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USA 2-0 HONDURAS: Santino’s Redemption

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Santino Quaranta has had a bumpy last several years. I’ll assume all our readers are familiar with his trials and travails so I won’t rehash them here. But tonight at his home stadium,  Quaranta achieved redemption with his first international goal in his first call up in over three years.

Honduras today fielded a bonafide “B” team with little resemblance to the European club heavy squad we will see later this year in qualifying. David Suazo, arguably CONCACAF’s best player was missing as was Wilson Palacios, the regions most expensive player.

But Honduras still does have talent, and while the US did not play them off the pitch, they certainly made them look less than adequate. Logan Pause and Kyle Beckerman both did an outstanding job of stopping the ball and stifling any linkup play between the young Honduran midfield and their experienced and outstanding striker duo.

The US was somewhat sloppy in the first half, but became stronger as the game wore on while Honduras looked completely incapable of mounting a serious challenge from about the 20th minute onward.

The difference in the match however could be attributed by some to the extra players the US was allowed to add in a late amendment of CONCACAF rules. Honduras with a “B” squad did not have the ability to bring a player like Wilson Palacios or Hendry Thomas off the bench, but the US thanks to a rule change had Benny Feilhaber available.

While any contribution the additional US players make has to be considered questionable, the US was the better side on the night and fully deserved the three points.

This game resembled in many ways the semifinal game of the 2005 Gold Cup when Honduras dominated much of the game but the US left it late scoring two goals to win 2-1. John O’Brien, a player the US still misses scored the first while Oguchi Onyewu scored the winner.


PLAYER RATINGS:

PERKINS 7

CHERUNDOLO 6

MARSHALL 6

PARKHURST 5

PEARCE 7

PAUSE 6

BECKERMAN 8

ROGERS 6

ADU 4

CHING 5

QUARANTA 7

FEILHABER 8

DAVIES 7

COPPER 6

FOX SOCCER CHANNEL ISSUES

On the plus side for FSC, which I have long been critical of are Max Bretos and Christopher Sullivan. It’s refreshing after months of ESPN inspired mindless banter during games to hear:

1- Some actual perspective on players without being overly critical or playing favorites. Harkes does this all the time. He also doesn’t have a great deal of tactical sense or simply doesn’t convey it on the air.

2- A real understanding of the opposition. For example in the June 6th game against Honduras, John Harkes never once mentioned that Honduras was without arguably CONCACAF’s best player, David Suazo and also other key players like “Rambo” Jose DeLeon. It was painfully obvious that Harkes simply knew about Amado Guevara thanks to MLS and was going off the stat sheet or production notes to analyze the rest of the team. The same for the Costa Rica match several days before. The USA plays in CONCACAF and ESPN has continued to use analysts whose knowledge of the region outside of MLS based players (they don’t even know a great deal about what most of  the US players are doing in Europe outside of the EPL)  and certain well publicized Mexican players is minimal.

But FSC also has production and camera issues which led me around minute 25 to turn the TV to Telefutura for good. For starters Telefutura is in HD, and a stunning HD at that compared to low-def FSC which looks like an Analog broadcast to be perfectly honest. A current MLS and longtime US MNT player tweeted last night on twitter said that ” Telefutura was making FSC look like a home video.” That is about right.

Even worse is that watching FSC you get the impression the US game is a stand alone event. A friendly in the middle of EPL “Classic” mania (interesting that the “classics” show begin in 2008 and end in 2009. The EPL has some genuine classics, I’d love to see again but none were from 2008 or 2009.), and perhaps an inconvenience to the network execs who program that channel.

About Kartik Krishnaiyer

A lifelong lover of soccer, the beautiful game, he served from January 2010 until May 2013 as the Director of Communications and Public Relations for the North American Soccer League (NASL). Raised on the Fort Lauderdale Strikers of the old NASL, Krishnaiyer previously hosted the American Soccer Show on the Champions Soccer Radio Network, the Major League Soccer Talk podcast and the EPL Talk Podcast. His soccer writing has been featured by several media outlets including The Guardian and The Telegraph. He is the author of the book Blue With Envy about Manchester City FC. View all posts by Kartik Krishnaiyer →

47 Responses to USA 2-0 HONDURAS: Santino’s Redemption

  1. quakesin2kNever says:

    1) GO SANTINO!!! (this from a lifelong quaranta hater)
    2) Everyone played good except Freddy Adu. Not good for Adu. He needs to switch clubs to a club that will play him asap.
    3) Robbie Rogers went to the ground too easily. I don’t know if he isn’t ready for the international game yet or if he just got excited seeing all the wussy Honduras players taking dives every few minutes and wanted to get in on the fun.
    4) Mad props to the fan who came dressed as Captain America.
    5) Feilhaber’s new nickname is “the Maestro.” That guy can thread passes through haystacks of players. So sick.
    6) Charlie Davies’ new nickname is either the black landon donovan or captain america. He is awesome on breakaways and applying pressure (unlike CONOR CASEY).
    7) Ching is so good in the air.
    8) I hate US stadium security. I saw them confiscating smoke makers after the first goal. That’s ridiculous. They werent’ even flares. Just white and red smoke. Come on. Why is our security such wusses.
    9) Kenny Cooper looked really good. Hopefully BB starts him in the next game against Haiti since we already got 2 W’s. BB needs to bench some of the starters anyways to save them for the break rounds.

  2. C Webb says:

    As someone who knows Santino well and has seen this personal transformation unfold right before my eyes, I can’t describe to you how thrilled I was for Santino bagging that goal.

    You can tell that he was welling up almost immediately and I did the same. You just can’t believe what a personal triumph he has now made. His whole world was in the toilet 18 months ago and he found the courage, strenght and dedication to pick himself up and piece his life back together.

    Anyone with a vested interest in Santino who wasn’t moved by what happened tonight simply doesn’t have a soul…

  3. redskinsux says:

    Really? Beckerman an “8″? What a joke. Krishnaiyer, how long have you been watching soccer?

    “the US was somewhat sloppy in the first half”

    Actually, the U.S. looked absolutely terrible; like a ‘JV’ team was playing .

    • Beckerman does a lot of things other central midfielders in the US player pool cannot. He traps and holds the ball well and doesn’t slide into tackles too high or with his arms flailing in desperation mode. He doesn’t fit the Bucket system Bradley uses but on most national teams he’d be a very useful player IMHO. I’m not alone in thinking Beckerman is more technically gifted and skillful than the other US holding/central mids. I’ve had this conversation with many an observer. Some do however think he’s a bit slow and his reaction time isn’t good tracking back.

      Part of the US “looking terrible” was the lack of time these guys have played together. Same for Honduras. Neither was an “A” team, and working in guys like Dolo and Ching with young guys isn’t as easy as it appears. Same for them. Carlo Costly is used to getting much better service than he got from the guys he was playing with today.

  4. peter osgood says:

    Thank Chirst Kartik that you watch the footballing backwater that is CONCACAF so the rest of us generally dont have to.

    What a complete waste of time this match was. One would think coming off the most scintilating three match run in US football history that any of the JV squad would be salivating at the chance to wear the kit with pride and get after any oppenet, force the tempo and savage the piece of shit opponent this region has on offer.

    Kartik, are you hankering for some alone time with Kyle? Only someone who wants send him off to dreamland with a smile on his face would applaud a typical MLS piece of ninth rate filth as Beckerman. He is so consistently ponderous enough on the ball to be insulting, against any self respecting oppenent he would have been stripped of possession all night long. Pause lacks anything resembling athleticsm, and only the meekest of opposition affords him the opportunity to not get destroyed in the midfield. Really his name says it all, doesnt it?

    Adu is embarrasing on every level. He never makes a forward run ever. Can’t be bothered. Nor can he beat anyone one on one and has unfortunely become to shy to attempt to do so. And in an advanced position as he was again deployed tonight its makes his inclusion pointless. Against any decent opponent he would have garnered a minus rating from any objective analyst.

    Bless Parkhurst and Marshall, if either had any explosion or quickness they might be half decent footballers.

    Cherundelo’s Steve Perry hair style really sums up a man who’s injuries and age should put him out to pasture.

    Ching’s attempt at goal – that must have been an own goal – was pathetic as is his footballing skill. So MLS.

    Kenny Cooper catches the eye in the miniscule minutes allowed at the end of a JV match which continues to boggle the mind considering his competition for target striker in the pool.

    Robbie Rogers again looked like a cut above this second rate fodder until his legs gave out second half. Why Mr Bradley would take Holden off after his terrific performance, and the exciting understanding that he and Rogers are quickly developing is beyond me. Especially for a terminally average MLS player like Quarantana. His goal was struck cleanly but was almost right at the keeper who was making a mess of that shot before it left SQ’s boot. The man has zero pace, 2 out of 8 touches find a home, same with Kartik’s lover Beckerman, why either would get any time in a match that offers a huge opportunity for younger players with potential national team futures is beyond me.

    And Pearce, good god. It’s incredibly painful watching him attempt to run flat out, it seemed the Hondurans winced in pain every time he opened up and attempted to run, pitying a man from an enormous nation with a terminal desire to put AYSO’ers on display at the international level.

    How many latin faces made it on the pitch tonight for the US? When you drive around your US city and you catch league or pick up matches of skilled players getting after it with flair and a sense of position and an easy flow to the game, what ethnic group generally makes up those matches?

    2OO9 looks a lot like the 195O’s in US footy. Good fucking night.

  5. quakesin2kNever says:

    “How many latin faces made it on the pitch tonight for the US? When you drive around your US city and you catch league or pick up matches of skilled players getting after it with flair and a sense of position and an easy flow to the game, what ethnic group generally makes up those matches?”

    That pretty much says it all right there. You racist scum.

  6. Jack(Vegas) says:

    Wow, as far as I know this is a free country still and if you really feel that way then go turn off the television and do something else because the bile spewing forth from your keyboard is not going to bring others to your viewpoint.

    It seems quite clear to me that Kyle Beckerman and Robbie Rogers would be an upgrade over Damarcus Beasley and Sacha Klejstan in their current form. Freddy Adu seems more than a step slower and did not look very good. He had a decent touch or two but didn’t look dangerous at all. Freddy needs to regain his confidence and the step or two that he seems to have lost. I may be wrong but Freddy also seems to play up or down to the competition.

  7. Jammer says:

    Benny is from Brazil and Santino has a Spanish name, but I’m not sure about their faces. Are there particular Latinos you think are being overlooked, or should the usmnt start rounding up mexicans playing pickup matches?

    Kartik is right that Beckerman was big all night. But peter has some things right. Robbie was on fire at the beginning but was not getting help from the strikers. Maybe he got tired, or Honduras keyed on that side, but when he and pearce stopped leading the charges in the late second half, there was nothing and I was just waiting for the subs. The announcer said the subs were timed right but I thought they were late. Bb wants to give players a chance but I don’t think he should let the offense flounder for that long.

    It was a strong first and last 20 minutes or so and Honduras was hardly able to get on offense so it’s a good win. I’m tired of watching adu and far more tired of hearing about him. How badly does he have to play before he gets dropped from the team?

  8. eplnfl says:

    The result was what was expected. Certainly not a classic game by either team. Two B teams facing off with predictable lackluster play. Expected a win for the Yanks and got it. Not sure player ratings matter in this one. We did what we had to. All to often the US fails to do that.

    Some of the above comments are a bit borderline. Fair comment is appreciated by all.

  9. Brian says:

    Its hard to watch last night’s match, or most of these group stage matches, with a critical eye focused on the team as a whole. We’ll see lots of experimentation in the lineups and combinations of players who have never played competitive matches together. The first halves will look sloppy, sloppy, sloppy. But you hope that sometime in the second halves there will be improved rhythm and communication. What we can take away from last night’s match though – Adu belongs in the midfield and needs more playing time; Benny is something of a super sub for the USMNT, Ching and Davies can work well together up front, and we might have a little more depth then we though, assuming Bradley takes advantage of it.

  10. snarky says:

    While I’m not sure I’d give Bekcerman an 8 I’ve been a bit impressed with his performance the last two games. Inferior competition or not he was good on the ball. rarely gave away possession,,made some very nice entry passes and had a pretty good work rate. Actually, my only complaint would be that his passes in the midfield seem to either be too soft or too choppy.

    I don’t think he will ever be a first choice on the USMNT, but based on his last two games I think he is moving toward being a solid reserve.

    Also, if the only concrete criticism you (peter osgood) can offer of his performance is what would have happened against a stronger team, then I’d say you are giving him at least a five whether you want to admit it or not.

    Freddy Adu was woeful. I don’t even think he deserved the four.

    Feilhaber really should be first choice on the USMNT, IMO. Another great performance by him.

    Cherundolo deserves the 6 but he scares me back there. I can see that 6 turning into a 3 in a heartbeat.

  11. Osgood makes a decent point about the Latin players. We really should have seen Marco Vidal in this tournament at central defense instead of Parkhurst who is of course playing for the injured Goodson. (I like Goodson, but Parkhurst has shown he has trouble adjusting to a 4 man backline and isn’t physical enough at this level). We also should be seeing Michael Orozco.

    Santino Quaranta, I have always been under the impression was of Italian lineage, not Latin, but I could be wrong.

    As far as Beckerman I concede he does not fit Bradley’s system. But he’s got the technical ability and tactical sense most American midfielders simply lack. He has to be in the picture going forward. He and Rogers are the “take aways” from this tournament thus far.

    If you want a good discussion of tactics and how Rogers fits in, listen to my appearance on Dave Denholm’s 710 ESPN show from the other day. The link is on a previous post.

  12. Berlin says:

    Before Feilhaber and Davies entered the game we looked good enough to lose. What a sublime lay off for Quaranta by Davies. Great ball movement on that play.

  13. Adam Edg says:

    Freddy Adu was overhyped from day 1. All he did in DC was complain about no playing time. Then when he got playing time, he did nothing useful. His stint in Salt Lake City was even worse.
    Sure he looked good in the U-20 WC two years ago, but has done nothing since. There is a reason Benefica did not play him. There is a reason Monaco did not play him and refused to pick him up for a second season. He is lazy and demonstrates a sense of entitlement.
    Perhaps making a huge deal of going pro at 14 created this monster. I mean, when they tell a kid in the early stages of puberty that he is better than most grown men in a profession, it probably goes to his head. All of the hype and media tours that surrounded his debut undoubtedly made him believe he really was the saviour of US soccer.
    I am not saying that he does not have talent. He does and we have seen that. He probably is better than most of the guys on the pitch last night. The problem is that he does not seem to care. He knows he is playing for a fairly good league and making guaranteed money. He knows that pretty much every fan in the US knows his name – including celebrities. He was forced to grow up too quickly and thrust into a pro career too young.
    The lack of playing time at a club is not an excuse for his poor USMNT play. Pearce is currently without a club, but he keeps showing up and putting in a decent performance. Freddy is young and has more innate talent than most; I am sick of his laziness. Step up or step off. Cut him, Bradley.

  14. kyle says:

    Jermain Jones> Beckerman
    Michael Bradley> Beckerman
    Maurice Edu> Beckerman
    Jose Torres> Beckerman

    What this gold cup has shown me is that the US team that played against Spain would beat the US team that played last night by 4 or 5 goals.

  15. Eric says:

    The US team that beat Spain would have only beaten Grenada 1-0 or 2-0. We’ve seen that story before against teams WORSE than Grenada.

    I think Beckerman was awesome and is a keeper. Rogers also, and it is good to see Pearce regaining some confidence.

    Adu is a disapointment. Ching despite scoring was pretty poor. Time to see what Conor Casey can do starting with Davies. One strong, tall target guy and a quick speedy one.

    Also, is Troy Perkins locking down the 3rd GK spot or what?

  16. Cavan says:

    Kartik, (and to that bile-spewer farther up) Quaranta was born and raised in Baltimore. He is of Italian descent but has lived his entire life in Baltimore, commuting to his job with DC United. I don’t know what that bile-spewer was getting at. Quaranta played through the US soccer system.

    If the bile-spewer was saying that we should have more players of latin-american descent on our national team because they’re clearly better than our current group, he doesn’t know what he’s talking about. US Soccer has been trying to find that supposed diamond son-of-immigrant player tearing up the local unaffiliated pick-up league for years. They came to the conclusion that those pools are no more fruitful than the existing system. In fact, they are often worse since those kids often become big fish in a small pond and their development gets stunted since they don’t get to play with other players of similar talent level.

    While Mr. bile-spewer might see pickup games from behind his windshield, he clearly has never actually watched or played in them. I have. I have also refereed those teams in adult leagues. They’re not really any different than anyone else, when it comes to effective soccer. Those games might look more free-flowing from behind your windshield but that’s because they’re pickup games. The context of a pickup game is competely different than a competitive game. Pickup games tend to involve lots of showboating and fooling around. Very different than a competitive game.

  17. kyle says:

    Beckerman is good for pointless games like the gold cup and the yearly game against the Sweeden D side. Other then that he should be nowhere near the national team.

  18. Ray says:

    Truthfully this US team is hitting its stride. Negative eurosnobs like Peter Osgood who don’t appreciate the fact that 99% of the US team has been developed in MLS and that this team is now capable of beating anyone in the world just hurt the cause.

    Look in Brazil they nit pick about their team. Same with Germany. But we are now on the level of those national teams capable of beating anyone, and easily the dominant team in CONCACAF. No one in this region can even play with us and I know Kartik loves to talk about other CONCACAF teams being good which is false and that somehow our wins have to be qualified.

    I listened to you and Denholm the other day and you guys make me want to puke.

    “we don’t get enough width and cannot rely solely on counter attacking” (Krishnaiyer) Who cares if we score? Seriously, who cares how you score if you score.

    “our players are reckless” (Krishnaiyer) All three of those red cards in South Africa were more about officials hating the US than anything else.

    ” We lack technique and guys who can trap the football” (Denholm) Obviously Denholm hasn’t watched our guys, all of whom are better technically than the Germans, the English, the Aussies and the Koreans. Most of our players are not latin and don’t have the latin flair you two jokers keep complaining about not having.

    ” Bob Bradley doesn’t see the same game we do” (Denholm) Well that’s because he’s a qualified experienced coach and you guys are just critical armchair pundits.

    I’m so happy you clowns don’t have a regular show anymore together. When you are separate from Denholm you make more sense. But when you guys are reunited you two are unbearable.

    This blog site, Match Fit USA which is still with CSRN, Ginge Talk Footy, the Third Half, etc are all over the top critical rags. Things are great now, and you guys keep searching for thing to nit pick.

    You’ve gotten better lately but still have to make stupid comments about Bradley and tactics when everything has gone well to this point. We’ve been winning on the road in CONCACAF and have held our own outside of CONCACAF. We are now undoubtedly among the top 6-8 national teams in the world and yet you criticize.

    Sacha Kljestan by the way Denholm and Krishnaiyer is three times the player Robbie Rogers is. He has much better technique and had the killer instinct to score goals, tracks back and breaks up plays. That’s why he plays not some Chivas bias of Bradley.

  19. Larry O says:

    Good result but still really boring, lets play this cup in a different country please. Even having it in Honduras would make it a lot more interesting or any of those small countries. Daniel F. mentioned this on the last podcast and I totally agree. The Gold Cup wouldn’t be so pointless if it were played outside the US once in a while.

  20. Angel says:

    Kartik,

    Beckerman 8: wow you must be smoking something good, please pass it over and let smoke some too. You must be blind he passing was really bad, He lost the ball too many time. Yeah he did some good thing but he is not ready for a A team. I would like to see Holden, Rogers, Marshall, Cooper and maybe Parkhurst. I like the chances cooper had in 10 min. I can see he know how to get open with opportunity to score. I can wait to see him in the A team against Mexico, Please call him up instead of Conner.

  21. Matt in MA says:

    Katrik,

    I’ve got to agree with most of the criticism about Beckerman. He didn’t do much against Honduras and wasn’t impressive against Grenada. I can’t see him fitting in anywhere on the USMNT, especially with his lack of athleticism and speed (and considering the athleticism and speed of all the other midfielders on that squad).

    To agree with you, Kenny Cooper needs some more opportunities. How has this guy not gotten a start? He’s big and fast and can shoot. What the hell is BB thinking? Cooper was more impressive in 10 mins than Ching was all game.

    BB is avoiding a lot of criticism because he did well in the Confed Cup, but he needs to give some of these guys a try. We don’t need to see any more from Charlie Davies or Benny Feilhaber. We know both of these guys are a cut above the rest of the squad.

  22. Berlin says:

    Almost forgot about Cooper. He looked really threatening in the short span he was in. Cooper’s problem is that he’s not one of the two types of forwards Bradley is comfortable shooting. Namely, he doesn’t have prodigious speed (Davies) and isn’t a true hold-up forward (Ching). Frankly, he isn’t even a combination of the two (Altidore). So what to do with a creative striker that can make space for himself and shoot from all angles? If you’re BB, it’s easy, bury him under the pool and fill it with cement.

  23. eplnfl says:

    Point of order gentlemen, Italian’s are considered Latins. I am one and am very happy to be considered a Latin.

  24. Rex says:

    True Ching wasnt on his best, but the services was subpar as well; i could have thrown better balls into the box. Despite this, he had a goal and played a ball that was critical to the other goal. Ching always does the little things well that we assume can be easily done by someone else, but yet no one else seems to be able to do it.
    For my money Glenn Davis is the best color-man in the US. He knows MLS and concacaf like the back of his hand; the players, the teams, the history.

  25. Marc says:

    Kartik,
    Just wanted to chime in on a few things.
    First, love the podcast. We need more info and talk about soccer in this country and you do an excellent job.

    Secondly, I am really sick of people saying that those red cards in the Confed. cup were harsh. Three reckless tackles, either above the knee or studs up. Bradley pulls a challenge like that one once a game and is so lucky he hasn’t been thrown out more than he has (which is a lot). We need to show more restraint and patience defending for sure. That tackle last night from Pierce I think, that could easily have been a red. Back turned and he slides in from behind??? Why??

    Third, I agree with a previous poster about Ching. He gets extremely lucky with his goals. It looked like the one last night came off the defenders head??? Secondly, he will never take a defender on andhis touch is not that good. I agree Cooper and Casey need to start a game, each with Davies.

    Fourth, Davies needs to start every damn game he is involved with. He gives the US something they havent had in so long. He can strike fear in other teams. His speed and ability/willingness to go at defenders is so important to this team. With him and Donvan on the field at the same time teams will need to stay honest.

    Lastly, the Gold Cup has shown us that the US has some good depth at most positions, which we havent had, especially in the midfield. The list is long with names like Donovan, Dempsey, Feilhaber, Bradley, Torres, Rogers, Quaranta, Dreadlock boy, Adu, Holden, Edu, perhaps Jones.
    Up front we need to find a pair that fits. Someone needs to pair with Davies. Hopefully that can be done soon so that the front line will be a well oiled machine for 2010.

    Keep up the good work.

    Marc

  26. Rex says:

    “Third, I agree with a previous poster about Ching. He gets extremely lucky with his goals. ”
    I love it. Ching has been scoring ‘lucky’ goals for years now for the national team and the MLS dominant side the Dynamo. Some people say its better to be lucky than good and Ching is CONSISTENTLY lucky and in my book that’s much better than good.

  27. Joey Clams says:

    Kartik and Jammer:

    Santino is indeed of Italian descent.

    Santino Quaranta? Come on, now, huh?

  28. Matt in MA says:

    I don’t mean to get on the anti-BB rant train again, but don’t you all think it’s a sign of a bad coach that he only plays certain types of players? The fact that Kenny Cooper gets no burn it’s ridiculous.

    Also, Ching does nothing for me. Yeah, ok, he scored a goal. Where was he the other 80 mins he played? Good players make a consistent impact on the game. Ching doesn’t do that.

  29. quakesin2knever says:

    Reply to Marc and Rex re: Brian Ching

    I agree with Rex. Ching’s been scoring goals like that for years. They aren’t “lucky.” He is good. And he actually has a great touch. You just assume he has a bad touch because he’s tall. If u watch him play he actually has a great touch.

  30. bertpatenaude says:

    feilhaber is our best central mid. it’s time to give him the car keys.

  31. Football tactician says:

    Hey Peter Osgood, you son of a bitch. It’s because of people like you, that I wish that all Latin players in the usa would play for the country of their heritage, and not the usa. Why should these superior footballers bust their asses for a piece of shit like you? It angers me to see the great Latin players play hard to make lilly white folks like you happy. I wish they’d come to their senses one of these days and ditch the usmnt and it’s p.o.s. fanbase.

    You don’t realize how lucky you are. Imagine if the IOC, etc. required that teams be dictated along ethnic lines. Instead of team usa, it’s be team black america, white america, latin-america, etc. Hahaha, can you imagine the number of gold medals and championships your white american team would have now? Hahahaha. 0. Michael Phelps, that’s it. No Dream Team, Redeem Team, Jesse Owens, Carl Lewis, Evander Holyfield, Oscar De La hoya, Muhammed Ali, etc . And your white team would not have won the 2007 Gold Cup, I’ll tell you that. Hell, they’d probably never even see a World Cup. You would have nothing.

    Unfortunately, a white piece of junk like you gets to enjoy the fruits of dark-skinned people’s labors. A damn shame.

  32. eplnfl says:

    Hey tactician, go back to school. Way out of line. Time to clean up your act.
    I’m not happy with what Osgoood said either, but a proper response should be made. Yea, he wrote some inappropriate stuff, but make your points better and more people will agree with you.

  33. peter osgood says:

    tactician, do you realize you agreed with my post?

    I guess not.

    Bush’s America reaped a heavy toll on the clammering masses.

  34. park bolivar says:

    osgood:
    You know, the back and forth between soccer being a ‘immigrant sport’ vs. a ‘respectable middle-class American sport’ has been going on for years. And, you’re probably right in that our Gold Cup squad is too heavily tilted towards the suburban/northeastern liberal arts school/Bradenton end of our soccer-playing population.
    I often describe the talent pool as three-part, part 1 is suburban and college soccer (mainly white), part 2 is made of Mexican and Central American immigrants’ kids (in the Southwestern US), and part 3 is made of African and Carribean immigrants’ kids (in the Northeastern US).

    Part 2 is shamefully missing, in both our A and B squads. (save Charlie Blackmouth and Joey Francis Towers). Mastroeni is an Italian-Argentine.

    Having said that, I wonder if there’s a preference for players from African or Caribbean backgrounds over Latinos, for example:
    Adu: Ghana
    Altidore: Haiti
    Davies: Gambia

  35. park bolivar says:

    Also, I find it funny that Quaranta, who is of Italian background is not considered Latin. I mean, where’d Latin come from?

  36. park bolivar says:

    Did anybody just see what Javier Aguirre just did? Oh my God, this is nuts.

  37. kyle says:

    Football tactician that is racist on so many levels.

  38. Tony says:

    Panama were robbed! How can the whole Mexican bench not get red carded for that????? And Panama loses a field guy who was assaulted by the Mexican bench. Typical CONCACAF.

  39. Football tactician says:

    kyle: Yes, what Osgood said was indeed racist.

    Ugh, what a shame that the usa has so many players of so many backgrounds to choose from. If only Mexico didn’t lose that war…

  40. Joey Clams says:

    Osgood, are you out of your mind? Bush was as pro-Hispanic as a president could be.

  41. park bolivar says:

    Panama were absolutely robbed. Mexico was looking much much stronger through the whole of that second half, and would have likely scored (despite Panama’s desperate, heroic defense). Why oh why did Javier Aguirre do that? Why did he think he could get away with it?

  42. Geez says:

    People, let’s be reasonable. The US in its current form has accomplished many things, by utilizing both the suburban talents (Donovan) and by integrating other ethnic groups (Tab Ramos, Preki, Reyna, etc.). However, I think what many are missing is what we lacked to finish off Brazil. Possession, pointless, don’t let Brazil have the ball for 45 + minutes possession. That ability to hold onto the ball, string passes together, not just counter attack with speed, and take away the momentum is something we need. To do this, we need what the hispanic player can bring, comfort and flair. We will also score more goals and have more chances against the worlds best defenses.

    And until we incorporate Torres and others who can give us that, it doesn’t matter how many times we score. At some point, tackles are not enough.

    Oh, yes, and Beckerman. I’ve never thought he was a bad player, but he isn’t any better at passing balls in a non lateral fashion than Clark or Mastroeni. We need midfielders who can slice a ball forward, to connect with our players, or we won’t even be able to counter. We need someone like Feilhaber or Torres to spring the counter attack, or just keep the damn ball.

  43. peter osgood says:

    park bolivar, great points all. You broke down the conundrum extremely well, until the US has more people in power like Cabrera of the U17′s then clearly things arent going to become more inclusive of the complete talent pool in this country – or available to this country.

    It is INCREDIBLY frustrating that so many good folks who understand the game and can pinpoint the lack of inclusion of talented kids from all ethinci backgrounds and yet there is consistently a US Soccer hierharchy that doesnt acknowledge it, that doesnt know how to change the inefficienies in the system etc.

    the USSF top 64 club system that kicked into gear several years ago was clearly the largest step forward ever in youth futbol in this country and I am optimistic more talented hispanic kids will find their way into all levels of US Soccer because of it.

  44. Problem Peter Osgood with the USSF Development Academy is that they have ZERO teams from Arizona or New Mexico participating. Yes, zero. Here in South Florida they have the Schutlz Academy which tends to be very suburban white middle class and Miami FC’s U-17 which is more latino. Next year we get Weston into the USSF Development Academy among the 15 new teams which push it to 79. Also the Houston Dynamo U-17s which have lots of latino kids will be joining. But the problem of Arizona and New Mexico means the future Luis Robles or Edgar Castillo’s fall away.

  45. peter osgood says:

    great points Kartik which we hope tactician is reading and now properly understanding that I have been challenging US Soccer on it’s lack of inclusion of talented Latino players not applauding it.

  46. eplnfl says:

    I was able to watch the Honduras again on this afternoon. From the perspective of not being caught up in the excitement of the game you see things differently: A few observation:

    Freddy Adu sits on the bench because he only knows his own number, did anyone see him look for a pass once he had the ball? I did not.

    Bradley who is often a subject of blame for a lack of tactical moves did a excellent job turning the game with his substitutions in the 70th minute.

    Quaranta, could be the player who we are still looking for to add the scoring punch off the bench for the WC, he works well with his teammates in moving the ball to the open man and drives home his chances.

    Davies has even better talent then we think he does. The man is all over the field, and more important then his speed and his energy is the chances he creates by his play for other players.

    Feilhaber and Ching continue to impress all with their hard work and team approach to the game.

    Far from just a “B” team we are seeing another building block for the 2010 WC effort.

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