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Man United 2-1 Arsenal: Did Wayne Rooney Dive?

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In a game of football, there are 9,500 seconds or more for players to score, so why are matches so often decided by a single controversial incident that flashes by in a few seconds?

Take Manchester United’s 2-1 victory over Arsenal on Saturday, for example. Never mind the fact that both teams had a handful of relatively easy chances to put the game away. But it was one incident more than any that changed the landscape of this game and that was the penalty decision by Mike Dean after the clash between Wayne Rooney and Manuel Almunia.

Bottom line, Mike Dean had to award a penalty in this incidence. For him not to would have been a monumentally bad decision whether it was at Old Trafford or not.

BUT, the fact of the matter is that Wayne Rooney played for the penalty. He knew it was a race between himself and Almunia for the ball and he knew that if he timed his run perfectly that he could make contact with the ball and that Almunia wouldn’t be able to stop himself from knocking down Rooney.

But did Mike Dean in fact make the correct decision?

It’s a really tough call. In the heat of the game, I believe Dean made the correct decision. However, if you analyze the incident in slow-motion, you’ll notice that after Rooney knocks the ball ahead of Almunia’s grasp, Rooney begins to fall forward before Almunia makes contact with him.

To me, the decision of whether Mike Dean was correct comes down to whether he’s able to use technology or not. In the heat of the game and in real-time, it looks like a penalty. But if he was able to use video replay and slow-motion, he would have seen that Rooney dove.

This is a perfect example of how referees have an almost impossible job to get the decisions correct. Their job, I believe, will be made even harder if/when additional assistant referees are placed behind goals to see if balls cross the line and to help referees with decisions like these. Again, because they won’t have video replay or technology to help them out, they’re only as good as their eyes and brains are seeing incidents like this in real-time. The addition of these assistant referees behind goals is not going to make eradicate wrong decisions — it’ll only reduce them.

To me, if referees had the aid of technology, they would have seen that Rooney did in fact dive to win the penalty and should have received a yellow card. That said, Rooney didn’t have to dive. If he hadn’t fallen forward, Almunia would have knocked him down. But Rooney didn’t want to take the chance of Almunia somehow avoiding contact with him, which is why I believe he dove.

This one incident shows how flawed the sport of soccer is. If this was the NFL, you would have TV replays to categorically make sure that the correct call was made. But in soccer, there is always going to be controversy for as long as technology is not used.

Imagine what the reaction would have been at Old Trafford if Dean hadn’t awarded that penalty. Blooming heck!

Here’s the reaction of a few select bloggers and football fans on Twitter to the incident:

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So the controversy rages on. United get the three points and Arsene Wenger is understandably furious. What’s your reaction to the incident and do you believe video technology should be used in games, should Rooney have received a yellow card or am I totally wrong with my analysis? Click the comments link below and share your opinion.

Was Mike Dean correct in awarding a penalty?(answers)

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156 Responses to Man United 2-1 Arsenal: Did Wayne Rooney Dive?

  1. Ryan says:

    It was a penalty. To me, Eduardo and Rooney started with the same intentions, to anticipate contact and then go down. Eduardo anticipated, yet nothing came, Rooney anticipated, and contact (however minimal)did come. Honestly the line between dive and penalty (albeit a soft one) is so close, that I think UEFA have opened a can of worms much larger than they intended to.
    I do love that diving is being scrutinized though, it needs to be wiped from the game.

  2. s says:

    Rooney did indeed dive. You can see in the replay of the incident that he drags his trailing foot a good yard or two well before he Almunia comes close to him. You can see the track mark left by his foot in the grass very clearly!

    • TINS says:

      The simple fact is:
      Was there contact by Almunia, definately.
      Was there contact by Bouruc, definately not.
      on that matter was there any contact by Evra or Eboue, definately not.
      I cant believe anyone would condone what eduardo and eboue have done.
      For me Almunia doesnt get near the ball so any contact is a penalty. Full Stop.
      Football is that black and white im afraid.

      • me says:

        so if you’re running into someone is a foul (because contact is made)? is it really that simple???

        • TINS says:

          yes i think you will find it is called obstruction a yellow card offence, learn the rules of the game before making silly statements

          • Cavalier says:

            Er – you learn the rules. Obstruction is an indirect free kick i.e. not a penalty. And maybe learn politeness too.

        • amigo says:

          eduardo – dived
          eboue – dived
          rooney – DIVED

          Simples, anyway he kicked the ball out of pay, there was no goal scoring opportunity. Rooney cheated, he just looked more convincing than the other players mentioned. Therefor he should get a 2 match ban, because uefa needs to keep consistency now they have made that desision over eduardo.

          • Poinsy says:

            It was clear to see that Rooney dived. Any one who has played the game could see that. He digs his left foot into the ground well before the keeper is near him, and is at 45 degrees as contact is made. So, yes, contact is made, but, according to the rules of the game, Rooney has already lost control of the ball.

            Not as theatrical as Eduardo’s, but, he dived all the same.

          • crispine says:

            thats very true rooney was not in possition to score he only wanted the penalty hence falling before the contact by almunia.so if eduado ebue dove dedfinatly rooney did

      • Lugona says:

        Tins I assume you are a big guy capable of telling the difference between sweet and sour.It’s only little ones that need to be guided in order to tell certain differences. But in this situation even the little ones where able to tell that it was a DIVE from Wayne Rooney.Every one was really able to tell that Wayne Rooney went for the dive with the intention even though Almunia found himself into contact with him.It was well planned from Rooney.That makes me wonder whether Man U is scared they can’t play Arsenal Or is it their style?

    • Simon says:

      I disagree. I can see why some people may think he engineered the penalty but I will explain what happened. Rooney is sprinting for the through ball and at the same time Almunia is sprinting to intercept (god knows why). Rooney just about gets to the ball first but in doing so he is stretching for the ball. This causes him to appear to start falling but Almunia takes Rooney out no question. So in conclusion it is definitely a penalty and by no means a dive. Almunia had no reason to come for the ball in the first place so it was his error of judgement that caused the penalty. I am a Liverpool fan by the way so I am looking at this from a neutral perspective.

  3. Bobby says:

    I’m not faulting Mike Dean’s decision, he awarded it as he saw it, from his vantage point it was a stonewall penalty. He’s been conned, and therein lies the problem.

    Eduardo has been, correctly, demonized for his farce against Celtic in midweek and UEFA were right to hand down a retroactive ban. The same should be done with Wayne Rooney, the FA should hand down a retroactive ban *and* Manuel Almunia’s card should be rescinded, because Almunia’s been cheated twice here.

    That said, Dean had a horrible match, but he made the best call he could in this situation.

  4. Parag says:

    Wayne Rooney dived today to change the coarse of the match; but didn’t he do that before to end the arsenal invincible run?

    Frankly ManU fans understand its all about winning and Arsenal fans don’t even support there team when it counts. Can we expect Arsenal fans to Boo Rooney, Alex and Mike Dean every time they are at Emirates. But ManU fans wouldn’t think twice about doing this.

    So Arsenal fans – go home and cry
    ManU are champs

  5. sucka99 says:

    http://yfrog.com/731ssg

    of course Wayne Rooney dove, but people look at him and Eduardo through biased lenses (including, as I gathered, one Andy Gray). on top of it you have the politics of UEFA vs the politics of Old Trafford. You may say it should have been a penalty vs not. That’s for the referee to decide and yes he has to do it in a split second and was probably influenced by the home crowd. The proof in the pudding wrt this newfound focus on diving is whether Rooney is punished for the intent to deceive after the fact. What I think we’ll see is that while United lost Ronaldo, they didn’t lose Fergie and their political pull.

    And within one hour of Rooney’s dive, Raul of Real Madrid dove over the Depor keeper and won a penalty. How blatant was it? the keeper was screaming for a card for simulation. Instead he was carded. You can’t expect the referee to go against Real Madrid in the Bernabeu can you? Of course, to bring this full circle, the taker of the penalty: none other than one C. Ronaldo.

    and the beat goes on

    • TINS says:

      As it is an offence to ask for another player to be carded, im not surprised he was bloody booked

    • amigo says:

      this is going to become a big problem for uefa, if they hadnt of charged eduardo, we would all be moaning aboutthe fact that rooney dived, and then we would just brush it off as ‘one of those things that happen in football’. But now uefa has to do smething about therooney dive and the raul dive, otherwise there is no consistency, and it would appear that they are singlin out 1 team.

  6. Mikey D. Tan says:

    Come on, mates … get over Edu incident. He dived. So if theres a ban in it as deterrent to other ‘winker’ players … bad luck. Whether or not Rooney intended it … Almunia DID claw Rooney down. If thats a fact, then it should be a clear penalty. Did he drag his foot? Maybe. Was it to con the referee? Maybe. Who know? Its NOT like there was NO contact.

  7. Darius says:

    Seeing it in real time I didn’t think it was a penalty but after seeing the replay I thought the ref was right. Either way, Almunia has no business flying in like this when the most danger coming out of this situation is a cross back into the penalty situation. Of course, a goalie has to make a decision whether to come out or not in an instant but it just proves one more time that Almunia is not a world class goalie.

  8. dave says:

    im a man utd fan been one all me life and i have to say im ashamed by rooney’s antics, we’re better then that. It was a clear dive, he actually went into full superman motion before any contact was made. he fell into almunia’s arms and after the whole eduardo incident im shocked that nothing’s being made of it. this is the second time he’s done it 2 the arses. personaly it takes the sweetness out of the victory for me. this just confirms the blatant bias towards engish players and turning a blind eye, Pathetic!

    • carl says:

      how refreshing. Dare I say, an honest United fan?!

    • Barry says:

      Really? He was in a full superman pose before any contact was made – did you see the footage? Either you didn’t see it, or you’re a flat out liar. The latter would mean you are obviously no Man U fan. Almunia clearly hits his shin before Rooney falls forward. Even if Rooney was taking advantage of the contact that’s just good football. It was not a flop or dive. All you people complaining is pathetic.

      • Finn says:

        Did you see the footage? This picture doesn’t support your theory about Almunia clearly hitting Rooney’s shin:’

        http://i26.tinypic.com/2lnv8nt.jpg

      • KaE says:

        did anyone still remember the game between man u vs newcatle united? when sir bobby robson was still in charge and shearer was still with the team……..the situation is almost the same with shearer running for the ball and the keeper(forgot who was it) came out and and clawed on shearer’s foot. it was a clear penalty but the referee awarded free kick to man u. actually i do agree with wenger when he said referee tend to refereeing in old traffordish way when man u played at home ground.

  9. desigunner says:

    There are two aspects to a penalty decision. One is the foul. Second is that the attacking player should have the ball in control. Rooney had kicked it to the corner flag anyway. So it was not a penalty on both counts. A dive, and no control on the ball. You don’t need a video replay to see that he was not in control of the ball.

    We have seen such penalties given too often because the officials are spineless jokers. Unless there is a metric to measure the performance of officials and administrators, there will be problems video technology or no video technology

    • TINS says:

      are you saying then if the attacking player doesnt have control of the ball, you can punch him, and its not a penalty because he didnt have control of the ball

      you muppet

      • me says:

        are you saying that you just have to fall into a player and it’s a foul automatically?
        you’re the real muppet here!

        • TINS says:

          if you can not be a man about it and say it is a penalty and Almunia made enough contact to knock rooney over, then you really should not have an opinion

        • lozcast says:

          Well done ‘me’!

          Rooney had no control over the ball.

          ‘desigunner’ – a point well made!

          “The case of another diving scouser”: solved!

          • Dean Wheatley says:

            Don’t be stupid! Almunia had his arms out and caught Rooney. Fair and square, end of storey!!! No matter what you or anyone else think or says. It WAS a penalty, PERIOD!!! Even every single football pundit, (Jamie Rednapp, Andy Gray etc..) ALL say it was a definite penalty! I agree from the Darren Fletcher incident though as well, that that should have been a penalty too! Fletcher got away with that one! He was very lucky!

    • Matt says:

      The attacking player doesn’t need to be in control of the ball for a penalty. Maybe you are confusing a penalty and a DOGSO sending-off offense?

      The ball can be on the other half of the pitch. If the attacking players is fouled in the penalty area, it is a penalty.

      • col says:

        no penalty mate rooney dived again

      • Jack says:

        “The ball can be on the other half of the pitch. If the attacking players is fouled in the penalty area, it is a penalty.”

        That’s not true, it is a drop-kick from the point the ball was when the game was stopped in that case.

        I guess I should weigh in. I am an Arsenal fan. I like Rooney a lot, he works so hard and adds so much, but he has dived a few times but it isn’t mentioned. But we have been shamed over Eduardo’s dive so much, you have over various Ronaldo dives, but Gerrard and Rooney and Owen are left alone. It’s not really a complaint at Man United fans or whatever, you can’t control what he did and you probably don’t like it either (Eboue is unpopular at Arsenal because of his constant embarrassing diving). It’s just that it doesn’t feel fair that we are getting so much stick (and I bet you felt that about Ronaldo last season too) when others are getting nothing.

        As for if it was a penalty or not: I can’t tell, there was certainly a dive but it seems like it would have been anyway. But as he dived first it never happened! To be honest, I accept that it was given it is just that Arsenal are getting all this stick but the other divers (like Real Madrid this weekend, Barc in the Super Cup, Celtic this weekend, Villa midweek, Rooney this weekend, … these have all happened after the event) aren’t getting any, and there seems no chance of punishment.

        UEFA makes me go off football, but I love Arsenal too much…

  10. Clair says:

    After watching the reply a few times, it appears to me the keeper for Arsenal tripped Rooney. The penalty should still stand.

    Man U is very lucky they got the 3 points. Arsenal played much better (a lot better a matter of fact!). Both teams attacked, but it was Arsenal who was able to keep the ball at key times & defended the ball. At the same time, Arsenal killed the game, for the goal in there own goal & the off side call.

  11. Arindam Maulick says:

    The replay very clearly reveals that wayne rooney did dive,whether he deserved a yellow card or not is debatable, but yes this incident takes the shine out of Man U’s victory

  12. Andrei says:

    I don’t think that the penalty was the key moment in the game and definitely it was not the main reason why Arsenal lost. It was Van Persie not putting the game awya early in the second half. As for “controversial” incident it is ironic how fast many of those who condemned Eduardo mid week were presented with a moral dilemma. Is it possible to accept that Eduardo dove but Rooney merely “played to the penalty”. To me the sad part is not what Eduardo or Rooney did but the hypocrisy surrounding both incidents. And the curious reaction coming form the commentator (was it Andy Gray?). His first after seeing the replay words were “boy where is this game coming to…”. Then he went on saying that Rooney knew what he was doing but there was a contact so it didn’t matter. And he never said the D word…

  13. Goon says:

    Clever play by Rooney. He ‘earnt’ a penalty where one should not have been awarded. He created a situation where contact was inevitable and got his reward. There was certainly ‘simulation’ but the fact there was undeniable contact means that Dean had no choice.

    However, there is absolutely no difference between what Rooney did and what Eduardo tried to do. I’m hoping the next three days papers are dedicated to declaring that the fat granny shagging wanker is a cheat.

  14. Jay says:

    Whatever. I accept defeat. They got lucky but sometimes you need that to win. We’ll be alright if we win next weekend.

  15. Mark Christopher says:

    I totally agree with Mike Dean,

  16. Cantona says:

    No he never…

    nothing like the Arse’s Eduardo… blatant cheat.. ruined the whole tie for CELTIC…. not the best match ( ManU v Arse ).. but a good result

    Cantona—

    • Bobby says:

      The same Celtic that had zero shots — not shots on goal, shots total — prior to the penalty? Oh yea, ruined it for them.

      • TINS says:

        makes it ok to cheat then, you are an idiot

        • deebs says:

          No, you’re the total idiot. Bobby wasn’t even excusing the dive, just pointing out that it didn’t change the course of the game.

          Learn to read and you wont look like such a colossal twat in future

        • Bobby says:

          TINS: My previous post (comment 7) reads: “Eduardo has been, correctly, demonized for his farce against Celtic”. I in no way defended Eduardo’s actions, nor did I say it makes it okay. Fact is, Celtic didn’t have an ice cube’s chance in hell to win that match and the dive didn’t cost them anything, their inability to play with Arsenal cost them the match.

          Reading is fundamental.

          Kinda of makes your “idiot” comment a bit ironic.

  17. SF Gooner says:

    read 3 of these til I got to Parag. Not the brightest bulb is he. Admit it, your team played like crap and were at least gifted one goal. Mike Dean was horrible and that was the least surprising thing on the day. United fans at the game today were SCUM. Singing the peado song about Wenger and then booing Eduarodo with every touch. Short memories I guess. You didn’t have the biggest diver in the Premiership for the past 4 seasons on your team did you. I’ve watched every United match this season and you have had ONE good half against Wigan. You’re winning sweet F all this year. Put money on that.

    • goonergone says:

      spell your players name right dumbass – what kind of fan are you! he dove that night and so did eboue! everyone does it in football, but we do it more – i hate to say it, but we have no leader on the pitch. van persie? cesc? shit – worse gallas?

      stop it with the youngsters wenger – after man utd came out in the second half – arsharvin didnt even get a wiff of the ball, and we were harassed by manutd.

  18. SF Gooner says:

    Cantona on crack there with the ruined the whole tie. Celtic never looked like scoring before or after the dive. The one goal they did get was amazing and he wouldn’t be able to do that again if he tried.

  19. Mark Christopher says:

    Arsenal should all ways have it in mind that the are coming to old trafford,where there dream will all ways end,

  20. gooner says:

    Mike Dean cost Arsenal the match. First he did not give the stonewall penalty when Fletcher syced Ashvin . It was clear as daylight it was a100% penalty. However to give it at OT would have hurt him in his pocket.I have read reports in the English press of the linesman who flagged a MU player offside and was never asked to officiate again.
    Anyway to outplay MU at OT is encouraging. I have no doubt taht Arsenal will rise to the occasio. This is just a blip.Looking forward to the MC game.n

    • TINS says:

      muppet, your only goal of the game came a s a result of not getting that penalty, so say we give you a penalty, van persie misses, man utd win 2 – 0, you crazy fool, think before you speak

      • me says:

        think before yo speak you muppet. it would have been a red card for fletcher AND the penalty!

        • Matt says:

          It would not have been a red card. There is no sending off offense that Fletcher would have been guilty of. It would have been a penalty only.

  21. SF Gooner says:

    So eloquent Christopher. You should print it on a card so I can use it to wipe with.

  22. Kevin_amold says:

    The penalty was a soft one, at least in my opinion. I actually felt Arshavin had a stronger case for a penalty than Rooney. But it was given and it’s not going to change. As for a dive on Rooney, there was contact, and he doesn’t have a history of simulating, so I’ll give him a pass. But his reputation won’t stay clean with one or two more of these incidents.

  23. Isaiah says:

    I have to agree with Goon that there is no difference in the intention between Rooney and Eduardo. It was merely Eduardo’s inability to draw contact at any point that gives anyone the chance to say that Rooney drew a real penalty.

    You could also say that Almunia created more of the contact that Boruc was able to avoid, but I think that that merely reinforces the intention of the attacking player. Rooney was not attempting to get around Almunia, he was merely attempting to win a penalty by hook or by crook, which, if I understand the English languages correctly, is “deceiving the referee”.

    This is, of course, the can of worms Ryan mentioned. UEFA/FIFA bit off way more than they can chew.

  24. Jose says:

    United always get the calls at home.

    But, isn’t that how it should be?

    Every home team should get the benefit of the doubt, and only foreign players should be demonized as cheats as needed.

  25. GazzaJ87 says:

    what you have to look at is the way people are saying rooney played for the penalty. so his intention were to go down wether there be contact or not. in this case does the fact rooney had it in his mind to always go down confirm the suspisions that he dived. if he is thinking about it before it happening or “playing” for it. then in that case it is a dive.

    if almunia had made no contact the ball goes out for a goal kick because rooney did nothave any intention of attempting to keep that ball in play, just as was the case a few years back with sol cambpell, rooney knocked the ball round and simulated a foul which replays cleary showed he dived. at the end of the day i think arsenal showed a lot more than man utd today, yes the result went against them but i feel if man utd expect to win the title for a fourth year running they need to shape up because you wont always have luck and team like liverpool chelsea man city ect ect will almost certainly take points of utd. in regards to arsenal i feel there a team with a bright season ahead i can defintly see them being there when it comes to the final few weeks. even mr ferguson said those words in a press confrence pre game. Arsenal Fans should look for a promising season while man utd fans need to wonder will the departure of ronaldo really effect them.

  26. Tanner says:

    If you keep talkin bout Wayne like this, he’s gonna bash a bottle of Guinness over your head. Empty bottle of course. Roons dives for no one!!!!!

    • Angryjohn says:

      Sorry Tanner, he’s dived twice to cost Arsenal. Once the other night and once to end the unbroken run a few years ago. The Roonster is certainly not “too honest to dive”

  27. George says:

    If mdd had denied the ugly British bulldog a penalty imagine the chaos that would have followed. Remember the bald Mike? He gave the same BB a penalty in the 50 game of the 2004 season.Video showed Cambell had hardly touched him This was one heck of a ref who gave the red faced cunt a record nine penalties over a number of years thereby helping him to titles galore. Last time Arsenal were the only team capble of challenging him.
    Fear not. Ancelloti will challenge him with AW winning this season’title.

    • TINS says:

      fool, hardly touched him doesnt cut it, contact in the dox at that speed will be a penalty every time.

      Atleast you admit contact in both incidents, therefore refs correct in both decisions

      so dry your bloody eyes will you, you just were not good enough

  28. realisticffan says:

    The past tense of ‘dive’ is ‘dived’. Not ‘dove’ . That’s a bird that flies.

  29. ovalball says:

    From a Telegraph.co.uk article on May 19, 2008:

    “SFA chief Smith has been foiled by Fifa in his attempts to introduce retrospective punishment for diving, with the governing body keen to preserve the authority of a referee’s decision.”

    As long as protecting the refs is the main priority this discussion will go on, pointlessly, forever.

    The Australian A-League has a two week retro-ban in effect this year and guess what, to date no one has been cited. Could it be that the divers are too busy revising their playbooks? N-a-a-a-a-h.

  30. noname says:

    so rooney knocked the ball out of play, started falling to the ground and then almunia touched his legs.

    now how is that a penalty ?

    if rooney didn’t dive he wouldn’t have the ball since it was out, so he wouldn’t score.

    funny to see how eduardo gets crucified and the english hero rooney gets excused by everybody.

    double standards from the xenophobic media, as always.

    • TINS says:

      contact my friend is the difference, contact = foul, foul = pen, ren= rooney, rooney = goal, goal = 1-1,

      i would be more concerned as to Diaby, can you play him everytime we meet, ha ha ha ha ha

  31. Ganesh says:

    Yes, he played for the penalty. So did Dudu, I’m not sure how much the issue of contact is when you’re not looking to continue play inside the box. The diving issue is so demonic and deadly that it completely transforms a player as he enters the box. The only solution is video technology. I mean, Rooney and Eduardo both class players, if it was somewhere in the middle of the park, they would have rode the challenge.

    In Dudu’s case, he didn’t even appeal for the penalty, so deceiving the referee is still a very vague accusation. It was like last season when Muamba got the ball off Ronaldo, no appeals and Rob Styles still awards a penalty. In Rooney’s case, he appealed as soon as he played to get contact, he was to eventually make contact with the following hands of Almunia. My question is, look how far the referee was to actually see any contact.

    But two issues remain certain. Arshavin should have had a penalty, was clear-cut and Sir Alex does not agree, well how typical. And the referee was just yards away. As for Wenger, he needs to come hard on Eboue for diving. That dive was absolutely unforgivable.

    Mike Dean did not have a good match, that’s for sure. As for the two teams, despite Man United getting the result and rejoicing, there would be a massive concern as to how to address well-organised teams in the future, because even they know they got lucky. Long-term wise I think Arsenal are maturing well and based on the performance, they could leave Old Trafford with their heads held high, but sadly without three points, they so deserved.

  32. Harry Barracuda says:

    Why can’t we learn to take defeat gracefully? We had to moments of poor concentration that both cost us a goal, and we didn’t take our chances.

    Dean didn’t help, but we threw this away, and should just accept it was a bad day at the office. The performance was excellent, and we should not be screaming now.

    However, Dean sending Wenger up to the stands when there was nowhere else to go was plain stupid, and he should apologise.

    The fourth official too made a mountain out of a molehill and should be permanently removed from officiating if he’s that stupid.

    • SF Gooner says:

      Ofcourse it was a bad day at the office. What we are mad about is the double standard, by the press and the refs. Makes me so sick. I would love for England to get knocked out early in the World Cup in the summer.

  33. Matt says:

    When Rooney dives he`s intelligent when eduardo does it he`s a cheat and he get crucified by the media. Face it we have racist media.

    • Grant says:

      Do you not understand the difference between the apostrophe key like this ‘ and the backquote ` ? LOL, use a keyboard much?

  34. not so realistic fan says:

    It can be both. Dive and Dove are accepted just as Hang and Hung. Grammar Nazis are so funny.

  35. nick says:

    Yes Arsenal lost today, but if United fans are looking for solace they are deluded. As an imparticial observer the gunners played the reds off the park today,and if your a manchester utd fan and u say it isnt so youve got problems. But for a dodgy penalty (Rooney was heading for the corner flag) and an own goal that defies description Arsenal on another day would have won. Out of the top 4 to 6 united have impressed the least,obviuosly their will a few twists in the tail before the season ends & theres a long way to go ,but Chelsea & Arsenal impress the most so far by a country mile

    • TINS says:

      impartial my backside, played them off the park, dont think so, Arsenal had some better passing phases, man utd dominated areas and possesion and attempts on goal, at the end of the day, the best defence won, how many attempts did Arsenal have today, the goal, the one foster saved with his foot, a sclaffed free kick off the bar, hardly played off the park.
      You are obviously a dipper?

  36. useroz says:

    accepting defeat, gracefully or not, is one thing, rooney dived, or not, is another

    so we accept defeat… against Mike Dean

    so rooney dived

    racist brits, as always

  37. Brad says:

    This was a cracker. Watch the slow motion and it is clear that Rooney begins to fall before Almunia catches him. On the flip side I believe that Almunia would have taken him out even if Rooney had continued on.

    Don’t condone the dive but I think the right decision was achieved. In my mind I think Rooney deserves to cop a ban but Almunia’s card should stay.

    Those crying about racism need to grow up. Eduardo’s case was cut & dry, this one was blurred.

    • Gooner4eva says:

      Rooney is a granny shaggin’ diving caveman cheat. He dived and thats the end of it. Fletchers tackle was a penalty. The ref was a real w@nker. No backbone. Arsenal gave the point away. Own goal,rooney diving. Van persie missing. Eboue should go back to films Amistad pt2. Wenger gets sucked in all the time. Just relax and it’ll all be ok. Now Wenger has all HIS players we’ll see what happens this season. No trophies = no more wenger.

  38. Chris Grey says:

    Either allow cheating or don’t. We need FIFA to make it clear one way or the other. The footage clearly shows that Rooney’s dive was every bit as premeditated as Eduardo’s in the week. If Eduardo is a deemed a cheat then so is Rooney, and both should be punished equally.

    What really ennoys me is players kicking the ball out of play then claiming the throw in as most pro’s seem to week in, week out. If that isn’t deliberately deceiving the referee then I don’t know what is. It would be nice to eradicate all cheating but whilst UEFA make people like Cristiano Ronaldo European Player of the Year, they are seen to be endorsing cheating.

  39. Me2 says:

    As you said, “Rooney begins to fall forward before Almunia makes contact with him”. Falling forward without contact or losing your footing is diving, and is an infraction.

    At that point play should be blown dead and a yellow card issued, and a free kick should be given the other way as was done with the Eboue dive. You can’t really expect the ref to see that in real time though, but it’s still a dive and Rooney fooled the ref.

  40. Bryan says:

    http://i508.photobucket.com/albums/s327/newbie8200/11rooney0004.jpg
    http://i508.photobucket.com/albums/s327/newbie8200/11rooney0006.jpg
    http://i508.photobucket.com/albums/s327/newbie8200/11rooney0005.jpg

    Still shots from highlights shown on MOTD, if you still think it was a dive, then visit specsavers. Stonewall penalty imo. But when was the last time United had a penalty that wasn’t controversial or argued about?

  41. alan says:

    Worthless pics Bryan, what an idiot. Rooney is a known diver, nothing new.

    • Bryan says:

      Grow up moron, if you have any issues with the pics, point them out instead of coming out with a reply that shows your age and mental level, what’s useless about it? And no, Rooney is not a known diver, he’s had the occasional odd dive like most players though.

  42. Bryan says:

    http://www.101greatgoals.com/videodisplay/3309222/

    And here’s a video since the pics are apparently “useless”. I don’t expect it to change anyone’s mind though. I’d be bitter and angry too if the roles were reversed.

  43. Baz says:

    idiot, thos pictures pretty much show rooney falling before he even reached almunia

    if i was running and decided to jump horizontally but sum1 slightly touched me it wouldnt be a foul

    fact of the matter is it was simulation, shouldnt be a pen

  44. Gooner4eva says:

    Bryan… Who are you??? Andy Grays girlfriend??? Shut your face and clearoff with your so called evidence. Go and paint your nails or something. Just dont talk about football. Stick to reading heat magazine. You fool’

  45. Tyson says:

    It is an unquestionable penalty.

    Rooney knew what he was doing and that was a difficult angle to score from but he knew if the Arsenal keeper makes any physical contact with him at any point during the ball being in his vicinity it is an automatic penalty.

    If a keeper makes that kind of contact with a player a penalty is always awarded. It is one of the few absolute rules in football.

    It doesn’t matter who you are in that situation there is simply no debate. If a keeper extends his arms and makes contact with a player contributing to him losing his balance whether it was never going to be a goal or was a surefire goal scoring opportunity or whether the player was already one centimeter off the ground when the keeper made contact it is a penalty.

    There is simply no debate about this one.

  46. Baz says:

    idiot tyson, if some1 falls into a keeper of their own will its not a penalty, too many people are getting on this contact shit, contact does not neccessarily mean its a foul

  47. Kay says:

    This was without a doubt a penalty, it is as easy as it comes for a referee. Rooney was looking for the keeper to come screaming out and make contact and that is exactly what Arsenals keeper did.

    Rooney knew that who however got to the ball first was going to get the other person in trouble, if Almunia got the ball then Rooney would have ran into him and probably got carded, if Rooney himself touched the ball first the keeper would have taken his legs out. He was without a doubt playing for a penalty, and that is exactly what he got because of Almunia stupidity, it was a goal scoring opportunity because he was in the box, a red card would have been shown if it wasn’t for the fact that Gallas was back covering.

    As a Chelsea fan I was hoping for a draw, and two stupid mistakes from Arsenal players assured that it didn’t happen. Some will scream ‘what goes around comes around’.

  48. Tomaso says:

    I replayed the televised slow motion view of Rooney in “super” slow motion a thousand times using my televison remote. Rooney was already going to ground before he contacts Almunia. Rooney equally to blame for the contact with Almunia. You can also see him starting to look back at the ref before he is even finished with his superman DIVE. Perhaps looking to see if he is going to receive a yellow card?

    My annoyance with this issue is really wether or not we are going to use the replay AFTER THE FACT.
    Are we going to give Arsenal a penalty kick/goal and Fletcher a yellow for taking out Arshavin in the box without contacting the ball after the fact. Oh, actually Fletcher does contact the ball with his hand/forearm as he is sliding through Arshavin.

    Also in the UEFA super cup, does Messi get a red card now for a piss poor attempt at a head butt?

    The point being that calling penalties after the game is tooooo late. You have already messed up the flow of the game. If Arshavin is given that penalty from Fletcher during the game , Arsenal is going to be up 2-0 after Arshavin scores his “real” goal and the game is over. At this point would Diaby’s own goal even happen? Do we care if Rooney gets a penalty on a dive as this only makes the score 2-1 Arsenal? That penalty really seemed to wake up Man U. They looked dead in the water up to that point.

    If Messi were to have been red carded off the field for an attempted head butt during the Super Cup the whole complexity of the game changes.

    Either call the game during the game, like they do in American Football or forget about it!!!!!!! Arsenal (and any other team for that matter)can’t get their 3 points back now!!!!!!!!

    • Rose Tinted Glasses says:

      The point being that calling penalties after the game is tooooo late. You have already messed up the flow of the game. If Arshavin is given that penalty from Fletcher during the game , Arsenal is going to be up 2-0 after Arshavin scores his “real” goal and the game is over. At this point would Diaby’s own goal even happen? Do we care if Rooney gets a penalty on a dive as this only makes the score 2-1 Arsenal? That penalty really seemed to wake up Man U. They looked dead in the water up to that point.

      If Arsenal would have been given a penalty would Arshavin have hit the ball so hard and scored? He hit it in anger would he have had that anger if he had been awarded the pen? If you are gonna post such a large post at least look at both sides of it!

  49. Grant says:

    The bigger issue to my mind is the fact that Rooney had already booted the ball about 15 rows into the Stretford End with his touch. He had already wasted the chance, and as a closer analysis shows, he didn’t have to go down. So he went down needlessly in pursuit of a ball that he had already put out with a cement-footed touch. If that’s not a dive, I don’t know what is.

    As for Eduardo, the situation has to, HAS TO, be viewed in light of the injury he recieved just 18 months ago. He has every right to try to anticipate contact and avoid it, and he still had control of the ball when he was approached by Boruc. If Almunia had pulled out at the last minute like Boruc did, Rooney would have looked like every bit of the fool Eduardo was made to look, especially since he had already squandered the chance.

    • Kay J says:

      I am sorry but it doesn’t have to be viewed in the injury that he got a year and a bit back. If he is unable to play the game properly because he fears another injury then he shouldn’t be on the field!

      Eduardo was taken out and suffered a terrible injury, we all know that, but in the Celtic match the goalkeeper went sliding in and the ended up horinzontal to Eduardo – he stupidly still decided to dive even through Boruc (or whatever the keepers name is) was side on with the player. The difference between Eduardo in mid-week and Rooney was that Almunia took his legs, it is clear that his legs were taken.

      Rooney won the penalty in the same way several other players do, they get to the ball first and force the keeper to make a quick decision to pull out, most of the time the keeper is too slow and commits a foul (just like the Rooney incident) sometimes they are fast enough and don’t touch the player (just like the Eduardo incident).

      • Grant says:

        Eduardo jumped, anticipating contact, and when none came he fell to the ground because he was not anticipating landing smoothly. If Almunia pulls his arms out like Boruc did, there’s simply no way Rooney could have caught himself and landed without falling over. While there’s no doubt Boruc didn’t hit Eduardo and Almunia hit Rooney, both players had committed to diving in such a way that they were going to go down regardless of contact. Almunia did hit Rooney, but it was far from the reason Rooney went down, and it certainly wasn’t the reason Rooney scuttled his chance at goal.

        Look at the video again, and you’ll see that Almunia only hits Rooney in the feet, well behind his center of gravity, and well after Rooney has already fallen forward. They both dived, as they both attempted to win a penalty where they shouldn’t have.

        • Kay J says:

          Exactly, I do know both of them went for a penalty. However the difference, as I said before, was that Almunia actually clipped Rooney. Rooney was looking for a penalty, everyone can see that he steamed ahead to try to get the ball first and he made it. Almunia, unlike Boruc wasn’t quick enough to pull out of the challenge. If Almunia pulled out, just like Boruc did in mid-week then you can all scream that Rooney is a cheater – but Almunia was too slow and didn’t manage to get out the way.

          • Grant says:

            But that doesn’t mean that Almunia fouled Rooney. Players collide all the time on the field without a foul resulting. To award a penalty for that challenge is ridiculous. Almunia was not the cause of Rooney going to ground, Rooney was.

          • hank says:

            How could something that Almunia do decide whether Rooney was diving or not? It was a dive the instant Rooney intentionally went to ground, what happens after that simply determines whether it was a successful dive or an ugly one (a la Eduardo).

            Rooney and Eduardo should also certainly not be singled out, btw, this kind of thing in the penalty box is pretty common. I think the one way to cut down on the cheap penalties is for refs to step back from the “any-contact = penalty” meta-rule that seems to apply in these situations, and decline to award a penalty unless the striker is denied a play on the ball.

  50. gooner4life says:

    I think what’s most infuriating for Gooners (and even some impartial observers) is that the standards are different for different players. Eduardo will be castigated for years and branded a cheat (ala Robert Pires), while Rooney will go on being the “great white hope” for England even though he’s now dived against Arsenal twice to win a penalty. Did Almunia touch him? YES–while Rooney was already diving. Would Almunia have touched him if he had not swan dived? Unsure. Point is, let’s be fair about this. One rule for everybody, not based on their citizenship.

    And, TINS, whoever you are(I suspect a frustrated 15 year old judging by your vocabulary), can you make a salient point without calling people names? Or, are you incapable of that? This is a big boy forum, go dine at the kiddie table if you can’t hang.

  51. Bombtune says:

    Definitely a fluke dive by Rooney face.

    But what comes around goes around, ie Eduardo earlier in the week.

    Arsenal still in good shape, will make up for it.

  52. Geoff says:

    You cant Say Rooney Dived At Old Trafford because the whole game is fixed.

    Exactly the same thing happned at The Bernabeu. You Cant say Raul dived either because the whole game is fixed

    You cant say Arshavin won a penalty because its against Man utd

    In the first Premier League season Man utd got 6 penalties against them because They werent the champions.Then they didnt give away a penalty Until 1996

    THE WHOLE THING IS FIXED

  53. LI Matt says:

    Something nobody has mentioned yet is the Carrick-Gomes incident in the spring. It was almost identical to this one.

    Same old thing at OT — any remotely-questionable call goes to the player in the red shirt.

  54. Bryan says:

    Why can’t all you Arsenal fans GROW UP?? I posted pics and a vid and challenged anyone to tell me what was wrong with them, all I’m looking for is a debate, I didn’t call anyone names until someone insulted me first.

    The signs of someone who has no point to debate is when they start calling people names. Grow a pair.

  55. Jean says:

    Can somebody tell me this: If a player who is no where near the ball but is in the penalty box is blatantly tackled, is that a penalty? Because that would definitely be a foul – but what type of action is taken?

    I also watched the Rooney supposedly “dive” and I only see him stretching his last step to make sure he got to the ball and his body was totally imbalanced that he was going to fall and then Alumnia took him out. If Alumnia didn’t touch him, he would have fallen straight ahead, but with the contact, it actually trajected him to the left and Mike Dean being a few yards behind him had no choice but to award the penalty. It doesn’t matter if Rooney intended to dive, it’s whether Mike Dean made the right call and I think he did.

  56. Shakira says:

    Yes he dove, he was lucky that Almunia touched him or it would have been as bad as Eduardo’s dive. I find it sad the English media jumped all over Eduardo for his dive, and rightfully so but when Rooney does it its ok and not a dive. They both were dives, Rooney was lucky he got touched, Eduardo wasnt so lucky. They both should be banned for thier antics and start a precidence to stamp this type of behavior out of the game. And no I’m not an Arsenal fan.

  57. UnitedAmanda says:

    I admit when my club’s players dive. I don’t think Rooney did.

    I think he was going for the ball and with his momentum he would have toppled over whether Alumnia was there or not. He was starting to go down before the contact – thats not being questioned – but I don’t think it was a planned dive. I think it was just imbalance after extending his leg for the ball. After a certain point it was clear the two would collide and Rooney knew it – he simply continued his run and let things play out as they would. There happened to be contact and it was a solid penalty.

    • Grant says:

      But the point is that if Almunia wasn’t the cause of him going down, then there should not have been a penalty awarded. Rooney went into the challenge in such a way that if there was no contact from the keeper, he would have fallen flat on his face and looked like a fool (just like Eduardo did when he jumped anticipating contact that never came). If its diving when Eduardo did it, then its diving when Rooney does it.

  58. Jean says:

    “any foul committed within the 18 yard box by the defending team (the team NOT trying to score in that particular goal) results in a penalty-kick to the attacking team. Simple enough”

    I think I answered my own question from googling and read the above quote. This is just one example of hundreds I read, so regardless of what you all think of Rooney’s “dive”, it’s a penalty!!!

    • Grant says:

      Almunia was not the cause of Rooney going down, hence no penalty. There was no goal scoring opportunity, as Rooney booted the ball into the stands with his touch (before Almunia touched him), so there shouldn’t have been a yellow card either.

      • Kay J says:

        That is where your wrong, there was a goal scoring opportunity because he was through on goal with the goalkeeper. He knew as soon as the keeper came sliding out that all he had to do was tap the ball away and the keeper would have probably slid in on him, just like Eduardo against Celtic. Unlike Celtic, Arsenal actually caught him.

        • Grant says:

          Eduardo still had close control of the ball when Boruc charged. Rooney was heading toward a 50-50 ball, and he got the ball first, but only by booting it 50 yards into the stands. He did not have an opportunity to score a goal. Being the last man through does not, in and of itself, constitute a scoring opportunity. This is similar to the uncatchable exception to pass interference in American. Rooney would not have made anything of that, even if Almunia had pulled out at the last second like Boruc did. He would have punted the ball 50 yards into the Stretford End, like he did, and Almunia would have been awarded a goal kick. Instead, because Rooney was playing for a penalty (just like Eduardo did), he went to ground well before Almunia touched him, and because he’s the golden boy of English football, especially with Ronaldo off to Spain, he was awarded a penalty.

  59. yuds fabregas says:

    it’s a dive, as simple as that.
    but the main point is will rooney get the same treatment from Media and FA?. Of course not, he doesn’t play for Arsenal…that simple!

    • Kay J says:

      Wrong! It is only a dive, and thus cheating if Almunia doesn’t touch him, because Almunia touches him at the feet it makes it a penalty. He anticipated contact, just like Eduardo, however unlike Eduardo against Celtic contact was made and it was a penalty, if Almunia was able to pull out of his sliding challenge then Rooney would look very stupid, but unfortunately for Arsenal fans he wasn’t able to.

      • Bobby says:

        That’s like saying “It’s only jaywalking if you get hit by a car”.

        • Kay J says:

          No it isn’t. Jaywalking has nothing to do with football and there is no need to bring in comparisons. Define ‘jaywalking’ and then define ‘diving’.

          I am talking about this instance with Rooney, sometimes players exaggerate and roll about several times, however in this instance you can only say Rooney dived if Almunia didn’t make contact. But Almunia clearly made contact with just the man and not the fall. It can’t be that hard to get, Almunia made no contact with the ball and only took out Rooney and in this instance it is a penalty.

          • Grant says:

            Rooney dived because Almunia’s contact with him wasn’t the reason he went to ground. If you look at the video from anything remotely resembling a neutral perspective, you have to conclude that there was no way Rooney would have landed on his feet if Almunia didn’t touch him. Furthermore, Rooney went into the 50-50 ball looking to draw a penalty, which is why he jumped and leaned forward in a way that was certain to cause him to go to ground, regardless of whether Almunia pulled out at the last second or not. That’s diving. Almunia’s contact is irrelevant, as it didn’t cause him to lose control of the ball (Rooney did that when he booted the ball into the stands when he won the ball), and it didn’t cause him to go to ground (by the time Almunia touches him Rooney is already past 45 degrees and throwing his arms out in front of him to catch his fall). Before he even hits the ground he’s turning around to call for a penalty (something Eduardo never did). Almunia makes contact, but not in a way that was reckless, and not in a way that caused Rooney to go down. Rooney dived. It’s really that simple. Rooney plays the game with a fire that I find admirable, and I would probably like him a lot more if he still played for Everton, but there is no denying that he’s a cheat, at least in this case.

          • hank says:

            Diving is a matter of intent, not a matter of results (which is part of why its so hard to judge impartially) – its a dive when the player *decides* to go to ground to get a foul.

  60. I’d like to reiterate my comments in the post (I’m bpfootball).

    Rooney was falling over, with or without the aid of Almunia’s contact.

    He’s just a lucky boy he DID touch Almunia, and I can’t believe pundits and others haven’t noticed that even on the slow replays. There are fantastic still GIFs around that show he was falling over = NO PENALTY.

    Did he intend to dive? Don’t think so. Was he falling over anyway? Yes.

  61. bigdavestar says:

    It certainly looked like there was no contact between the keeper and player but I don’t think he dived, not like Eduardo anyway.

  62. SSReporters says:

    So…..how about that Emanuel Eboue? That’s a real dive.

    With all that said I am still hesitant to call that a penalty.

    What’s done is done. Arsenal fluffed their chances and failed to go in for the kill when they had them on the ropes.

  63. GazzaJ87 says:

    its being reported that the fourth official and the ref for the game have been told to write a letter of apoligy to arsene wenger for the way the treated him with the sending off saying there was just no need with the time left and the incedent

  64. Anthony says:

    As I watched the replay without slow motion, it was easy to see that Rooney was already falling before Almunia touched him. In slow motion it’s even easier to see. There was no contact with anybody and he started to fall. Falling for no reason is diving. Because he happened to make contact WHILE falling has nothing to do with changing the beginning of the action. He fell with no provocation, Almunia hit him on the way down. He dove and he dove well.

    Of course, the penalty HAD to be given. Mike Dean saw the ball go one way, Almunia come running like an idiot, and Rooney on the ground. Penalty. Easy. No way he could be expected to make any other call without ever seeing a replay.

    The only difference between Eduardo’s fall and Rooney’s is Rooney was better at it and the Celtic goalie did a better job getting out of the way. Both players fell for no reason, anticipating contact. One actually did receive contact. The contact that did or did not come had no bearing on their intent or, therefore, the sportsmanlike quality of what they did. They couldn’t see the future and know if contact was made. They guessed. Eduardo guessed wrong and Rooney guessed right. Simple.

    Arsenal fans wouldn’t care so much if everyone didn’t paint one guy as the essence of all that is evil and the other as “a clever player, a real bulldog.” One was a better guesser than the other. That’s all. Both of them made terrible decisions and fully intended to get a cheap goal.

  65. Tomaso says:

    One thing I would like to clarify(since everyone seems to be arguing about it) is the disconnect between what the rules “literally” state and what is “actually” called by the referees. Although the rules state fairly clearly that fouls within the penalty area result in a penalty kick, the referees don’t call it that way. It is rare that a referee gives a p.k. when the offensive player has little to no chance of scoring. Rooney booted the ball over the endline and had NO CHANCE OF SCORING even if Almunia had not touched him. The referees generally do not give someone a goal/p.k. when they would not have scored otherwise. Therefore, Mike Dean did not HAVE to give Rooney a p.k. because that is not how refs call matches in the Premier League. Another good example is that the rules state that the ball must be DELIBERATELY handled in order for a hand ball penalty to be awarded. If a BLIND defender were to get hit in the arm with a ball and thus prevented it from crossing the goal line and into the net you can bet your as* that the ref will award a penalty kick even though a blind defender could not possibly DELIBERATELY handle a ball.

  66. Ken says:

    Well,Diaby made an expensive learning mistake.That’s the difference between Manu and arsenal.Arsenal,for all it’s good game,is still maturing procees,and it was bound to happen with the likes of manu or Chelsea.this is from an Arsenal fan.

  67. dlink09 says:

    he dived and it is a stupid rule. rooney had no chance of scoring..

  68. Grant says:

    As for video replay, there will never be a situation where non-factual issues will ever be reviewed while the game is going on. Never. It is not done in any American sports. Pass interference is never reviewed because it is not a factual issue, it is a judgement call. There will only ever be goal line situations reviewed in real time, nothing more.

  69. andre says:

    The only difference between rooney and eduardo is the reaction of the keepers. If almunia had been smart like boruc, rooney would have looked a right pillock. But regardless of contact the fact he was already throwing himself to the floor makes it a dive. And as a couple of people have already said its the way that rooney is praised for his “clever, evasive” actions that gets to me. Anybody who’s ever played football or even just walked knows, if something is in your path or someone’s sticking a leg out at you, taking “evasive” action involves jumping or EVADING the contact!!! Not diving straight into it! That’s called cheating.

  70. Hunter says:

    If the foul by Fletcher on Arshavin right before the goal wasn’t a pen then this surely wasn’t either. The Fletcher incident was plain as day and of course Dean didn’t call it as he never does at OT.

  71. shawn howard says:

    i’m shawn a man united fan i dont think that wayne rooney dove it was clear to everyone cos i was at old trafford to watch the match live so i dont think that wayne rooney dove so thanks

  72. trey says:

    NO.
    No time outs for the referee to go down to the sidelines and watch a replay under some black hood.
    Players make mistakes, so do referees. Eventually, it all balances out.
    You can have these interuptions in hockey and american football and basketball where there are constant stoppages of play.
    Not in sports like rugby or football.

    As for football being flawed next to the american rugby version, please dont start stupid threads. We could be hear picking flaws for days.

    NO TV REPLAYS DURING A GAME.

  73. Uarafool says:

    The ref was right, unless he had a slow motion camera with different angles built into his head! But the fact is Rooney knew Almuina was coming and played for the penalty he knocked the ball into a place he couldn’t possibly score so it wasn’t a goal scoring chance and the ball went off the pitch at pace so no chance of moving it on and scoring either. I feel a bit sorry for the ref here to him it looks like a pen sometimes this cheating is spotted sometimes not, especially not at Old Trafford, Anfield. Highbury/The Emirates and Stamford Bridge. I don’t know what he was thinking when Arsenal had a stone wall pen by a Fletcher mugging (a foul and hand ball in 1!) though. No doubt this will not go unnoticed by the other refs in the league and will get Rooney a bit of a reputation as a simulator (or cheat however u like it).He conned the ref but still its not the refs fault, basically he is just a better cheat than Eduardo!!!

  74. jaavidhth says:

    rooney can surely act he should try 4 harry potter

  75. El says:

    excellent analysis Shawn Howard…….

  76. TeflonFong says:

    it seems according to the comments as long as contact was made by the goalie it is automatically a penalty…hypothetically, for the sake of argument say that there is an angle that proves that the Celtic keeper slightly grazed with one finger Eduardo’s foot (not saying it did)- then does the slightest of touched equate to a penalty?

    I don’t think it is as cut and dry as contact=penalty and I know Almunia had definite contact, but the spirit of the penalty rules should be context of the contact- on corners keepers always shield off strikers and technically that is contact.

    And why is everybody disregarding the obvious penalty in the game that Arshavin was never rewarded because he scored 25sec later? This is the dumbest argument ever- like it is impossible to score 2 goals in quick succession and Arshavin’s psyche would have been totally different if he was rewarded a penalty and wouldn’t have kicked so hard- maybe he would have been more confident and struck again to get a proper goal- instead of RvP converting.

  77. hary says:

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  78. Ian B says:

    I’m not clear on the rules, but I always assumed that a player had to be able to get the ball. It would have been way ahead of Rooney by that point. Almunia definitley brought him down, but I doubt Rooney would have got the ball anyway.

    Still, at least theres a discussion here. Sky Sports barely mentioned it -Rooney is their golden child, it’s like hes free from criticism unless he does something really nasty.

  79. Gaz says:

    Yes. Yes, he did.

  80. JR says:

    Good god — what in the hell are you doing advocating replay? Replay and the attendant stoppage of play are the main reasons I’ve given up on the NFL. It’s so damn boring to wait around for a decision and it makes the referees passive spectators rather than be in charge of the game. Accept the fact that humans make mistakes and move on. The cult of “We must get every decision exactly right” is dooming the enjoyment of sport.

  81. Dave S says:

    Horrible first sentence. The reason it’s a problem is that because there are so few goals, cheating to get one comes with a high reward potential.

  82. mike n says:

    he would have been just as right sending off rooney. doing nothing would have also been just as fair to both players given the evidence now. Yes the ref was right to award the penalty, he made the decision based on what he could see in that split second. but now Rooney should be getting a ban, he had no intension of moving the ball into a playable position, he went for the penalty he started falling before the was a possibility of contact, he took the dive he got the penalty. now he should get a ban

  83. Bob Skillet says:

    Eduardo – yes there was contact, and for those who didn’t see any, you just watched the replays that don’t show it clearly -Sky backing up its pundits as usual. Was it a penalty, not really, the contact was not enough to warrant falling, unless you are Ronaldo.
    Rooney – yes there was contact, a yard after he had already decided he was his way down, like Eduardo, Shrek was going away from goal. Was it a penalty, no not really, not even from wear the Twat in Black was standing.

    One’s is Arsenal, a foreigner – one was an Englishman, playing for the biggest cheats in English football at a ground known to have perfected the art of faux spot kicks. So why the hypocracy, afterall, not exactly the first time Shrek has done this against the Gunners?

    Drive it out the game, fine, but don’t encourage European officials to censure yet another English club (Chelsea coming next) in an attempt to bolster the chances of Spanish and Italian clubs to reach the last four.

    I think it is time that people just got off their high horses and bury petty jealousy if they want to put the game right.

  84. Shrek says:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cmpozcslIA
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PM2sohlAv04

    He was more convincing this time – finally all the practice paid off

  85. lol says:

    u guys r sad the referee called it a penalty dats dat

  86. Ed says:

    It was not a penalty simply because there was no way for Rooney to control his ball before he joined the fans in the seats. Dean should not be allowed to ref any more Man U games period.

  87. SherZ says:

    Move on, I’m not a man u fan nor arsenal but playing away from the goal keeper is a noral reaction & if there is contact surely there will be a penalty. When you say rooney leaning forward are you sure he isnt getting ready to avoid almunia. Anyway if that 1 match is gonna save your season then you do not deserve to win the EPL. Like some non-walking alone team crying over some lost points last season. For man u to win the title isnt gonna be easy for 3 years running but then again its always because those smaller teams that struggle to become consistant that resulted in the domination. Move on arse-nals…

  88. SherZ says:

    & for the obstruction thingy, try that in the penalty box. It will only be an indirect free kick when it is outside your penalty box, before asking others to learn about manners ask yourselve about commonsense because its your niaveness that trigger others anger…

  89. jordan dean says:

    wayne rooney was on the way down and was lucky that almunia made contact. If more technology was brought in rooney would have been banned and then football would have been completely fucked up as alex ferguson would have influenced the FA to uphold the ban as it was player.
    Eduardo was only made an example because he is a foreigner, if the eduardo sitiuation didn’t happen rooney’s blatant dive would not have been made an example of because he is english.

  90. Rumy says:

    Ban Rooney from soccer because of this dive and put him back in boxing ring!

  91. KaE says:

    Rooney did dive. i agree with the author that rooney begins to fall forward before almunia make contact with him. but i do believe even though he din dive, that was suppose to be a penalty. if eduardo was banned for 2 games for diving, it should happen to rooney too coz he really intend too dive. 2 games exchange with a comback win against arsenal….it’s worth it.

  92. Gunz says:

    Rooney is a diver! Does it alot and gets away with it. Technically, a good player but has little respect for playing the game in a more fair manner. I’ve looked at alot of replays of penalties awarded for Wayne and they all look well dodgy.

  93. Come guys lets vote Rooney as a diver on this site. I am outraged, he dived against Aston Villa too..

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