Premier League Saturday, Gameweek 13: Open Thread

Fulham v Aston Villa, Premier League 6/11/2010 Aston Villa Manager, Gerard Houllier  Photo Marc Atkins Fotosports International Photo via Newscom

It’s only been a few days since the last round of Premier League games but there should be some interesting matches played out today across England from Birmingham (Aston Villa against Manchester) to Newcastle (United against Fulham), to Stoke-On-Trent (for Stoke City versus Liverpool), London (Spurs against Blackburn) and more.

Feel free to use the comments section below to post your comments, questions or to rant.

19 thoughts on “Premier League Saturday, Gameweek 13: Open Thread”

  1. What a game!!!!! This has easily been the best ESPN2 game of the season. Could United have looked more dead in the water? Lets see if there is any magic left for either side.

    1. Brilliant match! Definitely a perfect start to a Saturday morning. Excellent performance by Aston Villa. Manchester United again look vulnerable and were lucky to come back and draw this match.

      The Gaffer

  2. And once again, United get away with probably two red card offenses and are allowed to comeback. Nani’s elbow to Warnock was deliberate and someone that only gets a yellow, while Young gets brought down by Brown in the box, earns a penalty, and somehow Rio Ferdinand who was coming from behind on the play was somehow the reason that Brown was not the last defender? Dean bottled it there.

    Anyways, one annoyance in watching these games on ESPN is that the focus is always on the Big 4 clubs. They call it a great comeback from United, instead of either saying they played poorly for 75 minutes or that Villa has been excellent. They are almost actively rooting for United to score, instead of calling it even or talking for Villa’s side. I know this is hard for announcers, since it’s the same with GolTV when Barcelona or Madrid play. It’s just annoying for supporters of teams not named Chelsea, United, or Arsenal. There are supporters of other teams out there, ESPN.

    1. Well it is not just the media unfortunately. Those teams managers give the top 4 too much respect. Too many of the other teams go into a game against the top 4 thinking a draw would be a win for us. Gotta get rid of that mentality before the media start taking them seriously.

    2. “They call it a great comeback from United, instead of either saying they played poorly for 75 minutes or that Villa has been excellent.”

      Not sure what you’re on about – they pretty much said what you wanted them to say! They did play poorly for most of the second half and it was a great comeback, having looked dead in the water.

      And then there was Macca – mentioning both United goals, he prefixed them with “unfortunately”. there’s nothing wrong with commentators & pundits having allegiances, but they need to leave them in the green room. Beyond that, he’s a crap pundit anyway – no insight whatsoever.

  3. The minute I’ve seen Houlier going to his bench after the 2-0 lead trying to park the bus, I knew we were in for a United comeback. What is wrong with the managers of the so-called weaker teams that make them fear the top teams like that. There’s almost a mental block in England where those teams are resigned to the fact that they are not supposed to beat the top sides. Why not stick with what has worked so far? Why panic and go: “Oh no we’re 2-0 up on United; let’s not get greedy and go after more goals; let’s allow them all the chances to come back with a vengeance”. What I like about american sports, no matter how weak a team is compared to their oponent, they always go out on the field with the mindset to beat the oponent, always! None of that we better hope to salvage a point talk. If teams like Aston Villa, Everton and other middle table teams want to break into the ceiling of EPL they have to change their mentality.

    1. Yeah, okay. You really show your ignorance here. In the US, there are no leagues that have draws, so of course no one is going to play for that.

      Secondly, when United change their formation and know they have to attack when down by two goals, you have to play more defensively or you are going to give up a lot of goals to a quality team.

      If you watched this game and thought Villa went up 2-0 and said “lets play for a draw now in the final 15 minutes”, you are brutally clueless.

  4. LAW12 Sending-off offenses
    “denying an obvious goalscoring opportunity to an opponent moving
    towards the player’s goal by an offence punishable by a free kick or a
    penalty kick”

    This law is interpreted as denial of a CLEAR(in place of “obvious”) goal scoring opportunity. THerefore, the fact that Rio Ferdinand was coming across and in fact, did get to the ball, meant that it wasn’t CLEAR that Young would’ve had the shot had brown not committed a foul on Young.

    Reasonable minds can differ on this and i can see some people saying he would’ve gotten there ahead of Ferdinand. Fair enough. But the fact that it is debatable means that it is not CLEAR (or OBVIOUS).

    On other matters, United are living a very charmed life and the way i see it, they’ll be very lucky to be challenging for the title come squeaky bum time.
    I though that this was a putrid performance from a team that is clearly lacking the proverbial fire in the belly mentality.
    Let’s see how City responds to their drab mid week performance against Birm’Ham.

    1. I could agree with this if Ferdinand was coming from the side, but he was coming from behind Young and was further back than Brown was when the challenge was made. And it’s not like a penalty wasn’t called here, as it was awarded and Brown was yellow carded.

      1. Miak is correct on all points. This was no “red card” offence given the specific circumstances, namely Young being “sandwiched” between Brown and Ferdinand whose tackle came from the side, not behind.

  5. As a United supporter, I was feeling a sense of relief right after the final whistle. I thought that the United side showed some serious moxie and grit. They almost stole all three points as well.

    However, as I sit and watch the Stoke v Liverpool match, I continue to grow more incensed at the display of Manchester United for most of the match. I understand that the flu bug swept through Carrington, and that they are playing their 3rd match in 7 days. This should still not be an excuse as United has the ability to field a healthy, talented, & rested side.

    Results like today are beginning to epitomize the 2010-2011 campaign. “Missed Opportunities” should be the slogan. I just hope that at some point Rooney, Giggs, Owen, Scholes, Hargreaves, Valencia, etc. all return to good health and give this year’s team one chance to make a run for the Barclay’s Premier League & UEFA Champions League titles.

    1. How does one ‘steal’ points from a team that hasn’t beaten them in their own home since like 1995? If Manchester United is happy to be stealing a point in a game like this then they are in serious trouble.

      1. The Bolton Spurs match took 24 hours to come up on replay last week. I expect it will be available tomorrow.

        Liverpool were once again dreadful and once again Hodgson throws Torres under the bus in his post game comments

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