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The Drafts Are Over! Now Give Your Feedback

mls ball 300x199 The Drafts Are Over! Now Give Your FeedbackThe MLS drafts are finally over.  After over a month of players being picked, picks being declined, picks being traded, and picks being digested, there will be no more MLS drafts until the Montreal Expansion Draft at the end of this year.  To recap, we’ve seen:

  • The Vancouver and Portland Expansion draft, where teams had 10 protected players but had to submit a list of unprotected players to the two expansion clubs.  Portland and Vancouver then each had 10 chances to pick from those lists.
  • The Re-Entry Draft, which was new this year thanks to the CBA.  Players who were out of a contract and had a certain amount of service time in MLS were eligible to be chosen by another team and offered a new contract, either at their previous contract level (1st draft) or new salary (2nd draft).
  • The MLS SuperDraft, where clubs selected players from the collegiate and international levels, as well as Generation adidas players.  This was the draft most like what you would see in other major American sports.
  • The MLS Supplemental Draft, which was yesterday.  Honestly, this draft was just the next few rounds of the SuperDraft but for those who had a favorite collegiate program/player, or who were waiting for their team to pick a certain position, it was interesting.

So use the comments section and poll below to choose which of the four drafts this year were your favorite.  The criteria are your own, but I’d only ask that you explain your answer below.  Later this week I’ll have my winners and losers of the MLS 2011 drafts.

24 Responses to The Drafts Are Over! Now Give Your Feedback

  1. Tom says:

    Other than the Super and the Expansion, I don’t know what the other drafts are. Biggest Rapids story this off-season is if we can keep Omar Cummings.

    • Charles says:

      He is not playing in England, his National team isn’t good enough for England. What a joke.
      You are good enough, but you can’t play here because your country isn’t good enough.

      • Dave C says:

        Charles – what do you mean?
        I just looked up Omar Cumming’s wikipedia entry. He had a trial with Aston Villa but it fell through due to work permit issues. I’m kind of surprised at that, since I thought it was relatively easy for Jamaicans to get British residency.

        I don’t understand what you mean about “his national team isn’t good enough for England.”

        • bradjmoore48 says:

          Dave – The reason Cummings work permit didn’t go through was because the Premier League has a rule that, unless you have an EU or UK passport, to play in England, you have to be an international player for a nation that has averaged being above 70th in the FIFA rankings in the last two years. Jamaica averaged 71st or 72nd, so Cummings could not get a permit as an international. So that is what Charles meant when he said “his national team isn’t good enough for England.”

          • Dave C says:

            That’s what I thought he meant…but I thought it so obvious and fairly sensible that a country has some kind of border/immigration controls that I can’t believe anyone would take issue with it. It’s not enough to be simply “good enough” to do a job – you have to be so talented that an equivalent employee could not be found from the country’s existing labour pool.

            And that applies to any job – simply being “good enough to be a semi-skilled construction worker” isn’t enough to get you a green card (otherwise there would be no such thing as illegal immigration). If you have some highly prized skill that can’t be found in the existing labour force (eg your some kind of rocket scientist etc), then you can get a green card.

      • Tom says:

        While I’m glad Cummings is staying; this time I agree with you Charles- the UK work permit system is not rational. International soccer is increasingly antiquated, and also not as a high a standard as the EPL, and should have little to do with work permit eligability. That is not to say I don’t enjoy watching international soccer (I am concerned about how FIFA and others damage it) but club soccer is a better measure of player’s talent. A great MLS player deserves a shot regardless of his nationality.

        Having said that, the Rapids should designate him at DP and offer more money. We don’t need him to sulk, and we should secure him up so if he takes a shot in the summer, the league gets the transfer fee. He is entering the final year of his contract.

        • Dave C says:

          I agree that the system is somewhat antiquated – if a great player plays for a lousy national team (eg George Weah), it seems a bit ridiculous that it should be so hard to get a work permit simply because his national team is outside the top 70 (in fact I’m surprised no-one has ever challenged that law on the grounds that it is akin to racism). Likewise, I’ve always found it odd that work pemit applicants are required to have played in a certain percentage of international games over the last two years. In the case of someone from Brazil, you could be a pretty awesome player (and a benefit to the EPL) without ever getting a sniff at the Brazilian national team.

          However, I think it’s only reasonable that a country has some control over who can and cannot work there. And the general ethos is that in order to get a work permit, you have to provide some skill or expertise that is not already readily available in the country (unless you have some familial links). And in the case of Cummings, I’m not sur if he’s really demonstrated that. Sure, he’s had a decent season in the MSL. But there are already a bunch of English players lower down the league ladder who could do that, so there is no real need for Villa to hire him as opposed to a young British player.

  2. Charles says:

    I think the drafts have done what most MLS fans want them to do, create a league where all teams have a shot of winning.

    Look at the bottom of the league….
    DC, picking up some players isn’t very far away.
    The expansion teams ( Philly too ) all got better quickly.
    Houston was deemed the biggest winner by some.

    Good stuff that will make every week exciting and every game worth going to.

    For the MLS fans, that don’t like parity, you might want to find yourself a different league.
    Great articles over at SounderatHeart.com talk about parity show MLS to be tops in parity among sports league Americans care about.

    The drafts are a big part of that. When they came out with the salary caps. I thought they were too low. MLS needs to be able to get talent in the league.
    I have change my thinking. They have been able to sign, retain and disperse players inside of the draft, thus increasing the talent in teams across the board, without raising salary caps, which would decrease the excitement brought by parity.

    I would say “The Don for President”, but I don’t want him to leave MLS.

    • bradjmoore48 says:

      Wow, Charles, that 2nd to last paragraph sounds practically un-American. So players should never be allowed to ask for more money for their hard work and, if not, find another employer who would pay what said player should be making, all for the sake of an appearance of parity?

      Yes, I read the Sounder at Heart articles, and they were quite good. But you must have not been reading closely if the only thing you took from it was “MLS is #1 in parity.” The author actually suggests that limits to control player movement should be relaxed and the salary cap upped. You can do those 2 things and still have parity. Players would be less likely to leave the league for Scandanavia if they got good money and could go where their services would be respected by a proper income. The cap is there to make sure the players, and the owners, don’t overdue it. It also still requires teams to maximize limited resources to build a championship winning side.

      Also, the idea of parity is subjective, as the Sounder at Heart article stated. The New England Patriots and Indianapolis Colts won 70% of their games in the 2000s, in the EPL, Manchester United and Chelsea won the same percentage of games. BUT, between them, Indy and NE only won 4 Super Bowls out of 10, while ManU and Chelsea won 8 EPL titles. Why was this? The NFL has playoffs, a 2nd season, where anything goes, and they have a 16 game schedule, a smaller sample size where 1 loss means more than 1 loss in the Premier League. The NFL then really isn’t all that different from EPL in terms of parity, 2 teams dominate the league, but because of the playoffs and a shorter season, the appearance of parity is there. MLS is no different – hypothetically, is it parity if Seattle wins 5 Supporters Shields but no MLS Cups? What if Seattle finished in 7th or 8th those 5 years in the regular season, but won 5 MLS Cups? Does either of those scenarios represent parity any better the other?

      • Robert says:

        Bravo! Bravo! Bravo! Well said my friend. Well said… Would you like to get an MLS Draft errr… I mean a Bud Draft sometime?

      • Charles says:

        Not sure if this is going to post in the right spot, but
        bradjmoore48, your statement that:

        “The NFL then really isn’t all that different from EPL in terms of parity, 2 teams dominate the league, but because of the playoffs and a shorter season, the appearance of parity is there.”

        is crazy, there is no way you believe that. Did you even read the parity article. The EPL is a parity joke.

        My Seahawks were 13-3, 6 years ago ( I would guess that was the best record/close to the best in football that year). After that they were in a battle for being the worst team in football. What example do you have of that in the EPL?

        There are MANY other ones. How about the “Greatest Show on Turf” Rams ? The Cardinals, 3-13 and 10-6 in the same decade.
        How about the 49ers ? San Fran was 12-4 in 1999 and 4-12 in 2005.
        That is one division out of 8 ! 4 teams out of 32. Don’t make me show the rest.

        • bradjmoore48 says:

          Charles – How are those NFL examples you give any different than, say, the rise of Manchester City and Tottenham in the EPL table, or the fall of Liverpool? Teams go up and down there as well as in the NFL. But in the NFL regular season, most still lose to the Colts or Pats if they have to play them.

          I wasn’t saying the EPL has great parity, it’s that the stats say that if the NFL was a 38-game season with no playoffs, the Colts and Patriots would be at the top every year, no different than EPL. Conversely, if the EPL was only 16 games, and then the top 12 teams made playoffs, I can assure you ManU and Chelsea would not win the EPL every year. Because the NFL has a shorter season and playoffs, that’s why other teams get a shot. Again, we go back to Moneyball the book – Oakland A’s could win 95 games a year with their system, but they always blew out of the playoffs, why? Because the system they used to win games accounted for a long 162-game season, not a 7-game sample size. In a 7 game series, 1 bad call, 1 bad game has much more impact. With more games, one bad loss or even one bad call against you works out over the long term, which is why the best teams end up at the top of the EPL even if they drop points here and there. You REALLY should read Simon Kuper and Stefan Syzmanski’s(?) Soccernomics, they explain this very well. It’s not that different from the Sounder at Heart article either, but clearly you decided to only take “MLS is #1″ from it.

          • bradjmoore48 says:

            Also, another point on parity – it’s an interesting paradox, but most American sports leagues never got big in the sporting conscience until there was a dynasty – look at the New York Yankees of the 1920s and 1930s, the Boston Celtics of the 1960s, the Vince Lombardi era Green Bay Packers, and then the rivalries that came from that: Yankees-Red Sox, Lakers-Celtics. So, while it goes against the model of “everyone has a shot” most people are generally attracted to, as Richard Farley points out in a great piece I’ll put the link to, “high-profile outings.” MLS could benefit from having a superclub, a real one, not the one Alexi Lalas referred to when they got Beckham in 2008 and still finished near the bottom of MLS. The EPL has used it to their benefit – we groan how ManU, Chelsea or Arsenal always win, but its part of the reason they’ve gotten so big.

            Here’s the article, and look especially at the last two paragraphs:

            http://worldsoccerreader.com/2010/08/anchoring-the-casual-fan-major-league-soccers-parity-paradox/

          • Dave C says:

            Yeah Villa, Newcastle and Leeds are also good examples of teams pretty rapidly changing from being one of the top teams in the league to one of the worse. Hell, if you’re only looking at 16 game samples (like the NFL season), then even Hull City went from being one of the worst in the Championship, to one of the best in the Championship, to one of the best in the EPL, to one of the worst in the EPL over two seasons.

          • Charles says:

            You are right the EPL has parity on par with real leagues. Sorry.

            Not sure why you say Colts, Steelers have won more SuperBowls this decade.

            I got confused when Everton a middle of the pack ( out of small 20 team league ) was 500-1 shot to win the EPL and the worst odds of an NFL team ( a 32 team league ) was about the same.
            I can hear you saying the playoffs cause that…anyone can win.

            Lets look at best record, regular season….

            Best records in NFL
            2000 Titans
            2001 Rams
            2002 Packers, Bucs and Eagles
            2003 Patriots
            2004 Steelers
            2005 Colts…..wow this is getting laughable…we are at 8 teams
            2006 Chargers
            2007 Patriots
            2008 Titans
            2009 Colts
            2010 Patriots

            9 different teams. 7 without the tie.
            Some second place teams …Ravens, Bears, Saints, Chargers
            This is so funny, I am going backward till I repeat…

            1999 Jaguars…we have another
            1998 Vikings…followed by Broncos and Falcons
            1997 49ers, Chiefs and Packers ( shoot…the fun is over on a bloody tie….I HATE TIES )

  3. Charles says:

    Non-negative article = No Roger and Friends

  4. bradjmoore48 says:

    This off-season has been draft season overload. There should just be the Expansion Draft (when expansion teams enter) and a combined, 1-day, 6-round SuperDraft/Supplemental Draft. Those two listed have a stated purpose: Expansion Draft gets some names on the roster for new teams, Super/Supplemental Draft places college kids going pro. But the re-entry drafts are not necessary, just allow free agency for veteran MLS players out of contract and allow them to negotiate with clubs they chose.

    • CoconutMonkey says:

      MLS will remain the most draft-happy league in the world until the current CBA expires (I forget when).

      That said, I think the CBA was a great compromise. I think both sides had their needs met pretty well. Despite this, I still think some kind of free agency is pretty much inevitable (but not in this decade IMO).

  5. GI Joe says:

    I’m still trying to understand why MLS wants so many Drafts!
    MLS had 1 Expansion Draft, 2 Re-Entry Drafts, 1 SuperDraft and 1 Supplemental Draft!
    My idea:
    - November: Expansion Draft (this depends on the circunstances)
    - December: Re-entry Draft (Just one time please)
    - January: Superdraft (make it with 5 rounds)

  6. Dave C says:

    Totally off-topic, but I thought MLS Talk might be interested (if they don’t know already) : Eric Cantona has joined NY Cosmos as Director of Football.

    • Charles says:

      Cosmos almost certainly are going to the be the 20th team….and I already know one guy that will switch from RBNY to Cosmos fan.

      • Robert Hay says:

        Dave C. – EPL Talk has an article on his hiring. Since he is a Manchester United guy, they took the lead on the coverage. If you don’t see an article here, always check our network sites as coverage is spread out throughout them.

      • Dave C says:

        I already know one guy that will switch from RBNY to Cosmos fan.

        It’s kind of sad that someone would do that. But if its any consolation, I know at least one guy (i.e. myself) who would switch from being not really an MLS fan at all, to being a Cosmos fan.

        • Charles says:

          Not at all, he used to serve beer at the Cosmos games back in the 1970s.

          He is a RedBulls fan because…
          He is a Cosmos fan without a team.

          Better than becoming a Euro-tool rooting for some English/Spanish team that is 50/50 to win the league.

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