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Poll: Biggest Winners and Losers On Transfer Deadline Day?

fernando torres chelsea1 Poll: Biggest Winners and Losers On Transfer Deadline Day?

The whirlwind Premier League transfer deadline day has ended. There are still some deals being sewn up, but the big news is that the deal for Fernando Torres going from Liverpool to Chelsea has been finalized. The £50 million deal makes the Torres transfer the most expensive signing ever by a British club. Amazingly, on the same day, another record was broken when Andy Carroll became the most expensive English player in the history of football after Liverpool paid £35 million to lure the striker from Newcastle United.

Depending on your outlook, there are definitely some winners and losers from the deadline day transfer dealings. But which clubs do you believe will end up the winners and losers? Vote in the two polls below and share your feedback in the comments section.

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50 Responses to Poll: Biggest Winners and Losers On Transfer Deadline Day?

  1. jbm says:

    Liverpool lost a star striker… but he has only scored 2 goals in 11 games. And they got £50 mill for him. They also got two great strikers in return and would have gotten more if they weren’t turned down.

    Newcastle lost their striker at the last minute. I think they’re the losers.

  2. ecron says:

    Maybe now it is time to follow the player and not the club? Andy Carroll for England No9.

  3. Smokey Bacon says:

    Hard to argue with Newcastle being the losers, losing Carroll without signing a replacement. Nice work Ashley! But Liverpool winners? Lost a world class striker, and were panicked into splurging the money on a two relatively unproven players. No way were either of those two part of King Kenny’s rebuilding before last Friday. Plus they have nobody to supply either of these two. if they had got Ashely Young or even Downing then maybe. Otherwise Chelsea got the better result.

    • Dan says:

      Losing Carroll sucks but I’m sorry for the money they got for him they got a great deal. The kid has really not proven himself yet. Liverpool are the losers I think. They lost their star player and turned out to be retarded for the cash they paid for Carroll. Although Torres really is a shadow of what he used to be…

      • Nathan says:

        How can Liverpool be the losers when, as you say, “Torres really is a shadow of what he used to be.” 50 million for a striker who is performing poorly seems to be a fantastic bit of business for Liverpool. I would agree that Carroll for 35M seems high, but what were the alternatives at that stage of the game? It is very probable that no one will regret that move in a few years. We will see…

    • Neil says:

      Carroll for 35mil is a bit of a gamble, but to say Suarez is unproven is just plain daft. 81 goals in 110 games for Ajax. Dutch player of the year 2010. Only 24 years old. 22.8 million looks like a relatively decent investment to me.

  4. Bishopville Red says:

    Biggest winner? On deadline day? Villa, easy. Michael Bradley on loan and didn’t get their squad picked apart. Good work.

    Biggest loser – also easy – LIVERPOOL. How do you make £50 million in one day, and end up in the hole by midnight? Spent more than they made (don’t be confused, this team still has $$$ issues.), spending way more in salaries than they were yesterday, the best player who moved today left this club, and they STILL haven’t done anything about heir hopeless defending.

    On top of that, the star forward thy just signed would probably have been the ideal forward for the style of play their fired manager was promoting.

    Two words: Bass. Ackwards.

    • Dave C says:

      So Villa signing Bradley makes them bigger winners than Chelsea signing Torres?? Bit odd…

      Also, is it a fact that they’re paying more in salaries than they were yesterday? Maybe Carroll and Suarez combined are on less than Torres – that’s not hard to believe. Although even if they are paying more, they’ve got two new players, so I don’t know if that’s necessarily a bad thing.

      • Bishopville Red says:

        Chelsea clearly got the better player, that’s beyond dispute. But when your owner is a billionaire, what’s £50 million? It’s all couch money, and not exactly rocket science to throw gobs of cash at a cash strapped club for a player whose been sulking for the better bart of 18 months, and whose play has been a shadow of his former self. And if by some fluke Torres really does suck now, Roman just shrugs and goes out and buys another £50 million striker in the summer. There’s not much skill in that.

        By contrast, despite doing nothing but taking it in the teeth since he got here, Gerard Houllier pulled off a bit of solid work. Villa not only collected a good player for free, they also managed to keep the rest of the big clubs’ hands off their roster. For Villa, that’s massive. No use in going a bold step forward with the Bent signing if you take two steps backwards when Young gets plucked from you.

        Back to Chelsea for a second: Apparently, Abramovich was supposed to be a bigwig with the whole Financial Fair Play program, which doesn’t want clubs to to host an annual loss of more than something like £45 million. On the day his club announces a £70 million shortfall, he spent £75 million more.

        As far as salaries go, It’s very hard to believe that two guys worth a combined total of £60million would accept wages less than the guy who Liverpool bought for £25 million. Word had it Torres was on £100-110K a week. Word also has it that Carroll just boosted from £30k to 80K a week with this signing. Do you think World Cup hero and £25 million player Suarez accepted only about £30K/ wk? If he did, he needs to fire his agent.

        • Gaz Hunt says:

          It’s hard not to be blinded by colours but I really do think Liverpool are doing a good bit of business here.

          I believe Torres was ~110 / week and Babel was ~60 / week. Reports say Carroll will get ~80 / week and Suarez will probably get something similar.

          So the wage bill goes down by ~10k

          Torres and Babel got us ~55 million in. Suarez and Carroll took ~60 out.

          So we spent ~5 million.

          Most importantly, we get lots of money for a player that doesn’t want to play for us anymore and trade him for two players that, seemingly, want to impress.

          These two players are not up to par with Torres but they are aged 22 and 24. In four years time, Torres will be retiring and they will be getting into their prime.

          If even one of these two players (ahem, England’s future number 9) does well, we can more than recoup costs by selling and doing the whole one established player for two emerging talents all over again.

          • Sean says:

            I agree with pretty much everything you wrote. I believe the net spending figure however is closer to £2 million than £5 million.

        • Dave C says:

          I generally take salary info reported in the press with a pinch of salt, but anyway, even if they ARE paying more in salary (for Suarez and Carroll compared to just Torres), the pay-off is they have two good players who want to play for them, rather than one very good player who doesn’t.

          I see what you mean about Villa though. They’ve certainly done a good job in keeping hold of Downing, Young etc. And bringing Bradley is a pretty good move for them.

          • Gaz Hunt says:

            Suarez and Carroll salary information is still unknown but I’d say 80 thousand a week is the most they would be. In the case of Torres and Babel, there’s no pinch of salt needed.

            Torres stated his salary to the press while at Liverpool and Babel’s salary is easily figured out by using his fines (one example is that he got fined two weeks wages – 120 thousand). Both are cited on Wikipedia.

  5. Nathan says:

    First of all, I am a Liverpool fan. Second of all, besides a jersey, I named my dog Torres when I got him three years ago.

    That said, I am a bit relieved to see Torres go. I don’t think the Torres that we will see with Chelsea (more than likely very successful) with the one we saw this past fall. Not only did the Torres at Liverpool have nothing to prove, but it was actually the club and everyone else that had it all to prove to him. In return, he was sulking, frustrated, and gave it about 60-70% on the pitch. At Chelsea, he will be the one who has to prove himself, and while I think he will, that ship sailed a while ago at Liverpool. So it will be unfair to say that Liverpool are losers in this solely if Torres is successful, but rather we will have to wait and see if the reinvestment of those funds proves fruitful. But as to Torres himself, it was time for him to see himself out the door.

  6. Adam says:

    I literally do not know what to say? How can Newcastle sell our best player in the 11.5th hour with nowt to replace him? All this after being relegated only a season ago (you know what I mean). What does this tell the fans? Then to make matters worse, I hear all this nonsense about failed last ditch bids for N’Zogbia!!!!!of all people. Someone who turned his back on the club in the middle of a relegation scrap. I challenge anyone to name another football club, nay another sporting franchise in the world who would do all this to their fans.

    And to make matters worse, my brand new Andy Carroll kit came in the mail today. That’s just not right.

    • Joe says:

      Have you heard of the Cleveland Browns? How about the Seattle Supersonics? Baltimore Colts? When it comes to screwing over you fans nothing beats skipping town completely. At least THAT doesn’t happen in the EPL.

      • Bruce Gottesman says:

        That’s true. As a soccer fan in South Florida, having the Miami Fusion contracted was worse than this. As I’ve mentioned here before, when that happened I turned my back on MLS (I’ve still yet to watch a full 90 minutes of an MLS match, and it’s 9 years on now) and had to pick a new team to support. I chose Fusion Manager Ray Hudson’s old club – Newcastle. Still, whether Ashley or Carroll is to blame, to have this come to pass out of the blue on deadline day is pretty vile. I’ll still watch Wednesday – thanks ESPN3 – but it will be pretty tough for the club to pull it together.

  7. Bruce Gottesman says:

    Actually the biggest winner was Mike Ashley. Newcastle fans? Not so much. Wonder if Ashley will be in attendance Saturday at St. James’ – sorry, I mean SportsDirect.com @ SJP – against Arsenal. Might be some seriously angry natives if it’s learned he pushed Carroll out…

    • DC Gunner says:

      Does anyone even really believe there was a serious effort to bring in a new striker at the last minute? And to see Sky Sports going on about how devastated Ashley was when Carroll supposedly turned in his “transfer request”… I almost fell out of my chair laughing

  8. DC Gunner says:

    Torres may not have been in form lately but I think this could be real coup for Chelsea. It might be too late for them in the league but I would not be surprised at all to see him slot right into that team, not to mention Luiz. Champions League is a real possibility. Or they could just lose to Copenhagen…

  9. west coast villan says:

    Winners Aston Villa. Two weeks ago who would have thought that Darren Bent would look like a huge bargain.

  10. David G says:

    I think the Charlie Adams business was embarrising. Clearly a desperation move and I’m glad it failed to go through. Another attacking midfielder is something Spurs clearly don’t need…unless Pienaar and Adams are going to replace Modric and Bale when they leave this Summer.

    I also don’t understand why the Spurs didn’t try to strengthen their defense if they were unable to get a striker. David Luiz for 21 million is good buy and he could have paired with Dawson for a long time in central defense. He also can play LB where we currently have no back up.

  11. JC says:

    What a great ending to the Jan Transfer window. I wasn’t able to follow it live, but it was fun to read the updates on that other thread just now. :)

    I think the Liverpool stuff is cool because their striking partnership has the potential to be great. And if isn’t, we (as neutrals) get the pleasure of watching them struggle to avoid relegation.

    Speaking of which, great news about Charlie Adam, as this gives the most exciting club in the league a chance to, um, well, stay in the league.

  12. Malcolm says:

    Biggest winner by a mile: Newcastle United for getting 35 million pounds for a Champioship-type player with half a season experience in the EPL and with disciplinary problems. Carroll is the next Heskey, nothing more.

    Biggest losers by a mile: Liverpool for panic-buying an unproven player with baggage. Just don’t let Carrol and Gerard go out together or both will be in jail by morning.

    See what happens when the English media hypes up these ordinary English players,teams have to shell out 35 million for average players.And to think people were kicking up a fuss when Bent went for 24 million.If Caroll can fetch 35 then by comparison Bent could have gone for 70,seeing that he is two times better IMO.

    This was definitely the January of Madness. And to think NESV were supposed to act responsibly. What a joke!

  13. Nick B says:

    I don’t know how you can say that Liverpool is a winner. They lost a world class player and gained two players who were just in the Championship a year ago. In fact I don’t think either of them led Championship a year ago. Arsenal was also a pretty big loser, needing a defender and having probably the most fiscally responsible club in the EPL decided to do… nothing. They have a good chance at making a run for the title and opt for the option in nothing.

    The winner is Villa. Two weeks ago people were calling 18m for Bent being ludicrous and wasteful spending. Well after 35 for Carroll, 25 for Luiz, and 48 for Torres. Seems like a bargain deal. They also add Makoun and Bradley. Also get rid of their waste (temporarily), Ireland and Carew. While holding on to their gem, Ashley Young.

    • Sean says:

      “They lost a world class player and gained two players who were just in the Championship a year ago.”

      I did not realize Ajax played in the Championship.

      • Gaz Hunt says:

        That ex-Championship player has scored more goals for his club (in less appearances) than Torres has for Liverpool.

        Having said that, I’m sure Torres will do ten-times better at a new club. He wasn’t going to do it at Liverpool, however.

  14. Terry says:

    Liverpool’s buying of Carrol for 35 million pounds make Manchester City look like bargain hunters. City paid much less for a proven player at the highest level, Edin Dzeko. David Villa cost Barcelona 34 million. What were Liverpool thinking? Oh yes, they weren’t thinking!

    Carroll has a history of off-field problems, his latest 3 week injury was not football-related but pub-related. He fell off a bar stool. Brilliant. Now maybe Gerard can take him under his wings and show him how to behave in a pub. Brilliant.

  15. Abe says:

    Liverpool were definitely the biggest losers. Paying 35 million for an unproven and untested talent is pure madness. When Henry wakes up in the morning he is going to feel like he was mugged in pure daylight. Mike Ashley must be laughing all the way to the bank. Who knows maybe in the summer he’ll sell Joey Barton to Liverpool for 45 million pounds. If king Kenny had anything to do with this then surely “the king is mad”.

  16. Kal says:

    Gaffer,
    As far as winners and losers are concerned, I think there are long term concerns with this type of spending especially with the new UEFA financial fair play rules coming into effect next season. I would love to see an article about how the EPL clubs would cope with such regulations in future and how this type of spending affects them.

  17. Gerry says:

    Liverpool could have got Llorente or Negredo for much less than 35 million. Those two players are better technically and are powerful players as well. Carroll has very little technical talent. This was pure panic-buy. Even a sulky Torres would have been better than a bar-stool falling Carroll.

    Aston Villa are now looking good for having paid 18 million that could go as high as 24 million with add-ons for Bent. Bent scores more and has been doing it for a long time. Carrol only has 1/2 season in the EPL and has off-field troubles. With a questionable character why would anyone pay that much for an unproven player.

    January 31, 2011 will forever be known as the day Liverpool sold one of the world’s best strikers, Torres, and replaced him with an overhyped English talent, Carroll, not even 1/3 as good as Torres. The day Liverpool cemented their mid-table credentials once and for all.

  18. brn442 says:

    You can say Newcastle were losers but if they stay up, and that’s really their only goal this season, then they will feel really good spending the cash this summer. But will they buy a mega star, like Shearer after Cole left or will they buy 3 cheaper prospects?

    I think Liverpool fans will understand in a few months, if Torres stays fit, why he left. Apart from the circus in the Liverpool boardroom, he had to deal with it on the pitch as well. Three mangers in 12 months, 3 owners in four years. How many times has he sulked isolated, as he got balls played so far in front of or so high above him that it wasn’t even worth the bother.

    The silver lining – he can now stick it to Man U, Arsenal, Spurs and City with all that Chelsea midfield support.

    True winner is Ian Holloway, he holds on to Adams,, at least till summer. Relegation or not, there would be no “what ifs” from the media.

  19. Sean says:

    For all of you saying that Liverpool made a mistake in signing Carroll, I just want to point out a few things to you.

    One, did you notice that they loaned out Paul Konchesky yesterday?

    While some of you either do not care or did not notice, that moved meant that Liverpool only had seven home-grown players. They HAD to sign another player who met the home-grown rule in order to be able to register their squad.

    Sure, they could have kept Konchesky but, why keep a player that you have zero interest in playing?

    They could have tried harder to get Ashley Young or Stephen Warnock but Villa did not seem interested.

    Do I think Liverpool overspent? Yes. Nonetheless, considering their need for another home-grown player, the relatively high cost of English players to begin with, Fernando Torres’ abrupt exit (thus creating the need for a striker) and the very public fact that they had a big bag of money, it is not hard to see why they had to pay as much as they did for Carroll.

    Moreover, to Gerry who stated that they could have gotten Llorente or Negredo for a cheaper price, like I previously stated, they still would have needed to sign another player who met the home-grown rule. Who is to say they did not look into that but found it too costly once they factored in how much it would be to get another home-grown player in addition to that? Moreover, just because a player is decent in one league, it does not mean he will be in another. Andy Carroll is over three years younger than both of them, has seen his game rise every step up in competition he has faced and is at least a bit of a known commodity in English football.

    • Sean says:

      Also, from the book Mind Game: How the Boston Red Sox Got Smart, Won a World Series, and Created a New Blueprint for Winning part of John W. Henry’s strategy that made the Red Sox successful was to “Fill holes at above market prices when necessary”.

  20. Jason says:

    I think Liverpool are the winners. Did they overpay for Carroll? Absolutely. However, I believe that Carroll and Suarez compliment each other so nicely. I say this as a Spurs supporter. It’s not always about getting the best player out there it’s about getting a piece that fits and I think Carrol fits. I think he would have fit in a Spurs shirt as well but thats just my opinion ;-)

    In regards to fitting I’m not sure how Drogba and Torres fit. Both of them are individually top class, however I don’t think I like that partnership. They are both born finishers so I’m not sure they can work together and I think that could cause Torres to have another tantrum. Drogba will have to be the bigger man here and we will see if that happens.

    • jeneria says:

      I’m glad someone said what you said in both posts. Liverpool clearly needed a home grown player, Torres clearly was in perma bitch face mode and wanted out, Liverpool needs to start rebuilding and that’s going to cost, especially for home grown players. Everyone will be overpaying for home grown talent, the new rules make that a reality.

      I’m sad to see Torres go, but only marginally. His production has been down, he’s been injured a bit, and there’s no denying that he was in full on pout mode. I think adding Suarez further pissed Torres off because I don’t think he wants to be in a partnership as much as he wants to be the only scoring threat (which isn’t going to happen at Chelsea. Drogba is a beast.)

      Also, I have been asking myself for two years now if there isn’t a larger reason that Torres isn’t a starter for the Spanish national team.

  21. JonesJunior says:

    I actually think Liverpool gained more than they lost. They now have two guys who are going to bus their ass out there.

    I know this is an EPL forum, but Inter and Milan did work. I also have a sneaking suspicion we’ll see Pato and Milito looking for transfers outside Italy come the summer.

  22. Sean says:

    Torres shows his true colors by saying that now he is playing for a top club. Doesn’t he know that Liverpool has 18 league titles to Chelsea’s 4? Liverpool has 5 Champions League titles to Chelsea’s 0. These are the two things that Torres wants to win, and the two titles that Liverpool brought him in to win. Liverpool is better off.

  23. Anthony says:

    Biggest winners: Chelsea. They now have a terrific central defender to cover for the slowing Terry. Torres can score goals and has pace to match.

    Biggest losers: Liverpool. They replaced Torres with Carroll who is just a big, strong striker with no pace and skill. The English media has overhyped him. Suarez is better than Carroll but he will find the EPL more difficult to score in. Surez has a better chance to be a success than Carroll. Also carrol has a history of off-field problems and his present three month injury was not football-related.

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