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Former And Current Champions Making Noise In the Quarterfinals of the US Open Cup

5087625269 02b0b5c7ed 300x225 Former And Current Champions Making Noise In the Quarterfinals of the US Open Cup

It’s getting very interesting in the 2011 edition of the Lamar Hunt US Open Cup as former Champions are making noise while the current two time defending champion Seattle Sounders are also looking to add on to their success in the second oldest cup competition in the world. Alot of action and domination in all four matches.

SPORTING KANSAS CITY Vs RICHMOND KICKERS

When you thought about this match up it did creep into your minds that it could be over for the Kickers who many can say are having a good run, but when you have a great striker tandum of David Bulow & Matthew Delicate that has done well in the USL Pro League it might not be over just yet. With no goals in the first half at LIVESTRONG Sporting Park you could be worried that it was an advantage towards the Kickers.

In the 66th minute Sporting’s fears did come true as Shaka Bangura found the back of the net and it was the start of upset city for the Third Division side in USL Pro. The final nail in the coffin for Sporting Kansas City was a penalty by David Bulow in the 83rd minute and as of right now, the 1995 champion has earned a ticket to the Semi-Finals at the Chicago Fire.

FC DALLAS Vs REAL SALT LAKE
After earning a scoreless draw in their first match and Real Salt Lake earning a two goal to nil victory at Rio Tinto Stadium a few days ago, FC Dallas was looking for some revenge and knocking out Jason Kreis side. You can say that FC Dallas got the last laugh.

A goal early in the first half by Jair Benitez in the 18th minute and an early goal in the second half by Jackson Goncalves in the 54th with some strong defense gave the 1997 champions (Called the Dallas Burn at the time) their ticket to the Semi-Finals of the US Open Cup.

SEATTLE SOUNDERS Vs LOS ANGELES GALAXY

The two time defending champions Seattle Sounders met an old foe at Starfire Sportsplex in the Los Angeles Galaxy and the last time they played Landon Donovan’s side last season, it was a victory that led to a Semi-Final home match against Chivas-USA. Once again both sides are back against each other for another attempt to advance into the 2011 Semis.

It was all Sounders at the start of the match as Mr. US Open Cup Nate Jaqua converts early in the 4th minute and was joined by Fredy Montero in the 25th minute. There was some concern in the 40th minute when Adam Cristman pulled on back and there was some concern at Starfire. But the Sounders faithful’s concerns were put to bed when Lamar Neagle got the two goal lead back in the 74th minute.

The defending champions have done it again at their home away from home as they have their US Open Cup winning streak extended to ten games since they entered MLS from the USL 1st Division in 2009. Sigi Schmid so far has done a great job. For the first time in a while, four sides that have currently won or have won in the past will attempt to add another US Open Cup trophy to their case.

2011 Lamar Hunt US Open Cup Semi-Final Matches: Tuesday, August 30th
#37:
Chicago Fire (MLS) Vs Richmond Kickers (USL Pro) At Toyota Park; Bridgeview, Illinois 8:30PM EDT
#38: Seattle Sounders (MLS) Vs FC Dallas (MLS) At Starfire Sports Stadium; Tukwila, Washington 10:00PM EDT

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48 Responses to Former And Current Champions Making Noise In the Quarterfinals of the US Open Cup

  1. Heimdall says:

    I don’t know about KC or Chicago, but looking at the lineups, it looks like Dal/SL/LA/Sea played a bunch of starters. Large Omar was hurt and didn’t make the trip, but Angel and Beckham and Magee will be well rested for Real Madrid.

  2. Charles says:

    For all the parity haters, looks like you got you wish, the two top money teams are winning…..

    From sounderatheart.com:
    “There’s a reason you feel like LA is the team to beat, because over the 2.5 seasons of the MLS Sounders only the Galaxy have more points in all-competitions (MLS, MLS Cup Playoffs, US Open Cup and CONCACAF Champions League). How many more? Three; 164 to 161.”

    That is tied now…..Sounders going for the THREE PEAT.

    Sounders are the deepest team in American right now and it shows. In addition to the US Open Cup success, they have won every reserve game.
    Hopefully the fiasco of last years CCL ( giving away games ) will be fixed this year.

    • Lysander says:

      How does it look when you look at PPG instead of points? Anyone want to do the math?

      • bradjmoore48 says:

        Let’s go with what Charles/Sounder at Heart says, LA and Seattle have the same amount of points in all competition. Seattle had 6 more CCL matches last season than LA, Seattle had more U.S. Open Cup matches; LA only had more playoff matches than Seattle, but only 1 more last year, and 1 or 2 more the year before (don’t know how far Seattle went in playoffs their 1st season). Obviously they play the same amount of matches in MLS regular season. Seattle would have played more competitive matches than LA, thus more opportunities to get those 164 points than LA. LA would have the better PPG average.

        • Charles says:

          As painful as CCL was last year, I will take the Sounders playing in the group stage OVER losing to PRico and keeping a better PPG like LA did.
          The US Open Cup….LA knocked out by Seattle, who went on to play more game.

  3. Charles says:

    5th year in a row that the Sounders has made the semi finals, btw.

    • Robert says:

      Charles, I’m very critical of MLS but I have to give respect to Sounders for taking the Open Cup vert seriously. It’s a shame that NJRB phoned it in so it could prepare for a stupid friendly.

      If I could change one thing about MLS it would be getting rid of pointless friendlies/All-Star in the heart of the season. Good luck to you Sounders.

      • Alan says:

        I would get rid of friendlies too, but its a way to make a quick buck off of eurosnobs. Friendlies are here to stay I’m afraid.

      • Heimdall says:

        The friendlies are a cash grab and are a marketing opportunity towards the following groups who are generally uninterested in the local MLS team: eurosnobs, spectacle seeking general sports fans, fans of visiting players with similar ethnic background.

        Demand does seem to be sagging though as Nick Green reports: This year, admitted Galaxy president of business operations Tom Payne, the novelty has worn off somewhat. So far about 40,000 tickets have been sold and Galaxy officials are hoping for a crowd in the 70,000-plus range despite the potential for traffic chaos.

        from: http://www.sbsun.com/sports/ci_18458651#ixzz1S6sJxtiN

    • Charles says:

      Look at that harmony among the MLSTalk faithful.
      Friendlies suck….at least in the old days of the MLS Sounders ;-)
      I could sell the ticket and pay for my real tickets.
      Now the Sounders wanted $75 a ticket for a friendly.

      Speaking of which did anyone see NE versus Man U on ESPN II last night ?
      I would have asked for my money back. Both teams going through the motions….barely. It was a joke.

  4. SSReporters says:

    ….Now why do the Sounders reserve their goals just for the Open Cup? They’re allowed to score regular season goals against the Galaxy. Someone better tell them.

  5. Charles says:

    Sigi signed through 2015….

    My predictions:

    1) I will die before he leaves.
    2) I will never see a counter attack by my team again
    3) Jaqua and Noonan will be on the field when I die at the game 30 years from now.

  6. Roger(Promotion/Relegation) says:

    I have to admit that you MLS cheerleaders are a real faithfull bunch!

    every time you turn your head, you find a sign right in front of your face showing the joke that MLS is, but you just ignore it.

    just a few examples through the years of the signs that you just choose to ignore:

    -count-down clocks

    -shoot outs

    -San Jose wining the East Division

    -Bring Beckam from R. Madrid but can’t pay Buddle more than a 2nd div german club

    -Commisioner publicly admiting he just doesn’t understands supporters culture

    -300/400 tickets for away supportes may be enough(he said)

    -10 teams play-offs

    -NY team been knocked out of CCL by team from T and T.

    -LA Galaxy (paying 6 mil to Beckam) knocked out by a team from Puerto Rico. just with Beckam salary you pay like 8 PR Islanders rosters!

    -team in NJ called NY ?! (different state) no problem ..they are close enough! lol.

    -too tire to travel to Chicago 2 games away from earning a spot in our continental clubs championship….but……I asure you guys it does not have anything to do with our upcoming trip to London! LONDON?!?!?!?!?
    addendum: trip to London for friendly games in the middle of regular seasson!

    I am sure I am missing a few more, but the point is, if you want to face more signs that this MLS, Single Entity thing is a huge joke, just wait. I am sure there will be more of this sings coming soon……just wait.

    • Alan says:

      I agree that all of these things suck, but I am not sure what you are saying. 10 teams play-off is one example. Its a dumb idea, but they could just as easily have a better system. Play-offs themselves are a great idea. Friendlies instead of meaningful matches? Dumb idea, but this is not tied to single-entity. It is tied to stupidity. There are some pretty stupid things in the European system too, but this is just an old argument that I don’t care to get into. The point is that the European system is not bad either. It works for them, but they do some stupid things that could be corrected if the powers that be cared enough to fix them.

      • Roger(Prom/Rel) says:

        @Alan .

        Do you think that “Frindlies instead of meaningfull matches” is not link to single entity?! Think again!

        Do you think that if franchises had the risk of being relegated , they would play a tournament of friendlies in the middle of regular seasson? Nonetheless travel to another continent?

        If the chance to qualify to the highest Continental Club Competition on your Confederation would not be guarante every seasson, do you think teams would send reserve teams to a quarter-final USOC match?

        This nonsense is directly related to “Single Entity” Alan.

        By the way, you use the term “europen system” . If such system is used in Africa, Asia, South America, even in our own confederation guess what system is used in Mexico, Guatemala, El Salvador, Honduras, Costa Rica, Panama, T&T, Jamaica, Puerto Rico….etc?

        European System?! Really?

        • Alan says:

          Yes, really. That is what it is called regardless of who uses it. Look it up. And no, everything that you listed is tied to stupidity, not the lack of pro/rel. You can take the US Open Cup seriously and not have pro/rel. You can also have higher salaries and still have a fair salary cap. Perhaps if you werent so simple you wouldn’t see everything in black and white.

          • Roger(Prom/Rel) says:

            If you notice the number of countries that practice promotion and relegation, you have to realize that it is very close to 100%! That is an undisputed REALITY!

            When you guys use terms like “european system” or “eurosnobs” you are manipulating and misleading, and trying to hide that FACT!

            The club soccer world structure is design considering two main ideas: Merythocracy and conectivity.
            The system that we have been imposed ignores those two ideas, therefore pulling us apart and away from the global phylosophy of the game!

            So, when you guys use such terms, you try to sell the idea that pro/rel is an european thing, and “we americans” dont have to follow anybody’s system.

            It is about time that someone uncover your claver and subtle ways of manipulation!

            Promotion and relegation is in tune with a global , universal aprouch. To make the game an inclusive, interactive, open to all phenomenom that links people, and not a privileged of a “selected finger pick group of investors”

            So I would love that we implement an “european system” (ironic of course), that way we will enjoy the same soccer experience that they do in Jamaica, Bolivia, Angola and China!

          • Alan says:

            You never addressed what I said about the way soccer is viewed in this country. In 100 percent of those countries, soccer is one of the top sports. In most of them, it is the top sport. And “European system” is the equivalent to saying eurosnob? Wow, that is far-fetched. A eurosnob is someone that will NEVER like
            American soccer unless we become 100 percent identical to EPL. As far as manipulation goes, you know zero about me or any other person here. You just can’t accept that the European System is not perfect. I love European soccer BTW. I am just not so closed-minded that I can’t see reality. Promotion and relegation is a LONG way off, so how about building up the game in the United States and quit hating on MLS blogs.

      • Heimdall says:

        If you think about it, Alan since teams don’t have to share ticket revenue with other MLS teams for friendlies (usually they give 30% to the league) the friendlies are devoid of the whole single entity aspect.

      • Alan says:

        One way you could start pro/rel in America if everyone is so for it right this minute is to start it in the USL. Make Divisions 3 through 5 be pro/rel based. See if it takes off.

        One way you could introduce the concept to the MLS would be “relegation” playoffs. Imagine the 4 bottom teams of the season (or of each conference) being relegated to their own playoffs. The winner of that tournament is home-free and the other 3 teams are disqualified from making the playoffs the following year. They could still win the Supporter’s Shield or the US Open Cup (which should include every MLS team as it is an “open”). You could do it another way and form a partnership with NASL and have the bottom 3 teams play the NASL champions for a trophy, money, and to escape not qualifying for the playoffs. If the NASL side wins the tournament, then all MLS sides are disqualified. If an MLS side wins, they get to stay in playoff contention the following year. For the NASL side, just winning another trophy and money would be huge. For the MLS side, it gives them the incentive to always play hard. If that seems extreme to eliminate that team from playoff contention for a whole year, you could make the “eliminated” teams have to reach a certain place in their conference or something of that nature to qualify for the playoffs. Maybe make it so they have to be in the top 1 or 2 places in their conference in order to qualify.

        I am sure that I will catch heat for this and people will say it is stupid, but pro/rel at this point is a breach of contract. Legally, nobody can be relegated out of the league. Financially, it is not that cruel to anybody. It adds a new level of competition, and it hopefully starts making the pro/rel fans happy as well as not pissing off the people that are not fans of pre/rel. It might also make the US Open Cup and the Supporter’s Shield mean more to the “relegated” clubs at least by making it a competition that they can win that year.

        Do I dare even open this can of worms and post this? Oh well, I guess I will and risk taking the heat.

    • Charles says:

      As funny as your rant it, please stick to the topic on hand.

      …and for the sake of humans at risk around you, please take your meds.

      • Dave C says:

        To be fair, at least he includes “Promotion/Relegation” in his user name as a warning that normal, rational people can simply scroll right past his single-issue babbling

        • Roger(Prom/Rel) says:

          @Dave C
          Do you know the definition of insanity?
          Do the same but expect a different result…right?

          you anti promotion and relegation people say that if we implement pro/rel it will not work in america! Even though such system has proven to work all around the planet, for more than a century and there is NOT ONE country that has EVER implemented promotion and relegation that had abandoned it latter!

          Wich position is more “rational” ?

          • Alan says:

            Can you name me one country that has tried it where soccer is as low in overall popularity as it is here compared to other sports? I am not talking about world cup fever either. What other country is soccer as big of a joke to people as it is here. Those people that think it is a joke are not the pro/rel crowd, but the everyday American sports fan. I am not saying turn soccer into football, but nobody will care about their tier 3 club getting promoted here when they don’t even appreciate the sport. We have a ways to go before pro/rel is ever a good option. Get over it.

    • Alex says:

      I agree with everything that you said. Under all that smoke and mirrors its just mediocre league soccer and not major. Single entity will do nothing but hold soccer back from what it can truely be. The mls cartel can only watch and wish they can pull in as many fans as man u or Barcelona does when they show up, of course they only wish that for money. Charles favorite club, Seattle sounders franchise club, is seeing the success It’s seeing because they copied the European club model like Barcelona. So much for euro posing, Charles. Idk why mls is trying to re invent the wheel. When there’s a proven system out there that everyone else uses. There’s excessive mount of parity cuz of the low salary cap and mls majority owning every club and player. I think playoffs provides enough parity. But hey showing a mls fanboy how soccer should really be is like teaching a pig to fly.

      • Alan says:

        Wait, Sounders have pro/rel and no salary cap? And all this time I had it wrong.

      • Jeromy says:

        “Seattle sounders franchise club, is seeing the success It’s seeing because they copied the European club model like Barcelona”

        Alex, you do not know what the heck your talking about! Seattle did not copy any euro club for it’s fan support. Much of the reason soccer is HUGE in seattle is due to the fact the NBA left seattle, left a HUGE whole in seattle, the MLS finally comes and Seattle has a LONG history with soccer NASL, USL etc. Portland and Vancouver share in our history which brings rivalry which is missing in much of MLS due to the fact the league is sooo young. for all you MLS haters “shove it” stop comparing, the league is making huge strides with the new teams, no thanks to your belly aching. we are not europe nor never will be. America loves sports and for MLS to make a mark in the sports market is impressive, last weeks ESPN plays of the week. half of the highlights of the top 10 were soccer most MLS! single entity has it’s set backs but being it’s keeping the league together in this tuff market and keeping the league competative DEAL with it. To leave the model woud be loonisy! not enough of the MLS teams have the fan support yet, it will get better, relax and enjoy watching the league getting bigger and better!

        • Heimdall says:

          People were going to watch the Sounders whether the Supes (I liked them more than the M’s or Seahawks) stayed or left. Before the trial, the Sounders had over 15k season ticket deposits and they converted over 100% of them into sales: http://www.soundersfc.com/News/Articles/2008/05-May/Make-Yourself-at-Home.aspx

          So this is May 2008, earlier than the trial a month later and well before the first game in 2009 where they eventually settled with 22k season ticket holders.

          • Jeromy says:

            due to the history it was going to do well comparatively other MLS franchises, from the History-ie Nasl and USL, the Loss of the super Sonics made 22k season ticket holders in 1st season to 32k by the time season 1 started, which I am apart of and have been since 09. I’m not saying the only reason Seattle succeeded was due to the Sonics departure, I’m saying the city have embraced soccer that much more cause there were many fans without a team and the sounders team filled it quite nicely.

          • Charles says:

            It was huge even when the SuuuuuperSonics were around.

            KIngdome was packed many, many games. I sat in the 300 level for the playoff game to put them in SoccerBowl….because there were no other seats.

            IF you are doing this for morons who compare Barcelona buying a championship to the Sounders, stop.
            Seriously, they are idiots who rant and rant and rant. Logic and intelligence will do nothing.

            They are looking for one thing, to try to be superior to others.
            They love hating MLS because many supporting MLS already have the inferiority complex ( I wish our league was better, etc )
            Anything that MLS does that the rest of the world doesn’t, gives them a rush.

            Just leave them alone, if MLS ever has the most money, they will claim they have been following since 1994 and will run around saying they are superior to the new fans because of it.

        • Alex says:

          Jeromy, its in the friggin website. They copied Barcelonas club model not only with the team but with the fans as well. Even drew Carey kept boasting how he saw barca do business and wanted ssfc to copy it. It’s European. And the league has improved because soccer fans demanded change so yea it is thanks to our belly aching. Otherwise you’d still have nicknames, shoot outs and stop clocks. And as for single entity sooner or later it has to go whether its for the good of the game or its legally obligated to. If mls keeps growing and owners become more individualistic, it will be subject to anti trust laws because the league is no longer working under a single mindset. Like it or not it will go. It only benefits owners who enjoy low costs and more distribution of revenue and less competition. It hurts players cuz they get paid piss poor and get very little rights enjoyed by players in other leagues and other sport leagues and it hurts fans because we get handed down not only bad soccer but a pre determined agenda on how soccer is runned. Look at njrb. Why would they purposely flunk in the usoc but concentrate on the emarites cup? It’s cuz clubs keep 100% of revenues they get from overseas tours. Idk if you still support a structure like that. But I don’t and never will.

          • jeromy says:

            Alex, your belly aching does nothing, that’s from a business model…. and yes ownership could be better but after the Tampa bay mutiny and Miami fusion fiasco i can understand the single entity system. la ligre has 2 good clubs and the rest give them points to see who will win the league. in a sport environment in which we are in. ie NFL,NBA,MLB and NHL the single entity system works really well for MLS to stay together. You all trump Europe like they are Gods and oh so perfect, fact is Soccer is Life there much to how many parts of America view football (NFL,College) and until other countries can show a competitive sports environment and maintain strong leagues I’m NOT impressed. I love soccer and I love the EPL bat that doesn’t mean i believe there system will work here.

        • Roger(Promotion/Relegation) says:

          Jeromy….you said:
          “single entity has it’s set backs ”

          I agree and would love to point a few.

          At the bottom, it limits the growth, quality and potential number of clubs on our lower divisions. Keeping them unlinked to the club soccer world structure, stock on neutral.

          At the top, forced synthetic parity limits the pursuit of excellence that a nation like ours should be trying to accomplish. Forget about EPL, calcio or La Liga, do you know which was the cheapest roster on last year Mexican first division? Queretaro’s $16 million dollars! Here, even if your club is mediocre to MLS standards, it will make the play-offs 50% of the times.

          It is a set back for the players. The draf, a concept transplanted from “american sports” takes away a right that players have all around the globe, to be paid the most that a club is willing to pay.

          It is a set back for the fans, because they are not only on NJ, LA, Chicago, Seattle and a selected number of lucky finger picked cities; there are soccer fans on Miami, Detroit, Rochester, San Antonio, Charleston , Tampa and literally thousands of cities of different sizes all around the nation. Almost anywhere in the world, those cities would be linked by promotion and relegation to the club soccer global structure. Here, our “soccer lords” decided that it is a private club and guess what…”you guys are not invited!”

          It also limits our choices to the diferent type of ownerships that we could have on an open system. Only big money investors, wich is the traditional way on “american sports” is allowed. Why? There are othe types of ownerships that we could benefit from. Why limit our choices to just ONE!?

          Educacional Instotutions operate soccer clubs:
          Universidad Catolica(Chile)
          Universitario de Deportes(Peru)
          Politehnica Timi?oara(Rumania)
          Liga Deportiva Universitaria de Quito(Ecuador)

          Fans own soccer clubs
          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fan-owned_sports_teams

          Branches of the armed froces own soccer clubs:
          CSKA=Central Sport Club of the Army(very common on easter europe)
          Fuerza Aerea Salvadoreña(FAS)(El Salvador)
          Escuela de Policias(Espoli) (Ecuador)

          Diferent business enterprises also own soccer clubs:
          FC Lokomotiv Moscow(Railways)
          Cobreloa(Chile-mining)

          Groups of inmigrants:
          Deportivo Italia(Venezuela)
          Union Española(Chile)
          Bentleigh Greens Soccer Club (Greeks-Australia)

          Why limit our ownership types to just one?
          How such a limitation can be good for the game?

          ……but there is more….single entity totally ignores two fundamental principles of the world game.

          1) Soccer’s universal approuch to be inclusive, to add as many as posible, openess instead of closeness. The United Nations counts 192 members,but 208 nations participated on the last world. From the biggest nations to the smallest tiniest islands, everybody is accepted!

          2) The capacity to reflect life.
          If you look to international club soccer, it is not to hard to notice that the bigger clubs are on the bigger and wealthier cities. Furthermore, not only soccer reflects economical realities but social, religious, political , historical implications as well. That gives the game a different dimention, symbolism, a sense of relevance wich is not present on the american sports culture that our “leadership” is forcing us adopt.

          So, Jeremy i agree, single entity definitly has its set backs.
          HUGE ONES!

          • jeromy says:

            Even the NFL 1 of the most successful league in the world sports wise is having horrible time keeping a team in Buffalo and Jacksonville and MANY cities would die for an NFL franchise and they can BARELY:Y keep people in the stands so I would not bet on allowing just ANYone to join MLS.

          • Alan says:

            Every negative you listed is not tied to single entity. It is tied to bad decisions. It is just as possible to make good decisions as it is to make bad decisions. Also, when those clubs you listed win a major championship, you let me know. Right now, they play for the privilege to be Man U and Barcelona’s whipping boys. Of course, that is a reflection on life and that is ok. The European system is so perfect. No flaws at all.

            You see, an open-minded person would look at the flaws and the benefits to both system and hope to bring the good stuff to US soccer. The troll just tries to show his supposed snobbish attitude on MLS blogs. People like you need to go away. You are not convincing anybody. You are just being a pest.

          • Alex says:

            Alan we don’t have to mimic Europe in every way but here’s the fundamental thing that has to happen sooner or later, promotion relegation or not (although for the good of the game that has to happen as well.), single entity has to go and accept the club model. Single entity does nothing but hold soccer back; it forces a artificial parity on clubs which makes for not only boring mediocre soccer but it handicaps clubs in the ccl. With the league owning all players and college drafts, slavery basically exist in mls. They get paid very little and don’t get the same rights that other soccer players get in other leagues. At least with the club model if a club chooses to exploit players and decide to keep cost low and impose a self budget cap then that’s find cuz its their autonomous management decision. But the fact the league (the individual owners who claim to all have a single mindset yet all are in mls for their own individual gains) conspires to predetermine how soccer should be packaged in America is wrong and frankly illegal under the Sherman act. Praise all you want single entity and the mls cartel but youre not going to see mls grow under single entity.

    • Roger(Ptomotion/Relegation) says:

      well…it didn’t take too long! Didn’t it?

      First regular seasson game postponed for trying to “acomodate” a friendly.

      MLS cherleaders, dont worry, you just have to keep ignoring the facts, no matter if they keep popping up in front of your faces so often.
      Keep your slogan up…”MLS till I die!”

  7. jeromy says:

    I understand people’s frusteration with MLS but…. As a huge fan since the ’09 season of the Sounders inagural, i have seen huge strides in bettering the league, heck the Sounder’s front office relized after last year that the Fan’s dont want a bunch of friendlies so they are only doing 1 this year. Play-off’s they revamped a bit so the west’s super powers dont knock eachother out in the 1st round and have a jerk off club switch over to the east and donminate to take the cup. seems most clubs are going for more dps to bring in more talent for the league. more and more stadiums (soccer-specific) are being built. As i see it MLS is only getting better. Slow process im sure for you all that have been fans for so long but all good things take time. and remember most euro leagues have a couple- to like 4 dominate clubs and the rest are cannon fodder to the rest, yes the single entity system has it’s faults, but i like the fact the league is so competitive, you never know for sure who will take the cup.

    • Heimdall says:

      For the playoffs, all they did was guarantee that the SS winner has an easier road. The #2 West team will still have to face the #3 West team and the #1 East team will face the top remaining wild card team, which should be the #4 West team and the west team should advance, leaving the eastern team to say, crap the #2 East team has an easier road against the #3 East team. It is still good to be a East#2 or #3, a little easier for the top seeds, harder for the Wild Card teams, and the Western side is still stacked. The playoff seeding system is ridiculous when everyone plays the same schedule.

      What will be interesting is after Montreal (this is going to be a train wreck of the organization) and NY and then one more round of expansion, there’s going to be a big divide between the teams that want to spend more and the teams that don’t want to spend and have spent poorly (built stadium too far away) or spent an enormous amount of money to keep the league alive. Hopefully no relocation occurs unless a team moves to a different part of the city.

  8. Roger(Promotion/Relegation) says:

    @Alan

    “……..Also, when those clubs you listed win a major championship, you let me know. Right now, they play for the privilege to be Man U and Barcelona’s whipping boys”

    *Barcelona is one of those clubs(owned by the fans)[4 times european champions]

    *Real Madrid(owned by the fans) [record 9 times european champion]

    • Alan says:

      @Roger(Promotion/Relegation)

      You never listed either club. A wiki link does not count. Regardless of who owns them, Barcelona spend more than any other club in the world. It is not even a proper competition. Let’s see. The top club spends 20 million times more than the bottom club. Newly promoted clubs stay at the bottom of the table. IF they are lucky enough to move up the table, they will NEVER beat a team that outspends them by as much as they do. The game is pointless. Any system that values money over fair competition is pointless. To be fair, promotion and relegation does not have to be like that. There can be fairness in salaries to a reasonable extent, but lets stop pretending that these competitions are legitimate. The division 2 clubs can at least have a shot at winning something.

  9. Roger(Promotion/Relegation) says:

    @Alan

    “You never listed either club. A wiki link does not count”
    LOTFLLLLLL. not being sarcastic, i am actually LOTFL…

    Does reality count?

    The point I wanted to make is that “single entity” limits our potential in many different ways. It makes sense for the owners/investors. Not for the fans on cities that are “not invited”! Not for the players! Not for the game!

    Why limit our ownership types to just one?
    How can such limitation be good for the game?

    I think that the main reason why soccer is the most popular game on the planet is the philosophy of openness that it has followed for more than a century.
    American sports have been “shaped” by different priorities. A very high enphasis on the business aspect has made them very suscessfulll economically, but they have lacked the global vision of soccer.

    The promotion and relegation debate is, in my opinion a philosophical one, that brings a few key questions.

    Should sports leagues be conceived as primarily a business?
    Should we also consider the social benefits that sports teams can bring to cities?
    More cities with soccer clubs would undoubtly mean more youngsters involved on a positive healthy practice. Therefore, helping to create a better society. Such benefit can not be quantify in dollars.

    The way we design sport leagues affects several parties. It affects the cities, the owners, the players, the fans, the society. All of them should be considered! There should be a balance!

    “The most important thing… is not winning but taking part”
    Pierre de Coubertin

    • Alan says:

      You are missing the point. Under the current European system, the same 2 or 3 clubs win everything. That is the point of a sport and of a sports league. It is not supposed to be about who wins a championship based on who spends more, no matter who owns it. You can argue against that point until you are blue in the face, but sports fans in the United States HATE that. Even the Yankees and Lakers in the US (not that I am a fan of either sport) can lose. A team outside the big 2 or 3 can win. An even playing field is not artificial.

      And for the love of God, will kill your own argument with your ignorance of me. As I have stated in the past, I don’t support every decision Garber and MLS make. Please stop making everything so black and white. Everything you say is Garber vs. the exact opposite system. Please start thinking for yourself. There are many ways to do things.

  10. gerah says:

    It’s going to be Chicago vs Seattle for the right to be the true Kings of the modern US Open Cup. Chicago wins, they reach 5 trophies and it will be a while before somebody catches them, Seattle wins, they are just one behind Chicago. Exciting.

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