansea, but the Swans were so close to equalizing at the end of the match. Great game!

      The Gaffer

      • The Gaffer says:

        To be fair, one of Norwich’s goals was an own goal, but Michel Vorm made 2-3 excellent saves today to keep the scoreline much closer. It could have been 2-5 to Norwich if Vorm wasn’t on form.

        The Gaffer

      • jtm371 says:

        i will defer to you on all things Swans but i think we can agree the first 18 minutes of the second half did not go well for the Swans.3 goals in 18 minutes at home i would say is not good.just my opinion just like noses we all have one.

  27. Serpico127 says:

    Can we suck any worse?!!! AVB pack your bags. It’s not all your fault, but apparently your system isn’t working. God I hope Tim Howard doesn’t score on us.

  28. RVPFan says:

    Suarez is a good footballer but is a silly boy. However, Sir Alex is a little bit off the mark by labeling Suarez as a “disgrace” and by him not shaking hands could have caused “riot”. How can a simple not shaking hands cause riot? People are not that stupid Sir Alex.

    • John says:

      I see what you’re saying about the simplicity of the hand shake, but Suarez clearly meant it as a statement, and incendiary one at that. I think it’s one thing to talk about whether the hand shakes /should/ spark conflict. It’s another to imply that they necessarily don’t.

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  30. Daniel Nieves says:

    RVPFan, I agree that Sir Alex went a little overboard. However; I don’t know where you are from, but I have seen fights occur over being looked at the wrong away. Given the fact of what already happened prior to the game, Suarez not shaking hands is a slap in the face to those trying to rid our game of racism. After the world cup, I was really in awe over Uruguay’s surprise run. Forlan and Suarez were incredible and I definitely became a fan. After this whole racial thing and given he had a chance to put this to bed with some class; he goes and screws it up. Way to show your true colors! Boo Liverpool!!! Threw in the extra fact, that Lebron James has a share in ownership with Liverpool and it makes that much easier to root against them.

  31. Guy says:

    3-0 and Spurs don’t look like letting up. Geez. Now what, Harry?

  32. Ryan says:

    Saha and Adebayor looked like they’ve played together for years, not 20 minutes. First time in weeks that Adebayor has looked up for a game.

  33. The Gaffer says:

    Tottenham better slow down on the goals. Otherwise The FA will be signing Redknapp in a hurry!

    The Gaffer

  34. dust says:

    With spurs in flying form with some reasonable rest coming up for injured players like Vandervart, Kaboul and Sandro all potentially back for the game at scumeraites, I can’t wait to see my spurs put a beat down on “when you wash your face and hands remember to wash ur arse-n-all”. They played terrible today and still got a win albeit at Sunderland with a player that will not be there in a week.

    The thrashing of a Blackburn squad that more resembles an emergency wing during new years will continue to disguise how terrible they are. the game in 2 weeks could really be a sight to see, it could be a drubbing of epic proportions…I cant believe i have to wait 2 weeks!! aaggghhhh come on !! beating them 3-2 after being down 2 the last time was fabulous but this time….ooowwwooohowhoooooo!!

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